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  81. # [16:39] <MikeSmith> issue-201?
  82. # [16:39] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  83. # [16:39] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
  84. # [16:39] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
  85. # [16:39] <MikeSmith> issue-204?
  86. # [16:39] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-204
  87. # [16:39] <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
  88. # [16:39] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
  89. # [16:39] <MikeSmith> issue-30?
  90. # [16:39] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  91. # [16:39] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
  92. # [16:39] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
  93. # [16:40] <MikeSmith> issue-206?
  94. # [16:40] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-206
  95. # [16:40] <trackbot> ISSUE-206 -- Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? -- open
  96. # [16:40] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206
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  114. # [18:09] <glenn> trackbot, start meeting
  115. # [18:09] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  116. # [18:09] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  117. # [18:09] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  119. # [18:09] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  120. # [18:09] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
  121. # [18:09] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  122. # [18:09] <trackbot> Date: 02 August 2012
  123. # [18:09] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  124. # [18:09] <Zakim> +hober
  125. # [18:09] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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  127. # [18:10] <jaymunro> Zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  128. # [18:10] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  129. # [18:10] <Zakim> +??P12
  130. # [18:10] <glenn> zakim, ??p12 is glenn
  131. # [18:10] <Zakim> +glenn; got it
  132. # [18:10] <glenn> ScribeNick: glenn
  133. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Sam
  134. # [18:10] <glenn> Chair: sam
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  136. # [18:11] <glenn> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0016.html
  137. # [18:11] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  138. # [18:11] <eliot> zakim, microsoft has me
  139. # [18:11] <Zakim> +eliot; got it
  140. # [18:11] <glenn> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, August 2
  141. # [18:12] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  142. # [18:12] <paulc_> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  143. # [18:12] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  144. # [18:12] <glenn> ACTION-220?
  145. # [18:12] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-220
  146. # [18:12] <trackbot> ACTION-220 -- Paul Cotton to work with Matthew to get an editor's draft submitted to the WG for proposed adaptive image element -- due 2012-08-16 -- OPEN
  147. # [18:12] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/220
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  149. # [18:13] <glenn> Topic: New Issues This Week
  150. # [18:13] <glenn> Non
  151. # [18:13] <glenn> s/Non/None/
  152. # [18:13] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  153. # [18:13] <glenn> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
  154. # [18:13] <glenn> ISSUE-194?
  155. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-194
  156. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
  157. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
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  159. # [18:13] <glenn> ISSUE-183?
  160. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-183
  161. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- closed
  162. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
  163. # [18:14] <glenn> ISSUE-206?
  164. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-206
  165. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-206 -- Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? -- open
  166. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206
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  168. # [18:14] <glenn> sam: covered later in agenda
  169. # [18:14] <plh> zakim, passcode?
  170. # [18:14] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), plh
  171. # [18:14] <glenn> Topic: Items Closing This Week
  172. # [18:14] <glenn> ISSUE-204?
  173. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-204
  174. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
  175. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
  176. # [18:14] <Zakim> +??P17
  177. # [18:14] <glenn> sam: closing tomorrow
  178. # [18:14] <plh> zakim, ??p17 is me
  179. # [18:14] <Zakim> +plh; got it
  180. # [18:14] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  181. # [18:14] * plh zakim, mute me
  182. # [18:14] * Zakim plh should now be muted
  183. # [18:14] <glenn> ISSUE-131?
  184. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  185. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  186. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  187. # [18:14] <glenn> sam: extended CPs until tomorrow
  188. # [18:14] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  189. # [18:14] * Zakim sees on the phone: hober, jaymunro, glenn, Sam, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], Cynthia_Shelly, plh (muted), Radhika_Roy
  190. # [18:15] * Zakim [Microsoft] has eliot
  191. # [18:15] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  192. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  193. # [18:15] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  194. # [18:15] <glenn> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  195. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Mike
  196. # [18:15] <glenn> ISSUE-206?
  197. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-206
  198. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-206 -- Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? -- open
  199. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206
  200. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Judy
  201. # [18:15] <glenn> sam: have an objection and two new proposals
  202. # [18:15] <glenn> ... lots of good discussion
  203. # [18:15] <glenn> ... c/q?
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  205. # [18:15] <glenn> Topic: New Calls This Week
  206. # [18:16] <glenn> None
  207. # [18:16] <glenn> Topic: New Surveys This Week
  208. # [18:16] <glenn> None
  209. # [18:16] <glenn> Topic: Decisions This Week
  210. # [18:16] <glenn> ISSUE-183?
  211. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-183
  212. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element -- closed
  213. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
  214. # [18:16] <glenn> sam: CfC passed, no further changes needed
  215. # [18:16] <glenn> ... now closed
  216. # [18:16] <glenn> ISSUE-158?
  217. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-158
  218. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- HTML4's content-model for <object> should continue -- open
  219. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158
  220. # [18:16] <Zakim> -Mike
  221. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  222. # [18:16] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  223. # [18:16] <Zakim> +Mike
  224. # [18:17] <glenn> sam: chairs evaluated survey and published decision
  225. # [18:17] <glenn> ... will be applied by new editor team
  226. # [18:17] <glenn> Topic: Other Business
  227. # [18:17] <glenn> ISSUE-30?
