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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jul 26 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
  3. # [00:03] <hober> plh: heh. figures there would be a typo in the section describing how to fix a typo. :)
  4. # [00:03] <hober> plh: thanks for catching that
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  101. # [18:07] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
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  104. # [18:09] <hober> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  105. # [18:09] <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
  106. # [18:09] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  107. # [18:09] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  108. # [18:09] <glenn> zakim, this is HTML_WG
  109. # [18:09] <Zakim> glenn, this was already HTML_WG()12:00PM
  110. # [18:09] <Zakim> ok, glenn; that matches HTML_WG()12:00PM
  111. # [18:09] <glenn> zakim, who's on the phone?
  112. # [18:09] <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
  113. # [18:10] <glenn> trackbot, start meeting
  114. # [18:10] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  115. # [18:10] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  116. # [18:10] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  117. # [18:10] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  118. # [18:10] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  119. # [18:10] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  120. # [18:10] <trackbot> Date: 26 July 2012
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  122. # [18:10] <jaymunro> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  123. # [18:10] <Zakim> sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
  124. # [18:10] <jaymunro> zakim, Microsoft is me
  125. # [18:10] <Zakim> sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named 'Microsoft'
  126. # [18:10] <glenn> zakim, who's here?
  127. # [18:10] <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
  128. # [18:10] <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, rubys, eliot, jaymunro, cjones, paulc, icaaq, myakura, dveditz, vimeo_joe, miketaylr, glenn, davidb, plh, ArtB, nonge_, drublic_, tmpsantos, MikeSmith, karl,
  129. # [18:10] <Zakim> ... decadance, shepazu, logbot, slightlyoff, jgraham, lgombos, odinho, Dashiva, Jedi, hiro_away, arronei, RRSAgent, [tm], timeless, johndrinkwater, Wilto, gsnedders, Philip, ed,
  130. # [18:10] <Zakim> ... trackbot, ybit, heycam|away, paul___irish, CIA-1, hober, krijnhuman, gavin, Hixie, Zakim, jmb, inimino, Velmont
  131. # [18:11] <paulc> zakim, list attendees
  132. # [18:11] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been (none)
  133. # [18:11] <jaymunro> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  134. # [18:11] <Zakim> sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
  135. # [18:11] <plh> scribe: plh
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  137. # [18:12] <Wilto> I’m here.
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  139. # [18:13] <plh> Present: Paul, Sam, Glenn, plh, Jay, Janina, Eliot, Matthew, Ted
  140. # [18:13] <plh> Topic: Action items
  141. # [18:13] <plh> none
  142. # [18:13] <plh> Topic: New issues
  143. # [18:13] <plh> none
  144. # [18:14] <plh> Topic: Items that closed last week
  145. # [18:14] <plh> issue-199?
  146. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-199
  147. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for ARIA attributes -- open
  148. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
  149. # [18:14] <plh> Paul: we have a WG decision later in the agenda
  150. # [18:14] <plh> issue-200?
  151. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-200
  152. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in non-FIELDSET elements -- open
  153. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
  154. # [18:15] <plh> Paul: now in Chairs hands
  155. # [18:15] * Zakim plh, you typed too many words without commas; I suspect you forgot to start with 'to ...'
  156. # [18:15] <plh> issue-189?
  157. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-189
  158. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated with IETF -- open
  159. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
  160. # [18:15] <plh> Paul: now in Chairs hands
  161. # [18:15] * Zakim plh, you typed too many words without commas; I suspect you forgot to start with 'to ...'
  162. # [18:15] <plh> Topic: Items Closing This Week
  163. # [18:15] <plh> issue-131?
  164. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  165. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  166. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  167. # [18:16] * Parts: laura (laura@131.212.213.192)
  168. # [18:16] <plh> Paul: we sent a request to update proposals by Jul 24
  169. # [18:16] <plh> ... and we received multiple requests for extension, while adsorbing the decision on issue 205
  170. # [18:16] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0178.html
  171. # [18:16] <rubys> extension was granted to August 3 by mjs
  172. # [18:16] <plh> ... so it's on hold until the Chairs see the reaction
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  174. # [18:17] <plh> Paul: apologizes to Silvia for spelling her name wrong in the announcement btw
  175. # [18:17] <plh> issue-194?
  176. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-194
  177. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
  178. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
  179. # [18:17] <plh> Paul: this one is closing today
  180. # [18:17] <plh> issue-183?
  181. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-183
  182. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- open
  183. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
  184. # [18:17] <plh> Paul: CfC closes tomorrow
  185. # [18:18] <plh> ... no responses so far
  186. # [18:18] <laura> present+ Laura
  187. # [18:18] <plh> issue-203?
