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  91. # [17:44] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/f943e377fa9fbde75bbfda1d58dfbe2972395c5f
  92. # [17:44] <gitbot> html/master f943e37 stevefaulkner: Update middle-w3c-html-magic
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  95. # [17:45] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/f4efb211f212b4fe8f44deb55dc3f318d07dad65
  96. # [17:45] <gitbot> html/master f4efb21 stevefaulkner: Update middle-w3c-version
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  101. # [17:51] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/b6bc7d822cdce917efb04b143bed5dcf0c6a70ef
  102. # [17:51] <gitbot> html/master b6bc7d8 stevefaulkner: Update middle-w3c-version
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  106. # [17:53] <gitbot> html/master 70e86dc stevefaulkner: Update middle-w3c-html-magic
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  110. # [17:54] <gitbot> html/master 9602ae9 stevefaulkner: Update middle-w3c-styles
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  114. # [17:55] <gitbot> html/master 5f2870b stevefaulkner: Update middle-w3c-version
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  119. # [17:55] <gitbot> html/master d3eca0c stevefaulkner: Update header-w3c-html-core
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  123. # [18:00] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  124. # [18:00] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  126. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-html-wg-irc
  127. # [18:00] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  128. # [18:00] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  130. # [18:00] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  131. # [18:00] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
  132. # [18:00] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  133. # [18:00] <trackbot> Date: 09 May 2013
  134. # [18:00] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  135. # [18:00] <Zakim> + +1.626.379.aaaa
  136. # [18:00] <Zakim> +Sam
  137. # [18:01] <Zakim> + +1.206.850.aabb
  138. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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  142. # [18:02] <janina> zakim, ??P6 is me
  143. # [18:02] <Zakim> +janina; got it
  144. # [18:02] <krisk> zakim, Microsoft is krisk
  145. # [18:02] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
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  147. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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  149. # [18:03] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft has me
  150. # [18:03] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
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  152. # [18:03] * rubys is looking for a volunteer to scribe
  153. # [18:03] <Bin_Hu> zakim, aadd is me
  154. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Bin_Hu; got it
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  158. # [18:05] <krisk> * I can scribe - let me pull up the agenda
  159. # [18:06] <Zakim> +MarkS
  160. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  161. # [18:06] <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
  162. # [18:06] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  163. # [18:07] <krisk> Chair: rubys
  164. # [18:07] <Zakim> -hober
  165. # [18:07] <krisk> scribe: krisk
  166. # [18:07] <krisk> TOPIC: 1. ACTION items due by Thursday, May 9
  167. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  168. # [18:08] <hober> Zakim, Apple is me
  169. # [18:08] <Zakim> +hober; got it
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  171. # [18:08] <krisk> ACTION-226: Make sure that the organizational structure of github
  172. # [18:08] * trackbot is adding a note to ACTION-226.
  173. # [18:08] <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-226 Make sure that the organizational structure of github test suite is well documented.
  174. # [18:08] <rubys> ACTION-226?
  175. # [18:08] * trackbot is looking up ACTION-226.
  176. # [18:08] <trackbot> ACTION-226 -- Kris Krueger to make sure that the organizational structure of github test suite is well documented -- due 2013-04-30 -- OPEN
  177. # [18:08] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/226
  178. # [18:08] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  179. # [18:08] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  180. # [18:08] <Zakim> +Plh
  181. # [18:08] <krisk> I have not made any progress but will have the wiki updated by next week
  182. # [18:08] <rubys> ACTION-226 due next week
  183. # [18:08] * trackbot is setting the due date on ACTION-226.
  184. # [18:08] <trackbot> Set ACTION-226 Make sure that the organizational structure of github test suite is well documented due date to next week.
  185. # [18:08] <krisk> TOPIC: New Issues This Week:
  186. # [18:08] <krisk> rubys: none
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  188. # [18:09] <krisk> rubys: let's talk about the f2f web performance at the enfo (other business)
  189. # [18:09] <krisk> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
  190. # [18:09] <krisk> rubys: none
  191. # [18:09] <krisk> TOPIC: Items Closing Next Week
  192. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Tantek
  193. # [18:10] <krisk> rubys: actually this should be 'closing' this week
  194. # [18:10] <krisk> CfC: remove Microdata from HTML 5.0, incorporate Microdata into 5.1
  195. # [18:10] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0000.html
  196. # [18:10] <krisk> tantek: can we discuss the microdata moves to 5.1?
  197. # [18:11] <krisk> rubys: yes
  198. # [18:11] <krisk> rubys: we are moving all of microdata from the htm5.0 spec and into 5.1
  199. # [18:12] <krisk> tantek: I'd like to promote the use of extension specs
  200. # [18:12] <krisk> tantek: Maybe this could be done with microdata?
  201. # [18:13] <krisk> rubys: if the whatwg makes this a seperate spec then this could be done, though if not we would need a editor to signup to do this work
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  205. # [18:14] <krisk> rubys: right now we are just focused on 5.0 and don't want to make a rash move to remove it completely
  206. # [18:14] <krisk> tantek: Having this in 5.1 seems to go against our modulatity principals
  207. # [18:15] <krisk> rubys: tantek can you send a mail to the list to make sure the group has consensus?
  208. # [18:15] <krisk> tantek: sure
  209. # [18:16] <Zakim> +glenn
  210. # [18:16] <krisk> rubys: I don't think you are missing anything other then the ask for a editor to sign up for the work.
  211. # [18:17] <krisk> rubys: please bring this up on the list and we can discuss what we want to do beyond removing from HTML5.0
  212. # [18:18] <krisk> rubys: any other comments other than bring this up on the list?
