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  71. # [17:25] <MikeSmith> issue-192?
  72. # [17:25] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-192
  73. # [17:25] <trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match reality -- open
  74. # [17:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
  75. # [17:31] <MikeSmith> issue-193?
  76. # [17:31] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-193
  77. # [17:31] <trackbot> ISSUE-193 -- Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible content -- open
  78. # [17:31] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/193
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  80. # [17:47] <MikeSmith> issue-202?
  81. # [17:47] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-202
  82. # [17:47] <trackbot> ISSUE-202 -- Missing alt should not be considered conforming in the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in length -- raised
  83. # [17:47] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/202
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  98. # [18:07] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  99. # [18:07] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  100. # [18:07] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  101. # [18:07] <trackbot> Date: 09 February 2012
  102. # [18:07] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  103. # [18:08] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  104. # [18:08] <adrianba> Chair: Sam Ruby
  105. # [18:08] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0013.html
  106. # [18:08] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  107. # [18:08] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  108. # [18:09] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  109. # [18:09] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
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  111. # [18:09] <krisk> zakim, [Microsoft] is krisk
  112. # [18:09] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
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  118. # [18:10] <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
  119. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Julian; got it
  120. # [18:10] <Julian> Zakim, mute me
  121. # [18:10] <Zakim> Julian should now be muted
  122. # [18:10] <Zakim> +??P31
  123. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  124. # [18:10] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  125. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Mike
  126. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  127. # [18:10] <janina> zakim, ??P31 is Janina_Sajka
  128. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
  129. # [18:10] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  130. # [18:10] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
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  132. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  133. # [18:10] <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aabb is me
  134. # [18:10] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
  135. # [18:11] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, February 9
  136. # [18:11] <adrianba> ACTION-207?
  137. # [18:11] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-207
  138. # [18:11] <trackbot> ACTION-207 -- Paul Cotton to confirm that change proposal for av_param is still active -- due 2012-02-07 -- OPEN
  139. # [18:11] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/207
  140. # [18:11] <adrianba> paulc: i think we can close this action item - intent was to double check that proposal was still operative
  141. # [18:12] <adrianba> ... chairs are working with WG and Web & TV IG and the chairs will decide when to push to the next step
  142. # [18:12] <adrianba> ... i will register this in the action item
  143. # [18:12] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
  144. # [18:12] <adrianba> rubys: none
  145. # [18:12] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closed Last Week
  146. # [18:12] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  147. # [18:12] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  148. # [18:12] <adrianba> rubys: none
  149. # [18:12] <Zakim> +Plh
  150. # [18:12] <plh> zakim, drop plh
  151. # [18:12] <Zakim> Plh is being disconnected
  152. # [18:12] <Zakim> -Plh
  153. # [18:13] * adrianba notes plh is unavailable
  154. # [18:13] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
  155. # [18:13] <adrianba> rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due Feb 11, have none
  156. # [18:13] <Zakim> +Philippe
  157. # [18:13] <adrianba> ISSUE-172?
  158. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-172
  159. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- open
  160. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
  161. # [18:13] <adrianba> rubys: Change Proposals due Feb 11, have one
  162. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-131?
  163. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  164. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  165. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  166. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-183?
  167. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-183
  168. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
  169. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
  170. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-184?
  171. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-184
  172. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
  173. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
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  175. # [18:14] <adrianba> rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due Feb 11, have one:
  176. # [18:14] <adrianba> ISSUE-179?
  177. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-179
  178. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or equivalent) -- open
  179. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
  180. # [18:14] <adrianba> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
  181. # [18:14] <adrianba> rubys: Change Proposals due Feb 15, have one
  182. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-193?
  183. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-193
  184. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-193 -- Remove CSS example that promotes inaccessible content -- open
  185. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/193
  186. # [18:15] <adrianba> rubys: Change Proposals due Feb 15, have none
  187. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-194?
  188. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-194
  189. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- raised
  190. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
  191. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-195?
  192. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-195
  193. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-195 -- Enhance http request generation from forms -- raised
  194. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195
  195. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-196?
