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  76. # [11:35] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 4 new commits to CR: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/ead7e4c0f318...5c05c1b44b97
  77. # [11:35] <gitbot> html/CR 76c6db8 Robin Berjon: resolve conflict
  78. # [11:35] <gitbot> html/CR d464b4c Robin Berjon: at risk content; MD boilerplate
  79. # [11:35] <gitbot> html/CR 54fd3c7 Robin Berjon: appcache at risk; CR exit criteria
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  91. # [11:59] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 2 new commits to CR: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/5c05c1b44b97...6777199a662f
  92. # [11:59] <gitbot> html/CR 7dbd87d Robin Berjon: Revert "[agiow] (0) Fix autocomplete features based on recent feedback."...
  93. # [11:59] <gitbot> html/CR 6777199 Robin Berjon: revert merge blunder
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  97. # [12:13] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to FPWD51: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/6c47ee5be7adcc651f4f1913811ce107223774e1
  98. # [12:13] <gitbot> html/FPWD51 6c47ee5 Robin Berjon: remove autogenerated file
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  101. # [12:14] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to CR: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/58f7493b24857c12d30d91e2acc1174c5f26ee69
  102. # [12:14] <gitbot> html/CR 58f7493 Robin Berjon: remove autogenerated file
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  106. # [12:14] <gitbot> html/master 674f0de Robin Berjon: remove autogenerated file
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  111. # [12:24] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to editorial_fixes: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/ca883e6f7dae9cf6732a9fa5902fe8d826f423ca
  112. # [12:24] <gitbot> html/editorial_fixes ca883e6 ianh: incorporate unstyled XML documents
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  115. # [12:26] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to editorial_fixes: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/f35ad5ac6fc7cde65e5bae47a7f6001ff4f48b27
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  123. # [12:41] <gitbot> html/editorial_fixes dab090a Robin Berjon: include note about XSLT from Norm
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  128. # [12:53] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 8 new commits to CR: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/58f7493b2485...33feb48f9b1b
  129. # [12:53] <gitbot> html/CR 1f6f25c Silvia Pfeiffer: [Editorial] Adding further corrections from whatwg commit 7260...
  130. # [12:53] <gitbot> html/CR eee789e ianh: [e] (0) More examples...
  131. # [12:53] <gitbot> html/CR f7ba808 Silvia Pfeiffer: [e] (0) Fix to MPEG-4 media file track parsing....
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  135. # [12:59] <gitbot> html/FPWD51 f4e71ac Robin Berjon: include note about XSLT from Norm...
  136. # [12:59] <gitbot> html/FPWD51 19a6332 ianh: [e] (0) More examples...
  137. # [12:59] <gitbot> html/FPWD51 50ef601 Silvia Pfeiffer: [e] (0) Fix to MPEG-4 media file track parsing....
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  141. # [13:01] <gitbot> html/FPWD51 bb76fc3 Robin Berjon: remove HTML4POLICE
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  145. # [13:01] <gitbot> html/master 92208d2 Robin Berjon: remove HTML4POLICE...
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  149. # [13:03] <gitbot> html/master 501d97e ianh: [e] (0) More examples...
  150. # [13:03] <gitbot> html/master a5d6624 Silvia Pfeiffer: [e] (0) Fix to MPEG-4 media file track parsing....
  151. # [13:03] <gitbot> html/master 54b8dc9 ianh: [c] (1) Make the <track default> element restrictions make more sense...
