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  112. # [18:08] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  113. # [18:08] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  114. # [18:08] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  115. # [18:08] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  117. # [18:08] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  118. # [18:08] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  119. # [18:08] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  120. # [18:08] <trackbot> Date: 30 August 2012
  121. # [18:08] <adrianba> zakim, who is one the phone?
  122. # [18:08] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, adrianba.
  123. # [18:08] <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone?
  124. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft]
  125. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Sam
  126. # [18:09] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has TravisLeithead, adrianba
  127. # [18:09] <Zakim> +TravisLeithead, adrianba; got it
  128. # [18:09] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0024.html
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  131. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  132. # [18:10] <Eliot> zakim, microsoft.a has me
  133. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
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  136. # [18:11] <Zakim> +mjs
  137. # [18:11] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.a has me
  138. # [18:11] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  139. # [18:11] <erikadoyle> zakim, microsoft.a has me
  140. # [18:11] <Zakim> +erikadoyle; got it
  141. # [18:11] <rubys> scribe: rubys
  142. # [18:12] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  143. # [18:12] <rubys> topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, August 30
  144. # [18:12] <hober> Zakim, Apple is hober
  145. # [18:12] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  146. # [18:12] <rubys> mjs: none
  147. # [18:12] <rubys> topic: New Issues This Week
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  149. # [18:13] <rubys> mjs: none, but still one outstanding tracker request
  150. # [18:13] <rubys> topic: Items Closed Last Week
  151. # [18:13] <rubys> mjs: none
  152. # [18:13] <rubys> topic: Items Closing This Week
  153. # [18:13] <rubys> issue-131?
  154. # [18:13] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-131
  155. # [18:13] <trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
  156. # [18:13] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
  157. # [18:13] <rubys> mjs: call for consensus closes today; the call is to defer; the authors of the proposals agree with that approach; to date nobody has objected
  158. # [18:13] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
  159. # [18:14] <rubys> mjs: if you do object, please back a proposal or create a new one
  160. # [18:14] <rubys> issue-201?
  161. # [18:14] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  162. # [18:14] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
  163. # [18:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
  164. # [18:14] <rubys> mjs: CfC also closes today; we have a specific proposal that the participants agreed on; we did have an objection but that was withdrawn; there are no active objections
  165. # [18:15] <rubys> mjs: if you do have an objection, time is short, we are not likely to be receptive to extensions to start with drafting an entirely new proposal
  166. # [18:15] <rubys> issue-206?
  167. # [18:15] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-206
  168. # [18:15] <trackbot> ISSUE-206 -- Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? -- open
  169. # [18:15] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206
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  172. # [18:16] <rubys> mjs: this is a call for consensus on only part of the issue; specifically to remove the exception. Once this is done, we will continue to proceed with the remainder of the issue. To date, we have some comments but no objection.
  173. # [18:16] <rubys> mjs: questions or comments?
  174. # [18:16] <rubys> issue-30?
  175. # [18:16] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-30
  176. # [18:16] <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute for images -- open
  177. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
  178. # [18:16] <rubys> mjs: at the request of the team, the chairs granted extra time
  179. # [18:16] <Zakim> + +1.613.287.aaaa
  180. # [18:17] <MartinSoukup> zakim, aaaa is MartinSoukup
  181. # [18:17] <Zakim> +MartinSoukup; got it
  182. # [18:17] <rubys> sam: we had talks with Tim yesterday, and got direction to proceed UNLESS we hear back from Tim again before 5pm eastern
  183. # [18:18] <rubys> laura: I have worked on another version, but I don't know what the outcome of the TF meeting today is
  184. # [18:19] <rubys> laura: will the chairs allow for a call for consensus
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  186. # [18:19] <rubys> sam: the plan is to proceed at 5pm eastern unless we have feedback from tim
  187. # [18:19] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  188. # [18:19] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  189. # [18:19] <Zakim> +Plh
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  191. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> zakim, call Mike
  192. # [18:19] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  193. # [18:19] <Zakim> +Mike
  194. # [18:20] <paulc_> zakim, what is the code?
  195. # [18:20] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc_
  196. # [18:20] <rubys> mjs: (to laura) I would encourage putting that proposal forward. We might consider a day or two extension
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  199. # [18:20] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  200. # [18:20] <paulc_> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] has paulc
  201. # [18:20] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  202. # [18:20] <rubys> mjs: has the proposal been sent out to the task force?
  203. # [18:21] <rubys> laura: yes, they were supposed to have talked about it
  204. # [18:21] <rubys> mjs: the chairs will meet after the telecon
  205. # [18:21] <Zakim> +??P7
  206. # [18:21] <paulc_> There were no objections on the TF to the current text but Judy informed the TF that there is more changes to be made.
