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  19. # [02:19] <gitbot> [html] rubys pushed 1 new commit to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/79dfa8d9d8e671dd82f76475052d166de8ccdebb
  20. # [02:19] <gitbot> [html/feature/whatwg] [giow] (3) Attempt to actually define what Referer headers are used for a whole host of things that were poorly defined. Also: cleanup of a bunch of editorial mistakes I found from past such attempts. Mark every fetch algorithm use for sanity in the future. Block data:, javascript:, and about:blank referrers. Note: This relies on not-yet-done changes to CORS and XHR. - ianh
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  124. # [17:13] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/de93fbbf837d...bba15d7017c3
  125. # [17:13] <gitbot> [html/master] clarify get/set access to attribute - see https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18286 - Robin Berjon
  126. # [17:13] <gitbot> [html/master] less cryptic wording for https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18286 - Robin Berjon
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  146. # [18:05] <JingHao> zakim,qw3birc is Jinghao
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  149. # [18:09] <hober> Zakim, this will be html
  150. # [18:09] <Zakim> html matches both WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)9:00AM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
  151. # [18:09] <hober> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  152. # [18:09] <Zakim> ok, hober, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  153. # [18:09] <hober> RRSAgent: make logs public
  154. # [18:09] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, hober
  155. # [18:09] <hober> ScribeNick: hober
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  157. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  158. # [18:10] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  159. # [18:10] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  160. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Plh
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  164. # [18:11] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  165. # [18:11] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  166. # [18:11] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  167. # [18:11] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  168. # [18:11] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  169. # [18:11] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  170. # [18:11] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  171. # [18:11] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  172. # [18:11] <trackbot> Date: 13 September 2012
  173. # [18:11] <hober> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0027.html
  174. # [18:12] <krisk> zakim, Microsoft is krisk
  175. # [18:12] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  176. # [18:12] <hober> Chair: rubys
  177. # [18:12] <Zakim> +Sam
  178. # [18:12] <rubys> zakim, who is on the phone?
  179. # [18:12] <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P18, [Apple], Cynthia_Shelly, Plh, krisk, Sam
  180. # [18:12] <JingHao> zamik,interjh is JingHao
  181. # [18:12] <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
  182. # [18:12] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  183. # [18:12] <Zakim> +Barbara
  184. # [18:13] <hober> Topic: Task Force Reports
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  186. # [18:14] <hober> Topic: Testing Task Force
  187. # [18:14] <hober> krisk: met as planned
  188. # [18:14] <hober> ... bug 17891
  189. # [18:14] <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17891
  190. # [18:14] <Zakim> +??P22
  191. # [18:14] <hober> ... spec was changed, we're not sure why
  192. # [18:14] <hober> ... firefox will change their behavior
  193. # [18:14] <janina> zakim, ??P22 is Janina
  194. # [18:14] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
  195. # [18:14] <hober> ... spec should be reverted
  196. # [18:15] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  197. # [18:15] <hober> ... updated the wiki with newly approved tests
  198. # [18:15] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  199. # [18:15] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  200. # [18:15] <hober> ... approved a bunch more tests at recent meeting
  201. # [18:15] <hober> ... mostly html5lib tests
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  203. # [18:15] <hober> Zakim, mute Janina
  204. # [18:15] <Zakim> Janina should now be muted
  205. # [18:15] <hober> ... submissions from baidu on contenteditable="" and design mode
  206. # [18:15] <hober> ... intel has also submitted more tests
  207. # [18:16] <hober> ... <audio> and <video> tests
  208. # [18:16] <Barbara> zakim, Barbara is me
  209. # [18:16] <Zakim> +Barbara; got it
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  211. # [18:16] <hober> ... Test The Web Forward right before TPAC this year
  212. # [18:16] <hober> ... hoping to get some tests for the htmlwg there
  213. # [18:16] <Zakim> +Eliot
  214. # [18:16] <hober> Topic: Accessibility Task Force
  215. # [18:16] <hober> krisk: met as planned
  216. # [18:16] <hober> ... bug 17891
  217. # [18:16] <hober> ... spec was changed, we're not sure why
  218. # [18:16] <hober> ... firefox will change their behavior
  219. # [18:16] <hober> ... spec should be reverted
  220. # [18:16] <hober> ... updated the wiki with newly approved tests
  221. # [18:16] <hober> ... approved a bunch more tests at recent meeting
  222. # [18:16] <hober> ... mostly html5lib tests
  223. # [18:17] <hober> Zakim, mute Janina
  224. # [18:17] <Zakim> Janina was already muted, hober
  225. # [18:17] <janina> I think I'm not muted.
