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  104. # [17:16] <MikeSmith> issue-194?
  105. # [17:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-194
  106. # [17:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
  107. # [17:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
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  114. # [18:03] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  115. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P0
  116. # [18:03] <yang> zakim, who's on the phone?
  117. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0
  118. # [18:04] <yang> zakim, ??P0 is me
  119. # [18:04] <Zakim> +yang; got it
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  122. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Sam
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  124. # [18:08] <Zakim> +??P18
  125. # [18:08] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  126. # [18:08] <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
  127. # [18:08] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  128. # [18:08] <glenn> zakim, ??P18 is me
  129. # [18:08] <Zakim> +glenn; got it
  130. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[GVoice]
  131. # [18:09] <ddorwin> zakim, GVoice is me
  132. # [18:09] <Zakim> +ddorwin; got it
  133. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  134. # [18:10] <glenn> zakim, who is noisy?
  135. # [18:10] <hober> ScribeNick: hober
  136. # [18:10] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  137. # [18:10] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  138. # [18:10] <Zakim> glenn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: yang (56%), [Microsoft] (31%)
  139. # [18:10] <yang> mute myself
  140. # [18:10] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  141. # [18:10] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  143. # [18:10] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/07/19-html-wg-irc
  144. # [18:10] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  145. # [18:10] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  146. # [18:10] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  147. # [18:10] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  148. # [18:10] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  149. # [18:10] <trackbot> Date: 19 July 2012
  150. # [18:11] <rubys> ScribeNick: hober
  151. # [18:11] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0011.html
  152. # [18:11] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  153. # [18:11] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  154. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Plh
  155. # [18:11] <paulc> zakim, list
  156. # [18:11] <Zakim> I see UW_WebTVIG()11:00AM, W3C_(Identity)11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, XML_XSLWG()12:00PM, HTML_WG()12:00PM, Priv_IG()12:00PM active
  157. # [18:11] <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are I18N_WG(MLW)11:00AM, SW_HCLS(TMO)11:00AM, SW_(PROV)11:00AM, Team_Offices(TRAIN)11:30AM
  158. # [18:11] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  159. # [18:11] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  160. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Mike
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  162. # [18:11] <paulc> zakim, list attendees
  163. # [18:11] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been yang, Sam, hober, glenn, ddorwin, paulc, Plh, Mike
  164. # [18:13] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  165. # [18:13] <eliot> zakim, microsoft.a has me
  166. # [18:13] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  167. # [18:13] <paulc> zakim, list attendees
  168. # [18:13] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been yang, Sam, hober, glenn, ddorwin, paulc, Plh, Mike, [Microsoft], eliot
  169. # [18:14] <paulc> Good morning Sam
  170. # [18:15] <hober> Topic: Action items due by Thursday, July 19
  171. # [18:15] <hober> paulc: there are none
  172. # [18:15] <hober> Topic: New Issues This Week
  173. # [18:15] <hober> paulc: there are none
  174. # [18:15] <hober> ... There is 1 tracker request
  175. # [18:15] <hober> http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
  176. # [18:15] <hober> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
  177. # [18:15] <hober> paulc: there are none
  178. # [18:15] <hober> Topic: Items Closing This Week
  179. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-199?
  180. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-199
  181. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- open
  182. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
  183. # [18:15] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0049.html
  184. # [18:16] <hober> <discussion of problems with the w3c email archives>
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  186. # [18:17] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0092.html
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  188. # [18:18] <Zakim> +??P26
  189. # [18:18] <hober> CfC sent out 9 July; no replies
  190. # [18:18] <janina> zakim, ??P26 is Janina
  191. # [18:18] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
  192. # [18:18] <rubys> +1
  193. # [18:18] <hober> paulc: imminent close of ISSUE-199 accepting remaining CP
  194. # [18:18] <hober> ISSUE-200?
  195. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-200
  196. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
  197. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
  198. # [18:18] <hober> Straw Poll for Objections closes Jul 19
  199. # [18:18] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0056.html
  200. # [18:18] <yang> q+
  201. # [18:18] * Zakim sees yang on the speaker queue
  202. # [18:19] <hober> paulc: I encourage WG members to reply to the survey if they have additional information to supply
  203. # [18:19] <hober> yang: question about <legend> issue
  204. # [18:19] <hober> yang: could we combine the <legend> and <caption> element into one?
  205. # [18:20] <hober> paulc: survey only covers change proposals on the table
  206. # [18:20] <hober> paulc: there was a lot of talk about this in the past; i recommend you review the history of the issue before filing a new bug
  207. # [18:20] <paulc> ack yang
  208. # [18:20] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  209. # [18:20] <hober> ISSUE-189?
