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  94. # [18:06] <glenn> zakim, this will be HTML_WG
  95. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, glenn, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
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  97. # [18:07] <Zakim> - +1.619.846.aaaa
  98. # [18:07] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  99. # [18:07] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.619.846.aaaa
  100. # [18:08] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
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  109. # [18:09] <jaymunro> zakim [microsoft] is me
  110. # [18:09] <glenn> zakim, ??p10 is glenn
  111. # [18:09] <Zakim> +glenn; got it
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  119. # [18:09] <jaymunro> zakim, [microsoft] is me
  120. # [18:09] <Zakim> sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named '[microsoft]'
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  125. # [18:09] <mjs> Zakim: +1.415.595.aabb is me
  126. # [18:09] <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aabb is me
  127. # [18:09] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
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  129. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  130. # [18:09] <glenn> zakim, [microsoft] has jaymunro
  131. # [18:09] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  132. # [18:10] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  133. # [18:10] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  134. # [18:10] <jaymunro> Zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  135. # [18:10] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  136. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +1.415.706.aadd
  137. # [18:11] <mjs> any volunteers to scribe?
  138. # [18:11] <glenn> i can scribe, but will remain muted
  139. # [18:11] <mjs> that's fine
  140. # [18:11] <glenn> Chair: mjs
  141. # [18:11] <glenn> ScribeNick: glenn
  142. # [18:11] <glenn> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012AprJun/0032.html
  143. # [18:11] <glenn> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, June 14
  144. # [18:11] <glenn> ACTION-217?
  145. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-217
  146. # [18:12] <trackbot> ACTION-217 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to create an updated Caret ring focus (Rich, Ted, Frank) ISSUE-201 CP -- due 2012-06-07 -- OPEN
  147. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/217
  148. # [18:12] <glenn> mjs: is rich, ted, or frank here?
  149. # [18:12] <glenn> paulc: frank sent note on june 6th
  150. # [18:12] <glenn> ... asking for ted's input on 201
  151. # [18:12] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0020.html
  152. # [18:12] <glenn> ... so far no response from ted
  153. # [18:13] <glenn> ... frank/ted/rich has in their court
  154. # [18:13] <glenn> ted: taken look at frank's proposal
  155. # [18:13] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  156. # [18:13] <glenn> ... but needs more review hope to do today
  157. # [18:13] <glenn> ACTION-212?
  158. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-212
  159. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-212 -- Michael[tm] Smith to draft revised HTML WG charter for May 31 -- due 2012-06-14 -- OPEN
  160. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/212
  161. # [18:14] <Zakim> + +1.613.287.aaee
  162. # [18:14] <glenn> mjs: not aware of state on this, anyone have update?
  163. # [18:14] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  164. # [18:14] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  165. # [18:14] <Zakim> +Plh
  166. # [18:14] <glenn> paulc: last week mike said he was holding off until plh returned from holiday
  167. # [18:14] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  168. # [18:14] <glenn> ... originally due may 31
  169. # [18:15] <glenn> ... mike requested extension until plh returned
  170. # [18:15] <glenn> plh: hasn't seen draft yet
  171. # [18:15] <glenn> ... mike is attending digital signing workshop at present
  172. # [18:15] <glenn> yes, but muted
  173. # [18:15] <glenn> ACTION-212: due on June 21st
  174. # [18:15] * trackbot attempting to add comment notes to ACTION-212.
  175. # [18:15] <trackbot> ACTION-212 Draft revised HTML WG charter for May 31 notes added
  176. # [18:16] <glenn> ACTION-219?
  177. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-219
  178. # [18:16] <trackbot> ACTION-219 -- Edward O'Connor to review Michael Cooper's CP for ISSUE-199a -- due 2012-06-14 -- OPEN
  179. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/219
  180. # [18:16] <glenn> related to ISSUE-199a
  181. # [18:16] <glenn> ted: hoping to send feedback by end of day
  182. # [18:16] <glenn> mjs: higher priority on 201
  183. # [18:17] <glenn> ... 199 is next priority
  184. # [18:17] <glenn> ... thanks ted for update
  185. # [18:17] <glenn> mjs: any q/c?
  186. # [18:17] <glenn> Topic: New Issues This Week
  187. # [18:17] <glenn> none
  188. # [18:17] <glenn> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
  189. # [18:17] <glenn> ISSUE-205?
  190. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-205
  191. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-205 -- Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. -- open
  192. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205
  193. # [18:17] <glenn> mjs: survey closed June 7, chairs now reviewing
  194. # [18:18] <glenn> ISSUE-205: survey closed June 7
  195. # [18:18] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-205.
