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  17. # [09:13] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/a23399093bde39ab7614e466f54fc808155d36a8
  18. # [09:13] <gitbot> html/master a233990 Steve Faulkner: minor edits...
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  49. # [12:51] <darobin> SteveF: can you look at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18439&list_id=6077 and see if it makes sense or should be closed?
  50. # [12:51] <darobin> the OP has a question about ARIA
  51. # [12:55] <SteveF> have answered and re- won't fix
  52. # [12:56] <SteveF> darobin: hope that was OK
  53. # [12:56] <darobin> SteveF: your judgement is best here :)
  54. # [12:58] <SteveF> darobin: the idea seemed a bit pie in sky and can be acheived using current HTML/ARIA if you want to do it
  55. # [12:58] <darobin> SteveF: that's sort of what I thought, but since I'm no expert I thought it best to call you to the rescus
  56. # [12:58] <darobin> *rescue
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  59. # [13:01] <SteveF> darobin: I am no expert - standard disclaimer https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/297304754596487168/photo/1
  60. # [13:02] <darobin> SteveF: that's my kind of expert :)
  61. # [13:02] <SteveF> darobin: which branch do we edit for 5.0 editorial fixes?
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  64. # [13:25] <darobin> SteveF: I'm confused about that tbh
  65. # [13:25] <darobin> my understanding was that editorial_fixes went into both 5.0 and 5.1
  66. # [13:25] <darobin> but silvia seems to think differently
  67. # [13:25] <darobin> I've been meaning to ping her about that
  68. # [13:25] <darobin> I don't see the point in having an editorial_fixes branch if it doesn't go into 5.0
  69. # [13:26] <darobin> if it's for 5.1, then why not just use master?
  70. # [13:26] <SteveF> thats what i do
  71. # [13:27] <SteveF> will wait to hear back before i start commiting changes for 5.0 don't want to make work for myself
  72. # [13:27] <SteveF> or others...
  73. # [13:27] <darobin> I'll ping the list
  74. # [13:28] <SteveF> thnks
  75. # [13:29] <SteveF> darobin: have you had chance to fink about hgroup? am not planning on doing anything for a while, am writing a post for html5doctor asking for developer experience/feedback on it
  76. # [13:30] <SteveF> darobin: need to get rough consensus before any changes made
  77. # [13:33] <darobin> I'll admit I haven't thought about it that much recently
  78. # [13:33] <darobin> I'm sort of torn between the fact that I like grouped headers, and the fact that your arguments make sense :)
  79. # [13:34] <darobin> I could go with <subline> or whatever replaces what we have though
  80. # [14:01] <SteveF> darobin: I am unconvinced that going through their is any appetite for trying to add a new element, i think the choices at this stage are obsolete it or improve it
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  82. # [14:02] <SteveF> but thats just me...
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  86. # [14:25] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/2d051ef356814ea0432b2d0d1f9d09a2836b33c9
  87. # [14:25] <gitbot> html/master 2d051ef Steve Faulkner: minor edit...
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  92. # [15:01] <darobin> SteveF: to be honest I don't have a strong opinion at all on the how, I only care that it's possible
  93. # [15:02] <darobin> it could be changing the way it's processed, adding an element, using a role, adding a magic grammatical marker, inventing a new Unicode character for sub headings, I can't say I really care either way
  94. # [15:03] <SteveF> darobin: cool am sure you will chime in if/when you want as we proceed through the discussion on lit
  95. # [15:03] <darobin> what I *do* care about is that I can put a funny comment under my name at the top of my blog, or some nonsense attached to the article title
  96. # [15:03] <SteveF> just wanted to ensure people such as yourself were aware
  97. # [15:03] <darobin> yup yup
  98. # [15:04] <darobin> call it <unicorn> or <zorglub> if you come up with a new element — it kills bikeshedding early and often ;)
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  104. # [15:43] <SteveF> darobin: i will propose a new element and you can get it implemented ;-)
  105. # [15:58] <darobin> haha
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  113. # [16:34] <stommepoes> darobin: what I've been doing for years: <h?>Main heading <small>sub heading</small></h?> where usually I use small in the legal sense, but here it seemed a tad better than a span.
  114. # [16:34] <stommepoes> Lief does make some good arguments.
  115. # [16:35] <stommepoes> I just don't tend to see subheadings as ever deserving their own <h?> tags, which <hgroup> encourages.
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  117. # [16:42] <darobin> mmmmm
  118. # [16:43] <darobin> I hadn't thought of <small>, but I'm not sure I like that option that much :)
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  121. # [17:07] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/11f1d7bed2c07e0f4f2105827d87be617851c8f6
  122. # [17:07] <gitbot> html/master 11f1d7b Robin Berjon: simplify alternate formats
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  126. # [17:16] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/1a01754c7431c9d49c5830a8a5cf8c8a82a39b33
  127. # [17:16] <gitbot> html/master 1a01754 Robin Berjon: Audio ctor single optional argument
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  129. # [17:17] <SteveF> i would like to bring back font <h1> heading: <font size="3">sub heading</font><h1> runs and hides...
  130. # [17:25] <SteveF> darobin: that's why you are my main man - something is broke = get rid of it :-)
  131. # [17:36] <darobin> SteveF: yeah, just kill'em mofo bugs!
  132. # [17:36] <darobin> "Hey, you broken, GTFO my spec!"
  133. # [17:38] <darobin> SteveF: do you want to take over https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16835&list_id=6079 ?
  134. # [17:38] <darobin> given that you can change things yourself nowadays and all
  135. # [17:39] <SteveF> why not! - have done so
  136. # [17:40] <darobin> great!
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  138. # [17:40] <darobin> SteveF: there's also https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16797&list_id=6079
  139. # [17:41] <SteveF> Ok done, feels a little funky resolving my own bugs though
  140. # [17:42] <SteveF> but at least I will be happy with the editors decision...
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  143. # [17:42] <SteveF> and thats another great skill of your bug unloading
  144. # [17:42] <stommepoes> lawlz
  145. # [17:43] <SteveF> yourz
  146. # [17:54] <darobin> yeah, 18 bugs downed today :)
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  166. # [20:42] <stommepoes> Hey, I'm on the obsoletes page and trying to figure out what exactly the difference is between obsolete and deprecated. I remember very much there being a big difference between the two mentioned when HTML5/WHATWG added <u> in and then called it obsolete and then said "it's in there because WYSIWYGs and Chinese proper names" or something.
  167. # [20:43] <stommepoes> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html5-20101019/obsolete.html I'm here but kind of expected some formal definition of "obsolete".
  168. # [20:49] <Hixie> can't speak for the w3c copy, but in the whatwg copy, <u> isn't obsolete, it just has very few uses. http://whatwg.org/html#the-u-element
  169. # [20:50] <Hixie> (#whatwg on Freenode IRC is probably a better place for discussion of the whatwg spec though)
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  171. # [21:00] <stommepoes> Hixie was it that I was reading about u then being brought out of obsoletion? Because of those uses?
  172. # [21:00] <stommepoes> I remember the Chinese proper names and WYSIWYG reasons from somewhere...
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