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  135. # [17:51] <glenn> trackbot, start meeting
  136. # [17:51] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  137. # [17:51] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  138. # [17:51] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  140. # [17:51] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  141. # [17:51] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
  142. # [17:51] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  143. # [17:51] <trackbot> Date: 31 May 2012
  144. # [17:52] <glenn> Scribe: glenn
  145. # [17:52] <glenn> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012AprJun/0024.html
  146. # [17:53] <Yang> hi, I am from Huawei, my name is Sun Yang,first to the CC, nice to meet you all, :)
  147. # [17:54] <glenn> 欢迎 yang, we will be starting in about 15 mins, when the chair joins
  148. # [17:56] <Yang> thanks a lot ,how you type "欢迎"？and the sip phone promote to input the number, is the tel number or conference code?
  149. # [17:57] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  150. # [17:57] <Zakim> +??P1
  151. # [17:57] <Yang> ok, I am in....
  152. # [17:57] <glenn> zakim, ??p1 is yang
  153. # [17:57] <Zakim> +yang; got it
  154. # [17:58] <Yang> why appear ??p1? I have used english name in Ekiga....
  155. # [17:58] <Zakim> +??P3
  156. # [17:59] <Yang> It seems no body there
  157. # [17:59] <glenn> zakim, ??p3 is me
  158. # [17:59] <Zakim> +glenn; got it
  159. # [18:00] <glenn> you asked how i typed 欢迎, i said i used an IME on my Mac
  160. # [18:01] <Yang> smart
  161. # [18:01] <glenn> 我可以写汉字
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  163. # [18:01] <Yang> how you do that? you must know how to pronouce it
  164. # [18:02] <Yang> 这么厉害，佩服佩服
  165. # [18:02] <glenn> 我也会说汉语
  166. # [18:02] <Yang> which company are you from?
  167. # [18:02] <glenn> i represent Cox Communications in this WG
  168. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Aaron
  169. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[GVoice]
  170. # [18:04] <Yang> nice to meet you glenn, expressive, chinese seems not so difficult to learn
  171. # [18:04] <ddorwin_> zakim, [GVoice] is David_Dorwin
  172. # [18:04] <Zakim> +David_Dorwin; got it
  173. # [18:04] <jaymunro> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  174. # [18:04] <Zakim> sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft.a]'
  175. # [18:06] <Yang> there is no screen sharing here, right?
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  177. # [18:06] <glenn> 我8年的中文研究, correct, no screen sharing
  178. # [18:06] <Yang> why you study chinese? for fun?
  179. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  180. # [18:06] <glenn> long story ;)
  181. # [18:07] <Yang> it seems not so many people here...
  182. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  183. # [18:07] <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
  184. # [18:07] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  185. # [18:08] <jaymunro> Zakim, microsoft is me
  186. # [18:08] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
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  188. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  189. # [18:09] <glenn> Chair: paulc
  190. # [18:09] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  191. # [18:09] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  192. # [18:09] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  193. # [18:09] <Zakim> On the phone I see yang, glenn, Aaron, David_Dorwin, jaymunro, [Apple], [Microsoft]
  194. # [18:09] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  195. # [18:09] <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
  196. # [18:10] <Yang> right, Yang from Huawei
  197. # [18:10] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  198. # [18:10] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  199. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Mike
  200. # [18:10] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012AprJun/0024.html
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  202. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +1.425.614.aaaa
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  204. # [18:12] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  205. # [18:12] <Zakim> On the phone I see yang, glenn, Aaron, David_Dorwin, jaymunro, [Apple], [Microsoft], Mike, +1.425.614.aaaa
  206. # [18:12] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  207. # [18:12] <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
  208. # [18:13] <Zakim> +??P14
  209. # [18:13] <janina> zakim, ??P14 is Janina
  210. # [18:13] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
  211. # [18:13] <glenn> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, May 31
  212. # [18:13] <glenn> ACTION-211?
