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  49. # [10:52] <Stevef> trying to negotiate a path through longdesc is well...
  50. # [10:52] <Stevef> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Jan/0096.html
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  87. # [18:02] * hober runs to grab coffee in between the two calls
  88. # [18:02] <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
  89. # [18:03] <glenn> 4865
  90. # [18:03] <paulc> I was testing if Zakim was present.
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  93. # [18:04] <glenn> i thought it was alzheimers :)
  94. # [18:04] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  95. # [18:04] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  97. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-html-wg-irc
  98. # [18:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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  100. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  101. # [18:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  102. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  103. # [18:04] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  104. # [18:04] <trackbot> Date: 17 January 2013
  105. # [18:04] <Zakim> +Radhika_Roy
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  107. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  108. # [18:05] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-html-wg-minutes.html say Rik will scribe.
  109. # [18:05] <Zakim> +cabanier
  110. # [18:05] <Eliot> zakim, microsoft.a has me, Erika, Jay
  111. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Eliot, Erika, Jay; got it
  112. # [18:05] <Zakim> +??P46
  113. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.971.998.aacc
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  115. # [18:06] <Zakim> +??P50
  116. # [18:06] <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
  117. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], +33.9.51.58.aaaa, +1.781.568.aabb, Sam, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], cabanier, ??P46, +1.971.998.aacc, ??P50
  118. # [18:06] <glenn> zakim, ??P46 is me
  119. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot, Erika, Jay
  120. # [18:06] <Zakim> +David_Carlisle
  121. # [18:06] <Zakim> +glenn; got it
  122. # [18:06] <janina> zakim, ??P50 is Janina
  123. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
  124. # [18:06] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  125. # [18:06] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  126. # [18:06] <cabanier> scribenick: cabanier
  127. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  128. # [18:06] <Wilto> zakim, +1.781.568.aabb is Mat Marquis
  129. # [18:06] <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.781.568.aabb is Mat Marquis', Wilto
  130. # [18:06] <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
  131. # [18:06] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  132. # [18:06] <Wilto> Well, I tried.
  133. # [18:06] <hober> Zakim, aabb is Wilto
  134. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Wilto; got it
  135. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Laura_Carlson
  136. # [18:07] <Wilto> thanks, hober.
  137. # [18:07] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013JanMar/0004.html
  138. # [18:07] <yoav> +yoav
  139. # [18:07] * Zakim wonders where yoav is
  140. # [18:07] * hober np
  141. # [18:07] <Zakim> +christian
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  143. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  144. # [18:07] <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
  145. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], +33.9.51.58.aaaa, Wilto, Sam, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], cabanier, glenn, +1.971.998.aacc, Janina, David_Carlisle, hober, Laura_Carlson, christian,
  146. # [18:07] <Zakim> ... [Microsoft.aa]
  147. # [18:07] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  148. # [18:07] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot, Erika, Jay
  149. # [18:07] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] is me
  150. # [18:07] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  151. # [18:07] <glenn> zakim, 1.781.568.aabb is Wilto
  152. # [18:07] <Zakim> sorry, glenn, I do not recognize a party named '1.781.568.aabb'
  153. # [18:08] <yoav> Zakim, +33.9.51.58.aaaa is me
  154. # [18:08] <Zakim> +yoav; got it
  155. # [18:08] <cabanier> topic ACTION items due by Thursday, January 17
  156. # [18:08] <cabanier> topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, January 17
  157. # [18:08] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  158. # [18:08] <cabanier> none
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  160. # [18:08] <adrianba> Regrets+ Daniel_Austin
  161. # [18:08] <cabanier> topic: New Issues This Week
  162. # [18:09] <cabanier> topic: ISSUE-207: Adaptive and responsive images
  163. # [18:09] <paulc> ISSUE-207?
  164. # [18:09] * trackbot is looking up ISSUE-207.
  165. # [18:09] <trackbot> ISSUE-207 -- Adaptive and responsive images -- raised
  166. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/207
  167. # [18:09] <laura_> If the responsive images group wants to pursue incorporating the picture element into HTML5.0, they can do so. But I withdraw my tracker request. I wish them the best.