  188. # [18:18] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-203
  189. # [18:18] <trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the element -- open
  190. # [18:18] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
  191. # [18:18] <plh> Paul: CfC closes on July 27
  192. # [18:19] <plh> ... oops, forget about this. issue 203 is waiting on issue 30, which is waiting on issue 204
  193. # [18:20] <plh> ... shouldn't have been on the agenda
  194. # [18:20] <plh> issue-206?
  195. # [18:20] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-206
  196. # [18:20] <trackbot> ISSUE-206 -- Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? -- open
  197. # [18:20] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206
  198. # [18:20] <plh> Paul: Call for counter proposals closes on July 27
  199. # [18:20] <plh> ... and Ted is interested in writing one
  200. # [18:20] <plh> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  201. # [18:20] <plh> none
  202. # [18:21] <plh> Topic: New Calls this Week
  203. # [18:21] <plh> none
  204. # [18:21] <plh> Topic: New Surveys this week
  205. # [18:21] <plh> none
  206. # [18:21] <plh> Topic: Decisions this week
  207. # [18:21] <plh> Paul: we have one on issue 199
  208. # [18:21] <plh> ... see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0122.html
  209. # [18:22] <plh> Topic: Task Force Reports
  210. # [18:22] <plh> Paul: written report from Kris on test suite tf
  211. # [18:22] <plh> .. see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0014.html
  212. # [18:22] <plh> Paul: next is a11 tf report
  213. # [18:23] * rubys has fixed the status of issue 203 on http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html , from whence the agenda is generated.
  214. # [18:23] <plh> Janina: 205, sorry about the delay. we're looking into it. not clear we'll ask for reconsideration
  215. # [18:23] <plh> ... some statements in the decision that people may want to respond in the record
  216. # [18:23] <plh> ... might come back in that question in html.next
  217. # [18:23] <plh> ... we agreed to answer by august 3rd
  218. # [18:24] <plh> ... we're moving forward on most of the remaining issues
  219. # [18:24] <plh> ... where are we on 204 and 201?
  220. # [18:24] <plh> Paul: hold on for those twos. later in the agenda
  221. # [18:25] <plh> Janina: also trying to figure the implementations for HTML for A11y api
  222. # [18:25] <plh> ... no report ready for wider review yet
  223. # [18:26] <plh> Paul: next one is the media group sub-group
  224. # [18:26] <plh> Paul: we're meeting every Tuesday, alternating the proposals
  225. # [18:26] <plh> ... both of the original submission are being changed substantial to use a more OO approach
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  227. # [18:26] <plh> ... taking longer than expected
  228. # [18:26] <plh> ... by the end of august, we'll have new revisions
  229. # [18:27] <plh> ... and get to some of the other bugs, which are on hold at the moment
  230. # [18:27] <plh> ... objectives is to bring the proposals back to the WG and possibly as first FPWD
  231. # [18:27] <plh> ... next week is Media Source Extensions
  232. # [18:27] <plh> ... see public-html-media@w3.org
  233. # [18:28] <plh> ... some indication from a11y experts that there might be some issues
  234. # [18:28] <plh> ... cf f2f discussions
  235. # [18:28] <plh> Topic: Other Business
  236. # [18:28] <plh> Paul: Proposed adaptive image element
  237. # [18:28] <plh> ... email thread starts at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0123.html
  238. # [18:29] <plh> ... and a bug in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18384
  239. # [18:29] <plh> ... there seems to be interest in this feature, and whether it belongs to HTML5 or HTML.next
  240. # [18:30] <plh> plh: concerned about the time it will take to close on it. safer to put it in HTML5
  241. # [18:31] <plh> Paul: one of the co-chairs suggested filing a bug and we have one now
  242. # [18:31] <plh> Matthew: putting this off to HTML.next is problematic
  243. # [18:31] <plh> ... we could resolve issues quickly
  244. # [18:32] <paulc> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
  245. # [18:32] <plh> Paul: agreed. maybe we need a very concrete proposal, written as an editor's draft
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  247. # [18:32] <plh> ... and start having a technical discussion
  248. # [18:33] <plh> ... I'll like to encourage the CG to do the editor's draft, then submit it
  249. # [18:33] <plh> ... possibly opening a new component in bugzilla
  250. # [18:33] <plh> ... get something in the mercurial space that correctly reflects the sentiment of the CG
  251. # [18:34] <plh> Ted: seems they should drive it to FSA
  252. # [18:34] <plh> Paul: agreed, but we could start the technical discussion going while the CG does the FSA step
  253. # [18:34] <plh> ... I'm happy to help on this
  254. # [18:35] <plh> ... I do believe that we should drive it like the media extensions
  255. # [18:35] <plh> Matthew: agreed
  256. # [18:36] <plh> ... what about having implementations?