  196. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-196
  197. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-196 -- Define user agent http response handling behaviour -- raised
  198. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/196
  199. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-197?
  200. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-197
  201. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-197 -- Accept attribute should allow file extensions in addition to the current allowed values -- raised
  202. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/197
  203. # [18:15] <adrianba> rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due Feb 15, have none
  204. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-182?
  205. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-182
  206. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes inaccessible content -- open
  207. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
  208. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-188?
  209. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-188
  210. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a way agnostic of the specific caption format -- open
  211. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/188
  212. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-189?
  213. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-189
  214. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
  215. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
  216. # [18:15] <adrianba> rubys: Alternate or Counter Proposals due Feb 15, have one
  217. # [18:15] <adrianba> ISSUE-185?
  218. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-185
  219. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
  220. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
  221. # [18:15] <adrianba> rubys: Change Proposals due Feb 15, have none
  222. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-198?
  223. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-198
  224. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-198 -- Ensure innerHTML and related APIs are subject to the W3C patent policy -- raised
  225. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/198
  226. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-199?
  227. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-199
  228. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- raised
  229. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
  230. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-200?
  231. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-200
  232. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- raised
  233. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
  234. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-201?
  235. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  236. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- raised
  237. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
  238. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-202?
  239. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-202
  240. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-202 -- Missing alt should not be considered conforming in the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in length -- raised
  241. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/202
  242. # [18:16] <adrianba> rubys: Change Proposals due Feb 16, have none
  243. # [18:16] <adrianba> ISSUE-203?
  244. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-203
  245. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- raised
  246. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
  247. # [18:16] <adrianba> rubys: important that we get CP for these issues - if we don't get proposals the issues will be deferred to html.next
  248. # [18:17] <adrianba> janina: a11y tf thinks issue 203 should be considered after issue 30
  249. # [18:17] <adrianba> ... since one depends on the other
  250. # [18:18] <adrianba> ... you need both an alt text and a longdesc for the media element - this is separate from the poster that it may have
  251. # [18:18] <adrianba> ... we in good shape on the alt but not on the longdesc because we don't yet know which mechanism we will end up with for that
  252. # [18:18] <adrianba> rubys: are you suggesting the deadline moved after?
  253. # [18:18] <adrianba> janina: yes, to start after the longdesc question is resolved
  254. # [18:19] <adrianba> paulc: are you asking that we don't process 203 before 30 or that we delay calling change proposals
  255. # [18:19] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jan/0098.html
  256. # [18:19] <adrianba> janina: delaying change proposals call because the only thing that could be proposed is used longdesc or described by that we're talking about in 30
  257. # [18:19] <adrianba> ... CP will be to apply that mechanism to the video tag
  258. # [18:20] <adrianba> paulc: could you write the CP saying using the solution from issue 30
  259. # [18:20] <adrianba> ... then all we have to make sure we don't come to a decision on 203 before 30
  260. # [18:20] <adrianba> rubys: before the deadline?
  261. # [18:20] <adrianba> janina: yes
  262. # [18:21] <adrianba> ... if that kind of conditional proposal is acceptable then this is reasonable
  263. # [18:21] <adrianba> paulc: suggest that you get this into the CP and ask for explicit permission from chairs
  264. # [18:21] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Calls this week
  265. # [18:21] <adrianba> rubys: none
  266. # [18:21] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Surveys this week
  267. # [18:21] <adrianba> rubys: none
  268. # [18:21] <adrianba> TOPIC: Decisions this week
  269. # [18:22] <adrianba> ISSUE-177?