  226. # [18:17] <hober> ... submissions from baidu on contenteditable="" and design mode
  227. # [18:17] <hober> ... intel has also submitted more tests
  228. # [18:17] <rubys> zakim, unmute janina
  229. # [18:17] <Zakim> Janina should no longer be muted
  230. # [18:17] <hober> ... <audio> and <video> tests
  231. # [18:17] <hober> ... Test The Web Forward right before TPAC this year
  232. # [18:17] <janina> I will call back in, something with the RTP
  233. # [18:17] <hober> ... hoping to get some tests for the htmlwg there
  234. # [18:17] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  235. # [18:17] <hober> whoops, sorry
  236. # [18:17] <hober> Zakim, unmute janina
  237. # [18:17] <Zakim> Janina was not muted, hober
  238. # [18:17] <hober> Zakim, unmute janina
  239. # [18:17] <Zakim> Janina was not muted, hober
  240. # [18:17] <hober> Topic: Accessibility Task Force
  241. # [18:17] <hober> janina: had a productive meeting
  242. # [18:18] <hober> ... issue-204 seems to be moving forward; thanks to everyone who has helped
  243. # [18:18] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  244. # [18:18] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  245. # [18:18] <hober> ... not all the way there yet
  246. # [18:18] <hober> ... cynthia will be coming up with some language
  247. # [18:18] <hober> ... we may need until the next pf call next wednesday
  248. # [18:18] <hober> ... from the pf perspective it shouldn't take longer than that
  249. # [18:18] <hober> ... re: issue-30, we're also getting close on that
  250. # [18:19] <hober> ... providing a top-level summary etc. for InstateLongdesc proposal
  251. # [18:19] <hober> ... text subteam meeting is next tuesday
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  254. # [18:19] <gitbot> [html] rubys pushed 3 new commits to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/79dfa8d9d8e6...d3584e4fd47f
  255. # [18:19] <gitbot> [html/feature/whatwg] [e] (0) update for CORS - ianh
  256. # [18:19] <gitbot> [html/feature/whatwg] [e] (0) fork updates - ianh
  257. # [18:20] <gitbot> [html/feature/whatwg] [e] (0) Try to merge the fix from w3c bug 18286, but with wording that is consistent with the next paragraph and other parts of the spec, and wording that is less ambiguous about what 'while they don't apply' binds to. - ianh
  258. # [18:20] <hober> ... those are the main issues under focus in the tf
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  261. # [18:20] <hober> Topic: Media Task Force
  262. # [18:20] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  263. # [18:20] <hober> paulc: continue to meet every 2 weeks
  264. # [18:20] <erikadoyle> zakim, Microsoft.a has me
  265. # [18:20] <Zakim> +erikadoyle; got it
  266. # [18:20] <hober> ... two items
  267. # [18:21] <hober> ... impacted by summer vacations
  268. # [18:21] <hober> ... the media services meeting this past tuesday was cancelled due to travel etc.
  269. # [18:21] <hober> ... the encrypted media group made significant advances 10 days ago at last meeting
  270. # [18:21] <hober> ... 3 co-editors of that spec have assigned all the remaining bugs
  271. # [18:21] <hober> ... are making progress on proposing resolutions on them
  272. # [18:22] <hober> ... media services spec has received wider review; doubled bug count
  273. # [18:22] <hober> ... want to make a first pass on all of the bugs before bringing back to the wider wg
  274. # [18:22] <hober> ... estimating fpwd before tpac, but will depend on progress the editors make
  275. # [18:22] <hober> ... making excellent progress
  276. # [18:23] <hober> Topic: Other Business
  277. # [18:23] <hober> Topic: Adaptive Image Element Proposal
  278. # [18:23] <hober> rubys: document out for review: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/tip/responsive-images/responsive-images.html
  279. # [18:23] <hober> rubys: please provide comments if you have any
  280. # [18:23] <hober> Topic: Evolving AppCache discussions
  281. # [18:23] <hober> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Sep/0060.html
  282. # [18:23] <hober> rubys: request for new mailing list; discussing using [topic] tags in subject line instead
  283. # [18:24] <hober> Topic: Proposed rewording of ISSUE-204 text
  284. # [18:24] <hober> rubys: a cut at the wording is in the spec now
  285. # [18:24] <hober> ... further revisions can proceed as bug reports
  286. # [18:24] <paulc> q+
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  289. # [18:24] <hober> ack paulc
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  291. # [18:24] <rubys> ack next
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  294. # [18:24] <hober> paulc: maybe the chairs should give a report on heartbeat docs
  295. # [18:24] <janina> q+janina
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  298. # [18:25] <hober> ... the chairs have approached the editors of the various specs to see if we can publish heartbeat docs by the end of the month
  299. # [18:25] <hober> ... had wanted to stabilize docs by 9/15
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  301. # [18:25] <hober> ... plan will probably slip by a week
  302. # [18:26] <hober> ... it's more likely that a CfC will go out a week from this coming monday, the 24th
  303. # [18:26] <hober> ... that CfC will last a week
  304. # [18:26] <hober> ... aiming to publish in early october
  305. # [18:26] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
  306. # [18:26] <hober> ... should also talk about TPAC arrangements
  307. # [18:26] <Zakim> + +1.617.482.aaaa
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  309. # [18:26] <hober> ... i will revive the email thread
  310. # [18:27] <hober> ... to make sure people are aware of registration, hotels, etc.
