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  47. # [01:53] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/299919da82ec2bf6fbc4d263de951cf4e92711c3
  48. # [01:53] <gitbot> syntax/master 299919d Michael[tm] Smith: Make section@role=main OK. Thanks Katrin Kerber.
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  103. # [10:17] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/f69bf687a2d3f4d26ec020873d0b07abf479762f
  104. # [10:17] <gitbot> html/master f69bf68 steve faulkner: adding images for alt section
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  110. # [10:39] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/35f7d11b36f9024f033746ad78003c2106ac9c5f
  111. # [10:39] <gitbot> html/master 35f7d11 steve faulkner: update A link or button containing only an image...
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  113. # [10:43] <SteveF> darobin: FYI started updating alt section of spec
  114. # [10:43] <darobin> SteveF: saw the commits, thanks!
  115. # [10:43] <darobin> this means I now need to train myself to stop typing crocofuck all the time
  116. # [10:44] <SteveF> darobin: LOL
  117. # [10:44] <darobin> I think I caught all the cases in which it happened, but it was close
  118. # [10:44] <SteveF> darobin: hope to have the section done - initial pass for review over next few days
  119. # [10:45] <darobin> wunderbar
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  123. # [11:02] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/35f7d11b36f9...eac9210e5cdf
  124. # [11:02] <gitbot> html/master ab21c2d steve faulkner: new image file
  125. # [11:02] <gitbot> html/master eac9210 steve faulkner: fixed up code of last alt commit
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  129. # [11:05] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/91cce442a960877ead12228dda273fb30be7789d
  130. # [11:05] <gitbot> html/master 91cce44 steve faulkner: changed image from jif to ping
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  135. # [11:33] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/fc3087378687958edc7efcf5ca8b79e843085be6
  136. # [11:33] <gitbot> html/master fc30873 steve faulkner: added button example...
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  140. # [11:52] <gitbot> [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/3dbfd9ea2db1da43c04385a8f7e90746a16bf614
  141. # [11:52] <gitbot> html/master 3dbfd9e steve faulkner: tweaked exampce code
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  147. # [12:43] <stommepoes> SteveF are you just adding newlines?
  148. # [12:43] <SteveF> where?
  149. # [12:43] <stommepoes> last gitbot link for example
  150. # [12:44] <SteveF> i removed <br> tags in <pre> and made it into new lines
  151. # [12:45] <SteveF> also aligned pre code lines
  152. # [12:45] <stommepoes> so you're fixing this http://stommepoes.nl/newlinesw3c.png not creating it?
  153. # [12:46] <stommepoes> if fixing, good job, the newlines are annoying. It's like reading a bad email
  154. # [12:46] <SteveF> yeah i will fix those as most examples are being replaced or updated
  155. # [12:47] <SteveF> apparently it was done to show that code can be done that way...
  156. # [12:48] <SteveF> or maybe not anyways will fix thanks for pointing out
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  159. # [12:51] <SteveF> stommepoes: where alt attribute content is really long its getting nixed as its not good practice
  160. # [12:52] <stommepoes> For the stars example I tend to add an x for each thingie, and use an apart line somewhere to say what it means
  161. # [12:52] <stommepoes> yeah I thought they were pretty long
  162. # [12:52] <stommepoes> the rorschach... I dunno that I would describe what those are, I feel that belongs elsewhere
  163. # [12:54] <stommepoes> right now I've changed some divs (fake checkboxes) holding background images to actual X's covered up by the images instead, and added a hidden line stating how many items are checked. I'm constrained by the graphic design but I think due to image-off/css-off sighted use case, that x representing star is more correct.
  164. # [12:54] <stommepoes> Only reason I don't use real stars for stars is IE/Windows has issues with unicode icons :/
  165. # [12:55] <stommepoes> Re my screenshot: if I lower my zoom the "is"s pop back in
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  167. # [13:24] <SteveF> darobin: how do you get w3 psec diffs to show? is it ?diff at end of url?
