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  104. # [14:06] <Stevef> darobin: how do add a reference for the captcha note? details https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/be98cc1e8ec8634a5012f33b08d61c1a5576e06b#commitcomment-2591889
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  107. # [14:15] <darobin> Stevef: you want to add a what where?
  108. # [14:16] <darobin> you mean add a reference like [FOO]?
  109. # [14:16] <Stevef> yes
  110. # [14:16] <Stevef> i have a link to a w3c note on captcha want to know what to put in []
  111. # [14:18] <darobin> first you add it to the references section at the end
  112. # [14:18] <darobin> in alpha order
  113. # [14:18] <darobin> (just copy from another reference for the markup)
  114. # [14:19] <darobin> and then you just include [FOO] can link to the ref
  115. # [14:19] <Stevef> OK thnks
  116. # [14:20] <MikeSmith> which document?
  117. # [14:20] <MikeSmith> which spec are you adding it to I mean?
  118. # [14:21] <MikeSmith> HTML spec
  119. # [14:21] <MikeSmith> isn't the References section generated by anolis?
  120. # [14:23] <Stevef> MIkeSmith: yes HTML
  121. # [14:23] <Stevef> i though there may be some magic involved
  122. # [14:24] <MikeSmith> anolis has a way to generate the References section automatically but I guess the thing is that Hixie's not using it upstream and we aren't either
  123. # [14:24] * MikeSmith looks at the source
  124. # [14:45] <darobin> oh right
  125. # [14:45] * darobin had forgotten about that
  126. # [14:46] <darobin> in that case you need to add a ref to the processor's DB
  127. # [14:46] <darobin> I don't know where anolis stores it though
  128. # [14:46] <darobin> the #whatwg kids would
  129. # [14:47] <darobin> sorry, had raclette yesterday, I think I'm still digesting
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  133. # [15:50] <Stevef> darobin:MikeSmith: on a side note this is worth a read http://www.iandevlin.com/blog/2013/02/html5/further-examples-on-using-the-main-element
  134. # [15:52] <Stevef> in as much as when peoplelook at idealised code <main> appears as redundant extraload but when you actually look at real code like the code used in the page this comment is on http://www.iandevlin.com/blog/2013/02/html5/further-examples-on-using-the-main-element/comment-page-1#comment-9641
  135. # [15:52] * MikeSmith looks up raclette
  136. # [15:53] <MikeSmith> "If you ask most people which they prefer, fondue or raclette, most will reply raclette."
  137. # [15:53] <Stevef> you can see that its an insignificant addition in all the other stuff thats there
  138. # [15:53] * MikeSmith looks at Stevef link
  139. # [15:54] <Stevef> but peple get hung up on the clean simple markup, which is raraely a reality
  140. # [15:54] <Stevef> exceptin spec examples
  141. # [15:55] <darobin> Stevef: I think you're preaching to the choir here about main being useful :)
  142. # [15:55] <MikeSmith> "both the header and the footer are outside the main element as they are generic to the website" seems like a good way of stating that case
  143. # [15:55] <darobin> MikeSmith: you've never had raclette?
  144. # [15:55] <MikeSmith> nope
  145. # [15:55] <darobin> damn
  146. # [15:56] <darobin> when next in France, set aside an evening and we'll have to sort you out on that one
  147. # [15:56] <Stevef> but not according to the outline algorithm...
  148. # [15:56] <darobin> it's *good*
  149. # [15:56] <MikeSmith> darobin: will do for sure
  150. # [15:56] <Stevef> darobin: not trying to preach but that post made me think more about the interplay between landmarks and the oputline algrothm
  151. # [15:57] <Stevef> and how simple code examples distort people understanding
  152. # [15:58] <darobin> yes, that's a very good point
  153. # [15:58] <darobin> people argue with examples, but those aren't real
  154. # [16:00] <Stevef> also people argue about theoretical semantic constructs as if they are of major importnace, while the only interesting semantics are those that are consumed
  155. # [16:00] <Stevef> interesting to me that is
  156. # [16:04] <Stevef> hey cool! http://www.webmonkey.com/2013/02/improve-your-websites-accessibility-with-the-w3cs-guide-to-using-aria
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  158. # [16:25] <stommepoes> Maybe there should be living examples of large, unwieldy living code showing these things working?
  159. # [16:25] <stommepoes> Problem then is, linkrot
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  167. # [17:01] <Stevef> stommepoes: unsure what the answer is the good thing about simple examples is that what you are trying to convey is clear
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  169. # [17:02] <Stevef> stommepoes: i think that the advice around element usage should take into account that the idealised examples are idealised only....
  170. # [17:04] <stommepoes> Maybe that should simply be stated, as a reminder to readers?
  171. # [17:06] <Stevef> yes
  172. # [17:06] <stommepoes> I remember when several people on a dev forum pointed to the <p>'s in forms used in the form examples on w3c, even though the rest of us were saying "that code's from 1999! Those aren't paragraph material!"
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  177. # [17:13] <Stevef> <p>'s are OK to use in forms http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-p-element
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  213. # [22:23] <gitbot> [html] silviapfeiffer pushed 6 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/556da56c44a2...3c757c6bddef
  214. # [22:23] <gitbot> html/master 118fff0 Silvia Pfeiffer: Reduce minor difference to WHATWG spec from patch...
  215. # [22:23] <gitbot> html/master 63430fc ianh: [giow] (3) Compatibility with deployed content....
  216. # [22:23] <gitbot> html/master e79bbd0 ianh: [e] (0) Clarify that this is not a convention, just a possible technique for the author's own use....
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