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  154. # [13:14] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/7b1742f5353b...60470d0e0186
  155. # [13:14] <gitbot> html/master 5bbb01a Robin Berjon: update boilerplate for the 5.1 lifeline
  156. # [13:14] <gitbot> html/master 60470d0 Robin Berjon: also change TRNAME
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  165. # [15:15] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to editorial_fixes: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/8e4ccd9130ff3b6fd2661d92e0882f8cd2cf1f8b
  166. # [15:15] <gitbot> html/editorial_fixes 8e4ccd9 Robin Berjon: make editors linkable for Comm
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  183. # [17:45] <adrianba> trackbot, start telcon
  184. # [17:45] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference
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  186. # [17:45] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-html-wg-irc
  187. # [17:45] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  188. # [17:45] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  190. # [17:45] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  191. # [17:45] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  192. # [17:45] <trackbot> Date: 06 December 2012
  193. # [17:45] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
  194. # [17:46] <adrianba> zakim, this will be html_wg
  195. # [17:46] <Zakim> ok, adrianba; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
  196. # [17:46] <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
  197. # [17:46] <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
  198. # [17:46] <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
  199. # [17:46] <adrianba> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012OctDec/0019.html
  200. # [17:46] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  201. # [17:46] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  202. # [17:47] <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
  203. # [17:47] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, adrianba
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  206. # [17:56] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  207. # [17:56] <Zakim> +??P0
  208. # [17:57] <glenn> zakim, ??p0 is me
  209. # [17:57] <Zakim> +glenn; got it
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  213. # [18:00] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  214. # [18:00] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  215. # [18:00] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
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  219. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  220. # [18:03] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  221. # [18:03] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  222. # [18:04] <Zakim> +??P19
  223. # [18:04] <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
  224. # [18:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, adrianba, [Microsoft], ??P19
  225. # [18:04] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  226. # [18:04] <janina> zakim, ??P19 is Janina_Sajka
  227. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
  228. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  229. # [18:04] <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
  230. # [18:04] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  231. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
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  234. # [18:05] <krisk> Zakim, Microsoft.a is krisk
  235. # [18:05] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  236. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  237. # [18:06] <Eliot> Zakim, microsoft.a has me
  238. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  239. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  240. # [18:06] <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
  241. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see glenn, adrianba, [Microsoft], Janina_Sajka, hober, krisk, cabanier, [Microsoft.a], [Microsoft.aa]
  242. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  243. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  244. # [18:06] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.aa has me
  245. # [18:06] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
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  247. # [18:07] * adrianba ready
  248. # [18:08] <adrianba> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, December 6
  249. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
  250. # [18:08] <adrianba> ACTION-223?
  251. # [18:08] * trackbot getting information on ACTION-223
  252. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-223 -- Paul Cotton to figure out how extension specs can refer to HTML 5.1 -- due 2012-11-08 -- CLOSED
  253. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/223
  254. # [18:08] <adrianba> paulc: i put this off last week to remind myself of the context
  255. # [18:08] <adrianba> ... we decided during the media call on tuesday that this was unnecessary
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  257. # [18:08] <adrianba> ... so i closed the action and don't expect further action is needed
  258. # [18:08] <adrianba> TOPIC: New Issues This Week
  259. # [18:09] <adrianba> paulc: none
  260. # [18:09] <adrianba> ... tracker requests being postponed
  261. # [18:09] <adrianba> TOPIC: HTML 5.1 and Canvas 2D
  262. # [18:09] <adrianba> paulc: the drafts are being worked on
  263. # [18:09] <adrianba> ... believe this is still a work in progress
  264. # [18:10] <adrianba> Eliot, not done yet but expecting robin will finish today
  265. # [18:10] <adrianba> paulc: as soon as the drafts are ready, we will do a 7 day CfC
  266. # [18:10] <adrianba> ... with goal of publishing on dec 17
  267. # [18:10] <adrianba> ... questions?
  268. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +49.322.110.8.aaaa
  269. # [18:10] <adrianba> TOPIC: HTML Microdata
  270. # [18:10] <adrianba> paulc: we have a candidate CR working draft
  271. # [18:10] <Barbara> zakim, aaaa is Barbara
  272. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Barbara; got it
  273. # [18:10] <adrianba> ... did a call for rationale statements since CfC did not pass
  274. # [18:11] <adrianba> ... manu has provided statements against CR
  275. # [18:11] <adrianba> ... believe we have pro position from Mike Smith
  276. # [18:11] <hober> q+
  277. # [18:11] * Zakim sees hober on the speaker queue
  278. # [18:11] <adrianba> ... some other pro statements on the list
  279. # [18:11] <adrianba> ... original plan was to do preference poll with these statements
  280. # [18:11] <adrianba> ... chairs wondering if are ready for this
  281. # [18:11] <hober> ack
  282. # [18:11] <adrianba> ack next
  283. # [18:11] * Zakim sees hober at the head of the speaker queue
  284. # [18:11] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  285. # [18:12] <adrianba> hober: i posted to the list volunteering for this
  286. # [18:12] <paulc> Ted's email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Dec/0041.html
  287. # [18:12] <adrianba> paulc: i missed that, sorry
  288. # [18:12] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  289. # [18:12] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  290. # [18:12] <adrianba> ... how long will it take to close this
  291. # [18:12] <Zakim> +Plh
  292. # [18:13] <adrianba> hober: i said by end of business tomorrow - i imagine it collating the existing statements rather than new writing
  293. # [18:13] <adrianba> paulc: great, that's what i was hoping for
  294. # [18:13] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  295. # [18:13] * Zakim sees on the phone: glenn, adrianba, [Microsoft], Janina_Sajka, hober, krisk, cabanier, [Microsoft.a], [Microsoft.aa], Radhika_Roy, Barbara, Plh
  296. # [18:13] * Zakim [Microsoft.aa] has jaymunro
  297. # [18:13] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  298. # [18:13] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  299. # [18:13] <adrianba> paulc: anticipate preference poll going out when ted finishes his work
  300. # [18:13] <adrianba> TOPIC: Polyglot Markup: HTML-Compatible XHTML Documents
  301. # [18:13] <adrianba> paulc: here we don't yet have a candidate CR draft
  302. # [18:14] <adrianba> ... asked editors to provide with exit criteria
  303. # [18:14] <adrianba> ... other item pending waiting for a pro statement for publishing this or making it normative
  304. # [18:14] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2012Dec/0003.html
  305. # [18:15] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  306. # [18:15] <adrianba> paulc: Eliot do you know what the situation for exit criteria is?
