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  51. # [10:55] <SteveF> MikeSmith: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013Jun/0070.html go figure
  52. # [11:02] <MikeSmith> SteveF: we need a way to mod spec changes up and down
  53. # [11:03] <SteveF> MikeSmith:?
  54. # [11:05] <MikeSmith> so people can vote for whether they like the change
  55. # [11:06] <MikeSmith> like for that figure change
  56. # [11:08] <SteveF> MikseSmith: really? think its better to get reasoned feedback
  57. # [11:10] <MikeSmith> yeah we also need a way to mod the feedback up and down
  58. # [11:10] <SteveF> MikeSmith: what i don't want is changes such as the above added to the spec because its easy, I want to find out if it is an improvement
  59. # [11:10] <SteveF> MikeSmith: so how do we do that?
  60. # [11:12] <MikeSmith> dunno. subreddit for spec feedback?
  61. # [11:13] <SteveF> MikeSmith: what we should be aiming for in the spec is text that is clear to authors to avoid endless debate
  62. # [11:14] <SteveF> MikeSmith: such as http://html5doctor.com/html5-simplequiz-7-pinterest/ which prompted the change to the HTML spec
  63. # [11:14] <MikeSmith> yeah
  64. # [11:29] <MikeSmith> SteveF: actually I think your aproach of posting to public-html is the right way
  65. # [11:29] <MikeSmith> and a good use of the list
  66. # [11:30] <SteveF> MikeSmith: cool
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  73. # [13:36] <stommepoes> SteveF the additional warnings about referencing a moved figure are useful to devs
  74. # [13:36] <SteveF> stommepoes: can you reply on list?
  75. # [13:37] <SteveF> stommepoes: oh i see you did thanks
  76. # [13:39] <stommepoes> : )
  77. # [13:39] <stommepoes> At first I'd missed his list of examples, and I was going to say Noooooooo! But he's got them in there
  78. # [13:39] <stommepoes> As a developer I notice I can read a technical definition and see an elephant when it's actually describing a dog
  79. # [13:39] <stommepoes> but examples show the way
  80. # [13:41] <SteveF> stommepoes: seems the advice is general though, same advice could be don't reference something inside an article that is outside the article (for example)
  81. # [13:41] <stommepoes> yeah I had to read it a few times
  82. # [13:41] <stommepoes> First time I read it, I felt pretty lost
  83. # [13:42] <stommepoes> the newer text
  84. # [13:42] <stommepoes> But when I started comparing it to the original, maybe I was using teh original for context? it made some more sense.
  85. # [13:43] <stommepoes> Or, the original could add in the useful stuff: explain (or link) what is self-contained and mention the preferred/sane method of referencing a moved figure
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  87. # [13:56] <SteveF> stommepoes: what I am looking to do is make stuff easier to understand for devs/authors and clearer too
  88. # [14:00] <stommepoes> examples are always the clearest for someone like me
  89. # [14:00] <stommepoes> and all specs I have to read 2 or three times to "get"
  90. # [14:00] <stommepoes> dunno how many authors are like that
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  94. # [14:03] * Topic is 'http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013AprJun/0025.html'
  95. # [14:03] * Set by rubys on Thu Jun 06 17:57:03
  96. # [14:03] <stommepoes> That's what *makes sense* but it can be technically inaccurate
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  101. # [14:15] <SteveF> stommepoes: something that is technically accurate but interpreted inaccurately by people is practically innacurate :-)
  102. # [14:16] <SteveF> stommepoes: i should say interpreted inaccurately because its language is arcane or unfathomable
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  107. # [15:50] <stommepoes> SteveF agreed. But so, instead of asking wg, maybe this should be asked (or tested on) devs (kinda like the html5doc article did)
  108. # [15:51] <SteveF> stommepoes: hoping to get input from range of peeples, tweeted about it will do further outreah as weel
  109. # [15:51] <SteveF> outreach
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  139. # [17:59] <gitbot> [html] techtoons pushed 1 new commit to html5_canvas_CR: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/e39702df26606c248e4446f4371ca5ce73912e61
  140. # [17:59] <gitbot> html/html5_canvas_CR e39702d Jay Munro: CR Status document...
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  146. # [18:01] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  147. # [18:01] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  149. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-html-wg-irc
  150. # [18:01] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  151. # [18:01] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  153. # [18:01] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  154. # [18:01] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  155. # [18:01] <trackbot> Date: 20 June 2013
  156. # [18:01] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start now
  157. # [18:01] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  158. # [18:01] <Zakim> +Sam
  159. # [18:02] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  160. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Mark_Sadecki
  161. # [18:02] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  162. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Plh
  163. # [18:02] * plh waves
  164. # [18:02] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  165. # [18:02] <krisk> Zakim, [Microsoft] is krisk
  166. # [18:02] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
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  168. # [18:03] <krisk> * rubys I can scribe if needed
  169. # [18:03] <rubys> zakim, who is on the call?