  213. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-211
  214. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-211 -- Sam Ruby to ted O'Connor to write up a video-transcript IDref proposal for ISSUE-194 by Fri May 11 -- due 2012-05-26 -- OPEN
  215. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/211
  216. # [18:13] <glenn> ACTION-211: Ted O'Connor to write up a video-transcript IDref proposal for ISSUE-194 by Fri May 11 [Sam Ruby]
  217. # [18:13] * trackbot attempting to add comment notes to ACTION-211.
  218. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-211 Ted O'Connor to write up a video-transcript IDref proposal for ISSUE-194 by Fri May 11 notes added
  219. # [18:13] <glenn> paulc: done
  220. # [18:13] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012May/0158.html
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  222. # [18:14] <glenn> ... this ISSUE-194 was discussed at F2F, just sent email on this
  223. # [18:14] <glenn> ... asks ted to respond
  224. # [18:14] <paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-194
  225. # [18:14] <glenn> ... there are two CPs listed
  226. # [18:15] <glenn> ... Zero CP, then transcript attribute proposal
  227. # [18:15] <glenn> believes latter will be withdrawn
  228. # [18:15] <glenn> ACTION-213?
  229. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-213
  230. # [18:15] <trackbot> ACTION-213 -- Sam Ruby to get JF to deliver a revised ISSUE-194 change proposal by next friday -- due 2012-05-31 -- OPEN
  231. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/213
  232. # [18:15] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ISSUE-194/TranscriptElement
  233. # [18:15] <glenn> ... a11y is working on new proposal, coming out of F2F
  234. # [18:16] <glenn> ... believes both 211 and 213 are done
  235. # [18:16] <glenn> ... requests ted to respond
  236. # [18:16] <glenn> ... draws people's attention to ...
  237. # [18:16] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ISSUE-194/TranscriptElement#Obsoletes_the_following_Change_Proposals:
  238. # [18:16] <glenn> ... above link
  239. # [18:16] <glenn> ... obsoletes older proposal
  240. # [18:17] <glenn> close ACTION-211
  241. # [18:17] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-211.
  242. # [18:17] <trackbot> ACTION-211 Ted O'Connor to write up a video-transcript IDref proposal for ISSUE-194 by Fri May 11 closed
  243. # [18:17] <glenn> close ACTION-213
  244. # [18:17] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-213.
  245. # [18:17] <trackbot> ACTION-213 Get JF to deliver a revised ISSUE-194 change proposal by next friday closed
  246. # [18:17] <glenn> janina: not fully settled on current draft, put out CfC on tuesday, objections from one person, thinks can address, work in process
  247. # [18:17] <glenn> ... will wait for objection to be addressed
  248. # [18:18] <glenn> paulc: will need to figure out how to carry ISSUE-194 forward
  249. # [18:18] <glenn> ACTION-218?
  250. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-218
  251. # [18:18] <trackbot> ACTION-218 -- Paul Cotton to determine day and time for a weekly Media teleconference -- due 2012-05-22 -- OPEN
  252. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/218
  253. # [18:18] <glenn> ACTION-218: Determine day and time for a weekly Media teleconference[Paul Cotton]
  254. # [18:18] * trackbot attempting to add comment notes to ACTION-218.
  255. # [18:18] <trackbot> ACTION-218 Determine day and time for a weekly Media teleconference notes added
  256. # [18:18] <paulc> Done. See: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012May/0162.html
  257. # [18:19] <Yang> the media meeting is for media element relative dicussion?
  258. # [18:19] <glenn> paulc: done, and sent out message; 1100AM Eastern Time, starts 12JUNE
  259. # [18:19] <glenn> ... will work with editors to build agenda; paul and mike working on infra support
  260. # [18:19] <glenn> ... thanks mike for heavy lifting
  261. # [18:20] <glenn> close ACTION-218
  262. # [18:20] * trackbot attempting to close ACTION-218.
  263. # [18:20] <trackbot> ACTION-218 Determine day and time for a weekly Media teleconference closed
  264. # [18:20] <glenn> ... questions?