  307. # [18:16] <adrianba> Eliot: based on discussion with the chairs i thought i didn't need to do this until it was decided if this would go to Rec
  308. # [18:16] * Quits: tantek (~tantek@public.cloak) (tantek)
  309. # [18:16] <adrianba> ... started working on this and might have it soon
  310. # [18:16] * Joins: gitbot (~gitbot@public.cloak)
  311. # [18:16] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/df69216520fc4c15df069a63e842e78302a495b0
  312. # [18:16] <gitbot> html/master df69216 Robin Berjon: boilerplate level 2 and nightly
  313. # [18:16] * Parts: gitbot (~gitbot@public.cloak) (gitbot)
  314. # [18:16] <adrianba> paulc: that's fine - good to do it soon if you can
  315. # [18:16] <adrianba> paulc: wanted to point WG members to the TAG discussion about retaining the original request for polyglot document or not
  316. # [18:17] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Nov/0047.html
  317. # [18:17] * Joins: gitbot (~gitbot@public.cloak)
  318. # [18:17] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to FPWD51: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/6306692cbe44b0f38676a773785e45b679de4cbb
  319. # [18:17] <gitbot> html/FPWD51 6306692 Robin Berjon: level 2 and 5.1 with a space
  320. # [18:17] * Parts: gitbot (~gitbot@public.cloak) (gitbot)
  321. # [18:17] <adrianba> paulc: believe TAG is meeting yesterday or today
  322. # [18:17] <adrianba> ... thread is continuing
  323. # [18:17] <paulc> Recent TAG discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Dec/0034.html
  324. # [18:18] <adrianba> paulc: eliot, i note that larry has asked for you to be engaged in the discussion
  325. # [18:18] <adrianba> Eliot: i sent mail to Noah to see what he thought would be appropriate
  326. # [18:18] <adrianba> ... willing to engage as needed
  327. # [18:18] <adrianba> paulc: two items to worry about - normativity of document and moving to CR
  328. # [18:19] <adrianba> ... yours is about Rec track, adrianba?
  329. # [18:19] <adrianba> adrianba: yes, but i included a note on normative
  330. # [18:19] * darobin Zakim, code?
  331. # [18:19] * Zakim saw 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org) given for the conference code, darobin
  332. # [18:19] <adrianba> paulc: we can hold this for a week or so to see how the TAG closes this down
  333. # [18:20] <adrianba> ... i will track this and will try to get preference poll out once we have appropriate evidence
  334. # [18:20] <adrianba> ... comments?
  335. # [18:20] * plh mutes, while Amy steals the cookies from his office
  336. # [18:20] <adrianba> TOPIC: HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives
  337. # [18:20] <Zakim> +??P51
  338. # [18:20] <darobin> Zakim, ??P51 is me
  339. # [18:20] <Zakim> +darobin; got it
  340. # [18:20] <darobin> Zakim, mute me
  341. # [18:20] <Zakim> darobin should now be muted
  342. # [18:20] <adrianba> paulc: do have canidate CR draft but need exit criteria
  343. # [18:20] <adrianba> ... currently pending work by a11y TF
  344. # [18:20] <adrianba> ... plan 2014 pointed to some work that TF had done
  345. # [18:21] <adrianba> ... discussed on TF meeting this morning
  346. # [18:21] <adrianba> ... janina, can you give us an update?