  270. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-177
  271. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-177 -- References to Internet-Drafts should be given as "Work in Progress" per RFC 2026. -- open
  272. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/177
  273. # [18:22] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0065.html
  274. # [18:22] <adrianba> rubys: published decision, editor has applied the change
  275. # [18:22] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Testing Task Force
  276. # [18:22] <adrianba> krisk: met as planned last week 31 jan
  277. # [18:22] <krisk> Meeting Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Feb/0000.html
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  279. # [18:23] <adrianba> krisk: no new bugs, some new tests from Ms2ger
  280. # [18:23] <adrianba> ... some discussion about the a11y and aria mapping testing and kris will follow-up with cynthia and a11y tf
  281. # [18:23] <adrianba> TOPIC: Task Force Reports - Accessibility Task Force
  282. # [18:24] <adrianba> janina: very busy, number of change proposals coming is large
  283. # [18:24] <adrianba> ... we have a reconsideration request on meta generator
  284. # [18:24] * Julian 10 fingers are sufficient to count to 1023, no?
  285. # [18:24] <adrianba> ... task force decision on that now
  286. # [18:26] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other business
  287. # [18:26] <adrianba> rubys: review of issue 30 proposal
  288. # [18:27] <adrianba> ... mjs posted review
  289. # [18:27] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0058.html
  290. # [18:27] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0064.html
  291. # [18:27] <adrianba> rubys: next up is split issue 30
  292. # [18:28] <adrianba> rubys: discussion started on the mailing list
  293. # [18:28] <adrianba> ... if there are two parts disagreement about whichto do first
  294. # [18:28] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0067.html
  295. # [18:28] <adrianba> rubys: discussions ongoing
  296. # [18:28] <adrianba> janina: is there agreement on what the 2 parts are?
  297. # [18:29] <adrianba> rubys: i think so
  298. # [18:29] <adrianba> ... my understanding is the aria question is split out from whether longdesc is deprecated
  299. # [18:29] <adrianba> ... active discussion, lots of emails in last 24/48 hours
  300. # [18:29] <adrianba> rubys: Revert request for r6895
  301. # [18:30] <adrianba> ... this has been applied
  302. # [18:30] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0066.html
  303. # [18:30] <adrianba> rubys: Saturday is the deadline for change proposals for New Information
  304. # [18:30] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0082.html
  305. # [18:31] <adrianba> rubys: this post describes exactly what is needed
  306. # [18:31] <adrianba> rubys: April face-to-face meetings for HTML and WebApps
  307. # [18:31] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0057.html
  308. # [18:31] <adrianba> plh: in order to help wg make progress, a f2f would be good
  309. # [18:31] <adrianba> ... especially in april for html wg
  310. # [18:32] <adrianba> ... now question is dates with conferences we don't want to overlap with
  311. # [18:32] <adrianba> ... ended up with second week in april
  312. # [18:32] <adrianba> ... we are aware that this is easter monday so some people will have to travel on that day, also end of passover
  313. # [18:32] <adrianba> ... unfortunate but unless more objections will continue since only alternative is may
  314. # [18:33] <adrianba> ... which doesn't work for html wg timeline
  315. # [18:33] <adrianba> ... don't yet have a host - looking for a host
  316. # [18:33] <adrianba> ... want to block dates next week and confirm meeting as soon after that as possible
  317. # [18:33] <adrianba> rubys: Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2012-01-23 - 2012-01-29
  318. # [18:33] <adrianba> http://www.w3.org/QA/2012/01/openweb-weekly-26.html
  319. # [18:34] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
  320. # [18:34] <adrianba> rubys: any volunteers?
  321. # [18:35] <adrianba> paulc: my turn to chair next week
  322. # [18:35] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
  323. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Sam
  324. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Mike
  325. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
  326. # [18:35] <adrianba> rubys: thanks everybody
  327. # [18:35] <Zakim> -krisk
  328. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Philippe
  329. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Julian
  330. # [18:35] * Parts: janina (janina@98.233.46.141)
  331. # [18:35] <Zakim> -adrianba
  332. # [18:35] <adrianba> zakim, bye
  333. # [18:35] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were Sam, adrianba, krisk, Cynthia_Shelly, Julian, Mike, Janina_Sajka, paulc, Radhika_Roy, mjs, Plh, Philippe
  334. # [18:35] * Parts: Zakim (rrs-bridgg@128.30.52.169)
  335. # [18:35] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  336. # [18:35] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/09-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  337. # [18:35] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  338. # [18:35] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
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