  210. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-189
  211. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
  212. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
  213. # [18:20] <hober> Straw Poll for Objections closes today
  214. # [18:20] <hober> paulc: received request to stop the poll (to wait for ietf); we declined
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  216. # [18:21] <hober> ... going forward. if the ietf makes a decision we'll revisit at that time
  217. # [18:21] <hober> ... survey closes today
  218. # [18:21] <hober> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  219. # [18:21] <hober> ISSUE-203?
  220. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-203
  221. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- open
  222. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
  223. # [18:21] <hober> Call for Consensus extension closes Jul 27
  224. # [18:21] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jun/0134.html
  225. # [18:21] <hober> ISSUE-194?
  226. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-194
  227. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
  228. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
  229. # [18:22] <hober> Straw Poll for Objections closes Jul 26
  230. # [18:22] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0070.html
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  233. # [18:22] <hober> paulc: we negotiated an extension for the ISSUE-203 survey
  234. # [18:22] <hober> Topic: New Calls this week
  235. # [18:22] <hober> paulc: there are none
  236. # [18:22] <hober> Topic: New Surveys this week
  237. # [18:22] <hober> ISSUE-194?
  238. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-194
  239. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
  240. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
  241. # [18:22] <hober> paulc: received a request from laura to suspend this poll so that issue-194 comes after issue-30
  242. # [18:23] <paulc> Paul's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0115.html
  243. # [18:23] <hober> ... i respond this morning on behalf of the chairs
  244. # [18:23] <hober> ... i have not yet processed laura's subsequent response
  245. # [18:23] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
  246. # [18:23] <hober> ... i will take up her question with my co-chairs
  247. # [18:23] <rubys> I do believe that the decision on 194 will not have an effect on 30
  248. # [18:23] <paulc> Laura's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0116.html
  249. # [18:24] * hober agrees with rubys
  250. # [18:24] <hober> Topic: Decisions this week
  251. # [18:24] <hober> ISSUE-184?
  252. # [18:24] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-184
  253. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- closed
  254. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
  255. # [18:24] <hober> WG Decision: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0095.html
  256. # [18:25] <hober> paulc: chairs prioritized 184 because it was blocking 183
  257. # [18:25] <hober> ... decision was to not include a type system for the <data> element
  258. # [18:26] <paulc> CP endorsed: http://www.w3.org/wiki/User:Tantekelik/data_element
  259. # [18:26] <hober> paulc: this will go into the queue of edits to be made by the new editors
  260. # [18:26] <hober> ISSUE-205?
  261. # [18:26] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-205
  262. # [18:26] <trackbot> ISSUE-205 -- Define what author guidance and/or methods should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text editors using canvas as a rendering surface. -- closed
  263. # [18:26] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205
  264. # [18:26] <hober> WG Decision: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0101.html
  265. # [18:27] <paulc> CP endorsed: http://www.w3.org/wiki/No_edit_change_proposal_for_canvas_text_editing
  266. # [18:27] <hober> paulc: the accepted proposal requires no changes to the spec
  267. # [18:27] <hober> ... this will be closed out as well
  268. # [18:27] <rubys> q+
  269. # [18:27] * Zakim sees rubys on the speaker queue
  270. # [18:27] <hober> paulc: questions?
  271. # [18:27] <hober> rubys: 184 was a no-change proposal
  272. # [18:27] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  273. # [18:27] <paulc> ack rubys
  274. # [18:27] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  275. # [18:28] <hober> Topic: Other Business
  276. # [18:28] <hober> ISSUE-131?
  277. # [18:28] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  278. # [18:28] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  279. # [18:28] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  280. # [18:28] <hober> paulc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0102.html
  281. # [18:28] <hober> paulc: asking rich & frank if they have any other changes they want to make for their CPs, given the 205 decision
  282. # [18:28] <hober> frankolivier: i don't have any changes to my proposal
  283. # [18:29] <hober> ISSUE-151?
  284. # [18:29] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-151
  285. # [18:29] <trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document -- open
  286. # [18:29] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151
  287. # [18:29] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0091.html
  288. # [18:30] <hober> paulc: doesn't require any action from the WG; the chairs will delay 151 until new editors are appointed & new charter finalized
  289. # [18:30] <hober> ... about text in status section that refers to the whatwg
  290. # [18:30] <hober> ... will take this up at the end of the next last call
  291. # [18:30] <hober> ... if you have concerns, reply to message 0091
  292. # [18:30] <hober> ISSUE-183?
  293. # [18:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-183
  294. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
  295. # [18:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
  296. # [18:30] <hober> paulc: was blocked by 184
  297. # [18:31] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0103.html and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0105.html
  298. # [18:31] <hober> paulc: cameron is withdrawing his proposal
  299. # [18:31] <hober> ... leaves just one proposal standing
  300. # [18:32] <hober> ... we expect an immanent CfC on the remaining proposal for 183
  301. # [18:32] <hober> ISSUE-201?