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  169. # [18:09] <cabanier> paulc: we have a call for consensus which is later on the agenda
  170. # [18:10] <cabanier> paulc: … we updated the assumption for all the other tracker issues
  171. # [18:10] <cabanier> topic: Bug 20082 (Microdata) - Change Microdata specification track to W3C Note
  172. # [18:10] <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20082
  173. # [18:10] <cabanier> paulc: should microdata be a rec or a note? this is also later on the agenda
  174. # [18:10] <cabanier> topic: Bug 12725 (Polyglot) - Document should be on the Note-track
  175. # [18:10] <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12725
  176. # [18:10] <cabanier> paulc: this is the same
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  178. # [18:11] <cabanier> paulc: the chairs are going the preference poll one at a time
  179. # [18:11] <cabanier> paulc: have we done those previously?
  180. # [18:11] <cabanier> paulc: we want to make sure that the survey mechanism is working correctly
  181. # [18:11] <cabanier> paulc: we will do the survey when microdata closes
  182. # [18:12] <cabanier> topic: Bug 12726 (Alt techniques in HTML) - Document should be on the Note-track
  183. # [18:12] <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=12726
  184. # [18:12] <cabanier> paulc: we had a specific request to put this item on hold
  185. # [18:12] <paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0002.html
  186. # [18:13] <cabanier> paulc: Steve Falckner sent the chairs a note to wait until implementation details
  187. # [18:13] <cabanier> paulc: …as of yet no bugs are filed but we expect that they will
  188. # [18:13] <cabanier> paulc: … janina is going to work on this
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  190. # [18:14] <cabanier> paulc: … the chairs are going to leave this as outstanding
  191. # [18:14] <cabanier> topic: Bug 13409 - Defining Entity references for characters in XHTML
  192. # [18:14] <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13409
  193. # [18:14] <cabanier> paulc: we had a proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0021.html
  194. # [18:14] <Zakim> +Tantek
  195. # [18:14] <cabanier> paulc: David Carlisle is going to work with the group on an extension spec
  196. # [18:15] <cabanier> paulc: what is the status of the spec?
  197. # [18:15] <cabanier> davidc: I'm not sure about the procedure
  198. # [18:15] <cabanier> davidc: the spec is not on a rec track
  199. # [18:16] <cabanier> paulc: is it xhtml- pubid?
  200. # [18:16] <paulc> See http://www.w3.org/2003/entities/2007doc/xhtmlpubid.html
  201. # [18:16] <cabanier> davidc: yes
  202. # [18:16] <cabanier> paulc: what should happen to the document?
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  206. # [18:17] <cabanier> paulc: you should take the text from your message but send it to public-html
  207. # [18:17] <cabanier> paulc: and provide your solution
  208. # [18:17] <cabanier> davidc: that sounds good
  209. # [18:17] <Zakim> -Laura_Carlson
  210. # [18:17] <tantek> Zakim, mute tantek
  211. # [18:17] <tantek> Zakim, who is here?
  212. # [18:17] <Zakim> Tantek should now be muted
  213. # [18:18] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], yoav, Wilto, Sam, Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], cabanier, glenn, +1.971.998.aacc, Janina, David_Carlisle, hober, christian, adrianba, [IPcaller],
  214. # [18:18] <Zakim> ... Tantek
  215. # [18:18] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  216. # [18:18] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot, Erika, Jay
  217. # [18:18] <Zakim> On IRC I see tantek, tpod, edoyle, jarek, Marcos2, jaymunro, Barbara, janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, MFoladare, rubys, Eliot, paulc, cabanier, davidc, adrianba, dveditz, Wilto, tinkster,
  218. # [18:18] <Zakim> ... heath, davidb, plh, IanPouncey, ArtB, nonge, Stevef, Lachy
  219. # [18:18] <cabanier> davidc: it would be good that the implementors are aware of the issue
  220. # [18:18] <cabanier> davidc: and if people have comments
  221. # [18:18] <paulc> q?
  222. # [18:18] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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  224. # [18:18] <cabanier> topic: Bug 15213 - Drag-and-drop processing model
  225. # [18:18] <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=15213
  226. # [18:19] <cabanier> paulc: this item was reopened
  227. # [18:19] <cabanier> paulc: I didn't have time to research it
  228. # [18:19] <cabanier> paulc: I wonder what is going on. Sam, do you know?
  229. # [18:20] <cabanier> rubys: … (?)