  168. # [13:27] <darobin> SteveF: ,diff
  169. # [13:27] <darobin> you can always just append a comma to see the list of tools
  170. # [13:28] <SteveF> cheers
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  191. # [17:59] <glenn> trackbot, start meeting
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  193. # [17:59] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  194. # [17:59] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  196. # [17:59] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  197. # [17:59] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  198. # [17:59] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  199. # [17:59] <trackbot> Date: 23 May 2013
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  201. # [18:00] <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
  202. # [18:00] <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3
  203. # [18:00] <Zakim> +Bin_Hu
  204. # [18:00] <janina> zakim, ??P3 is me
  205. # [18:00] <Zakim> +janina; got it
  206. # [18:00] <Zakim> +glenn
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  209. # [18:01] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013AprJun/0018.html
  210. # [18:01] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  211. # [18:01] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
  212. # [18:01] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  213. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  214. # [18:01] <Bin_Hu> present+ Bin_Hu
  215. # [18:01] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  216. # [18:01] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  217. # [18:01] <trackbot> Date: 23 May 2013
  218. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  219. # [18:01] <rubys> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013AprJun/0018.html
  220. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  221. # [18:01] <glenn> N0GNR
  222. # [18:01] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  223. # [18:01] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  224. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  225. # [18:01] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  226. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Sam
  227. # [18:02] <Eliot> zakim, microsoft.aa has me
  228. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  229. # [18:02] <krisk> zakim, Microsoft.a is me
  230. # [18:02] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  231. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Daniel
  232. # [18:02] <glenn> chair: paulc
  233. # [18:02] <glenn> scribenick: glenn
  234. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  235. # [18:02] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.a has me
  236. # [18:02] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
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  239. # [18:03] <paulc_> zakim, who is on the phone?
  240. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, Bin_Hu (muted), glenn, [Microsoft], krisk, [Microsoft.aa], Sam, Daniel, [Microsoft.a]
  241. # [18:03] <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has Eliot
  242. # [18:03] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  243. # [18:03] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has jaymunro
  244. # [18:03] <Zakim> + +1.818.406.aaaa
  245. # [18:03] <CyrilRa> Zakim, I am aaaa
  246. # [18:03] <Zakim> +CyrilRa; got it
  247. # [18:04] <paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013AprJun/0018.html
  248. # [18:05] <glenn> topic: Action Items Due this Week
  249. # [18:05] <glenn> ACTION-226?
  250. # [18:05] * trackbot is looking up ACTION-226.
  251. # [18:05] <trackbot> ACTION-226 -- Kris Krueger to make sure that the organizational structure of github test suite is well documented -- due 2013-05-13 -- CLOSED
  252. # [18:05] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/226
  253. # [18:05] <glenn> krit: updated this morning
  254. # [18:05] <paulc_> s/krit/kris/
  255. # [18:06] <glenn> ... discussed at previous F2F
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  257. # [18:06] <glenn> ... posted to wiki
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  259. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aaa]
  260. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  261. # [18:06] <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aaa] is me
  262. # [18:06] <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
  263. # [18:06] <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
  264. # [18:06] <Zakim> +hober; got it
  265. # [18:06] <glenn> paulc: has been closed
  266. # [18:07] <glenn> topic: New Issues this Week
  267. # [18:07] <glenn> paulc: none
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  269. # [18:07] <glenn> topic: Items Closing this Week
  270. # [18:07] <krisk> I updated the wiki at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Testing that covers Action Item 226
  271. # [18:07] <glenn> Pre-Last Call period for Media Source Extensions (MSE) closed on Wed May 22
  272. # [18:07] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0001.html
  273. # [18:07] <glenn> paulc: will create now LC draft
  274. # [18:08] <glenn> glenn: notes new bugs coming from OIPF
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  276. # [18:08] <glenn> paulc: has made those folks aware of pre-LC timing
  277. # [18:08] <glenn> paulc: they decided to file bugs
  278. # [18:09] <paulc_> MSE bugs: http://tinyurl.com/6pdnzej
  279. # [18:09] <glenn> paulc: see link above
  280. # [18:10] <glenn> ... 23 bugs, most filed recently, some technical
  281. # [18:10] <glenn> ... pre-LC has had a good effect
  282. # [18:10] <glenn> ... Media TF will take up
  283. # [18:10] <glenn> CfC: stop work on "HTML: The Markup Language" and "HTML5: Edition for Web Authors" closed on Thu May 23
