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  52. # [13:32] <MikeSmith> issue-194?
  53. # [13:32] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-194
  54. # [13:32] <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
  55. # [13:32] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
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  113. # [23:22] <timeless> MikeSmith: can you please get http://www.w3.org/Press/HTML4 fixed? :)
  114. # [23:22] <timeless> it seems stupid that the page talks about a FPWD
  115. # [23:22] <timeless> surely it could talk about /anything/ else
  116. # [23:22] <timeless> :)
  117. # [23:22] <MikeSmith> god how do you even find this stuff man?
  118. # [23:23] <timeless> google ? :(
  119. # [23:23] <MikeSmith> what would you like me to have it changed to?
  120. # [23:23] <timeless> dunno, surely someone announced TR or REC or i don't know
  121. # [23:26] <plh> that's an article from 1997
  122. # [23:27] <plh> my guess is that it's acurate
  123. # [23:30] <jgraham> Yes, it seems to be very fixed
  124. # [23:30] <jgraham> Fixed for a decade and a half
  125. # [23:32] <plh> we don't have a page for latest press article for html4. I can understand that /Press/HTML4 might be misleading, but that's how it was published at the time
  126. # [23:32] <plh> http://www.w3.org/Press/HTML4-REC was the follow up one for the REC at the time
  127. # [23:41] <karl> http://www.w3.org/Press/Releases-1997.html
  128. # [23:42] <karl> timeless: it is just a Press Release
  129. # [23:42] <timeless> karl: i understand
  130. # [23:42] <timeless> but it's really unfortunate
  131. # [23:42] <karl> huh?
  132. # [23:42] <timeless> well, google found that page
  133. # [23:43] <timeless> and you can be sure it wasn't what i wanted
  134. # [23:43] <timeless> and it wasn't google's fault
  135. # [23:43] <karl> well isn't what Google (or any search engine) is for
  136. # [23:43] <timeless> well
  137. # [23:43] <timeless> your goal as an entity is for google to find the right pages
  138. # [23:43] <timeless> not old stale pages w/ the least possibly good information available
  139. # [23:43] <karl> the key word in your sentence "what *I* wanted" is I == timeless
  140. # [23:44] <karl> is not necessary the rest of the world ;)
  141. # [23:44] <timeless> karl: name 3 people who'd actually want that page :)
  142. # [23:44] <karl> Me, Historian, Library rats
  143. # [23:44] <timeless> rats can't eat electronic bits ;-b
  144. # [23:45] * karl is going to the nearby library to burn all references to the past.
  145. # [23:45] <plh> maybe google should take into account the date in its ranking algorithm?
  146. # [23:45] <timeless> historians can use http://web.archive.org/web/19980114081203/http://w3c.org/Press/HTML4
  147. # [23:46] <karl> → curl -sI http://www.w3.org/Press/HTML4 | grep Last-Modified
  148. # [23:46] <karl> Last-Modified: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:46:47 GMT
  149. # [23:47] <timeless> well, the crawler wasn't as active in 1997 :)
  150. # [23:47] * karl renames timeless as Farenheit
  151. # [23:48] <timeless> plh / MikeSmith: anyway, the reason that google took me there and not HTML4-REC is that the word "published" isn't in the -REC page
  152. # [23:48] <timeless> which seems unfortunate :)
  153. # [23:49] <timeless> actually, i'm not sure
  154. # [23:49] <karl> arf
  155. # [23:49] <timeless> because i didn't search for published
  156. # [23:49] * timeless shrugs
  157. # [23:49] <plh> hum, we didn't think about that back then :)
  158. # [23:49] <timeless> maybe there was less press coverage of -REC? :(
  159. # [23:50] <timeless> plh: when you guys do /Press for HTML5, can you pay for SEO? :)
  160. # [23:50] <timeless> it needs to be buzzword compatible :)
  161. # [23:50] <timeless> things like "published" and "publication" should be there :)
  162. # [23:51] <plh> we'll try to add iPad and Higgs-Boson on it as well
  163. # [23:51] * karl is taking his machine to travel time, and knows who will be the future timeless troll.
  164. # [23:52] * timeless sighs
  165. # [23:52] <timeless> w3 has this odd mix of dated and permanent urls
  166. # [23:53] <timeless> where they manage to make undated urls permanent :(
  167. # [23:54] <karl> hihi. dejà vu
  168. # [23:54] <plh> dated urls only started to be used in 1998 on w3.org
  169. # [23:56] <timeless> oh
  170. # [23:56] <timeless> thanks for the history :)
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