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  12. # [01:24] <gitbot> [html] erikadoyle pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/33a3742627d1...739ba43e644b
  13. # [01:24] <gitbot> html/master e9b4685 ianh: [e] (0) Tighten up some IDLs....
  14. # [01:24] <gitbot> html/master fd7e2df ianh: [e] (0) Fix some cross-reference issues....
  15. # [01:24] <gitbot> html/master 1f4f0f3 ianh: [giow] (1) Match reality...
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  47. # [10:29] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/9d8ccdff4130c9cc0f06d3e4745d8c005364c073
  48. # [10:29] <gitbot> html/master 9d8ccdf steve faulkner: new heading example image
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  52. # [10:44] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/6af974bf39c9cb6c3a48253515f6c1dbe5174107
  53. # [10:44] <gitbot> html/master 6af974b steve faulkner: modified heading example...
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  64. # [12:23] <SteveF> darobin: work on style switcher stalled as i can't get it to work :-(
  65. # [12:23] <SteveF> darobin: needs help - me
  66. # [12:24] <SteveF> darobin: also need your help on fixing multiple headings issue at top of spec see https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21919
  67. # [12:38] <stommepoes> actually, wonder why you even have subline class, when you could just header p {styles;} ?
  68. # [12:39] <stommepoes> or more for authors to get the idea?
  69. # [12:39] <SteveF> stommepoes: because i wanted to make it specific
  70. # [12:40] <stommepoes> For authors to see what it was?
  71. # [12:40] <stommepoes> Or there may be non-subline p's in header tags?
  72. # [12:40] <SteveF> right
  73. # [12:40] <stommepoes> may == might happen to be
  74. # [12:40] <SteveF> yeah
  75. # [12:41] <stommepoes> A p in a header tag... since it's not outside and after it must also have some special meaning. Intro maybe.
  76. # [12:43] <stommepoes> I rarely use header tags so I've never thought too much about the meaning of the stuff inside. More often I have a bunch of "stuff" at the top of a page, but usually I can't convince myself that it "heads" any part of teh document really.
  77. # [12:44] <darobin> SteveF: is the style switcher code somewhere that can be played with?
  78. # [12:44] <darobin> also, is there a bug tracking it?
  79. # [12:44] <darobin> (so I can know what you're hitting against)
  80. # [12:46] <darobin> SteveF: done for https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21919
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  82. # [12:47] <SteveF> thanks!, the switcher code i was trying to use is crappy but it is available https://github.com/w3c/html/tree/master/switcher
  83. # [12:48] <SteveF> really all is needed is the abitlty to add a few lines of CSS to the top of the doc rather than switching a style sheet
  84. # [12:49] <SteveF> so a <style> author view </style> block
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  86. # [12:53] <stommepoes> Just curious, why the different {} bracket styles?
  87. # [12:55] <SteveF> stommepoes: where?
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  89. # [12:56] <stommepoes> that git page of switcher
  90. # [12:56] <stommepoes> Mixing K&R/Wirth styles
  91. # [12:58] <stommepoes> is your onclick event not getting registered on the nInputs?
  92. # [12:59] <ArtB> stevef: re warning for obsoleted specs, here's one possibility [although perhaps not the `best` UI ;-)] http://www.w3.org/TR/webdatabase/#status-of-this-document
  93. # [12:59] <stommepoes> Haven't played with it, just reading it. I always get bitten when I try to use my incrementor var in a loop to assign events.
  94. # [12:59] <stommepoes> ArtB that's freaking awesome
  95. # [12:59] <stommepoes> lunch
  96. # [13:00] <SteveF> ArtB: I like it! :-)
  97. # [13:01] <SteveF> stommepoes: the ascript is crappy i think, I found it soemwhere, I am not of sufficient javascript ability to do more than hack around scripts i find and can't do that very well
  98. # [13:01] <SteveF> stommepoes: if you are intersted in helping create something useful to add the required styles then i would be eternally grateful
  99. # [13:14] <stommepoes> I have trouble seeing how it all works together, what pages it's influencing, but I do like to practice my raw Javascript since I'm forced to use jQueer at work
  100. # [13:15] <stommepoes> But, I like a small "library" (set of functions) if other scripts are involved, such as Simon Willison's function making event listeners work in IE and also take care of Ie6's memory leak
  101. # [13:15] <stommepoes> It's, what, prolly 5 functions in total I think, borrowed from SitePoint's old "core" base.
  102. # [13:17] <stommepoes> SteveF what's an example HTML page with the inputs/buttons you want to hit? Also ppk's old cookie code is pretty decent.
  103. # [13:18] <stommepoes> or SteveF do you have somewhere all together a demo page you use to work on? Otherwise I'll make my own and use my own server for browser testing.