  284. # [18:10] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0069.html
  285. # [18:10] <glenn> paulc: this closes tonight midnite Eastern, no objection so far
  286. # [18:11] <glenn> ... if passes, then candidate docs ready for pubs as WG Notes
  287. # [18:11] <glenn> ... links went out earlier this week
  288. # [18:11] <glenn> ... here:
  289. # [18:11] <paulc_> See ready to go WG Notes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0087.html
  290. # [18:11] <glenn> topic: New Calls this Week
  291. # [18:11] <glenn> CfC: Publish three heartbeat drafts as WDs closes Tue May 28
  292. # [18:11] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0085.html
  293. # [18:12] <glenn> paulc: chairs have been working on this, and thanks to editors for breaking through tech issues
  294. # [18:12] <glenn> ... closes on Tuesday next week
  295. # [18:12] <glenn> ... if passes will publish on TR page next week
  296. # [18:12] <glenn> CfC: Publish main element extension specification as WG Note closes Tue May 28
  297. # [18:12] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0086.html
  298. # [18:13] <glenn> paulc: has been folded into 5.1 and 5.0, will take doc on TR page and turn into WG Note
  299. # [18:13] <glenn> ... will indicate no longer active developed doc
  300. # [18:13] <glenn> ... will use this for future similar cases
  301. # [18:13] <Zakim> +tantek
  302. # [18:13] <glenn> CfC: remove Microdata from HTML 5.0
  303. # [18:13] <glenn> paulc: in agenda, shows link
  304. # [18:14] <glenn> CfC: remove Microdata from HTML 5.0, incorporate Microdata into 5.1, publish Microdata doc as a W3C note
  305. # [18:14] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0000.html
  306. # [18:14] <glenn> paulc: above is original link
  307. # [18:14] <glenn> paulc: expressed some concerns
  308. # [18:14] <glenn> s/expressed/tantek expressed/
  309. # [18:14] <glenn> paulc: Charles wants work to proceed
  310. # [18:14] <glenn> ... discussion is ongoing
  311. # [18:15] <paulc_> See discussion thread at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0099.html
  312. # [18:15] <glenn> Tantek's response against continuing work on Microdata
  313. # [18:15] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0139.html
  314. # [18:15] <glenn> Charles' response for continuing work on Microdata
  315. # [18:15] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0099.html
  316. # [18:15] <glenn> Status: Chairs currently recommend that we let this dialogue continue.
  317. # [18:15] <glenn> paulc: any comments?
  318. # [18:16] <glenn> tantek: if there are supporters, then they need to do the work...
  319. # [18:16] <glenn> ... i.e., implementation support work
  320. # [18:16] <glenn> paulc: notes that just restates what was in email
  321. # [18:16] <glenn> ... needs to let dialog continue for a while
  322. # [18:17] <glenn> topic: Task Force Reports
  323. # [18:17] <Zakim> -tantek
  324. # [18:17] <glenn> Accessibility Task Force
  325. # [18:17] <glenn> janina: continue to meet
  326. # [18:17] <glenn> ... coordinating activities ... edits to ALT attribute section of spec
  327. # [18:18] <glenn> ... in ARIA mappings document, could wait for ALT attribute work
  328. # [18:18] <glenn> ... some folks are away this week
  329. # [18:19] <glenn> ... biggest item: coordination of spec testing related to a11y features
  330. # [18:19] <tantek> Note: paulc_ my comment was genuine. I have no objection to continuing discussions and my vote of confidence in the chairs to guide it is also genuine. I'll speak up again if I have new information to provide in the topic. Thanks.
  331. # [18:19] <glenn> ... paulc will help with this
  332. # [18:19] <glenn> paulc: notes CfC in TF on longdesc
  333. # [18:20] <glenn> janina: published in Feb, bugs processed, some handled, some changes performed
  334. # [18:20] <glenn> ... preparing for LC on doc, but wants to do new WD (stablization draft)
  335. # [18:20] <glenn> ... i.e., a pre-LC
  336. # [18:21] <glenn> ... then TF facilitators will request spec work from HTML Eds once process completed
  337. # [18:21] <glenn> ... expect request within a week
  338. # [18:22] <glenn> Testing Task Force
  339. # [18:22] <krisk> We met on 5/21 as planned
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  341. # [18:22] <krisk> Here is the IRC logs http://www.w3.org/2013/05/21-htmlt-irc
  342. # [18:23] <glenn> s/krit/krisk/
  343. # [18:23] <glenn> s/krit/krisk/g
  344. # [18:23] <glenn> krisk: encourages attendance at upcoming TTWF in Tokyo
  345. # [18:23] <glenn> Media Task Force
  346. # [18:23] <krisk> Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2013May/0002.html
  347. # [18:23] <glenn> paulc: met on tuesday
  348. # [18:23] <paulc_> TF minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2013May/0113.html
  349. # [18:24] <glenn> paulc: spent last meeting on EME bugs, some long outstanding
  350. # [18:24] <krisk> Meeting just made sure we didn't have violent disagreement about GitHub organization 'master' and 'cr' branches in the 'web platform tests'
  351. # [18:24] <glenn> ... issued 9-10 new AIs to resolve
  352. # [18:24] <glenn> ... will meet again (on EME) in 2 weeks
  353. # [18:25] <glenn> ... MSE will meet this upcoming Tuesday
  354. # [18:25] <paulc_> MSE bugs: http://tinyurl.com/6pdnzej
  355. # [18:25] <glenn> ... pre-LC has ended, with ~20 bugs filed
  356. # [18:25] <glenn> paulc: MSE folks will focus on these new bugs, then prepare WD for LC
  357. # [18:25] <glenn> paulc: AOB
  358. # [18:26] <glenn> topic: AOB
  359. # [18:26] <glenn> TextTrack API changes
  360. # [18:26] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Apr/0027.html
  361. # [18:26] <glenn> Status: What are the next steps on this matter?