  302. # [18:32] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  303. # [18:32] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
  304. # [18:32] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
  305. # [18:32] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0092.html
  306. # [18:32] <hober> paulc: asking for input from CP authors (rich, charles, ted, steve, frank)
  307. # [18:32] <hober> ... asking for any further changes; some outstanding questions
  308. # [18:33] <paulc> Rich's questions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0040.html
  309. # [18:33] <hober> paulc: discussed this this morning on the a11y tf call
  310. # [18:33] <hober> ... trying to arrange a meeting next tuesday
  311. # [18:33] <hober> ... frank and ted have been invited
  312. # [18:34] <paulc> See request: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012Jul/0013.html
  313. # [18:34] <hober> ... chairs are trying to get all the cp proponents together
  314. # [18:34] <hober> ... should the two proposals remain as-is, or can we find more consensus between them
  315. # [18:35] <hober> ... use of lightweight objects is main remaining area of disagreement
  316. # [18:35] <hober> ISSUE-203?
  317. # [18:35] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-203
  318. # [18:35] <trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- open
  319. # [18:35] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
  320. # [18:35] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0093.html
  321. # [18:35] <hober> paulc: asking ted if he'd finished making edits
  322. # [18:35] <hober> ... answered positively
  323. # [18:35] <hober> ... depends on the processing order of ISSUE-204, ISSUE-30, and ISSUE-203
  324. # [18:36] <hober> ISSUE-204?
  325. # [18:36] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-204
  326. # [18:36] <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
  327. # [18:36] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
  328. # [18:36] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0089.html
  329. # [18:36] <hober> paulc: chairs have identified the two remaining proposals
  330. # [18:36] <hober> ... trying to determine if they're ready for survey
  331. # [18:36] <hober> ... deadline today for feedback
  332. # [18:37] <plh> q+ for a question on 201
  333. # [18:37] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  334. # [18:37] <hober> hober: i'll reply to john's questions today
  335. # [18:37] <janina> q+
  336. # [18:37] * Zakim sees plh, janina on the speaker queue
  337. # [18:38] <paulc> ack janina
  338. # [18:38] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  339. # [18:38] <hober> janina: will ted be available later this afternoon
  340. # [18:38] <hober> hober: earlier pdt is better
  341. # [18:38] <hober> Topic: ISSUE-204, ISSUE-30 and ISSUE-203 processing order
  342. # [18:38] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0094.html
  343. # [18:39] <hober> paulc: chairs believe there is a dependency order here
  344. # [18:39] <hober> ... will move onto issue-30 once we finish issue-204
  345. # [18:39] <hober> ... then on to 203
  346. # [18:39] <hober> ... wg participants have been asking about timetable
  347. # [18:39] <hober> ... like 184/183, and 205/131
  348. # [18:40] <hober> ... the chairs, after making a decision, will try to determine if there is a cascading effect
  349. # [18:40] <hober> ... will give CP authors an opportunity to update proposals based on decisions made
  350. # [18:40] <hober> ... chairs will not lock down specific schedule
  351. # [18:40] <hober> ... because of people's different workloads, schedules, etc.
  352. # [18:41] <paulc> ack plh
  353. # [18:41] <Zakim> plh, you wanted to discuss a question on 201
  354. # [18:41] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  355. # [18:41] <Zakim> -ddorwin
  356. # [18:41] <hober> plh: question for frank: was your proposal merged with ted's?
  357. # [18:41] <hober> frankolivier: ted updated his proposal; i'm happy with that
  358. # [18:42] <hober> paulc: please reply on-list; will see if we can find more common ground next week
  359. # [18:42] <hober> Topic: Scribe for next week
  360. # [18:42] <glenn> i can scribe
  361. # [18:42] <hober> paulc: i'm chairing next week as well
  362. # [18:42] <hober> plh: i can scribe
  363. # [18:42] <hober> Topic: adjournment
  364. # [18:42] <hober> paulc: we are adjourned
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  366. # [18:43] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  367. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Mike
  368. # [18:43] <Zakim> -glenn
  369. # [18:43] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  370. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Janina
  371. # [18:43] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  372. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Plh
  373. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Sam
  374. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  375. # [18:43] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  376. # [18:43] <Zakim> -yang
  377. # [18:43] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  378. # [18:43] <Zakim> Attendees were yang, Sam, hober, glenn, ddorwin, paulc, Plh, Mike, [Microsoft], eliot, Janina, Laura_Carlson
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  381. # [18:43] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/19-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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