  257. # [18:36] <plh> Paul: you could but we might change the proposal later on
  258. # [18:37] <plh> Matthew: we do have active interest from IE and Adobe on this
  259. # [18:37] * plh likes actions :)
  260. # [18:37] <plh> ACTION: Paul to work with Matthew to get an editor's draft submitted to the WG for proposed adaptive image element
  261. # [18:37] * trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
  262. # [18:37] * RRSAgent records action 1
  263. # [18:37] <trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Work with Matthew to get an editor's draft submitted to the WG for proposed adaptive image element [on Paul Cotton - due 2012-08-02].
  264. # [18:38] <plh> Matthew: I resubmitted this to the WHATWG, what does this mean for this process?
  265. # [18:38] <plh> Paul: we'll follow up offline
  266. # [18:38] <plh> issue-195?
  267. # [18:38] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-195
  268. # [18:38] <trackbot> ISSUE-195 -- Enhance http request generation from forms -- open
  269. # [18:38] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195
  270. # [18:38] <plh> Paul: it seems we're ready for survey here
  271. # [18:39] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0207.html
  272. # [18:39] <plh> Sam: Cameron wants until the end of next week to see if it's ready for survey
  273. # [18:39] <plh> issue-201?
  274. # [18:39] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  275. # [18:39] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
  276. # [18:39] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
  277. # [18:39] <plh> Paul: some of the CP authors met on Tuesday and came up with a merged proposal
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  279. # [18:40] <plh> ... Steve has been working on it
  280. # [18:40] <plh> ... Frank and Ted need to look at it
  281. # [18:41] <plh> Ted: will look into it by end of day tomorrow
  282. # [18:41] <plh> Janina: thanks for the update
  283. # [18:41] <plh> issue-204?
  284. # [18:41] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-204
  285. # [18:41] <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
  286. # [18:41] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
  287. # [18:41] <plh> Paul: some discussion going on here
  288. # [18:41] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0209.html
  289. # [18:42] <plh> Ted: I removed the paragraph
  290. # [18:42] <plh> Sam: I believe this is ready for survey
  291. # [18:43] <plh> Paul: ok, so this is ready for survey. Expect one for 204 to go out eminently
  292. # [18:43] <plh> Janina: thanks for correcting the proposal. I'm happy with it
  293. # [18:44] <plh> issue-164?
  294. # [18:44] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-164
  295. # [18:44] <trackbot> ISSUE-164 -- remove or modify hgroup -- open
  296. # [18:44] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164
  297. # [18:44] <plh> Paul: I sent out 5 reviews earlier this week.
  298. # [18:44] <plh> ... we have responses on 3 emails
  299. # [18:44] <plh> ... 2 of them by August 3rd
  300. # [18:44] <plh> ... one of them will not be updated
  301. # [18:44] <plh> ... so on hold until August 3rd
  302. # [18:44] <plh> ... we'll continue to follow up
  303. # [18:45] <plh> ... and decide what to do with the CP that won't be updated by the author
  304. # [18:45] <plh> Paul: next one is the charter revision
  305. # [18:45] <plh> ... plh sent an update
  306. # [18:47] <plh> plh: it's in the hands of W3C management, then will go to the AC
  307. # [18:47] <plh> ... expect approval by end of September
  308. # [18:47] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0183.html
  309. # [18:47] <plh> Paul: we had the editors announcement yesterday
  310. # [18:47] <plh> ... we announced four individuals
  311. # [18:48] <plh> ... and we keep looking at the Canvas2D editors
  312. # [18:48] <plh> ... we'll get the editors on board and work through the backlog
  313. # [18:48] <plh> ... thank you to all applicants
  314. # [18:49] <plh> ... W3C has sponsorship for editorial position
  315. # [18:49] <plh> ... and the team and chairs are evaluating candidates
  316. # [18:49] <plh> Topic: Scribe for next meeting
  317. # [18:49] <plh> Paul: it's Sam turn next week
  318. # [18:50] <plh> Glenn: I'll scribe next week
  319. # [18:50] <plh> [adjourned]
  320. # [18:50] * plh rrsagent, generate minutes
  321. # [18:50] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/26-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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  325. # [18:50] <plh> Chair: Paul
  326. # [18:50] <plh> Regrets: Kris
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  328. # [18:51] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/26-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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