  207. # [18:21] <Zakim> +Judy
  208. # [18:21] <plh> q+
  209. # [18:21] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  210. # [18:21] <rubys> ack next
  211. # [18:21] * Zakim sees plh at the head of the speaker queue
  212. # [18:21] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  213. # [18:21] <rubys> plh: you will have feedback from the director before 5pm
  214. # [18:22] <rubys> judy: what was the issue?
  215. # [18:22] <laura> New text: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Talk:ChangeProposals/InstateLongdesc
  216. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: issue-30 and the call for updating change proposals that closes today
  217. # [18:22] <rubys> mjs: laura indicated that the TF needs more time
  218. # [18:23] <paulc_> q+
  219. # [18:23] * Zakim sees paulc_ on the speaker queue
  220. # [18:24] <paulc_> TF minutes: http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-html-a11y-minutes.html
  221. # [18:24] <rubys> judy: I was still on the other call; the updated language is in place for all issues but one. That one is to clarify the context of disputed 204 decision; that is pending input from the Director in response to the expedited Formal Objection.
  222. # [18:24] <paulc_> There was NO objection on the TF meeting to the current revised proposal.
  223. # [18:24] <rubys> zakim, who is making noise?
  224. # [18:24] <Zakim> rubys, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Judy (41%), mjs (40%)
  225. # [18:24] <paulc_> q-
  226. # [18:24] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  227. # [18:25] <Zakim> -Plh
  228. # [18:25] <paulc_> I took myself off the queue
  229. # [18:25] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  230. # [18:25] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  231. # [18:25] <Zakim> +Plh
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  233. # [18:25] <rubys> mjs: we would be hesitant to allow unbounded extra time
  234. # [18:26] <rubys> judy: there may be a misunderstanded, this would not be unbounded, nor would it wait on a full resolution of 204, we expect this to be done in the short term.
  235. # [18:26] <paulc_> q+
  236. # [18:26] * Zakim sees paulc_ on the speaker queue
  237. # [18:27] <rubys> ack next
  238. # [18:27] * Zakim sees paulc_ at the head of the speaker queue
  239. # [18:27] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  240. # [18:27] <rubys> paulc: if the Director decides not to act, would you still need more time?
  241. # [18:27] <rubys> judy: we still would need to put a brief clarifying sentence in place
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  243. # [18:28] <paulc_> q-
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  245. # [18:28] <rubys> judy: if he decides to act, we would also need to make changes; each of these is several business days
  246. # [18:28] <rubys> mjs: how much extra time?
  247. # [18:29] <MikeSmith> q?
  248. # [18:29] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  249. # [18:29] <rubys> judy: it depends on when the director would make a decision and what the decision is; 3 business days max
  250. # [18:30] <rubys> laura: would a call for consensus for the current text be on top of that?
  251. # [18:30] <rubys> judy: there wasn't a decision made in the call
  252. # [18:31] <rubys> judy: this proposal has already been supported twice, and the additional text doesn't change the substance, and nobody expressed an objection
  253. # [18:31] <paulc_> q+
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  255. # [18:32] <paulc_> q-
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  257. # [18:32] <rubys> we only need 48 business hours, which can be done in parallel and therefore under the 3 business day unbrella
  258. # [18:32] <rubys> judy: the decision may be tuesday, and we would need to add 3 business days from there
  259. # [18:33] <rubys> mjs: the director has indicated that if he provides any input, it will be by 5pm eastern today
  260. # [18:33] <rubys> plh: the director will respond by 5pm today
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  262. # [18:34] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  263. # [18:34] <rubys> judy: I don't believe that the 5pm deadline came up before
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  266. # [18:34] <rubys> sam: the 5pm deadline was given by PLH on the mailing list
  267. # [18:34] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0346.html
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  270. # [18:35] <paulc_> and Judy was the first name in the To: field of that email
  271. # [18:35] <rubys> laura: mjs can you summarize what you think the plan is?
  272. # [18:36] <rubys> mjs: the chairs will wait for input from the director by 5pm eastern, and will proceed based on that direction
  273. # [18:36] <Judy> q+
  274. # [18:36] * Zakim sees Judy on the speaker queue
  275. # [18:36] <rubys> ack next
  276. # [18:36] * Zakim sees Judy at the head of the speaker queue
  277. # [18:36] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  278. # [18:37] <rubys> judy: this has to do with the progress on the Formal Objection
  279. # [18:37] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Aug/0402.html
  280. # [18:37] <paulc_> q+
  281. # [18:37] * Zakim sees paulc_ on the speaker queue
  282. # [18:38] <rubys> laura: if you hear from the director at 5pm when will we hear from the chairs?
