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  77. # [14:22] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/556da56c44a2be0cabb9eccbe51fe583fcdf4332
  78. # [14:22] <gitbot> html/master 556da56 Steve Faulkner: changed advice on use of h1 elements...
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  99. # [18:05] <glenn> trackbot, start meeting
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  106. # [18:05] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  107. # [18:05] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  108. # [18:05] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  109. # [18:05] <trackbot> Date: 14 February 2013
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  111. # [18:05] <glenn> zakim, who's on the phone?
  112. # [18:05] <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, +1.206.850.aaaa, cabanier, glenn, ??P5
  113. # [18:05] <mjs> hi all
  114. # [18:05] <Zakim> + +1.425.202.aabb
  115. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  116. # [18:05] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft has me
  117. # [18:05] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  118. # [18:05] <ddorwin> zakim, aabb is me
  119. # [18:05] <Zakim> +ddorwin; got it
  120. # [18:06] <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
  121. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see Radhika_Roy, +1.206.850.aaaa, cabanier, glenn, ??P5, ddorwin, [Microsoft]
  122. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has jaymunro
  123. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  124. # [18:06] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  125. # [18:06] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  126. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.626.379.aacc
  127. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Plh
  128. # [18:06] <janina> zakim, ??P5 is Janina
  129. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Janina; got it
  130. # [18:06] <krisk> zakim, Microsoft.a is krisk
  131. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aadd
  132. # [18:06] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  133. # [18:06] <glenn> zakim, mute me
  134. # [18:06] <Zakim> glenn should now be muted
  135. # [18:06] <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aadd is me
  136. # [18:06] <Zakim> +mjs; got it
  137. # [18:08] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  138. # [18:08] * Zakim sees on the phone: Radhika_Roy, +1.206.850.aaaa, cabanier, glenn (muted), Janina, ddorwin, [Microsoft], krisk, +1.626.379.aacc, Plh, mjs
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  141. # [18:09] <mjs> anyone willing to scribe?
  142. # [18:09] <mjs> also, can people hear me?
  143. # [18:09] <krisk> no
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  145. # [18:09] <Zakim> -mjs
  146. # [18:10] <Zakim> +mjs
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  148. # [18:10] <mjs> fiddlesticks
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  150. # [18:11] <glenn> personally, i prefer fiddleheads :)
  151. # [18:11] <Zakim> + +1.408.536.aaee
  152. # [18:11] <krisk> yes
  153. # [18:11] <joesteele> Zakim, aaee is joesteele
  154. # [18:11] <Zakim> +joesteele; got it
  155. # [18:11] <plh> scribe: plh
  156. # [18:12] <plh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013JanMar/0013.html
  157. # [18:12] <plh> Topic: Action items
  158. # [18:12] <plh> Maciej: none
  159. # [18:12] <plh> Topic: Call for Consensus
  160. # [18:12] <plh> Maciej: we closed a few of them
  161. # [18:13] <plh> .. picture element, srcset attribute, use cases and responsive for images, and EMA
  162. # [18:13] <plh> ... picture, srcset, and use cases and reqs for responsive images passed
  163. # [18:14] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  164. # [18:14] <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
  165. # [18:14] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  166. # [18:14] <plh> ... eme did not pass
  167. # [18:14] <plh> ... extensive discussion
  168. # [18:14] <plh> ... several objections and support
  169. # [18:15] <plh> .. statement from w3c team on whether this type of work is something to work on or not
  170. # [18:15] <plh> ... the team said it's appropriate even if they didn't get a technical position
  171. # [18:16] <plh> ... we need to look into some of the objections
  172. # [18:16] <plh> ... folks should use public-html-media extensions and www-archive otherwise
  173. # [18:16] <glenn> q+
  174. # [18:16] * Zakim sees glenn on the speaker queue
  175. # [18:16] <glenn> zakim, unmute me
  176. # [18:16] <Zakim> glenn should no longer be muted
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  178. # [18:17] <plh> Glenn: what is the chairs plan for moving forward on the FPWD request?