  265. # [18:20] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  266. # [18:20] <glenn> ... survey is now public
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  268. # [18:21] <paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012May/0162.html for references to proposals and outstanding bugs
  269. # [18:21] <glenn> yang: asked for info on purpose of media sub-group
  270. # [18:22] <glenn> paulc: refers to link cited above
  271. # [18:22] <Zakim> +??P19
  272. # [18:22] <Clarke> zakim, ??P19 is me
  273. # [18:22] <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
  274. # [18:22] <glenn> ACTION-212?
  275. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-212
  276. # [18:22] <trackbot> ACTION-212 -- Michael[tm] Smith to draft revised HTML WG charter for May 31 -- due 2012-05-31 -- OPEN
  277. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/212
  278. # [18:22] <glenn> ACTION-212: Draft revised HTML WG charter for May 31 [Michael[tm] Smith]
  279. # [18:22] * trackbot attempting to add comment notes to ACTION-212.
  280. # [18:22] <trackbot> ACTION-212 Draft revised HTML WG charter for May 31 notes added
  281. # [18:23] <glenn> mike: needs to review minutes of F2F
  282. # [18:23] <glenn> ... doesn't plan to share draft until plh looks at it, but plh won't return for another week
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  284. # [18:24] <glenn> ACTION-212: due 2012-06-14
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  286. # [18:24] <trackbot> ACTION-212 Draft revised HTML WG charter for May 31 notes added
  287. # [18:24] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  288. # [18:24] <eliot> zakim, Microsoft.a has me
  289. # [18:24] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  290. # [18:24] <Zakim> + +1.858.677.aabb
  291. # [18:25] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012May/0160.html
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  293. # [18:25] <glenn> ACTION-216?
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  295. # [18:25] <trackbot> ACTION-216 -- Michael Cooper to update ISSUE-199 proposal based on Ted's -- due 2012-05-31 -- OPEN
  296. # [18:25] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/216
  297. # [18:25] <glenn> ACTION-216: Update ISSUE-199 proposal based on Ted's [Michael Cooper]
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  299. # [18:25] <trackbot> ACTION-216 Update ISSUE-199 proposal based on Ted's notes added
  300. # [18:26] <glenn> paulc: ted, can you review michael cooper's proposal?
  301. # [18:26] <glenn> ted: will attempt to make time
  302. # [18:26] <glenn> janina: thought we could get down to one proposal
  303. # [18:26] <glenn> ted: needs to review to see if there is any area of disagreement
  304. # [18:27] <glenn> paulc: would like to assign action to ted to review
  305. # [18:27] <glenn> ACTION hober to Review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199
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  307. # [18:27] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - hober
  308. # [18:28] <glenn> ACTION edward to Review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199
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  310. # [18:28] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - edward
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  314. # [18:28] <glenn> close ACTION-216
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  316. # [18:28] <trackbot> ACTION-216 Update ISSUE-199 proposal based on Ted's closed
  317. # [18:29] <glenn> Topic: New Issues This Week
  318. # [18:29] <glenn> none
  319. # [18:29] <glenn> Topic: Items Closed this Week
  320. # [18:29] <glenn> none
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  323. # [18:29] <glenn> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
  324. # [18:29] <glenn> none
  325. # [18:29] <glenn> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  326. # [18:29] <glenn> ISSUE-203?
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  328. # [18:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- open
  329. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
  330. # [18:30] <paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-203
  331. # [18:30] <glenn> ISSUE-203: media-descriptions, Write Alternate or Counter-Proposal closes Jun 10
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  333. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-203 All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element notes added
  334. # [18:30] <glenn> Topic: New Calls this Week
  335. # [18:30] <glenn> none
  336. # [18:31] <glenn> Topic: New Surveys this Week
  337. # [18:31] <glenn> ISSUE-205?