  230. # [18:20] <cabanier> paulc: so this was raised by john?
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  232. # [18:20] <cabanier> paulc: is there precedent to move from 5.1 to 5.0
  233. # [18:20] <rubys> s/... (?)/we should process as a 5.1 issue/
  234. # [18:21] <cabanier> paulc: we may move this to 5.1 and Sam is going investigate if this is OK and not setting a precedent
  235. # [18:21] <cabanier> paulc: if it's a feature request, we can simply put it in 5.1
  236. # [18:21] <cabanier> topic: Items Closed Last Week
  237. # [18:21] <cabanier> paulc: none
  238. # [18:21] <cabanier> topic:: Items Closing This Week
  239. # [18:22] <cabanier> topic: CfC: to publish Media Source Extensions specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0005.html
  240. # [18:22] <cabanier> paulc: that closed last night and there were no objections
  241. # [18:22] <cabanier> paulc: this CfC has passed
  242. # [18:22] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0039.html
  243. # [18:22] <cabanier> paulc: … so we will publish this
  244. # [18:23] <cabanier> paulc: … Adrian and aaron are the editors and worked with Mike Smith to get this published
  245. # [18:23] <cabanier> paulc: … I will ask for a transition request
  246. # [18:23] <cabanier> paulc: … probably today or tomorrow
  247. # [18:24] <cabanier> topic: Items Closing Next Week
  248. # [18:24] <cabanier> topic: CfC: handle ISSUE-207 responsive-images consistently with Plan 2014 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0020.html
  249. # [18:24] <paulc> ISSUE-207?
  250. # [18:24] * trackbot is looking up ISSUE-207.
  251. # [18:24] <trackbot> ISSUE-207 -- Adaptive and responsive images -- raised
  252. # [18:24] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/207
  253. # [18:25] <cabanier> paulc: there is a fair amound of position taking and there is topical discussion going on
  254. # [18:25] <cabanier> hober: laura is withdrawing her tracker request
  255. # [18:26] <cabanier> Wilto: I'm in the responsive images community group
  256. # [18:26] <Wilto> “If the responsive images group wants to pursue incorporating the picture
  257. # [18:26] <Wilto> element into HTML5.0, they can do so. But I withdraw my tracker request. I wish
  258. # [18:26] <Wilto> them the best.”
  259. # [18:27] <cabanier> Wilto: around 9:10, laura_ said that
  260. # [18:27] <cabanier> paulc: she is not a member of the WG so she can't withdraw
  261. # [18:27] <cabanier> paulc: we will not withdraw the CFC
  262. # [18:27] <rubys> s/so she can't withdraw//
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  264. # [18:28] <cabanier> topic: New Surveys this week
  265. # [18:28] <cabanier> topic: Preference Survey: Microdata Note vs Recommendation Track http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0022.html
  266. # [18:28] <cabanier> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/microdata-status-preference-poll/
  267. # [18:29] <cabanier> paulc: should it be a rec or a note? we have a poll
  268. # [18:29] <cabanier> paulc: .. the interim result 17 yes and 4 no
  269. # [18:29] <paulc> Interim results: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/40318/microdata-status-preference-poll/results
  270. # [18:29] <cabanier> paulc: it looks like the yes vote is in the lead. This is a simple majority vote
  271. # [18:30] <cabanier> topic: Decisions this week
  272. # [18:30] <cabanier> None
  273. # [18:30] <cabanier> topic: Other Business
  274. # [18:30] <cabanier> topic: Status of CfC for Encrypted Media Extensions, ETA next week Current Candidate FPWD (not yet completed):
  275. # [18:30] <cabanier> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media-fpwd.html
  276. # [18:30] <cabanier> paulc: we have a candidate draft document.
  277. # [18:30] <cabanier> paulc: the taskforce has 1 more bug that they need to close. This has delayed the process by a week
  278. # [18:31] <cabanier> paulc: … it will open up next tuesday probable
  279. # [18:31] <cabanier> topic: Publishing Use Cases and <picture> document through HTMLWG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2012Dec/0087.html
  280. # [18:31] <cabanier> paulc: i put this on the agenda to figure out the status
  281. # [18:32] <cabanier> hober: there are 4 to 5 src-set bug and try to work though them
  282. # [18:32] <cabanier> hober: … I don't think <picture> needs to wait for src-set.