  213. # [18:18] <glenn> :)
  214. # [18:18] <tantek> Thanks Sam and Daniel for the discussion
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  216. # [18:18] <krisk> TOPIC: Decisions this week
  217. # [18:18] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0030.html
  218. # [18:19] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/05/perspectives_on_encrypted_medi.html
  219. # [18:19] <tantek> Zakim, mute tantek
  220. # [18:19] <Zakim> Tantek should now be muted
  221. # [18:19] <krisk> rubys: one decision has occured to allow EME to proceed as a First Public Working draft
  222. # [18:20] <krisk> glenn: If a format objection occurs, will this reverse the FPWD?
  223. # [18:20] <rubys> s/format/formal/
  224. # [18:21] <Zakim> -Tantek
  225. # [18:21] <krisk> plh: The process would (object) doesn't apply until last call, in this instance the Director actually looked earlier in the process
  226. # [18:21] <Zakim> +Tantek
  227. # [18:21] <krisk> glenn: I am happy to see things move forward
  228. # [18:21] <krisk> TOPIC: Task Force Reports
  229. # [18:21] <tantek> Zakim, Tantek is tantek
  230. # [18:21] <Zakim> +tantek; got it
  231. # [18:22] <krisk> SUBTOPIC: Testing Task Force
  232. # [18:22] <plh> s/The process would (object) doesn't apply until last call/The process doesn't require the Director to address Formal Objections prior to the move out of Last Call/
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  234. # [18:22] <krisk> krisk: I don't have much to report here - I was not able to make the meeting this week
  235. # [18:22] <plh> s/in this instance the Director actually looked earlier in the process/there has been instances where the Director did however, such as microdata for example
  236. # [18:22] <krisk> krisk: Though I should have more to report next time
  237. # [18:23] <Zakim> -tantek
  238. # [18:23] <krisk> SUBTOPIC: Accessibility Task Force
  239. # [18:23] <Zakim> +tantek
  240. # [18:23] <krisk> Group has continued to meet
  241. # [18:24] <krisk> The group has focused on what areas of the spec need testing
  242. # [18:24] <janina> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21985
  243. # [18:25] <krisk> We are working on getting bugs that impact 5.0 taken care of..
  244. # [18:25] <krisk> We are working on the extension specs such and have these ready in June
  245. # [18:26] <Zakim> -tantek
  246. # [18:26] <krisk> The group is working on creating proposal for 'transcript' - ISSUE 194
  247. # [18:26] <Zakim> +tantek
  248. # [18:26] <krisk> rubys: any other questions or comments for Janina?
  249. # [18:27] <krisk> SUBTOPIC: Media Task Force
  250. # [18:27] <krisk> rubys: anyone here to provide status?
  251. # [18:27] <krisk> TOPIC: Other Business
  252. # [18:27] <krisk> Proposal: stop work on "HTML: The Markup Language" and "HTML5:
  253. # [18:27] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0016.html
  254. # [18:28] <krisk> rubys: please take a look at the list, no specific date
  255. # [18:29] <krisk> daniel: It would be good to have this for authors
  256. # [18:29] <krisk> rubys: The belief is that this is being addressed in another better mechanism vs the xlst/xml transforms
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  258. # [18:30] <krisk> daniel: This seems like a key deliverable for authors and I'd like to see this not be dropped
  259. # [18:30] <krisk> ...I'll look on the list for more information
  260. # [18:30] <krisk> rubys: please do
  261. # [18:31] <krisk> janina: It seems it's more about how we do this rather than not doing this work
  262. # [18:31] <krisk> rubys: correct
  263. # [18:31] <krisk> daniel: I'll catch up on this via the list
  264. # [18:32] <krisk> SUBTOPIC: Web Performance and Error Handling from F2F
  265. # [18:33] <krisk> The WP WG is looking to have a futrue proof errors beyond networking (DNS, TCPIP, etc) such that it covers css, html, javascript errors
  266. # [18:34] <krisk> The upshot is that the WP WG should be able to accomidate this for these newer classes
  267. # [18:34] <krisk> daniel has an action item to go look for specific examples where this could be used in the HTML spec
  268. # [18:34] <krisk> rubys: and other business to discuss?
  269. # [18:34] * plh is going to be away next week
  270. # [18:34] <krisk> rubys: Scribe for next meeting?
  271. # [18:35] <Zakim> - +1.626.379.aaaa
  272. # [18:35] <Zakim> -hober
  273. # [18:35] <krisk> rubys: Adjournment
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  275. # [18:35] <Zakim> -janina
  276. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Bin_Hu
  277. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Plh
  278. # [18:35] <Zakim> -tantek
  279. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Sam
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  281. # [18:35] <Zakim> -glenn
  282. # [18:35] <Zakim> - +1.818.406.aacc
  283. # [18:35] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  284. # [18:35] <krisk> RRSAgent, make logs public
  285. # [18:35] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, krisk
  286. # [18:35] <krisk> rrsagent, generate minutes
  287. # [18:35] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-html-wg-minutes.html krisk
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  291. # [18:38] <Zakim> -krisk
  292. # [18:38] <Zakim> -MarkS
  293. # [18:38] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  294. # [18:38] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.626.379.aaaa, Sam, +1.206.850.aabb, janina, krisk, +1.818.406.aacc, jaymunro, +1.425.214.aadd, Bin_Hu, MarkS, hober, Plh, glenn, tantek
  295. # [18:38] <Mark> rrsagent, make minutes
  296. # [18:38] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/09-html-wg-minutes.html Mark
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  329. # [20:55] <gitbot> html/master 2f71247 StommePoes: Adjusted JS for IE7,8,9; does not work for IE6. CSS in Overview.html adjusted for IE7,8
  330. # [20:55] <gitbot> html/master bdd578b StommePoes: Die quick if no author stylesheets
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