  311. # [18:27] <hober> ... we're scheduled to meet thu/fri at tpac, like in the last couple of years
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  313. # [18:27] <Wilto> Mat Marquis here. Joining a bit late; sorry.
  314. # [18:27] <hober> ... same venue in lyon as in 2010
  315. # [18:27] <hober> Judy: any opportunity for call-ins?
  316. # [18:27] <hober> paulc: i'll check
  317. # [18:28] <Judy> s/Judy/Janina/
  318. # [18:28] <hober> janina: we had gregory on the phone 2 years ago
  319. # [18:28] <hober> s/Janina/Cynthia/
  320. # [18:28] * Judy notes that I am not on the phone, so that wasn't me saying that; perhaps was Janina
  321. # [18:28] <hober> paulc: the meeting will likely be run in an unconference-style
  322. # [18:28] <hober> ... won't know what the schedule will be until the first day
  323. # [18:29] <hober> plh: we can put a polycom in the room if needed
  324. # [18:29] <hober> paulc: i'll take an action item to point out the tpac info to the wg
  325. # [18:29] <hober> paulc: cynthia, could you respond to that email with a request for telcon infrastructure
  326. # [18:29] <rubys> ack next
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  329. # [18:29] <hober> janina: question about adaptive images
  330. # [18:29] <hober> ... pf needs to prioritize looking at this
  331. # [18:30] <hober> ... is it in 5.0, or .next, or do we not know?
  332. # [18:30] <hober> rubys: will proceed on a separate track, so might be inbetween
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  334. # [18:30] <hober> paulc: i think the operative question is how are we going to move this work item forward
  335. # [18:31] <hober> ... should it have a bugzilla component, etc.
  336. # [18:31] <adrianba> q+
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  338. # [18:31] <hober> paulc: i can take this offline with Wilto and figure out what our plan is
  339. # [18:31] <hober> ... & then to propose the plan to the wg
  340. # [18:31] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  341. # [18:32] <rubys> ack next
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  344. # [18:32] <hober> adrianba: just want to lend support for creating a bugzilla component for this
  345. # [18:32] <hober> rubys: likely uncontroversial
  346. # [18:33] <hober> paulc: i'll email mike smith to make a component
  347. # [18:33] <hober> Topic: Scribe for next meeting
  348. # [18:33] <hober> rubys: any volunteers?
  349. # [18:34] <hober> paulc: if i'm not chairing, i'll scribe
  350. # [18:34] <hober> Topic: Adjournment
  351. # [18:34] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  352. # [18:34] <Zakim> -adrianba
  353. # [18:34] <Zakim> -Eliot
  354. # [18:34] <Zakim> -Plh
  355. # [18:34] <Zakim> -Sam
  356. # [18:34] <Zakim> - +1.617.482.aaaa
  357. # [18:34] <Zakim> -hober
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  359. # [18:34] <Zakim> -Janina
  360. # [18:34] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  361. # [18:34] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  362. # [18:34] <Zakim> -krisk
  363. # [18:35] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  364. # [18:35] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  365. # [18:35] <paulc> rrsagent, generate mintues
  366. # [18:35] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'generate mintues', paulc. Try /msg RRSAgent help
  367. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Barbara.a
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  369. # [18:35] <krisk> rrsagent, generate minutes
  370. # [18:35] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/13-html-wg-minutes.html krisk
  371. # [18:35] * hober plh paulc (or whoever speaks rrsagent better than i do): i could use some help cleaning up the minutes; i accidentally copied-and-pasted some of the minutes back into the channel
  372. # [18:36] * plh looks
  373. # [18:36] * hober look for "Topic: Accessibility"; you'll find two of them
  374. # [18:36] * hober the stuff between the two of them is extraneous iirc
  375. # [18:37] * plh it's the stuff from bitbot that you want to remove?
  376. # [18:38] * hober nope, the stuff between <hober> Topic: Accessibility Task Force and <hober> whoops, sorry
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  393. # [19:13] <hober> plh: looks good, thanks
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  427. # [22:23] <gitbot> [html] erikadoyle created wd (+1 new commit): https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/89d5ea63abb0
  428. # [22:23] <gitbot> [html/wd] Establishing wd branch with in-progress publishing changes for upcoming html5 heartbeat draft. - Erika Doyle Navara
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  441. # [23:43] <gitbot> [html/master] Updated reference for [PPUTF8] - Erika Doyle Navara
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