  347. # [18:21] <adrianba> janina: the outcome of today's discussion was to ask that publication of this be deferred while we resolve issues about alt in this document and the html spec
  348. # [18:21] * Joins: edoyle (~erikadoyle@public.cloak)
  349. # [18:21] <adrianba> ... we will do a CfC based on the telcon
  350. # [18:21] <adrianba> ... expect that we will ask this to be deferred
  351. # [18:22] <adrianba> paulc: one item was that the chairs had encouraged TF to work with editors to get differences resolved
  352. # [18:22] <adrianba> ... but we didn't know the status on the TF this morning
  353. # [18:22] <adrianba> ... wanted to get status from robin or the other editors
  354. # [18:22] * Joins: Stevef (~chatzilla@public.cloak)
  355. # [18:23] <adrianba> paulc: moving this forward to CR is on hold for now waiting for pending work
  356. # [18:23] <adrianba> ... people probably think we don't need a spec overlapping html5 normative language
  357. # [18:23] <adrianba> ... janina, do you agree?
  358. # [18:23] <adrianba> janina: think so
  359. # [18:24] <adrianba> TOPIC: Main Element
  360. # [18:24] <plh> q+ to go back to html5.1 and canvas2d.next
  361. # [18:24] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  362. # [18:24] <adrianba> paulc: CfC passed
  363. # [18:24] <adrianba> ... provisional date is dec 17
  364. # [18:24] <adrianba> TOPIC: ARIA in HTML
  365. # [18:25] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Nov/0147.html
  366. # [18:25] * darobin Stevef: please coordinate with me offline about getting the <main> draft ready next week (so it's easy for the webmaster to just ship on the 17th)
  367. # [18:25] <Zakim> +Tantek
  368. # [18:25] <adrianba> paulc: this is a request to publish as FPWD - waiting for feedback on whether ready for CfC
  369. # [18:25] <Stevef> darobin:ok
  370. # [18:26] <adrianba> janina: i missed the meetings about this so didn't follow up
  371. # [18:26] <adrianba> ... PF did approve but didn't follow-up
  372. # [18:26] <darobin> s/darobin:ok//
  373. # [18:26] <adrianba> ... no reason why we can't do CfC
  374. # [18:26] <adrianba> paulc: plan is to do CfC for publishing of FPWD of using ARIA in HTML
  375. # [18:26] <adrianba> ... will work with janina on this
  376. # [18:27] <adrianba> ... both in task force and working group simultaneously
  377. # [18:27] <adrianba> janina: and in PF
  378. # [18:27] <adrianba> TOPIC: HTML 5.1 and Canvas 2D
  379. # [18:27] <adrianba> ack next
  380. # [18:27] * Zakim sees plh at the head of the speaker queue
  381. # [18:27] <Zakim> plh, you wanted to go back to html5.1 and canvas2d.next
  382. # [18:27] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  383. # [18:27] <paulc> ack plh
  384. # [18:27] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  385. # [18:27] <adrianba> plh: i believe that robin is ready (and he is on the phone)
  386. # [18:28] <adrianba> paulc: can we get the URLs of the stable docs in IRC
  387. # [18:28] <adrianba> plh: yes
  388. # [18:28] <darobin> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/
  389. # [18:28] <plh> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/FPWD51/Overview.html
  390. # [18:28] * darobin tried to speak, but was muted... *sigh*
  391. # [18:28] <plh> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/2dcontext/FPWD51/Overview.html
  392. # [18:28] * darobin Zakim, unmute me
  393. # [18:28] * Zakim darobin should no longer be muted
  394. # [18:29] * adrianba double mute
  395. # [18:29] * Joins: tpod (~tpod@public.cloak)
  396. # [18:29] * darobin can't hear anyone
  397. # [18:29] <plh> Robin, please type in here
  398. # [18:29] * darobin Zakim, mute me
  399. # [18:29] * Zakim darobin should now be muted
  400. # [18:29] <darobin> it looks like it isn't working
  401. # [18:29] <darobin> I'll type
  402. # [18:30] <darobin> those drafts should be okay
  403. # [18:30] <darobin> (not sure if I need to add more)
  404. # [18:30] <darobin> please check that they're correct
  405. # [18:30] <adrianba> paulc: we need to do a separate CfC on publication of these drafts, correct?
