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  1. # Session Start: Mon Mar 04 00:00:00 2013
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  48. # [10:30] <SteveF> darobin: ping
  49. # [10:50] <darobin> SteveF: pong
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  51. # [11:08] <SteveF> darobin: few things 1. pinged you last week about a bug https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18438#c11 commenter suggested adding advice on using aria wnated your thoughts on that
  52. # [11:09] <SteveF> darobin: 2. procedure for commiting to 5.0 cr branch? anything i need to know
  53. # [11:11] <SteveF> darobin: 3. would like to disabuse this guy so he and others don't waste time http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2013Feb/0007.html . emailed admin list asking for direction http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Mar/0001.html
  54. # [11:15] <darobin> SteveF: sorry, I'm caught up in something IRL right now, I'll get back to this right after
  55. # [11:15] <SteveF> darobin: not rush just wanted on your dance card
  56. # [11:28] <darobin> you know I always save the last dance for you
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  58. # [11:39] <SteveF> :-)
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  64. # [12:15] <gitbot> [html] silviapfeiffer pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/93e7b512239e...bf738ddae6a2
  65. # [12:15] <gitbot> html/master 0b8428a ianh: [e] (0) Clarify text...
  66. # [12:15] <gitbot> html/master bf738dd ianh: [giow] (0) Sort algorithm, first draft....
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  78. # [13:44] <stommepoes> SteveF is that command element really dead?
  79. # [13:47] <MikeSmith> stommepoes: it was dropped from the whatwg HTML spec
  80. # [13:48] <MikeSmith> and nobody has ever implemented it
  81. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> actually even, Mozilla intentionally did not implement it even though they did implement the context-menu feature, which is one of the main things that the command element was intended for
  82. # [13:49] <MikeSmith> they unilaterally implemented a "menuitem" element
  83. # [13:50] <MikeSmith> and that element is now in the whatwg HTML spec
  84. # [13:50] <MikeSmith> although it's a bit different than the way Mozilla implemented it
  85. # [14:02] <stommepoes> Okay, I just feel for the guy who asked the original question. He was reading a spec that said (if I remember correctly) candidate recommendation.
  86. # [14:02] <stommepoes> So I wondered earlier why it was still there... so thanks for explaining.
  87. # [14:06] <stommepoes> Hm, now I only see working draft pages. Either I misread it or the old page is indeed gone.
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  89. # [14:32] <darobin> stommepoes: it's still in the CR draft but it's marked as at risk
  90. # [14:32] <darobin> which means it can be dropped from there (and will be in this case)
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  92. # [14:51] <SteveF> stommepoes: thats why I asked the question on public-html-admin about command as the guy is wasting his time
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  96. # [15:16] <darobin> SteveF: so, re (1) is your question about whether adding an example of using aria-describedby for table summarising is a good idea?
  97. # [15:16] <darobin> if so, they YES :)
  98. # [15:16] <darobin> re (2) there is no process, jus be very careful. I think I broke something there a couple of times...
  99. # [15:17] <SteveF> darobin: great I was asking that, if it is OK to add an ARIA example
  100. # [15:17] <darobin> I think it makes a lot of sense to do so
  101. # [15:17] <SteveF> will do
  102. # [15:17] <darobin> re command, I think the best is to point out that it's on the at risk list
  103. # [15:17] <SteveF> OK will do
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  110. # [16:12] <SteveF> darobin: stommepoes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2013Mar/0000.html
  111. # [16:15] <darobin_> SteveF: coolness
  112. # [16:16] <darobin_> can you look at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ExtensionHowTo and LMK? Since you have experience there it would be good to know if you'd have found this even half useful
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  114. # [16:16] <daroin> gah
  115. # [16:16] <SteveF> hey thanks for writing up the extension how to v useful, will review and add
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  117. # [16:16] <darobin> thanks!
  118. # [16:16] <SteveF> yeah just saw email
  119. # [16:20] <darobin> so much for asking feedback from a small group first :)
  120. # [16:27] <SteveF> sorry was not thinking
  121. # [16:27] <SteveF> I read it and thought this is good...
  122. # [16:28] <SteveF> didn't make it to the last line of your email to now
  123. # [16:29] <SteveF> I use a commit then think model for tweeting...
  124. # [16:33] <MikeSmith> heh
  125. # [16:33] <stommepoes> You can always delete the tweet
  126. # [16:34] <stommepoes> not everyone is glued to their twitters at every moment.
