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  108. # [18:09] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  109. # [18:09] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  110. # [18:09] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  111. # [18:09] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  113. # [18:09] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  114. # [18:09] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  115. # [18:09] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  116. # [18:09] <trackbot> Date: 23 August 2012
  117. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Sam
  118. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  119. # [18:10] <Eliot> zakim, microsoft has me
  120. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  121. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  122. # [18:10] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft has me
  123. # [18:10] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  124. # [18:11] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  125. # [18:11] <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
  126. # [18:11] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  127. # [18:11] <hober> ScribeNick: hober
  128. # [18:11] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  129. # [18:12] <krisk> zakim, Microsoft.aa is krisk
  130. # [18:12] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  131. # [18:12] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0021.html
  132. # [18:13] <hober> Topic: Action items due by Thursday, August 23
  133. # [18:13] <hober> ACTION-220?
  134. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-220
  135. # [18:13] <trackbot> ACTION-220 -- Adrian Bateman to work with Matthew to get an editor's draft submitted to the WG for proposed adaptive image element -- due 2012-08-24 -- OPEN
  136. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/220
  137. # [18:13] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0022.html
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  139. # [18:13] <hober> rubys: update from adrian; his new target is tomorrow
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  141. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: New Issues This Week:
  142. # [18:14] <hober> rubys: there are none
  143. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: Items Closed Last Week
  144. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-30?
  145. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  146. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
  147. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
  148. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> zakim, call Mike
  149. # [18:14] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  150. # [18:14] <hober> rubys: call for updated Change Proposals target was Aug 17
  151. # [18:14] <hober> rubys: we've moved that to the 30th
  152. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: Items Closing This Week
  153. # [18:14] <hober> rubys: there are none
  154. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: Items Closing Next Week
  155. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-131?
  156. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  157. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  158. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  159. # [18:14] <hober> rubys: CfC closes August 30
  160. # [18:14] <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
  161. # [18:14] <Zakim> sorry, MikeSmith, I do not see a party named 'Mike'
  162. # [18:14] <hober> ISSUE-201?
  163. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  164. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
  165. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
  166. # [18:15] <hober> rubys: CfC closes August 30
  167. # [18:15] <hober> ... we have a request for extension
  168. # [18:15] <MikeSmith> Zakim, code?
  169. # [18:15] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MikeSmith
  170. # [18:15] <hober> ... Issue31cMetaGeneratorUpdated CfC closes August 30
  171. # [18:15] <hober> ... a request from ted to interpret that narrowly; i agree
  172. # [18:15] <hober> Topic: New Calls this week
  173. # [18:15] <hober> ISSUE-131?
  174. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  175. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  176. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  177. # [18:15] <hober> rubys: CfC mentioned above
  178. # [18:16] <hober> ISSUE-201?
  179. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  180. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
  181. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
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  183. # [18:16] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  184. # [18:16] <hober> ... Issue31cMetaGeneratorUpdated CfC
  185. # [18:16] <hober> rubys: new calls all closing august 30th
  186. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Zakim, [IPcalled] is me
  187. # [18:16] <Zakim> sorry, MikeSmith, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcalled]'
  188. # [18:16] <hober> Topic: New Surveys this week
  189. # [18:16] <MikeSmith> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
  190. # [18:16] <Zakim> +MikeSmith; got it
  191. # [18:16] <hober> rubys: none
  192. # [18:16] <hober> Topic: Decisions this week
  193. # [18:16] <hober> rubys: none
  194. # [18:16] <hober> Topic: Task Force Reports
  195. # [18:16] <hober> Topic: Testing Task Force
  196. # [18:17] <hober> krisk: updated the wiki with a list of approved tests in the suite
  197. # [18:17] <krisk> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing
  198. # [18:17] <hober> krisk: we now have 3744 approved tests
  199. # [18:17] <hober> krisk: we met as planned last week
  200. # [18:17] <krisk> Notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Aug/0010.html
  201. # [18:17] <hober> ... we agreed bug 18505 & 18522 are indeed test bugs and will be fixed
  202. # [18:18] * hober krisk: could you paste in bug links?
  203. # [18:18] <hober> krisk: had a long git & hg conversation
  204. # [18:18] <krisk> sure..