  179. # [18:17] <plh> ... as noted, fpwd does not require consensus
  180. # [18:17] <plh> Maciej: plan is to look at what sort of good faith is made to resolve objections
  181. # [18:17] <plh> ... it's at least possible to make some progress there
  182. # [18:18] <plh> ... the broad question of principle regarding w3c is larger than the html wg
  183. # [18:18] <plh> ... the w3c team and the advisory committee are the authorities for that
  184. # [18:19] <plh> ... we have said we'll give people time to file bugs and issues
  185. # [18:19] <joesteele> didn't the W3C team already say that this was an appropriate subject for us to cover?
  186. # [18:19] <plh> ... we'll look at the next steps after that
  187. # [18:19] <joesteele> +q
  188. # [18:19] * Zakim sees glenn, joesteele on the speaker queue
  189. # [18:19] <plh> ack glenn
  190. # [18:19] * Zakim sees joesteele on the speaker queue
  191. # [18:19] <joesteele> Zakim, unmute me
  192. # [18:19] <Zakim> joesteele was not muted, joesteele
  193. # [18:19] <plh> Maciej: it's not clear if the majority of the group supports the current approach
  194. # [18:20] <plh> ... we might do a survey to estimate that later
  195. # [18:20] <plh> Glenn: the CfC was to the list subscribers, it doesn't represent what participants of the WG think
  196. # [18:21] <plh> ... would help to have a survey addressed to the WG participants rather than list subscribers
  197. # [18:21] <glenn> s/participants/members/
  198. # [18:21] <plh> ack joe
  199. # [18:21] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  200. # [18:21] <plh> Joe: quick clarification: you said that the w3c team that this was an appropriate topic to cover and then heard you said we're waiting for them
  201. # [18:22] <plh> Maciej: it's appropriate to work in this area
  202. # [18:22] <plh> ... to the extend it's an open question, it should be take to the team and the AC
  203. # [18:22] <plh> Joe: so, are we still waiting for clarification?
  204. # [18:22] <plh> Maciej: no, if anybody doesn't like what the W3C team said, it should be taken to them directly
  205. # [18:23] <ddorwin> Clarifying something said earlier, the deadline for bugs is the 15th, not 25th - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Feb/0123.html
  206. # [18:23] <plh> Joe: so, the next step is to look at the technical objections?
  207. # [18:23] <plh> Maciej: correct
  208. # [18:23] <plh> Topic: Task Force
  209. # [18:24] <plh> Maciej: Testing first
  210. # [18:24] <krisk> darobin created a coverage report using the 'new' folder structure that maps to the spec (yeah!)
  211. # [18:24] <plh> Kris: Robin generates a nice coverage report, I recommend people look at it
  212. # [18:24] <plh> ... canvas looks good
  213. # [18:24] <plh> q+
  214. # [18:24] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  215. # [18:24] <plh> ... some others don't
  216. # [18:24] <krisk> See -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2013Feb/0013.html
  217. # [18:25] <krisk> Meeting notes http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2013Feb/0020.html
  218. # [18:25] <plh> Kris: we met last Tuesday
  219. # [18:25] <plh> ... Tobie, Michael, and Yosuke
  220. # [18:25] <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
  221. # [18:25] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
  222. # [18:25] <plh> ... we're replicating the approved tests on w3c-test.org now
  223. # [18:25] <plh> ... more discussion around the metadata theme
  224. # [18:26] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  225. # [18:26] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  226. # [18:26] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  227. # [18:26] <plh> plh: do we have all the tests we need for canvas?