  196. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-205 Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. notes added
  197. # [18:18] <glenn> Topic: Items Closing This Week
  198. # [18:18] <glenn> none
  199. # [18:18] * plh brb
  200. # [18:18] <glenn> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  201. # [18:19] <glenn> ISSUE-184?
  202. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-184
  203. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
  204. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
  205. # [18:19] <glenn> ISSUE-184: data-element, Survey closes Jun 21
  206. # [18:19] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-184.
  207. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-184 Add a data element notes added
  208. # [18:19] <glenn> mjs: two CPs, one adds type system and various type values
  209. # [18:19] <glenn> ISSUE-185?
  210. # [18:19] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-185
  211. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
  212. # [18:19] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
  213. # [18:19] <glenn> ISSUE-185: drop-pubdate, Surveys close Jun 21
  214. # [18:19] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-185.
  215. # [18:19] <trackbot> ISSUE-185 Drop the pubdate attribute notes added
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  217. # [18:20] <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0091.html
  218. # [18:20] <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0092.html
  219. # [18:20] * plh back
  220. # [18:20] <glenn> mjs: pubdate/moddate attrs (see above links)
  221. # [18:21] <glenn> ... pls look at these surveys and enter objections if necessary
  222. # [18:21] <glenn> ISSUE-203?
  223. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-203
  224. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- open
  225. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
  226. # [18:21] <glenn> ISSUE-203: media-descriptions, Call for Consensus closes Jun 20
  227. # [18:21] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-203.
  228. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-203 All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element notes added
  229. # [18:21] <glenn> mjs: no counter-CPs, so will do CfC; adds alt/longdesc to video/audio elements
  230. # [18:21] <glenn> Topic: New Calls This Week
  231. # [18:22] <glenn> ISSUE-203: media-descriptions, Call for Consensus closes Jun 20
  232. # [18:22] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-203.
  233. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-203 All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element notes added
  234. # [18:22] <glenn> mjs: q/c?
  235. # [18:22] <glenn> Topic: New Surveys This Week
  236. # [18:22] <glenn> ISSUE-184?
  237. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-184
  238. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
  239. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
  240. # [18:22] <glenn> ISSUE-185?
  241. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-185
  242. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
  243. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
  244. # [18:22] <glenn> ISSUE-184: data-element - Straw Poll for Objections
  245. # [18:22] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-184.
  246. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-184 Add a data element notes added
  247. # [18:22] <glenn> ISSUE-185: drop-pubdate - Straw Poll for Objections
  248. # [18:22] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-185.
  249. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-185 Drop the pubdate attribute notes added
  250. # [18:23] <glenn> Topic: Decisions This Week
  251. # [18:23] <glenn> none
  252. # [18:23] <glenn> Topic: Other Business
  253. # [18:23] <glenn> ISSUE-189?
  254. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-189
  255. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
  256. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
  257. # [18:23] <glenn> [are we discussing 204?]
  258. # [18:24] <glenn> ISSUE-204?
  259. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-204
  260. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
  261. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
  262. # [18:24] <glenn> mjs: assorted email activity... ted put together diff on CPs and current text
  263. # [18:24] <glenn> ... fair bit of alignment and few diffs
  264. # [18:24] <glenn> ... hoping folks can talk through these to resovle
  265. # [18:25] <glenn> ... janina asked for simple description of difference in plain text
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  267. # [18:25] <glenn> ... agree it is a bit hard to follow diffs
  268. # [18:25] <glenn> ... mjs may make attempt to summarize diffs
  269. # [18:26] <paulc> q+
  270. # [18:26] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  271. # [18:26] <glenn> ... to speed along discussion, to get to agreement then move on
  272. # [18:26] <paulc> See Laura's text of Jonas's proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Jun/0071.html
  273. # [18:26] <glenn> janina: would be much appreciated to have an english language description of diff
  274. # [18:26] <glenn> ... not sure if diff is quite right
  275. # [18:26] <Zakim> + +1.206.218.aaff
  276. # [18:26] <glenn> mjs: will attempt to do so
  277. # [18:27] <glenn> ... if needed, will request proposers for further input
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  279. # [18:27] <glenn> paulc: laura posted text version of jonas' proposal (see above link)
  280. # [18:27] <glenn> ... mjs should look at this before attempting summary
  281. # [18:28] <glenn> ted: looks like laura's input is correct, however, there are some issues on diff markers going away
  282. # [18:28] <glenn> ... probably still worth mjs applying diff to see what comes out
  283. # [18:29] <glenn> mjs: thinks laura's reconstruction is probably good starting point, though as ted points out maybe additional diffs
  284. # [18:29] <glenn> ... reasonable reference point
  285. # [18:29] <glenn> ... hopes TF can review laura's input, and will proceed with his [msj] own attempt
  286. # [18:30] <glenn> mjs: q/c?