  283. # [18:38] <rubys> mjs: probably sometime tonight
  284. # [18:38] <rubys> paulc_: I'll be on a plane
  285. # [18:38] <rubys> mjs: we will respect any input we give from the Director
  286. # [18:39] <rubys> sam: no later than 2pm eastern on Tuesday?
  287. # [18:39] <hober> Zakim, who is making noise?
  288. # [18:40] <Zakim> hober, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Judy (81%), Radhika_Roy (9%), Plh (9%)
  289. # [18:40] <rubys> judy: no major objection, just some details that need to be worked
  290. # [18:40] * plh zakim, mute me
  291. # [18:40] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  292. # [18:40] <hober> Zakim, mute Radhika_Roy
  293. # [18:40] <Zakim> Radhika_Roy should now be muted
  294. # [18:40] <rubys> mjs: any other input related to issue 30?
  295. # [18:41] <rubys> topic: Items Closing Next Week
  296. # [18:41] <rubys> mjs: none
  297. # [18:41] <rubys> topic: New Calls this week
  298. # [18:41] <rubys> mjs: none
  299. # [18:41] <rubys> topic: New Surveys this week
  300. # [18:41] <rubys> mjs: none yet, but issue 30 is coming soon unless we get input otherwise
  301. # [18:41] <rubys> topic: Decisions this week
  302. # [18:41] <rubys> mjs: none
  303. # [18:42] <rubys> topic: Other Business
  304. # [18:42] <rubys> issue-150?
  305. # [18:42] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-150
  306. # [18:42] <trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points -- closed
  307. # [18:42] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150
  308. # [18:42] <rubys> mjs: these changes are done, ted asked for confirmation that the changes made are sufficient?
  309. # [18:42] <rubys> issue-201?
  310. # [18:42] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-201
  311. # [18:42] <trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing capability to fallback content -- open
  312. # [18:42] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
  313. # [18:43] <rubys> mjs: this was mentioned earlier, and the objection we got was withdrawn
  314. # [18:43] <rubys> mjs: any other comments?
  315. # [18:43] <rubys> issue-206?
  316. # [18:43] * trackbot getting information on ISSUE-206
  317. # [18:43] <trackbot> ISSUE-206 -- Should HTML5 have a meta generator exception to the alt requirement? -- open
  318. # [18:43] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/206
  319. # [18:43] <rubys> msg: there is continuing discussion on what replacement gain consensus.
  320. # [18:43] <rubys> s/msg/mjs/
  321. # [18:44] <rubys> mjs: sam asked whether or not a warning would suffice as a teachable moment and be ok with validator developers?
  322. # [18:45] <rubys> mjs: anything else to be discussed with regard to the renaming aspect?
  323. # [18:45] <rubys> janina: what I haven't gotten back to is whether any particular marking needs to persist with the document
  324. # [18:46] <rubys> mjs: please inject that into the email discussion
  325. # [18:46] <rubys> mjs: any other comments related to 206?
  326. # [18:46] <rubys> mjs: any additional other business items?
  327. # [18:46] <rubys> topic: Scribe for next meeting
  328. # [18:46] <rubys> mjs: any volunteers?
  329. # [18:47] <rubys> mjs: if you are a regular and haven't scribed before, it is a good experience
  330. # [18:47] <rubys> mjs: moving on... if you want to volunteer, respond to the minutes
  331. # [18:47] <rubys> topic: Adjournment
  332. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  333. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Mike
  334. # [18:47] <Zakim> -??P7
  335. # [18:47] <Zakim> -MartinSoukup
  336. # [18:47] * Parts: janina (janina@69.140.165.18)
  337. # [18:47] <rubys> rrsagent, publish minutes
  338. # [18:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/30-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  339. # [18:47] * Quits: laura (laura@131.212.213.192) (Quit: laura)
  340. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Plh
  341. # [18:47] <Zakim> -mjs
  342. # [18:47] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  343. # [18:47] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  344. # [18:47] <Zakim> -hober
  345. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Judy
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  347. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
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  349. # [18:48] <Zakim> -Sam
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  351. # [18:49] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  352. # [18:49] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  353. # [18:49] <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, TravisLeithead, adrianba, [Microsoft], Eliot, mjs, jaymunro, erikadoyle, hober, Laura_Carlson, +1.613.287.aaaa, MartinSoukup, Plh, Mike, paulc, Judy,
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