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  4. # [00:19] <gitbot> [html] rubys pushed 1 new commit to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/437ed50458283a59fa6f29aad9117d257b0a88ce
  5. # [00:19] <gitbot> [html/feature/whatwg] [giow] (1) Also sandbox the initial about:blank document of an <iframe sandbox>. Also, much cleanup. - ianh
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  14. # [01:19] <gitbot> [html] rubys pushed 3 new commits to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/437ed5045828...f43ac3f0bce8
  15. # [01:19] <gitbot> [html/feature/whatwg] [giow] (3) radio buttons in different DOM trees can't possibly be related to each other - ianh
  16. # [01:19] <gitbot> [html/feature/whatwg] [giow] (3) Compatibility - ianh
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  21. # [01:55] <gitbot> [html] erikadoyle pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/aa3df1287c28a249de82aa564547cc778bef1fa0
  22. # [01:55] <gitbot> [html/master] Updating name of W3 mailing list for monitoring changes in CVS - Erika Doyle Navara
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  44. # [05:07] <gitbot> [html] cabanier pushed 1 new commit to html5_canvas: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/27499c4acc54e60b832572f659c5bb1ef7b39ab1
  45. # [05:07] <gitbot> [html/html5_canvas] [e] Various small fixes - Rik Cabanier
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  51. # [05:34] <gitbot> [html] cabanier pushed 3 new commits to html5_canvas: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/27499c4acc54...2cde1db13a18
  52. # [05:34] <gitbot> [html/html5_canvas] Adjust Anolis and html5lib install instructions, and some other README.md cleanup. - Edward O'Connor
  53. # [05:34] <gitbot> [html/html5_canvas] [README] explain how to set up auto-rebasing. - Edward O'Connor
  54. # [05:34] <gitbot> [html/html5_canvas] Updating name of W3 mailing list for monitoring changes in CVS - Erika Doyle Navara
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  127. # [18:09] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  128. # [18:09] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
  129. # [18:09] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  130. # [18:09] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  132. # [18:09] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  133. # [18:09] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  134. # [18:09] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  135. # [18:09] <trackbot> Date: 27 September 2012
  136. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Sam
  137. # [18:10] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  138. # [18:10] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  139. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Plh
  140. # [18:11] <cabanier> zakim , who is on the phone?
  141. # [18:12] <cabanier> zakim, who is on the phone?
  142. # [18:12] <Zakim> On the phone I see cabanier, Sam, Plh
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  148. # [18:12] <plh> scribe: plh
  149. # [18:13] <Barbara> zakim, aabb is Barbara
  150. # [18:13] <Zakim> +Barbara; got it
  151. # [18:13] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  152. # [18:13] <plh> agenda+ Plan 2014
  153. # [18:13] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  154. # [18:13] <Eliot> zakim, microsoft has me
  155. # [18:13] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  156. # [18:13] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
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  165. # [18:15] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  166. # [18:15] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  167. # [18:15] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  168. # [18:15] <adrianba> zakim, mute me
  169. # [18:15] <Zakim> adrianba should now be muted
  170. # [18:15] <plh> Chair: Maciej
  171. # [18:15] <plh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JulSep/0033.html
  172. # [18:16] <plh> Maciej: let's cover the new draft of the proposed plan and its related documents
  173. # [18:16] <plh> ... looking for comments
  174. # [18:16] <plh> Topic: Getting HTML to Recommendation in 2014 - Revised
  175. # [18:16] <plh> Maciej: we made a couple of changes in this new version
  176. # [18:16] <mjs> http://intertwingly.net/tmp/html5-2014-plan.html
  177. # [18:16] <plh> Maciej: [going over the changes]
  178. # [18:17] <plh> .. validator
  179. # [18:17] <plh> ... unstable features in html.next
  180. # [18:17] <plh> ... integration of specifications
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  182. # [18:18] <plh> ... also cover in the new draft of the decision policy
  183. # [18:18] <plh> ... at-risk features
  184. # [18:18] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  185. # [18:18] <plh> ... alt techniques
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  187. # [18:19] <plh> ... now remaining in the html wg
  188. # [18:19] <plh> ... changed the plan for hgroup
  189. # [18:19] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft has me
  190. # [18:19] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  191. # [18:19] <plh> ... and it's at risk
  192. # [18:19] <plh> ... fixed pubdate
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  194. # [18:19] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  195. # [18:19] <plh> ... a11y tf clarifications
  196. # [18:20] <plh> ... list of specs under dev
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  198. # [18:20] <plh> ... questions? feedback?