  228. # [18:17] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  229. # [18:17] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
  230. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
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  234. # [18:17] <glenn> sam: was to go to survey after 194 done, no futher updates from authors
  235. # [18:17] <Zakim> +??P8
  236. # [18:17] <MikeSmith> q?
  237. # [18:17] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  238. # [18:17] <glenn> ... janina and judy like more time
  239. # [18:17] <glenn> ... chairs would like more info on this
  240. # [18:17] <Judy> q+
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  244. # [18:18] <glenn> MikeSmith: talked about this on TF call, judy will speak about this
  245. # [18:18] <rubys> ack next
  246. # [18:18] * Zakim sees Judy at the head of the speaker queue
  247. # [18:18] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  248. # [18:18] <glenn> Judy: the TF is also involved on this
  249. # [18:18] <glenn> ... [author] is aware of concerns
  250. # [18:18] <janina> zakim, ??P8 is Janina
  251. # [18:18] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
  252. # [18:19] <glenn> ... decision on 204, not yet available
  253. # [18:19] <glenn> ... TF expects may affect position on issue 30
  254. # [18:19] <glenn> ... TF needs time after 204 decision to add any adjustments derived from that
  255. # [18:19] <glenn> ... PFWG may also have interest
  256. # [18:20] <glenn> ... do not expect Aug 17th to be adequate
  257. # [18:20] <glenn> ... uncertain on what date to start counting additional time
  258. # [18:20] <glenn> ... wants to note this is a slow month with many vacations
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  260. # [18:21] <glenn> Janina: Laura will be on vacation... so have an "August" problem
  261. # [18:21] <glenn> sam: would like more specifics and template for 204 decision plus X number of days
  262. # [18:21] <glenn> Judy: a coordination request is under way
  263. # [18:22] <glenn> sam: needs to be "on list"
  264. # [18:22] <glenn> Judy: happy to put items on list
  265. # [18:22] <glenn> ... this is a long-pending issue with lots of complications
  266. # [18:22] <glenn> sam: any more c/q?
  267. # [18:22] <Judy> s/is under way/is pending/
  268. # [18:22] <glenn> ISSUE-131?
  269. # [18:22] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  270. # [18:22] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  271. # [18:22] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
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  274. # [18:23] <glenn> Janina: status blockage on 201 which affects 131
  275. # [18:23] <glenn> ISSUE-201?
  276. # [18:23] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  277. # [18:23] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
  278. # [18:23] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
  279. # [18:23] <glenn> Janina: several folks have found a flaw, and waiting for response from Ted (hober) and Frank
  280. # [18:23] <glenn> ... within one line of text for an agreement
  281. # [18:24] <glenn> sam: how much additional time needed for 131?
  282. # [18:24] <glenn> Janina: not sure, but not a lot
  283. # [18:24] <paulc_> q+
  284. # [18:24] * Zakim sees paulc_ on the speaker queue
  285. # [18:24] <rubys> ack paulc_
  286. # [18:24] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  287. # [18:24] <glenn> paulc_: wants to understand dependency between 131 and 201
  288. # [18:25] <glenn> ... this is first time chairs have heard this
  289. # [18:25] <glenn> Janina: possibly mistaken...
  290. # [18:25] <glenn> paulc_: position is issues 201 and 131 are independent
  291. # [18:25] <glenn> s/position/position of chairs/
  292. # [18:26] <glenn> hober: Frank has replied on 201 on list and said text looks good
  293. # [18:26] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0055.html
  294. # [18:26] <glenn> ... [ted] is looking at it right now
  295. # [18:26] <glenn> ... not sure all of changes rich and steve asked for
  296. # [18:27] <glenn> sam: asks ted if there is linkage between 131 and 201
  297. # [18:27] <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html#ISSUE-131
  298. # [18:27] <glenn> hober: doesn't think there is a depednency
  299. # [18:27] <glenn> s/depednecy/dependency/
  300. # [18:27] <glenn> Janina: could be wrong
  301. # [18:27] <glenn> sam: any more comments on 201/131?
  302. # [18:28] <glenn> paulc_: replying to frank's email now
  303. # [18:28] <glenn> ... asks ted if this will allow CfC on single change proposal?
  304. # [18:28] <glenn> hober: i hope so
  305. # [18:28] <rubys> s/paulc_: replying/ted: replying/
  306. # [18:28] <glenn> ISSUE-164?
  307. # [18:28] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-164
  308. # [18:28] <trackbot> ISSUE-164 -- remove or modify hgroup -- open
  309. # [18:28] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164
  310. # [18:29] <glenn> paulc_: missing date for "part 5"
  311. # [18:29] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0153.html
  312. # [18:29] <glenn> ... looks like 4 or 5 of the proposals will be updated or not touched
  313. # [18:29] <glenn> ... first 5 question survey
  314. # [18:30] <glenn> ... will contact author of 5th proposal
  315. # [18:30] <glenn> ISSUE-195?