  406. # [18:30] <adrianba> plh: correct
  407. # [18:30] <adrianba> paulc: would like to do this today so we can hit dec 17
  408. # [18:30] <adrianba> paulc: think will do two separate CfCs
  409. # [18:30] <darobin> we need to pick a shortname for canvas2d2
  410. # [18:31] <darobin> this can be done outside the call, by executive decision
  411. # [18:31] <plh> "2dcontext-2" ?
  412. # [18:31] <adrianba> paulc: chairs and team will figure out short name
  413. # [18:31] * darobin bikeshedding go!
  414. # [18:31] <adrianba> ... every working draft has a short name
  415. # [18:32] <adrianba> ... plh, for these FPWD does this request have to go to chairs list?
  416. # [18:32] <glenn> c2d
  417. # [18:32] <adrianba> plh: yes, it's FPWD, no directors request just sent to chairs list
  418. # [18:32] <adrianba> paulc: did this happen for main element?
  419. # [18:32] <adrianba> plh: no, not yet
  420. # [18:32] <adrianba> paulc: okay, this needs to happen too
  421. # [18:32] <paulc> 1. Chairs message on main element to chairs@w3.org
  422. # [18:32] * plh "2.2dcontext"
  423. # [18:33] <paulc> 2. Chairs messgae on HTML5.1 and Canvas2D-2 to Chairs@w3.org
  424. # [18:33] * darobin you mean 2.1dcontext :)
  425. # [18:33] <paulc> 3. Cfc on FPWD of HTML 5.1
  426. # [18:33] <paulc> 4. CfC on FPWD of Canvas2D-2
  427. # [18:33] <adrianba> paulc: is this correct?
  428. # [18:34] <paulc> 5. CfC on FPWD of ARIA in HTML (also in PF and A11Y TF)
  429. # [18:34] <paulc> 6. Chairs message on FPWD of ARIA in HTML to chairs@w3.org
  430. # [18:34] <adrianba> ... think this is all the publication things?
  431. # [18:34] <adrianba> plh: what is the minimum duration for canvas2d in CR?
  432. # [18:35] <adrianba> paulc: don't know
  433. # [18:35] <jaymunro> moving to 6mong
  434. # [18:35] <adrianba> plh: was a discussion after CfC about reducing duration
  435. # [18:35] <adrianba> ... think it was only 6 months
  436. # [18:35] <adrianba> ... not sure if acknowledged anywhere
  437. # [18:35] * darobin heard 6 months several times
  438. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Tantek
  439. # [18:36] * darobin editors will need to make sure that that's reflected in the html5_canvas_CR boilerplate (please)
  440. # [18:36] <adrianba> paulc: was this in the archive?
  441. # [18:36] <adrianba> plh: yes but i'm looking for the conclusion of the discussion
  442. # [18:37] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  443. # [18:37] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
  444. # [18:37] <adrianba> paulc: last week's minutes say we had no objections and request to reduce duration of CR
  445. # [18:37] <adrianba> ... and were expecting decision by next week
  446. # [18:38] <jaymunro> I'll change the boilerplate once the decision has been made for shortening to 6 months.
  447. # [18:39] <adrianba> plh: last week sam said decision would be made by this week - are you asking for a CfC now?
  448. # [18:39] <adrianba> paulc: plh, what is your recommendation?
  449. # [18:39] * Quits: tinkster (~tai@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 60 seconds)
  450. # [18:39] <adrianba> plh: one way to go is to see what people on this call think
  451. # [18:39] <adrianba> ... say it will be 6 months unless someone says something on the list within one week
  452. # [18:40] <paulc> From Rik: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Nov/0212.html
  453. # [18:41] <adrianba> paulc: will reply to the thread stating it will be 6 months unless someone objects by some date
  454. # [18:41] <paulc> 7. Chairs to confirm with WG that min duration for Canvas CR will be 6 months
  455. # [18:41] <adrianba> paulc: plh, anything else?
