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  49. # [12:11] <stommepoes> SteveF due to waiting for a colleague anyway, started work on cookie-style.
  50. # [12:12] <stommepoes> It's simple and brittle. Won't be able to do anything but check a true or false and add or remove "disabled" from one <link>
  51. # [12:13] <stommepoes> <link> for author styles should also ideally be the last <link> in <head>
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  53. # [12:18] <SteveF> ok thanks
  54. # [12:19] <stommepoes> Does w3c support IE6 or anything further back? (IE/mac etc)
  55. # [12:25] <SteveF> thats one for darobin:
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  58. # [12:42] <darobin__> stommepoes: well
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  60. # [12:44] <darobin> stommepoes: we support *everything* in the sense that a script in a spec should not break stuff that e.g. doesn't work if you don't have JS
  61. # [12:44] <darobin> but if overall it's okay, and it only fails in IE6, I reckon we can live with it
  62. # [12:44] <darobin> ideally it should fail by doing nothing, rather than by rendering the spec useless :)
  63. # [12:45] <SteveF> darobin: back channel pinged you earlier you available for quick chat?
  64. # [12:45] <darobin> SteveF: I don't see the ping... is after lunch possible?
  65. # [12:45] <darobin> I'm half here, half cooking stuff
  66. # [12:46] <darobin> we can chat but I can't guarantee response delays :)
  67. # [12:46] <SteveF> sure ping when you are available, thanks!
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  75. # [15:35] <SteveF> darobin: see my comment on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21941
  76. # [15:59] <stommepoes> Foo... Chrome doesn't set cookies on file:/// pages
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  78. # [16:02] <stommepoes> SteveF if I'm lucky, I can put what I've built onto my server tonight, to check x-browser and the actual saving of cookies (I assume '/' is an okay path for you?)
  79. # [16:02] <stommepoes> And I have 7 days, dunno what you want
  80. # [16:09] <SteveF> ok sounds good anytime is good for me :_)
  81. # [16:13] <darobin> SteveF: yup saw it, though to be honest I'd like to keep the FSM :)
  82. # [16:13] <darobin> SteveF: btw, you wanted to talk!
  83. # [16:13] <SteveF> twas on that, I don't mind either way on the example
  84. # [16:14] <darobin> the FSM is a strong historical part of internet culture
  85. # [16:15] <SteveF> ok i can rework it to fit into the new examples
  86. # [16:15] <darobin> it was not designed to disparage anyone, it was only used as a joke to avoid creationism to be taught in schools
  87. # [16:15] <SteveF> is there some way we can take the heat out of the example in some way?
  88. # [16:15] <SteveF> i got burned with my zappa example heading
  89. # [16:16] <darobin> SteveF: well I'd start with not labelling it "The Church"
  90. # [16:16] <SteveF> and don't want to spend time on un needed battles
  91. # [16:16] <darobin> but rather The Church of the Flying...
  92. # [16:16] <darobin> sure
  93. # [16:16] <SteveF> yeah that would help :_)
  94. # [16:17] <SteveF> anyway i can work with it when i edit and we can come to some agreement
  95. # [16:17] <SteveF> so we can move on to the next debacle
  96. # [16:19] <darobin> heh
  97. # [16:19] <SteveF> its only an editors draft you know
  98. # [16:20] <darobin> and it's going to stay that way if Ted never finished his script to process the algorithm bits :)
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  101. # [16:24] <stommepoes> SteveF who didn't like Zappa??
  102. # [16:26] <SteveF> stommepoes: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21926
  103. # [16:27] <stommepoes> hm
  104. # [16:27] <stommepoes> I'm also someone who typically uses goofy examples for stuff, but the W3C will always attract the attention of certain types... and while I would miss Mothers and FSM, maybe it's just less hair loss to lose them :(
  105. # [16:28] <stommepoes> btw http://stommepoes.nl/W3C/Overview.html
  106. # [16:28] <stommepoes> not tested in IE or anything
  107. # [16:28] <stommepoes> gotta do that at home
  108. # [16:28] <stommepoes> also didn't add in the dev text but that's easy to do
  109. # [16:29] <stommepoes> can also place the button next to the h1 and inline-block the h1 instead
  110. # [16:29] <SteveF> can't see the button in firefox?
  111. # [16:30] <stommepoes> lemme check
  112. # [16:30] <stommepoes> FF doesn't like something
  113. # [16:30] <stommepoes> was hoping to show you a raw whatsit
  114. # [16:31] <stommepoes> refresh
  115. # [16:32] <stommepoes> I've got it in FF/Chrome/Opera on Linux, you'll need to do Mac testing if you've got a Mac.
  116. # [16:32] <stommepoes> Tonight I test IE6/7/8, 9 if I've still got it
  117. # [16:32] <stommepoes> don't have 10 either
  118. # [16:32] <SteveF> nice
  119. # [16:33] <SteveF> works in IE 10
  120. # [16:33] <stommepoes> It's currently only checking the cookie onload. After that, all the events on the button are instead checking the text in the span... in case you want to change it, so you know.
  121. # [16:33] <stommepoes> That might not be a great decision but so far it's fine for this small exact thing. It's brittle.
  122. # [16:33] <SteveF> ok thats fine works 100% better than my attempt
  123. # [16:34] <darobin> MikeSmith: is there a historical reason why the HTML WG uses components for milestones, even though it does have milestones configured?