  316. # [18:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-195
  317. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-195 -- Enhance http request generation from forms -- open
  318. # [18:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195
  319. # [18:30] <glenn> sam: cameron is looking to review proposal, but working it on vacation
  320. # [18:30] <glenn> s/... asks ted/paulc_: asks ted/
  321. # [18:30] <glenn> ISSUE-206?
  322. # [18:30] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-206
  323. # [18:30] <trackbot> ISSUE-206 -- Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? -- open
  324. # [18:30] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206
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  326. # [18:31] <glenn> sam: lots of good discussion on possible merge of CPs
  327. # [18:31] <glenn> sam: reintroduced a new CP, differs significantly from ted's CP
  328. # [18:31] <glenn> ... MikeSmith sees hope for two merging
  329. # [18:31] <glenn> paulc_: 3 CPs posible decreasing to 2?
  330. # [18:32] <glenn> sam: author of third (Mike) seems willing to observed merge of other 2
  331. # [18:32] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
  332. # [18:32] <glenn> sam: active good discussion, worth letting it continue
  333. # [18:33] <glenn> janina: thinks overnight mail from [?] deals with 80%
  334. # [18:33] <rubys> s/[?]/Mike/
  335. # [18:33] <glenn> Judy: some pending concerns about user requirements
  336. # [18:33] <glenn> ... encouraged by discussion, but last 20% may be difficult
  337. # [18:34] <glenn> [was that Judy or Laura speaking?]
  338. # [18:34] * rubys that was Judy
  339. # [18:34] <glenn> sam: any more on 206?
  340. # [18:34] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0228.html
  341. # [18:34] <glenn> sam: Where to Send Other Bugs for Now
  342. # [18:34] <glenn> ... discussing with new editors process for bugs
  343. # [18:34] <glenn> ... see above link
  344. # [18:35] <glenn> Topic: AOB
  345. # [18:35] <paulc_> q+
  346. # [18:35] * Zakim sees paulc_ on the speaker queue
  347. # [18:35] <glenn> NOne
  348. # [18:35] <rubys> ack next
  349. # [18:35] * Zakim sees paulc_ at the head of the speaker queue
  350. # [18:35] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  351. # [18:35] <glenn> s/NOne/paulc_: notes TPAC registration is open/
  352. # [18:35] <paulc_> TPAC registration is open: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Jul/0244.html
  353. # [18:36] <glenn> ... HTML WG will meet on TH/FR of that week
  354. # [18:36] <glenn> ... same location in Lyon as 2 years ago
  355. # [18:37] <glenn> glenn: notes reg fees go up on Oct16 from 45 to 135 Euro per day
  356. # [18:37] <glenn> sam: any AOB?
  357. # [18:37] <glenn> Topic: Scribe for Next Meeting
  358. # [18:38] <glenn> sam: will be mjs turn to chair
  359. # [18:38] <glenn> Topic: Adjournment
  360. # [18:38] <glenn> sam: adjourned
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  362. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Mike
  363. # [18:38] <Zakim> - +1.858.735.aaaa
  364. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  365. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Sam
  366. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  367. # [18:38] <Zakim> -hober
  368. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  369. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Janina
  370. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Judy
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  372. # [18:38] <Zakim> -jaymunro
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  374. # [18:38] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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  376. # [18:38] <glenn> rrsagent, draft minutes
  377. # [18:38] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/02-html-wg-minutes.html glenn
  378. # [18:39] <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
  379. # [18:39] * trackbot is ending a teleconference
  380. # [18:39] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  381. # [18:39] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been hober, jaymunro, glenn, Sam, eliot, [Microsoft], paulc, Cynthia_Shelly, plh, Radhika_Roy, Mike, Judy, +1.858.735.aaaa, Janina,
  382. # [18:39] <Zakim> ... Laura_Carlson
  383. # [18:39] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  384. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/02-html-wg-minutes.html trackbot
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  386. # [18:39] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  387. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/26-html-wg-actions.rdf :
  388. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> ACTION: Paul to work with Matthew to get an editor's draft submitted to the WG for proposed adaptive image element [1]
  389. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/07/26-html-wg-irc#T16-29-13
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  391. # [18:39] <Zakim> -plh
  392. # [18:39] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  393. # [18:39] * Zakim sees on the phone: glenn, [Microsoft.a]
  394. # [18:39] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  395. # [18:39] <plh> zakim, drop glenn
  396. # [18:39] <Zakim> glenn is being disconnected
  397. # [18:39] <Zakim> -glenn
  398. # [18:39] <plh> zakim, drop microsoft
  399. # [18:39] <Zakim> sorry, plh, I do not see a party named 'microsoft'
  400. # [18:40] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  401. # [18:40] * Zakim sees on the phone: [Microsoft.a]
  402. # [18:40] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  403. # [18:40] <plh> zakim, drop microsoft.a
  404. # [18:40] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] is being disconnected
  405. # [18:40] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  406. # [18:40] <Zakim> Attendees were hober, jaymunro, glenn, Sam, eliot, [Microsoft], paulc, Cynthia_Shelly, plh, Radhika_Roy, Mike, Judy, +1.858.735.aaaa, Janina, Laura_Carlson
  407. # [18:40] <plh> zakim, bye
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