  170. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see Sam, Mark_Sadecki, Plh, krisk
  171. # [18:03] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  172. # [18:03] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft has me
  173. # [18:03] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  174. # [18:06] * plh brb
  175. # [18:07] <krisk> * rubys just let me know when you want to start
  176. # [18:07] * plh back
  177. # [18:07] <krisk> scribe: krisk
  178. # [18:08] <krisk> chair: rubys
  179. # [18:08] <krisk> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013AprJun/0029.html
  180. # [18:08] <krisk> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, June 20
  181. # [18:08] <krisk> none
  182. # [18:08] <krisk> TOPIC: New Calls this week
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  184. # [18:08] <krisk> CfC: Approve overview of testing in view of permissive CR exit criteria due Monday July 15th
  185. # [18:08] <krisk> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jun/0033.html
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  188. # [18:09] <krisk> rubys: we have had feedback (some positive, some negative)
  189. # [18:09] <krisk> rubys: I encourage people to provide feedback
  190. # [18:09] <krisk> TOPIC: Task Force Reports
  191. # [18:09] <krisk> SUBTOPIC: Accessibility Task Force
  192. # [18:10] <krisk> The image description comment period is closed
  193. # [18:10] <krisk> we one comment and 3 bugs
  194. # [18:10] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  195. # [18:11] <krisk> ..a new editors draft comming
  196. # [18:11] <krisk> ..the group will also review the CFC for testing
  197. # [18:11] <Eliot> zakim, microsoft.a has me
  198. # [18:11] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  199. # [18:11] <krisk> SUBTOPIC: Testing Task Force
  200. # [18:12] <krisk> We met as planned this week
  201. # [18:12] <krisk> ..on the #testing IRC channel (no one got lost)
  202. # [18:12] <krisk> notes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2013Jun/0004.html
  203. # [18:14] <krisk> The TTWF site is being transitioned to github
  204. # [18:15] <krisk> Action item to update this site with more perscriptive info on what tests to write
  205. # [18:15] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  206. # [18:15] <trackbot> Error finding 'item'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/users>.
  207. # [18:15] <krisk> Some Form submission tests submitted from the Toyko TTWF event
  208. # [18:15] <krisk> ..good but no alot of tests for HTML5
  209. # [18:16] <krisk> Group discussed the testing CFC
  210. # [18:16] <krisk> SUBTOPIC: Media Task Force
  211. # [18:16] <krisk> no information to reports
  212. # [18:16] <krisk> TOPIC: Other Business
  213. # [18:17] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  214. # [18:17] * Zakim sees on the phone: Sam, Mark_Sadecki, Plh, krisk, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a]
  215. # [18:17] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  216. # [18:17] * Zakim [Microsoft] has jaymunro
  217. # [18:17] <krisk> rubys: we have asked the canvas editors to create an assement of each section like the HTML spec
  218. # [18:18] <krisk> Eliot: Jay just pushed and update to the canvas doc and will be reviewed
  219. # [18:18] <krisk> plh: I look forward to reviewing
  220. # [18:18] <krisk> rubys: any other, other business?
  221. # [18:19] <krisk> rubys: paulc will be chair and plh will scribe
  222. # [18:19] <krisk> Note that the group will not have a meeting in two weeks July 4th
  223. # [18:19] <Zakim> -Mark_Sadecki
  224. # [18:19] <Zakim> -Plh
  225. # [18:19] <Zakim> -Sam
  226. # [18:19] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  227. # [18:20] <krisk> rubys: no more agenda items so let's adjourn
  228. # [18:20] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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  234. # [18:54] <gitbot> [html] techtoons pushed 1 new commit to html5_canvas_CR: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/061e608ead096d25d14c3f2b9c3d3796cca05558
  235. # [18:54] <gitbot> html/html5_canvas_CR 061e608 Jay Munro: added webplatform.org as resource...
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  240. # [19:21] <Zakim> -krisk
  241. # [19:21] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  242. # [19:21] <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, Mark_Sadecki, Plh, krisk, jaymunro, [Microsoft], Eliot
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  244. # [19:23] <krisk> rrsagent, generate minutes
  245. # [19:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-html-wg-minutes.html krisk
  246. # [19:24] <krisk> RRSAgent, make logs public
  247. # [19:24] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, krisk
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The end :)