  127. # [16:35] <darobin> rofl "commit then think"
  128. # [16:35] <darobin> nah don't delete, it's perfectly fine for it to be public
  129. # [16:35] <darobin> in fact I linked it from the wiki main page
  130. # [16:35] <MikeSmith> darobin: btw go to http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/tabular-data.html#table-sorting-model and do a "find on page" for "Top of loop" and look at the contents of Step 2 there
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  132. # [16:36] <MikeSmith> then go to http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/tabular-data.html#table-sorting-model and do the same thing
  133. # [16:36] <SteveF> well robin retweeted so i guess its OK and its not exactly a W3C state secret, those email are clearly marked [W3C SUPER SECRET OFFLIST BACKCHANNEL CONFIDENTIAL] and self delete after reading
  134. # [16:37] <stommepoes> SteveF that's "burn after reading"
  135. # [16:37] <stommepoes> then you eat the ashes
  136. # [16:37] <SteveF> :-)
  137. # [16:37] <MikeSmith> heh
  138. # [16:37] <darobin> MikeSmith: shit
  139. # [16:37] <darobin> it looks like we need new preprocessing code
  140. # [16:38] <darobin> FML
  141. # [16:38] <MikeSmith> yeah, I think Hixie must have written some speciall preprocessor for that
  142. # [16:38] <MikeSmith> that is the first time I'm seen him use that switch-statement stuff in the spec
  143. # [16:39] <MikeSmith> pretty sure there are no other instances of it in the source yet
  144. # [16:39] <MikeSmith> so we can probably just ask him for a copy of the script
  145. # [16:39] <MikeSmith> but it's likely a perl script
  146. # [16:39] <darobin> yes, we should ask
  147. # [16:39] <darobin> *shrug* Perl is fine
  148. # [16:39] <stommepoes> perl++
  149. # [16:40] <giuseppep> newbie question: issues with HTML5 CR have to be reported in bugzilla using Component: CR HTML5 spec ?
  150. # [16:40] <giuseppep> and what if the same issue is also in the 5.1 nightly?
  151. # [16:40] <giuseppep> (do I need to clone it or will the editor take care of it)
  152. # [16:41] <darobin> giuseppep: please only report it once
  153. # [16:42] <darobin> the best is to report against 5.1 and let us figure out what we backport I reckon
  154. # [16:42] <darobin> if it is a Perl script the other editors will probably insist that it be ported to Python
  155. # [16:42] <giuseppep> darobin: ok, so I did report it but on CR, if I happen to have another one I'll report it on 5.1
  156. # [16:42] <darobin> for which I will feel like a traitor to everything that I stand for
  157. # [16:42] <giuseppep> the spec doesn't really say it, just say "report in bugzilla"
  158. # [16:42] <darobin> but I will do it anyway
  159. # [16:43] <darobin> giuseppep: that's ok, we'll see them all anyway
  160. # [16:43] <darobin> just don't report it twice :)
  161. # [16:43] <giuseppep> eheh ok
  162. # [16:44] <giuseppep> another quick question: the web (and not only) seems to be full of links of the type: "http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/some-section-title.html"
  163. # [16:44] <giuseppep> that are all broken in the CR
  164. # [16:44] <giuseppep> is this a known issue?
  165. # [16:44] <darobin> yes
  166. # [16:44] <darobin> if the link includes a #something we redirect
  167. # [16:44] <darobin> if not, I'm not sure
  168. # [16:45] <giuseppep> ok, well most links I find nowadasy are broken
  169. # [16:45] <giuseppep> also on html5rocks.com
  170. # [16:45] * darobin sighs
  171. # [16:45] <SteveF> giuseppep: link to file a bug on 5.1 http://kwz.me/42
  172. # [16:46] <darobin> giuseppep: re the 404s, if you want to file a bug please put it under "editor tools" and include some examples
  173. # [16:46] <darobin> I'll see if I can make the situation better somewhat
  174. # [16:48] <giuseppep> darobin: the one in the CR doesn't autoselect the component, so you may want to replace it with the link above
  175. # [16:49] <darobin> giuseppep: cheers, will do
  176. # [16:49] <SteveF> MikeSmith: i glanced through the table sorting stuff earlier though that code as part of the algorithm...
  177. # [16:49] <SteveF> thought
  178. # [16:52] <giuseppep> darobin: re 404s I'll do report them, for an example see the end of this page http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/multimedia
  179. # [16:54] <darobin> MikeSmith: it looks like the ErrorDocument handlers we had in the html5 CR are being ignored — are you seeing the same behaviour?
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  181. # [16:57] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/e36b11ea420f8c2af2231d6cb50a85b9e5a2eb74
  182. # [16:57] <gitbot> html/master e36b11e Robin Berjon: better bug link
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  184. # [16:59] <darobin> I think it was removed with the redirects
  185. # [17:00] <MikeSmith> darobin: ah yeah that must be it
  186. # [17:00] <darobin> I'll re add it
  187. # [17:01] * darobin wonders if a relative link works
  188. # [17:02] <darobin> no you can't
  189. # [17:04] <darobin> but the system is smart enough to do it, wow!
  190. # [17:04] <darobin> giuseppep: check those links again
  191. # [17:20] <giuseppep> darobin: working now
  192. # [17:22] <darobin> great
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  198. # [19:40] <gitbot> [html] techtoons pushed 1 new commit to html5_canvas: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/11a32ac0dcb22dc4021dc53fcb8cd812659e87fa
  199. # [19:40] <gitbot> html/html5_canvas 11a32ac Jay Munro: Cleaned up imageSmoothingEnabled text...
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