  362. # [18:26] <Zakim> -glenn
  363. # [18:26] <glenn> hold, calling in again
  364. # [18:27] <Zakim> +glenn
  365. # [18:27] <tantek> While Glenn is calling in, let me clarify re: md as a separate doc:
  366. # [18:28] <tantek> No objections to Yandex editing md as a wd/cr and continuing work on it.
  367. # [18:28] <glenn> glenn: dialog needs to continue
  368. # [18:28] <glenn> paulc: requests glenn to revive thread, summarizing agreements and open issues
  369. # [18:28] <glenn> Action: glenn to revive thread on text track cue open bugs
  370. # [18:28] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  371. # [18:28] * RRSAgent records action 1
  372. # [18:28] <trackbot> Created ACTION-228 - Revive thread on text track cue open bugs [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-05-30].
  373. # [18:29] <glenn> Overview of testing in view of CR exit
  374. # [18:29] <glenn> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0059.html
  375. # [18:29] <glenn> Status: The Chairs plan to bring this to the WG for a CfC on subsets of the recommendations.
  376. # [18:29] <glenn> paulc: will bring this to WG as series of CfCs
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  378. # [18:29] <glenn> ... no active plan yet, beginning dialog among chairs
  379. # [18:30] <tantek> Will also note that Yandex also supports indexing microformats in addition to md: http://microformats.org/wiki/yandex-search without a need for microformats to be in a monolithic HTML5.x spec, thus there shouldn't be any problems with them similarly supporting md. Thanks, that was the only new information I thought of.
  380. # [18:30] <glenn> ... need consensus from WG on how to apply DAR's material
  381. # [18:30] <glenn> ... i.e., DAR's record from recent F2F
  382. # [18:31] <glenn> ... need to start putting these decisions in front of WG, should have something in the next 2 weeks
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  384. # [18:31] <Zakim> -CyrilRa
  385. # [18:31] <glenn> topic: Scribe for Next Meeting
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  387. # [18:31] <glenn> paulc: paulc will chair next week
  388. # [18:31] <paulc_> rrsagent, generate minutes
  389. # [18:31] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-wg-minutes.html paulc_
  390. # [18:31] <krisk> I can help
  391. # [18:31] <glenn> ... any volunteers for scribing
  392. # [18:31] <krisk> scribe
  393. # [18:31] <glenn> krisk volunteers
  394. # [18:32] <glenn> paulc: thanks krisk for volunteering
  395. # [18:32] <Zakim> -Daniel
  396. # [18:32] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  397. # [18:32] <Zakim> -krisk
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  399. # [18:32] <Zakim> -janina
  400. # [18:32] <Zakim> -adrianba
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  402. # [18:32] <glenn> trackbot, end meeting
  403. # [18:32] * trackbot is ending a teleconference.
  404. # [18:32] <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
  405. # [18:32] <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Bin_Hu, janina, glenn, paulc, [Microsoft], Sam, Eliot, krisk, Daniel, jaymunro, +1.818.406.aaaa, CyrilRa, adrianba, hober, tantek
  406. # [18:32] * Parts: janina (~janina@public.cloak) (janina)
  407. # [18:32] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  408. # [18:32] <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
  409. # [18:32] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-wg-minutes.html trackbot
  410. # [18:32] <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
  411. # [18:32] <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-wg-actions.rdf :
  412. # [18:32] <RRSAgent> ACTION: glenn to revive thread on text track cue open bugs [1]
  413. # [18:32] <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-wg-irc#T16-28-35
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  415. # [18:33] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  416. # [18:33] <Zakim> -Bin_Hu
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  422. # [18:39] <glenn> zakim, bye
  423. # [18:39] <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were Bin_Hu, janina, glenn, paulc, [Microsoft], Sam, Eliot, krisk, Daniel, jaymunro, +1.818.406.aaaa, CyrilRa, adrianba, hober, tantek
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