  104. # [13:19] <SteveF> stommepoes: i would like to simply have a link to the 'author view' on http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/Overview.html which adds the style block
  105. # [13:20] <stommepoes> I once made a styleswitcher on my old stommepoes site, and there it was easier to call in the "alternative" script with a title attr than adding in a whole block of styles to the page.
  106. # [13:20] <stommepoes> SteveF ok
  107. # [13:21] <stommepoes> was the cookie part working for you?
  108. # [13:21] <SteveF> the complication is that for the multi page the spec gets split so if (for eaxmple) adding the block for authros is cookie based, then the script needs to be aware that the user wants the author view across mutliple pages
  109. # [13:21] <SteveF> it did locally
  110. # [13:22] <SteveF> i have the files somewhere if that would help
  111. # [13:22] <SteveF> but i suspect looking at those would be more confusing than useful
  112. # [13:22] <stommepoes> I believe mine did that too, the alt styles remained showing as I clicked cross-page, using the cookie
  113. # [13:22] <stommepoes> Well what I'd do is make a local copy of the HTML, CSS etc that's on Overview
  114. # [13:23] <stommepoes> so I have a local example to work with
  115. # [13:23] <SteveF> stommepoes: ok cool thanks!
  116. # [13:23] <stommepoes> And I'd make a copy also of your styles from github
  117. # [13:23] <stommepoes> then if it's on my server I can test many browsers, but not mobiles or anything on Mac
  118. # [13:23] <stommepoes> I do still have old Safari 3 on Windows thought :)
  119. # [13:23] <stommepoes> I saved it for testing the fat text thing they had back then
  120. # [13:24] <stommepoes> I think it's still better to have alt links in the <head> than add style block to the page because otherwise js will have to keep adding that style bock
  121. # [13:24] <stommepoes> easier to enable/disable an already-there stylesheet.
  122. # [13:25] <stommepoes> So, the button you want user to be able to click to change to author styles... is that something like the File A Bug button, gets added by JS?
  123. # [13:25] <SteveF> doenst have to be i can add it to code
  124. # [13:26] <stommepoes> Makes sense to add with JS what only works with JS
  125. # [13:26] <stommepoes> But I was reading your JS
  126. # [13:26] <SteveF> right
  127. # [13:26] <stommepoes> and it looked for a form that I don't see on Overview
  128. # [13:26] <stommepoes> so wondered
  129. # [13:28] <SteveF> i took it out as it wasn't working but what you say makes sense, as in adding via script
  130. # [13:28] <stommepoes> So heck if we create it with JS we already have a reference to it as well, but you're looping through any number of inputs
  131. # [13:28] <stommepoes> there are more?
  132. # [13:28] <stommepoes> or, will be more? buttons
  133. # [13:29] <SteveF> no as i said crappy code
  134. # [13:29] <stommepoes> ah ok
  135. # [13:29] <stommepoes> So we can, say, onload add a <button> (conforms with reasons for buttons in spec) who toggles on or off (enabled or disabled) a link rel="alternative" developer stylesheet, with the button or text next to it reflecting which style it's showing.
  136. # [13:30] <stommepoes> and for now there are only two styles: with added for-authors and default/current.
  137. # [13:30] <SteveF> sounds right
  138. # [13:30] <stommepoes> ok.
  139. # [13:32] <stommepoes> hah cool I looked at my old styleswitcher js I had on old stommepoes and it's still working, so I can check that for ideas. :P
  140. # [13:36] <SteveF> .impl {display:none}
  141. # [13:36] <SteveF> .dev {display:inline !important;
  142. # [13:36] <SteveF> font-style:italic;}
  143. # [13:36] <SteveF> thats the only styles form the style sheet in switcher that are being used for the authro view (btw)
  144. # [13:37] <SteveF> actually i thinks its only the .impl one
  145. # [13:37] <SteveF> don't recognise the reason for the secodn bit
  146. # [13:38] <stommepoes> oh I thought it was adding this https://github.com/w3c/html/blob/master/switcher/W3C-ED-au.css
  147. # [13:39] <stommepoes> huh I didn't know anyone actually did anything useful with aural
  148. # [13:39] <stommepoes> opera 3.5?
  149. # [13:39] <stommepoes> hide from IE3?
  150. # [13:40] <stommepoes> bah so anyway I can just make some some retarded and obvious style to test the switcher and then you guys can just add what you want to it instead.
  151. # [13:40] <SteveF> sounds like a plan!
  152. # [13:40] <stommepoes> woot.
  153. # [13:41] <stommepoes> I've got a birthday tonight but itching to get home on the old beast (has good VMs) to play with this
  154. # [13:41] <stommepoes> Looks like I borrowed heavily from ppk's cookie for my old switcher
  155. # [13:45] <stommepoes> After I test and stuff, I have a github account, I can throw it up there and give you a pull request or whatever
  156. # [13:47] <SteveF> cool
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