  228. # [18:26] <plh> Kris: at TPAC, there are some tests that everyone fail
  229. # [18:27] <plh> ... I'll follow up with that
  230. # [18:27] <plh> plh: yes, would be good to know what to do with the failures
  231. # [18:27] <plh> Maciej: Accessibility is next
  232. # [18:28] <plh> Janina: eta for longdesc extension is 10am this Monday
  233. # [18:28] <plh> ... we do have some tweaks in language in the summary of objections received
  234. # [18:28] <plh> ... it's on the tf list
  235. # [18:28] <plh> ... we don't expect suprises at this point
  236. # [18:28] <plh> ... I'll forward the request to publish
  237. # [18:28] <plh> ... we're eager to move
  238. # [18:29] <plh> ... so it'll be in html and wai pf groups on Monday
  239. # [18:29] <plh> ... tf is pleased that Steve Faulkner is one of the editors
  240. # [18:29] <plh> ... he filled bugs on the alt text in the spec
  241. # [18:29] <plh> ... reached out to Robin about this as well
  242. # [18:29] <plh> ... so should be moving along as well
  243. # [18:30] <plh> ... finally dealing with bugs
  244. # [18:30] <plh> Maciej: media is next
  245. # [18:31] <plh> Paul: media tf continues to alternate between MSE and EME
  246. # [18:31] <plh> ... MSE was this week
  247. # [18:31] <plh> ... we're making progress
  248. # [18:31] <plh> ... done some updates since the FPWD
  249. # [18:31] <plh> ... we're done to a single digit number of bugs
  250. # [18:31] <plh> ... on EME, we have 15 new bugs
  251. # [18:32] <plh> ... the EME group will meet next Tuesday and those bugs will be at the top of the list
  252. # [18:32] <plh> ... discussion happening in the bugzilla
  253. # [18:33] <plh> Topic: Other Business
  254. # [18:33] <plh> Maciej: there is a call for editors for the polyglot specification
  255. # [18:33] <plh> ... a few open bugs for this one
  256. # [18:34] <plh> ... would be to have an active an editors' team
  257. # [18:34] <plh> ... please get in touch with us if you're interested
  258. # [18:35] <plh> Janina: we had a highly productive workshop with IDPF (EPUB) and hopefully some of them will join to work here
  259. # [18:35] <plh> ... they want to standardize around HTML5 and have some concerns
  260. # [18:35] <plh> ... I suggest looking at the minutes
  261. # [18:35] <paulc> see http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/02/ebooks_great_expectations_work_1.html
  262. # [18:35] <plh> Topic: Next meeting
  263. # [18:35] <plh> Maciej: scribe?
  264. # [18:36] <plh> Rick: I'll do it
  265. # [18:36] <plh> [adjourned]
  266. # [18:36] <Zakim> -joesteele
  267. # [18:36] <Zakim> -mjs
  268. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Plh
  269. # [18:36] <Zakim> - +1.206.850.aaaa
  270. # [18:36] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  271. # [18:36] <Zakim> -hober
  272. # [18:36] <Zakim> -glenn
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  274. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
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  277. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Janina
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  279. # [18:36] <janina> leave
  280. # [18:36] <Zakim> -ddorwin
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  283. # [18:36] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  284. # [18:36] * Zakim sees on the phone: krisk, [Microsoft.a]
  285. # [18:36] <Eliot> Zakim, +1.206.850.aaaa is me
  286. # [18:37] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has paulc
  287. # [18:37] <Zakim> sorry, Eliot, I do not recognize a party named '+1.206.850.aaaa'
  288. # [18:37] <plh> zakim, drop Kris
  289. # [18:37] <Zakim> krisk is being disconnected
  290. # [18:37] <Zakim> -krisk
  291. # [18:37] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  292. # [18:37] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  293. # [18:37] <Zakim> Attendees were Radhika_Roy, +1.206.850.aaaa, cabanier, glenn, +1.425.202.aabb, jaymunro, ddorwin, [Microsoft], +1.626.379.aacc, Plh, Janina, krisk, mjs, +1.408.536.aaee, joesteele,
  294. # [18:37] <Zakim> ... hober, paulc
  295. # [18:37] <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
  296. # [18:37] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-html-wg-minutes.html plh
  297. # [18:37] <plh> Chair: Maciej
  298. # [18:37] <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
  299. # [18:37] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/02/14-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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