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  76. # [14:05] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/c2ea923ab29d365dc61a829ca268cd0689479639
  77. # [14:05] <gitbot> syntax/master c2ea923 Michael[tm] Smith: Allow <li role=menuitem>. Thanks SteveF.
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  80. # [14:12] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/d94c5d74c9226224dafe5cb7794e53d161305e30
  81. # [14:12] <gitbot> syntax/master d94c5d7 Michael[tm] Smith: Allow meta@name=skype_toolbar per W3C bug 22053.
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  85. # [14:26] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/dd01aa63f451f0ccab35aa2818f919726a1649d7
  86. # [14:26] <gitbot> syntax/master dd01aa6 Michael[tm] Smith: Allow a|area@download. W3C bug 22325. Thx darobin
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  88. # [14:26] <darobin> np MikeSmith :)
  89. # [14:30] <MikeSmith> darobin: 🍺
  90. # [14:30] <darobin> ooh, yeah!
  91. # [14:33] <SteveF> darobin: re custom elements: pain = people having even more reason to make custom controls out of divs and spans
  92. # [14:33] <SteveF> darobin: which will require more use of scripted event handling and ARIA
  93. # [14:35] <SteveF> darobin: also there is potential stuff that needs to be investigated - me scratching surface a little here http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2012/07/notes-on-web-components-aria/
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  95. # [14:39] <SteveF> darobin: if devs do the extends/is stuff then it would be good, but from what i can <input is="fancy-input"> does not appear to help overcome styling issues of <input> , but I may well be wrong, it dos not bode well that the polymer examples are devoid of semantics and keyboard access html5accessibility.com/custom-elements/polymer-all/polymer-ui-elements/polymer-ui-icon-button/ http://html5accessi
  96. # [14:39] <SteveF> bility.com/custom-elements/polymer-all/polymer-ui-elements/polymer-ui-sidebar-menu/ http://html5accessibility.com/custom-elements/polymer-all/polymer-ui-elements/polymer-ui-menu/
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  98. # [14:43] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/602a2eb14331fa3aa149643fc60953504399f6ea
  99. # [14:43] <gitbot> syntax/master 602a2eb Michael[tm] Smith: Add more meta@name values. Fixes W3C bug 22227.
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  101. # [14:48] <darobin> SteveF: I don't think it gives more reason to make custom controls out of divs
  102. # [14:48] <darobin> I think the existing incentive remains the same, but the result it more easily identifiable as such
  103. # [14:49] <SteveF> darobin: OK thats opinion, for which you and i differ
  104. # [14:50] <darobin> re the aria-labelledby case you note, I see that it's an issue but it seems unlikely maybe?
  105. # [14:50] <darobin> in any case I reckon we can find a solution
  106. # [14:51] <darobin> IMHO WebComps mean less usage of data-* and other such constructs, which in turn means that there can be more of the type of semantics that help A11Y
  107. # [14:51] <SteveF> darobin: I didin't say we couldn't find a solution and don't dislike web c
  108. # [14:51] <darobin> more reusable code makes it easier to get devs to DTRT wrt ARIA in their controls
  109. # [14:51] <SteveF> its another use case for aria
  110. # [14:52] <darobin> because you'll eventually fix the A11Y issues if it's code you're reusing, less so if it's some throwaway thing you did for a client once
  111. # [14:53] <SteveF> I was responding to plh's comment, attempting to convey that ramifications for acc are many fold
  112. # [14:53] <SteveF> sure
  113. # [14:55] <SteveF> i don't see much steam behind <button is...) though unfortunately
  114. # [14:56] <SteveF> people use divs etc because they want to be freed from styling constraints, does web components relieve that?
  115. # [15:13] <darobin> SteveF: it helps
  116. # [15:13] <darobin> it gives you scoped styling right there
  117. # [15:14] <SteveF> darobin: good as I say again just in case you missed it :-) i am not against web components actually excited by potential
  118. # [15:14] <SteveF> but do think that there will be acc issues
  119. # [15:14] <darobin> I didn't miss that :)
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  121. # [15:15] <darobin> I just want to make sure that if there are clear acc issues identified now we don't wait two years to solve them
  122. # [15:15] <SteveF> darobin: well to clearly identify acc issues need to review more...
  123. # [15:16] <SteveF> darobin: and i have plenty of time to do that...
  124. # [15:16] <darobin> so watcha doing chatting on IRC then? :)
  125. # [15:16] <SteveF> darobin: looking forward to seeing real world uses will help tease out issues
  126. # [15:17] <SteveF> its all a bit theoretical for me at the moment
  127. # [15:17] <SteveF> and available demos are limited
  128. # [15:18] <SteveF> darobin: FYI http://html5doctor.com/the-main-element/
  129. # [15:20] <darobin> yeah, the existing demos aren't great
  130. # [15:20] <darobin> ooh sweet
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  168. # [19:47] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/455fa05d7e7c8bcbad0752e7ddda251a36214600
  169. # [19:47] <gitbot> syntax/master 455fa05 Michael[tm] Smith: Allow one or more adjacent <style scoped> elements....
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  180. # [20:53] <gitbot> [html] techtoons pushed 1 new commit to html5_canvas_CR: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/72b82c8406d65fa6cd48c8c27c32181c86459ee3
  181. # [20:53] <gitbot> html/html5_canvas_CR 72b82c8 Jay Munro: Added title and link to CR...
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