  199. # [18:20] <plh> q?
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  201. # [18:20] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
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  203. # [18:22] <plh> plh: we didn't get comments on the plan during the html a11y call
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  205. # [18:22] <plh> Topic: Proposed CR Exit Criteria
  206. # [18:22] <plh> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/public-permissive-exit-criteria.html
  207. # [18:22] <rubys> a11y tf minutes: http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-html-a11y-minutes.html
  208. # [18:22] <plh> Maciej: still some discussion on the list
  209. # [18:23] <plh> q+
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  211. # [18:23] <janina> q+
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  214. # [18:23] <plh> ack plh
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  216. # [18:23] <plh> Plh: John pointed out that what constitute an implementation isn't clear
  217. # [18:24] <plh> Janina: yes, if it's supported by a third party
  218. # [18:24] <plh> ... told me it was clear but would welcome proposal
  219. # [18:25] <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
  220. # [18:25] <plh> ... also what happened if a feature is exposed to the a11y api but not picked up by it?
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  222. # [18:25] <plh> ... so far, we said it'
  223. # [18:25] <plh> ... s enough if exposed
  224. # [18:25] <rubys> q+ to ask if we have a schedule for proposed changes to the exit criteria
  225. # [18:25] * Zakim sees janina, rubys on the speaker queue
  226. # [18:25] <plh> ... and not picked up by the a11y api yet
  227. # [18:25] <plh> ack janina
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  229. # [18:26] <plh> Janina: the mapping isn't a normative deliverable, and peharps some of that should be normative in the 5.1 timeframe
  230. # [18:26] <plh> ack ru
  231. # [18:26] <Zakim> rubys, you wanted to ask if we have a schedule for proposed changes to the exit criteria
  232. # [18:26] <mjs> ack rubys
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  235. # [18:26] <plh> Sam: do we have a schedule for proposed changes, but not a schedule
  236. # [18:27] <plh> Janina: we kind of gave him the default of a week, but could be sooner
  237. # [18:27] <plh> Maciej: sooner would be good to allow us to move on
  238. # [18:27] <plh> ... so sooner the better
  239. # [18:27] <plh> Sam: we're hoping to go for a CfC earkly next week
  240. # [18:27] <rubys> s/earkly/early/
  241. # [18:28] <plh> Maciej: one concern was about one month period was appropriate
  242. # [18:29] <plh> ... [...]
  243. # [18:29] <plh> ... added " is suitable for a person to use as his/her primary means of accessing the Web"
  244. # [18:30] <plh> ... we have a not fully reserved from Microsoft about who can report results from Internet Explorer
  245. # [18:30] <plh> s/reserved/resovled/
  246. # [18:30] <plh> s/resovled/resolved/
  247. # [18:31] <plh> Janina: was discussed in html a11y. if implementation by third party, the claim would be against the add-on module
  248. # [18:31] <plh> ... does it satisfy Microsoft concern?
