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  67. # [11:09] <darobin> from http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-role-attribute-20130328/:
  68. # [11:09] <darobin> "The following is an example of a good, appropriate use of the role attribute: <div role="main">"
  69. # [11:09] <darobin> sigh
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  71. # [11:26] <SteveF> darobin: we need (as in the WG) to have a discussion about hgroup
  72. # [11:34] <darobin> SteveF: I'm all for it :)
  73. # [11:35] <darobin> SteveF: I thought you might find that funny: "The following is an example of a good, appropriate use of the role attribute: <div role="main">"
  74. # [11:35] <SteveF> darobin: suppose you want me to kick it off?
  75. # [11:35] <darobin> SteveF: well, you have a much stronger and better defined opinion about hgroup than I
  76. # [11:35] <SteveF> OK
  77. # [11:35] <SteveF> where is that from?
  78. # [11:35] <darobin> that's from http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/REC-role-attribute-20130328/ which was just released as REC :)
  79. # [11:36] <SteveF> i disown that doc, not that i owned it or any doc anyway :-)
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  81. # [11:39] <darobin> hehe
  82. # [11:39] <darobin> SteveF: that doc is mostly about XHTML and RDF, I think we should indeed mostly ignore it
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  84. # [11:39] <darobin> also, it probably hasn't been updated much before becoming a REC
  85. # [11:43] <SteveF> sure
  86. # [11:51] <silvia> reality overtaking the world of specs … what's new
  87. # [11:51] <SteveF> hey silvia
  88. # [11:54] <SteveF> any thoughts on hgroup?
  89. # [11:54] <SteveF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Apr/0003.html
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  92. # [12:28] <SteveF> darobin: dive into the jelly pit: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Apr/0002.html
  93. # [12:43] <silvia> hi SteveF - yeah … not sure … too many other things on my plate right now … leaving this one to you :-)
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  95. # [12:44] <SteveF> silvia: understood, OK thanks!
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  99. # [13:12] <stommepoes> It's kinda too bad hgroup couldn't be repurposed to deal with subtitles/subthingies in some other way
  100. # [13:25] <SteveF> stommepoes: there is nothing to say it can't in HTML 5.1 just needs someone to come up with a credible use cases etc and define it (extension spec) ,
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  103. # [13:57] <stommepoes> SteveF I wonder if, in getting use cases, it would make more sense to see what devs are currently doing with taglines/mottos/slogans/subtitles/subheaders etc. Would be hard because finding matching classes or id's I think is less likely than when you were researching main
  104. # [13:58] <stommepoes> I've seen tagline as a class a few times, and sub. Pretty broad names.
  105. # [13:58] <stommepoes> Also dunno, could a wrapper like hgroup confer altered semantics to something like a p?
  106. # [14:08] <SteveF> stommepoes: its not hard to find class names used for subheadings etc, its difficult to find for wrapper element for grouped headings as its not a common pattern
  107. # [14:09] <SteveF> stommepoes: i think it could: if hx = hx otherwise = subhead
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  111. # [15:07] <stommepoes> I wouldn't want an hx to be a sub anything, it's the same problems as currently with hgroup. However another tag exactly-following an hx could have altered semantics
  112. # [15:07] <stommepoes> mottos and taglines really aren't headings. Subheadings might be headings, if part of a title... but that's likely not even the most-used case
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  115. # [15:47] <SteveF> stommepoes: thats what I concluded after researching and why i came up with subline http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hgroup
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  124. # [16:10] <stommepoes> SteveF for some reason I'm still uncomfortable with headings in a subline (I just *know* many of us will have <sublime> tags by accident lawlz)
  125. # [16:11] <stommepoes> even though certainly the strangelove example, how I learned to love the bomb is indeed part of the title, and therefore the heading...
  126. # [16:11] <SteveF> stommepoes: not hot on name or definition just thought food
  127. # [16:13] <stommepoes> Oh I know
  128. # [16:14] <stommepoes> What I don't know is, is anything gained (or is any work avoided) by keeping hgroup and using it for examples where there's a heading, then content (and that content, by not being a heading and being within hgroup, IS then a sub-Thing-Line by default)
  129. # [16:14] <stommepoes> If absolutely nothing has been implemeneted in browsers then I guess not
  130. # [16:15] <stommepoes> <hgroup><hx>Foo: the Ultimate Bar</hx><p>How Baz Quuxed by Secret XYYZing</p><p class="author">by Willie Makit</p></hgroup>
  131. # [16:16] <stommepoes> I suppose that would maybe also explain some thinkin in the HTML5doctor examples where there's silly crap in the hgroup who is the sole child of a <header> tag
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  133. # [16:18] <stommepoes> er sorry I meant html5accessibility examples
  134. # [16:20] <stommepoes> Though I guess it would probablty be nice at some point to be able to programmatically haul real titles out of the thing, which in my above example it would not be able to tell the difference between the subtitle and the author byline
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  141. # [17:10] <gitbot> [html] techtoons pushed 1 new commit to html5_canvas: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/7199f7ea3fe4f08535f14a6a706af5d931344e83
  142. # [17:10] <gitbot> html/html5_canvas 7199f7e Jay Munro: Updated two examples...
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  166. # [20:39] <stevefaulkner> MikeSmith: is the addition of info for attributes that hixie did something we could do?
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  191. # [22:50] <MikeSmith> SteveF: yeah Silvia can just port of that change
  192. # [22:50] <MikeSmith> *port over
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  195. # [22:55] <MikeSmith> .win 10
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