  205. # [18:18] <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18505
  206. # [18:18] <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18522
  207. # [18:18] * hober thanks
  208. # [18:18] <hober> krisk: our git mirror is read-only; mercurial is read-write
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  210. # [18:19] <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17891
  211. # [18:19] <hober> ... some progress on bug 17891
  212. # [18:19] <hober> ... looks like ff may revert their decision
  213. # [18:19] <hober> ... which means we may revert to our previous behavior for compat
  214. # [18:19] <hober> ... we meet again next week
  215. # [18:20] <hober> Topic: Accessibility Task Force
  216. # [18:20] <hober> MikeSmith: we had some discussion about ISSUE-204, so did PF
  217. # [18:20] <hober> ... PFWG will be communicating back to the HTML WG chairs about the 204 decision
  218. # [18:20] <hober> ... the TF wasn't involved in that
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  220. # [18:21] <hober> ... also discussed ISSUE-30
  221. # [18:21] <hober> ... made a bit of progress on ISSUE-131 and ISSUE-201
  222. # [18:21] <hober> ISSUE-201?
  223. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  224. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
  225. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
  226. # [18:21] <hober> ISSUE-131?
  227. # [18:21] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  228. # [18:21] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  229. # [18:21] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
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  231. # [18:21] <hober> MikeSmith: rich has been driving these issues from the TF side
  232. # [18:22] <hober> ... rich has no problem with deferring ISSUE-131 to HTML.next
  233. # [18:22] <hober> ... hopefully we can get consensus in the WG on that so we can move on
  234. # [18:22] <hober> ... rich thinks it's important to get ISSUE-201 implemented and shipped in browsers in the html5 timeframe
  235. # [18:22] <hober> ... rich is confident that implementors will make it happen
  236. # [18:23] <hober> MikeSmith: I'm skeptical
  237. # [18:23] <rubys> we have a call for consensus http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0381.html
  238. # [18:23] <hober> rubys: on ISSUE-201, we have a CfC on a CP authored by Ted
  239. # [18:23] <hober> ... likely consensus, though we have one request for extension
  240. # [18:23] <hober> MikeSmith: discussed this on the TF call, see the minutes
  241. # [18:24] <hober> ... others have spent a lot of time reaching consensus on this
  242. # [18:24] <hober> ... it would be disappointing to see the momentum slow down
  243. # [18:24] <hober> ... we have pretty good agreement among implementors
  244. # [18:25] <hober> ... the likelihood of a new proposal getting such consensus is low
  245. # [18:25] <hober> ... rich has spent time working with charles on this, and took an action item to talk to charles about this
  246. # [18:25] <hober> ... should have an update by next week's call
  247. # [18:25] <MikeSmith> q?
  248. # [18:25] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  249. # [18:25] <hober> Topic: Media Task Force
  250. # [18:26] <hober> Topic: Other Business
  251. # [18:26] <hober> ISSUE-30?
  252. # [18:26] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  253. # [18:26] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
  254. # [18:26] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
  255. # [18:27] <hober> rubys: there's been talk with plh, judy, and others
  256. # [18:27] <hober> ... new target is august 30th for updates
  257. # [18:27] <hober> ... survey will start on 31 august
  258. # [18:27] <hober> Topic: public permissive proposed CR exit criteria
  259. # [18:27] <hober> rubys: this is a third option
  260. # [18:27] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0294.html
  261. # [18:27] <hober> ... discussion seems to be slowing down; will likely CfC once it winds down
  262. # [18:28] <hober> Topic: updated editors drafts from the new editor teams
  263. # [18:28] <rubys> decisions applied to date: ISSUE-170 ISSUE-187 ISSUE-189 ISSUE-199 ISSUE-204; possibly also ISSUE-150?
  264. # [18:28] <hober> rubys: new drafts are up; they have fixes for a number of decisions
  265. # [18:28] <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/
  266. # [18:28] <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/2dcontext/
  267. # [18:29] <hober> rubys: hopefully we'll be able to do another heartbeat publication in early september
  268. # [18:29] <hober> Topic: canvas IDL issues
  269. # [18:29] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0314.html
  270. # [18:29] <hober> rubys: post from one of the canvas editors about making some idl changes
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  272. # [18:29] <hober> ... will presume people are ok with it if no comments are received
  273. # [18:30] <hober> Topic: Scribe for next meeting
  274. # [18:30] <hober> rubys: no volunteers
  275. # [18:30] <hober> Topic: Adjournment
  276. # [18:30] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  277. # [18:30] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  278. # [18:30] <Zakim> -Sam
  279. # [18:31] <Zakim> -hober
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  281. # [18:31] <Zakim> -MikeSmith
  282. # [18:31] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  283. # [18:31] <hober> rubys: we are adjourned
  284. # [18:31] <Zakim> -krisk
  285. # [18:31] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  286. # [18:31] <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, Sam, Eliot, [Microsoft], jaymunro, hober, krisk, MikeSmith
  287. # [18:32] <hober> RRSAgent: generate minutes
  288. # [18:32] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/23-html-wg-minutes.html hober
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