  124. # [16:34] <stommepoes> It expires in 7 days.
  125. # [16:34] <SteveF> coolio
  126. # [16:34] <SteveF> what do i need to do to add it?
  127. # [16:34] <stommepoes> Anyway, tonight I check on my older IE's, and throw it on github, and push. *or* you could just grab from Stommepoes.nl
  128. # [16:34] <stommepoes> Let's see...
  129. # [16:34] <stommepoes> in the HTML pages:
  130. # [16:34] <stommepoes> the last <style> tag I found I added this
  131. # [16:34] <stommepoes> #authorButton {position: fixed; right:2em; top:6em;}
  132. # [16:34] <stommepoes> </style>
  133. # [16:35] <stommepoes> <link href="http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/TR/W3C-ED" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"><!--<link href="switcher/W3C-ED-au.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">-->
  134. # [16:35] <stommepoes> <link href="teststylesheet.css" id="authors" rel="alternate stylesheet" media="screen,projection" title="Author documentation only">
  135. # [16:35] <stommepoes> <script src="authorstylesheet.js"></script>
  136. # [16:35] <stommepoes> <body class="split index" onload="fixBrokenLink();"><div class="head" id="head">
  137. # [16:35] <stommepoes> so I didn't touch the body
  138. # [16:35] <stommepoes> then http://stommepoes.nl/W3C/authorstylesheet.js and the test stylesheet of course http://stommepoes.nl/W3C/teststylesheet.css
  139. # [16:36] <stommepoes> If it's only changing two or so things, it might have been better to just add/remove a class on the body and use the cookie
  140. # [16:36] <stommepoes> but I didn't know
  141. # [16:36] <stommepoes> You only had two things but I figured that was testing
  142. # [16:45] <SteveF> ok so I can just look at the example page you provided and work off that?
  143. # [16:46] <SteveF> you are the bomb!
  144. # [16:47] <stommepoes> You just need:
  145. # [16:47] <stommepoes> all W3C HTML pages to list the authors link last (just to avoid those horrid !importants), keep the id="authors" on it (you had "author" but I adjusted), add in the JS after it, and... whatever CSS you want for the button, since it's appended to Body it's at the bottom like the bug report form thigie.
  146. # [16:48] <stommepoes> So whatever styles you actually want, put in a stylesheet and call in <link id="authors" rel="blah blah...>
  147. # [16:48] <stommepoes> You can also still do the innerHTML thing for the .dev span if you want, but I wonder if you just want to move the button there or something.
  148. # [16:49] <stommepoes> It also uses window.onload since I figure you'd want to wait until all the thingies are loaded before running this
  149. # [16:49] <stommepoes> images and whatever
  150. # [16:55] <SteveF> great!
  151. # [16:56] <stommepoes> damn I could just remove those enable/disable... they did more at one point but might as well just shove them back into the toggle()
  152. # [16:58] <stommepoes> Better
  153. # [17:02] <stommepoes> Much better.
  154. # [17:03] <stommepoes> Okay I'm going to stop messing with it
  155. # [17:03] <stommepoes> Won't touch it until tonight if IE has a fizzy
  156. # [17:04] <SteveF> ok
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  159. # [17:12] <SteveF> darobin:did you sort out the fork removal issue that paul raised?
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  161. # [17:21] <darobin> SteveF: not sure what you're talking about?
  162. # [17:23] <SteveF> you unforked a bit that removed some text that was important (apperently)
  163. # [17:25] <SteveF> darobin: have resent you relevant mail
  164. # [17:26] <darobin> oh that
  165. # [17:26] <darobin> no I haven't solved it yet
  166. # [17:26] <darobin> but I will
  167. # [17:26] <darobin> it's part of the "get this heartbeat done" stuff
  168. # [17:26] <darobin> but I'm blocked on the algo script thing anyway
  169. # [17:26] <SteveF> ok
  170. # [17:26] <darobin> I've been talking with Ted, we should have it by EOW
  171. # [17:26] <SteveF> cool
  172. # [17:27] <SteveF> what about <command>?
  173. # [17:28] <darobin> I forget what we agreed to do for this release
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  175. # [17:28] <darobin> I also need to fold in editorial_fixes — that's a big one
  176. # [17:29] <SteveF> lucky you
  177. # [17:29] <SteveF> you always get the glamorous stuff to do- bloody w3c staffers
  178. # [17:30] <SteveF> you and MikeSmith remind me of the ratpack
  179. # [17:32] <SteveF> MikeSmith: even looks like Dean Martin and has the dress sense to boot: https://twitter.com/sideshowbarker/status/330710730808631296
  180. # [17:34] <SteveF> re <command> we agreed to rename it <commando>
  181. # [17:35] <darobin> yeah, MikeSmith is incredibly stylish there
  182. # [17:35] <darobin> I'm going to need to buy a tie
  183. # [17:37] <MikeSmith> heh
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  216. # [19:48] <MikeSmith> darobin: about your earlier question, no there is not a historical reason why we used multiple components instead of milestones
  217. # [19:48] <MikeSmith> we just never used milestones before for anything in the group
  218. # [19:49] <MikeSmith> or most any other group I've dealt with
  219. # [19:49] <MikeSmith> though I did I set a bunch up earlier this year for Hixie for the whatwg product
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  226. # [21:26] <SteveF> bugzilla down?
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