  456. # [18:42] <adrianba> plh: no, sorry for disturbing the agenda
  457. # [18:42] <adrianba> TOPIC: Testing Task Force
  458. # [18:42] <adrianba> krisk: we met on nov 20
  459. # [18:42] <adrianba> ... and we met on tuesday
  460. # [18:42] <krisk> Notes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Dec/0001.html
  461. # [18:42] <krisk> and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2012Dec/0002.html
  462. # [18:42] <adrianba> krisk: here are the notes
  463. # [18:43] <adrianba> ... one thing we agreed is moving towards short names for test organisation
  464. # [18:43] <adrianba> ... this came up a little a tpac
  465. # [18:43] <adrianba> ... 1. this means we don't need metadata in every test
  466. # [18:43] <adrianba> ... 2. it will help understand coverage of tests
  467. # [18:43] <adrianba> ... we spent one meeting for 90 minutes - longer than usual
  468. # [18:43] <adrianba> ... and this week the full hour
  469. # [18:43] <adrianba> ... discussing how to use mercurial better
  470. # [18:44] <adrianba> ... using pull model instead of pushing things in
  471. # [18:44] <adrianba> ... meeting again to make progress on this
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  473. # [18:44] <adrianba> ... more participation
  474. # [18:44] <adrianba> ... that's it
  475. # [18:44] <adrianba> paulc: any questions?
  476. # [18:44] * Joins: tinkster (~tai@public.cloak)
  477. # [18:44] <adrianba> ... krisk, can you give us the most definitive link to work on task force?
  478. # [18:45] <adrianba> krisk: the meeting notes are the best links
  479. # [18:45] <adrianba> paulc: thanks kris
  480. # [18:45] * Quits: tpod (~tpod@public.cloak) (Ping timeout: 60 seconds)
  481. # [18:45] <adrianba> TOPIC: Accessibility Task Force
  482. # [18:46] <adrianba> janina: activity is picking up again with reorg that came with plan 2014
  483. # [18:46] <adrianba> ... people getting clarity of who is doing which piece
  484. # [18:46] <krisk> This is the best link for Testing Task Force Information http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing
  485. # [18:46] * Quits: darobin (rberjon@public.cloak) (Client closed connection)
  486. # [18:46] <adrianba> ... had CfC for longdesc spec that restore old historical one
  487. # [18:46] <adrianba> ... mostly supportive but some objections
  488. # [18:46] <adrianba> ... will summarise and respond to all objections before passing to WG
  489. # [18:46] <adrianba> ... that work is ongoing
  490. # [18:47] <adrianba> janina: already talked about alt text issues a few minutes ago - nothing to add
  491. # [18:47] <adrianba> ... bug triage team continues to meet
  492. # [18:47] <adrianba> ... i'm paying more attention to a11y api mapping subteam
  493. # [18:48] <adrianba> ... deliverable for HTML WG to show how html elements and attributes should map to OS apis
  494. # [18:48] <adrianba> ... important deliverable - difficult to find a meeting time because of location of participants
  495. # [18:48] <adrianba> ... that's where we are
  496. # [18:48] * adrianba think i got it
  497. # [18:48] <adrianba> TOPIC: Media Task Force
  498. # [18:48] <adrianba> paulc: we restarted the meetings
  499. # [18:49] <adrianba> ... high level report is driving the MSE and EME sub groups to get a document in front of WG that could be FPWD as soon as possible
  500. # [18:49] <adrianba> ... MSE met on tuesday, EME met next tuesday
  501. # [18:49] <adrianba> ... for MSE identified 5 or 6 bugs that need to be fixed before FPWD
  502. # [18:49] <adrianba> ... won't go to zero bugs but should be enough for FPWD
  503. # [18:49] <adrianba> ... hoping to achieve the same for EME next week
  504. # [18:50] <adrianba> ... expecting to be ready for CfC for FPWD in January
  505. # [18:50] <Zakim> -darobin
  506. # [18:50] <adrianba> ... talked about a11y TF paying more attention to media TF
  507. # [18:50] <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
  508. # [18:50] <adrianba> paulc: update on public-html-admin
  509. # [18:51] <adrianba> ... list is set-up and is being used for non-technical discussions
  510. # [18:51] <adrianba> ... next item is to get new bugzilla message to go to this list
  511. # [18:51] <adrianba> ... all new CfC discussed today will also go to that list
  512. # [18:51] <glenn> q+
  513. # [18:51] * Zakim sees glenn on the speaker queue
  514. # [18:51] <adrianba> ... leaving public-html for pure technical discussion
  515. # [18:51] * Quits: IanPouncey (~Adium@public.cloak) ("Leaving.")