  338. # [18:31] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-205
  339. # [18:31] <trackbot> ISSUE-205 -- Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. -- open
  340. # [18:31] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205
  341. # [18:31] <glenn> ISSUE-205: text-editing-canvas - Straw Poll for Objections
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  343. # [18:31] <trackbot> ISSUE-205 Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. notes added
  344. # [18:31] <glenn> paulc: closes end of thursday next week
  345. # [18:31] <glenn> ... june 7
  346. # [18:31] <glenn> ... any comments janina?
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  348. # [18:32] <glenn> janina: nothing to report at this time
  349. # [18:32] <MikeSmith> ACTION member:hober to Review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199
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  351. # [18:32] <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
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  353. # [18:32] <glenn> Topic: Decisions this Week
  354. # [18:32] <glenn> none
  355. # [18:32] <glenn> Topic: AOB
  356. # [18:32] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  357. # [18:32] <glenn> 31c re-open request review
  358. # [18:32] <MikeSmith> ACTION hober to Review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199
  359. # [18:32] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012May/0094.html
  360. # [18:32] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
  361. # [18:32] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  362. # [18:33] <glenn> already there...
  363. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> ACTION: hober to Review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a
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  365. # [18:33] * RRSAgent records action 2
  366. # [18:33] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - hober
  367. # [18:33] <glenn> paulc: 31c still pending
  368. # [18:33] <glenn> HTML-A11Y Task Force Consensus on Issue-204
  369. # [18:33] <MikeSmith> trackbot, reload
  370. # [18:33] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012May/0078.html
  371. # [18:34] <glenn> janina: not at consensus yet
  372. # [18:34] <paulc> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-204
  373. # [18:34] <glenn> ... PF has objection, late yesterday
  374. # [18:34] <paulc> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012May/0156.html
  375. # [18:34] <glenn> ... re: 2119 normative language on UAs regarding a11y markup
  376. # [18:34] <glenn> s/a11y/aria/
  377. # [18:35] <glenn> janina: doesn't know if closer to consensus or not
  378. # [18:35] <glenn> paulc: see link above for the email in question
  379. # [18:35] <glenn> ted: exchange was useful, getting closer to agreement, but nothing more specific yet
  380. # [18:36] <glenn> paulc: chairs and TF coordinator met earlier this week, ball is in chair's court re: objections from F2F
  381. # [18:36] <MikeSmith> trackbot, init
  382. # [18:36] <glenn> Update on Editor Search
  383. # [18:36] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012May/0086.html
  384. # [18:37] <glenn> paulc: nothing new, plh is away, continuing to work on it
  385. # [18:37] <glenn> Bulk of W3C's server infrastructure is at MIT CSAIL and will be impacted by a planned network outage on Sat-Sun June 9-10
  386. # [18:37] <MikeSmith> ACTION: hober to review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a
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  389. # [18:37] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - hober
  390. # [18:37] <glenn> http://tig.csail.mit.edu/wiki/TIG/2012NetworkOutage
  391. # [18:38] <glenn> paulc: N.B. outage in servers noted above
  392. # [18:38] <glenn> Topic: Scribe for Next Meeting
  393. # [18:38] <glenn> paulc: sam will be chairing
  394. # [18:38] <glenn> if nobody else, i can do so
  395. # [18:39] <glenn> Topic: adjournment
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  397. # [18:39] <Zakim> - +1.858.677.aabb
  398. # [18:39] <glenn> adjourned
  399. # [18:39] <Zakim> -jaymunro
  400. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  401. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Clarke
  402. # [18:39] <Zakim> -adrianba
  403. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Mike
  404. # [18:39] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  405. # [18:39] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  406. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Janina
  407. # [18:39] <Zakim> -Aaron
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  411. # [18:39] <glenn> rrsagent, draft minutes
  412. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/31-html-wg-minutes.html glenn
  413. # [18:39] <Zakim> -David_Dorwin
  414. # [18:39] <MikeSmith> trackbot, bye
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  423. # [18:40] <MikeSmith> ACTION: hober to review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a
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  426. # [18:40] <trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a [on Edward O'Connor - due 2012-06-07].
  427. # [18:40] <Zakim> -glenn
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