  249. # [18:31] <adrianba> q+
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  251. # [18:32] <plh> ack adrian
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  254. # [18:32] <plh> Adrian: I already suggested if there is more than one vendor involved, one would be sufficient. we're concerned about past reports against IE
  255. # [18:33] <plh> ... and some of the features are not necessarily ready
  256. # [18:34] <plh> Maciej: one concern about non official reports, and the other was about the features
  257. # [18:35] <plh> Macie: the test suite is under a liberal license so can't prevent reports, but we can control the messaging
  258. # [18:35] <plh> ... ie not endorsing results
  259. # [18:36] <plh> Adrian: there is a difference between people publishing test results on their blogs and having a page on the w3c site
  260. # [18:36] <plh> ... the official page for implementation report should only accept test results from the vendors
  261. # [18:36] <plh> Maciej: we could make sure that everybody had a chance to comment on the results
  262. # [18:37] <plh> ... I don't want Apple to be the only org to submit test results about safari, and I'd rather address the messaging problem
  263. # [18:38] <plh> ... there is also a point where we submit official test results and give a chance to comment on test results
  264. # [18:40] <plh> Adrian: I'll continue to reply on the list
  265. # [18:40] <adrianba> zakim, mute me
  266. # [18:40] <Zakim> adrianba should now be muted
  267. # [18:40] <plh> Topic: Proposed Decision Policy Changes
  268. # [18:40] <plh> Maciej: also includes the previous round of changes
  269. # [18:40] <plh> .. questions?
  270. # [18:40] <rubys> http://intertwingly.net/tmp/html5-2014-plan.html#dp
  271. # [18:41] <plh> ... Integration of Extensions during CR
  272. # [18:41] <mjs> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v3.html#cr-integration
  273. # [18:41] <plh> ... Removing some at-risk features early in CR
  274. # [18:41] <mjs> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v3.html#cr-remove-early
  275. # [18:41] <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v3.html#cr-integration
  276. # [18:41] <plh> Topic: Wiki page for proposing at-risk features
  277. # [18:42] <plh> Maciej: we encourage people to add to those lists
  278. # [18:42] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/HTML5.0AtRiskFeatures
  279. # [18:42] <plh> ... including comments whether a feature should be at risk or not
  280. # [18:42] <plh> ... we'll need to freeze the list for our move to CR
  281. # [18:43] <mjs> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ExtensionSpecifications
  282. # [18:43] <plh> Topic: list of extension specifications
  283. # [18:43] <plh> q+
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  285. # [18:44] <plh> ack plh
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  287. # [18:44] <plh> Plh: this list is just for the html wg?
  288. # [18:44] <plh> Maciej: I think so
  289. # [18:45] <plh> Plh: I guess we'll need a list more general at some point
  290. # [18:45] <plh> Sam: I don't a master plan for that yet
  291. # [18:45] <plh> s/don't/don't have/
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  293. # [18:46] <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
  294. # [18:46] <plh> Topic: Next meeting
  295. # [18:46] <plh> Maciej: scribe?
  296. # [18:47] <plh> [adjourned]
  297. # [18:47] <Zakim> -adrianba
  298. # [18:47] * plh rrsagent, generate minutes
  299. # [18:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/09/27-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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  301. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Plh
  302. # [18:47] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  303. # [18:47] <Zakim> -mjs
  304. # [18:47] <Zakim> -cabanier
  305. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Sam
  306. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Janina
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  310. # [18:48] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  311. # [18:48] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  312. # [18:48] <Zakim> Attendees were cabanier, Sam, Plh, +1.415.595.aaaa, +49.322.110.8.aabb, Barbara, Eliot, Janina, mjs, [Microsoft], adrianba, Cynthia_Shelly, jaymunro, Radhika_Roy
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  343. # [21:19] <gitbot> [html] rubys pushed 1 new commit to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/b1fed6df689d788b34cce6bb3abf5663b0b1c2fd
  344. # [21:19] <gitbot> [html/feature/whatwg] [e] (0) People ask about this example sometimes. - ianh
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  350. # [21:59] <gitbot> [html/master] [HTML5 Bug 18904 cont'd] Further updates to more accurately reflect the current sources, locations, and update cadences of HTML5 work - Erika Doyle Navara
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  356. # [22:25] <gitbot> [html/html5_canvas] [HTML5 Bug 18904 cont'd] Further updates to more accurately reflect the current sources, locations, and update cadences of HTML5 work - Erika Doyle Navara
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