  287. # [18:30] <glenn> ISSUE-31c?
  288. # [18:30] <glenn> ISSUE-31?
  289. # [18:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-31
  290. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-31 -- Author conformance requirements for the alt attribute on images -- closed
  291. # [18:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
  292. # [18:30] <glenn> ISSUE-31: re-open request
  293. # [18:30] * trackbot attempting to add a note to ISSUE-31.
  294. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-31 Author conformance requirements for the alt attribute on images notes added
  295. # [18:31] <glenn> mjs: in chairs court on whether to re-open, no update at this time
  296. # [18:31] <glenn> ... whether meta name=generator should be allowed as exemption to alt text checking
  297. # [18:31] <glenn> ... deployed generators will not disable
  298. # [18:31] <glenn> mjs: q/c?
  299. # [18:31] <glenn> janina: not sure summary is correct
  300. # [18:32] <glenn> ???: there are some tools that do a good job
  301. # [18:32] <glenn> ... taking validation piece out is a problem regarding message to tool [vendors]
  302. # [18:33] <glenn> ... tools are next big front for accessibility
  303. # [18:33] <glenn> [who is speaking?]
  304. # [18:33] * mjs glenn, the last speaker was Judy
  305. # [18:33] <glenn> s/???/judy/
  306. # [18:33] <glenn> mjs: any other comments/
  307. # [18:33] * plh actually, I believe that was Cynthia
  308. # [18:33] <glenn> s/comment\//comments/
  309. # [18:34] <glenn> s/judy/cynthia/
  310. # [18:34] <glenn> Media Telecon Minutes
  311. # [18:34] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0065.html
  312. # [18:34] <glenn> mjs: proposals for encryption and adaptive streaming
  313. # [18:35] <glenn> ... under discussion
  314. # [18:35] <paulc> q+
  315. # [18:35] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  316. # [18:35] <glenn> ... anyone interested should review minutes and subscribe to new ML for this work
  317. # [18:35] <paulc> Topic next week will be the adaptive streaming proposal.
  318. # [18:35] <glenn> paulc: each week plan to alternate topics
  319. # [18:35] <paulc> We are working thru the Bugzilla bugs for each proposal.
  320. # [18:35] <glenn> ... working through bugzilla bugs
  321. # [18:36] <glenn> ... many comments on proposals were documented in bugzilla
  322. # [18:36] <glenn> ... seeking widespread input
  323. # [18:36] <glenn> ... discuss in calls and discuss on public-html-media@w3.org
  324. # [18:37] <glenn> ... if you're interested, please join that ML (i.e., send subscribe message to public-html-media-request@w3.org)
  325. # [18:37] <glenn> mjs: q/c?
  326. # [18:37] <Zakim> - +1.415.706.aadd
  327. # [18:37] <glenn> msj: AOB?
  328. # [18:37] <glenn> none
  329. # [18:37] <glenn> Topic: Scribe for Next Meeting
  330. # [18:38] <paulc> Paul will Chair next week.
  331. # [18:38] <glenn> will not be on call next week due to travel, so can't scribe
  332. # [18:38] <plh> I can scribe
  333. # [18:38] <glenn> mjs: thanks plh
  334. # [18:38] <paulc> Thank you, plh.
  335. # [18:38] <glenn> Topic: Adjournment
  336. # [18:38] <glenn> mjs: adjourned
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  342. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Plh
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  344. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  345. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Janina
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  348. # [18:38] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  349. # [18:39] <Zakim> -ddorwin
  350. # [18:39] <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
  351. # [18:39] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  352. # [18:39] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  353. # [18:39] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.619.846.aaaa, glenn, adrianba, Janina, ddorwin, +1.415.706.aacc, Radhika_Roy, mjs, jaymunro, paulc, +1.415.706.aadd, [Microsoft],
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  356. # [18:39] <Zakim> -jaymunro
  357. # [18:39] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  358. # [18:39] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
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  363. # [18:40] <glenn> rrsagent, draft minutes
  364. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-wg-minutes.html glenn
  365. # [18:43] <glenn> rrsagent, make minutes public
  366. # [18:43] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', glenn. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  367. # [18:43] <glenn> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
  368. # [18:43] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, glenn
  369. # [18:44] <glenn> rrsagent, publish minutes
  370. # [18:44] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/14-html-wg-minutes.html glenn
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  375. # [18:46] <Zakim> +yang; got it
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