  516. # [18:52] <adrianba> glenn: i would advise that bugzilla messages go to separate list than admin
  517. # [18:52] <adrianba> paulc: there is a list for this already - WG has previous decision in place asking for new messages only to public-html
  518. # [18:52] <paulc> ack glenn
  519. # [18:52] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  520. # [18:52] <adrianba> ... changing the destination but maintaining that there is a list everyone is subscribed to that gets the new messages
  521. # [18:53] <adrianba> glenn: then i withdraw my comment
  522. # [18:53] <adrianba> paulc: appears to be a request with no responses about publishing their document via the HTML WG
  523. # [18:53] <adrianba> ... added to the agenda because not sure how to process this
  524. # [18:53] <adrianba> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Nov/0173.html
  525. # [18:54] <adrianba> paulc: plh, i wasn't sure how to respond to this - nobody has responded
  526. # [18:54] <adrianba> ... CG has asked about publishing use cases
  527. # [18:54] <adrianba> q+
  528. # [18:54] * Zakim sees adrianba on the speaker queue
  529. # [18:54] <adrianba> plh: seems to me good to publish use cases as WG note
  530. # [18:55] <adrianba> adrianba: haven't had time to respond but we are supportive of moving this forward in HTML WG based on great work in the CG
  531. # [18:56] <adrianba> paulc: so you support publishing both?
  532. # [18:56] <adrianba> adrianba: yes
  533. # [18:56] <adrianba> paulc: this was discussed at TPAC - was the the conclusion to move forward with both specs
  534. # [18:56] <plh> q+
  535. # [18:56] * Zakim sees adrianba, plh on the speaker queue
  536. # [18:56] <adrianba> hober: that's how i remember it
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  538. # [18:56] <plh> ack adrian
  539. # [18:56] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  540. # [18:56] <adrianba> paulc: are you ready to publish or do you want to process bugs?
  541. # [18:57] <paulc> ack p
  542. # [18:57] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  543. # [18:57] <adrianba> hober: i haven't asked for fpwd because i want to process bugs
  544. # [18:57] <adrianba> ... expect to be ready in early january
  545. # [18:57] <adrianba> plh: is the intent to pick a winner down the road or do we see both going to rec
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  547. # [18:57] <adrianba> hober: think given the timeframe for plan 2014 we have a pretty good window of time to figure this out so i'm okay with uncertainty
  548. # [18:58] <adrianba> ... that said, would be easy to merge srcset document
  549. # [18:58] <adrianba> plh: i was thinking about merging the two proposals for responsive images
  550. # [18:58] <adrianba> ... think it would be good in status of documents to give information about expectation of the group
  551. # [18:58] <adrianba> ... because people might wonder about publishing two competing specs
  552. # [18:59] <adrianba> hober: happy to update status in that way
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  554. # [18:59] <adrianba> paulc: i will respond to the msg 173 saying editor of srcset extension proposal has asked for time to process bugs
  555. # [18:59] <adrianba> ... and expect to process CfC on theses docs in early 2013
  556. # [18:59] <adrianba> hober: sounds good
  557. # [18:59] <adrianba> paulc: will move this to admin list
  558. # [19:00] <adrianba> hober: given it is december, expect people will accept early 2013 timeframe
  559. # [19:00] <adrianba> paulc: any other business?
  560. # [19:00] <adrianba> TOPIC: Scribe for next meeting
  561. # [19:00] <adrianba> paulc: expect mjs will chair next week
  562. # [19:00] <adrianba> ... any volunteer to scribe?
  563. # [19:00] <adrianba> plh: i can take notes next week
  564. # [19:00] <Zakim> -Barbara
  565. # [19:00] <adrianba> paulc: thanks plh
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  568. # [19:00] <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
  569. # [19:00] <Zakim> -glenn
  570. # [19:01] <adrianba> paulc: meeting is adjourned
  571. # [19:01] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  572. # [19:01] <Zakim> -cabanier
  573. # [19:01] <Zakim> -hober
  574. # [19:01] <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
  575. # [19:01] <Zakim> -Plh
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  578. # [19:01] <Zakim> -adrianba
  579. # [19:01] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
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  581. # [19:01] <adrianba> zakim, bye
  582. # [19:01] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were glenn, adrianba, paulc, Janina_Sajka, hober, [Microsoft], cabanier, krisk, Eliot, jaymunro, Radhika_Roy, +49.322.110.8.aaaa, Barbara,
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  584. # [19:01] <Zakim> ... Plh, darobin, Tantek
  585. # [19:01] <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
  586. # [19:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/06-html-wg-minutes.html adrianba
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