  283. # [18:32] <Wilto> http://picture.responsiveimages.org/#relationship-to-srcset
  284. # [18:32] <cabanier> Wilto: looking through the src-set bugs, they are addressed by the picture spec
  285. # [18:32] <cabanier> Wilto: … there is overlap
  286. # [18:33] <cabanier> Wilto: I'm unsure how to coordinate
  287. # [18:33] <cabanier> paulc: maybe someone can give us the list of bugs on src-src
  288. # [18:33] <rubys> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=REOPENED&component=The%20srcset%20attribute&product=HTML%20WG&list_id=4252
  289. # [18:33] <cabanier> s/src-src/src-set
  290. # [18:33] <hober> s/src-set/srcset/
  291. # [18:33] <cabanier> paulc: I suggest that people comment on these bugs
  292. # [18:34] <cabanier> paulc: … there was thinking that we should publish the 2 documents at the same time and that they should point to each other
  293. # [18:34] <cabanier> paulc: … they are 2 proposals for the same use-cases
  294. # [18:35] <Wilto> (Some of the same use-cases.)
  295. # [18:35] <cabanier> paulc: … I wonder if we can wait 2 more weeks until Hober fixes his bugs
  296. # [18:35] <cabanier> Wilto: …(?)
  297. # [18:36] <cabanier> Hober: 2 weeks is fine. I will try to do it faster.
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  300. # [18:36] <cabanier> paulc: the chairs are tracking this
  301. # [18:36] <Wilto> “Where some of the outstanding `srcset` bugs are addressed by the `picture` extension specification, we may not be able to close them without knowing more about the status of the `picture` extension spec.”
  302. # [18:37] <cabanier> ???: there are duplicate bugs between w3c and whatwg bugs
  303. # [18:37] <cabanier> hober: the bugs are cloned so they are linked together
  304. # [18:37] <Wilto> “If `picture` should pass, it would effectively close some of these bugs. If not, they would need to be addressed in another way before the `srcset` bugs can be closed.”
  305. # [18:37] <cabanier> hober: I'm tracking it in both places
  306. # [18:38] <cabanier> paulc: are all the bugs assigned to you, hober?
  307. # [18:38] <cabanier> hober: yes, they are
  308. # [18:38] <cabanier> paulc: thanks yoav for noticing that
  309. # [18:38] <cabanier> topic: HTML core spec bug reorganization
  310. # [18:38] <cabanier> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0014.html
  311. # [18:38] * Marcos2 notes ???: is yoav
  312. # [18:38] <cabanier> paulc: robin started the message about how we can reorg the bugs
  313. # [18:39] <cabanier> paulc: … I want to make it to people's attention that we will move things around
  314. # [18:39] <cabanier> paulc: … most of the bugs are under html5 and many in html.next
  315. # [18:40] <cabanier> paulc: … does anyone have comments or questions? If so, post them to the admin list
  316. # [18:40] <cabanier> topic: CfC: to publish ARIA in HTML specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0006.html
  317. # [18:40] <cabanier> paulc: this cfc passed some time ago and is awaiting publication
  318. # [18:40] <cabanier> paulc: is anyone on the call that can update us?
  319. # [18:40] <cabanier> (silence)
  320. # [18:41] <cabanier> paulc: the transition request for the documents has not been sent to the chairs list yet
  321. # [18:41] <cabanier> paulc: I have 2 pending requests.
  322. # [18:42] <cabanier> paulc: are there any other questions?
  323. # [18:42] <paulc> rrsagent, make minutes
  324. # [18:42] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
  325. # [18:42] <cabanier> topic: Chair/scribe for next meeting
  326. # [18:42] <cabanier> paulc: Maciej will most likely chair
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  328. # [18:42] <cabanier> paulc: who wants to scribe
  329. # [18:43] <cabanier> no scribe volunteer
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  351. # [18:44] <Zakim> -glenn
  352. # [18:44] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  353. # [18:44] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.568.aabb, Sam, Radhika_Roy, cabanier, Eliot, Erika, Jay, +1.971.998.aacc, David_Carlisle, glenn, Janina, paulc, hober, Wilto, Laura_Carlson, christian,
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  355. # [18:45] <cabanier> RRSAgent: make minutes
  356. # [18:45] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/17-html-wg-minutes.html cabanier
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