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  78. # [12:21] <SteveF> in the W3C courtroom... http://www.bifter.co.uk/issue/31/
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  80. # [12:29] <MikeSmith> SteveF: nice. way better then that other comic by that angry spiteful guy
  81. # [12:30] <SteveF> MikeSmith: which one was that?
  82. # [12:31] <MikeSmith> still like that one, this also sadly lacks sufficient violence and sex
  83. # [12:31] <SteveF> at least the W3C has a courtroom ;-)
  84. # [12:33] <MikeSmith> SteveF: the one where Hixie its always hated on. called CSS bugbear or something like that
  85. # [12:34] <SteveF> oh csssquirrel
  86. # [12:34] <SteveF> thats pretty tame
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  89. # [12:37] <SteveF> its interesting to see how others perceive stuff
  90. # [12:37] <MikeSmith> yeah people wear costumes but there's no accompanying sex depictions that you'd normally expect, and no maiming like Happy Tree Friends
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  92. # [12:59] <stommepoes> MikeSmith if you want that, there's (less violent than HTF) http://www.bearnutscomic.com/
  93. # [13:00] <stommepoes> CSSsquirrel doesn't have hixie, it has the hixie-i-don't-understand monster, a separate entity
  94. # [13:00] <stommepoes> SteveF I'm twotting that one
  95. # [13:08] <MikeSmith> stommepoes: thanks that comic's more like it
  96. # [13:08] <stommepoes> Actually there are some where I figure, at the end a character *did* die, but like HTF they're back to normal at the next run.
  97. # [13:10] <MikeSmith> yeah, just like real life
  98. # [13:13] <stommepoes> I haven't feared coke-sniffing busdrivers ever since I realised that
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  135. # [17:16] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/0f4fa20505d556bb024f4ea0e3b30f418d11a77a
  136. # [17:16] <gitbot> syntax/master 0f4fa20 Michael[tm] Smith: Drop "media" attr for a|area
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  147. # [18:03] <plh> trackbot, start telcon
  148. # [18:03] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  152. # [18:03] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  153. # [18:03] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  155. # [18:03] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  156. # [18:03] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  157. # [18:03] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  158. # [18:03] <trackbot> Date: 27 June 2013
  159. # [18:03] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  160. # [18:03] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  161. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Plh
  162. # [18:03] <Zakim> +MartinSoukup
  163. # [18:04] <Zakim> +[Apple]
  164. # [18:04] <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
  165. # [18:04] <Zakim> +hober; got it
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  167. # [18:04] <Zakim> +??P1
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  169. # [18:05] <janina_> zakim, ??P1 is me
  170. # [18:05] <Zakim> +janina_; got it
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  172. # [18:05] <Zakim> +MarkS
  173. # [18:05] <mjs> hi all
  174. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  175. # [18:06] <chaals> zakim, [ip is me
  176. # [18:06] <Zakim> +chaals; got it
  177. # [18:06] <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aaaa
  178. # [18:06] <chaals> zakim, aaaa is maciej
  179. # [18:06] <Zakim> +maciej; got it
  180. # [18:06] <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aaaa is me
  181. # [18:06] <Zakim> sorry, mjs, I do not recognize a party named '+1.415.595.aaaa'
  182. # [18:06] <plh> scribe: plh
  183. # [18:07] <plh> Regrets: Daniel
  184. # [18:07] <plh> Regrets+ Paul
  185. # [18:07] <plh> Regrets+ Sam
  186. # [18:07] <mjs> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML%20WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
  187. # [18:07] <plh> Topic: New Issues this week
  188. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  189. # [18:07] <plh> --> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22043 BUG 22043
  190. # [18:07] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.aa is me
  191. # [18:07] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  192. # [18:08] <plh> Maciej: will look for recommendations before moving
  193. # [18:08] <plh> Topic: Test TF report
  194. # [18:09] <chaals> Present+ chaals
  195. # [18:09] <plh> Kris: not much going this week. meet again next Tuesday.
  196. # [18:09] <plh> ... on #testing
  197. # [18:09] <plh> Topic: A11y TF report
  198. # [18:09] * wseltzer is now known as wseltzer_transit
  199. # [18:09] <plh> Charles: we have questions regarding the CfC on CR exit criteria
  200. # [18:10] <plh> ... we seem to be held to extremelly high standard if we say something is not interoperable
  201. # [18:10] <chaals> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jun/0071.html
  202. # [18:10] <plh> ... the semantics of the ARIA part of HTML aren't interoperable
  203. # [18:10] <plh> ... and the question is: how much evidence do you really need?
  204. # [18:10] <plh> ... depending on the answer, we may need more time
  205. # [18:11] <plh> Janina: providing of non-interop is really rather difficult, you can provide instances
  206. # [18:11] <plh> ... so proving the negative was the basis of the concern
  207. # [18:12] <plh> ... and the other thing that was a bit vexing was that the bar for marking something as green was a lot lower in the room in San Jose than it is now to unmark
  208. # [18:12] <plh> ... we weren't in the room at that time
  209. # [18:12] <plh> ... so, we're concerned that there is now a higher bar to unmark.
  210. # [18:12] <plh> ... probably not intentional but that's what we see now
  211. # [18:13] <plh> ... we're not asking for a decision on the flight here
  212. # [18:13] <plh> ... we're walking through the spec where we think that are issues
  213. # [18:14] <plh> ... and we're uncountering some portions that are marked are green and shouldn't
  214. # [18:14] <plh> Maciej: thank you for reporting theses issues, we'll need to follow up by email.
  215. # [18:14] <plh> Charles: we started to look at our work statement
  216. # [18:15] <plh> Janina: we expect longdesc to come forward next week as well
  217. # [18:15] <plh> Topic: Media TF report
  218. # [18:15] <plh> Maciej: Paul isn't around. anyone else?
  219. # [18:15] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  220. # [18:15] * Zakim sees on the phone: [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, [Microsoft.a], Plh, MartinSoukup, [Apple], janina_, MarkS (muted), chaals, maciej, jaymunro
  221. # [18:15] * Zakim [Apple] has hober
  222. # [18:15] <plh> Maciej: let's skip then
  223. # [18:15] <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft.a has me
  224. # [18:15] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  225. # [18:16] <plh> Topic: Other business
  226. # [18:16] <mjs> CfC: remove Microdata from HTML 5.0, incorporate Microdata into 5.1,
  227. # [18:16] <mjs> publish Microdata doc as a W3C note
  228. # [18:16] <mjs> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013May/0000.html
  229. # [18:16] <plh> Maciej: first is the CfC on Microdata
  230. # [18:17] <plh> ... there were discussions and some pushback
  231. # [18:17] <plh> ... on the basis that Microdata is widely used, but JS API is dropping
  232. # [18:17] <plh> ... actual semantic and markup is deployed and used
  233. # [18:18] <chaals> q+
  234. # [18:18] * Zakim sees chaals on the speaker queue
  235. # [18:18] <plh> ... Robin was facilitating some discussions about this topic
  236. # [18:18] <mjs> ack chaals
  237. # [18:18] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  238. # [18:18] <plh> ack c
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  241. # [18:18] <plh> Charles: at this stage we would object to move Microdata into 5.1 or publish it as a Note
  242. # [18:18] <plh> q+
  243. # [18:18] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  244. # [18:19] <plh> ... we'd be happy to have it in 5.0, happy to drop the API
  245. # [18:19] <plh> ... we're happy to provide editor resources
  246. # [18:19] <Zakim> +Tantek
  247. # [18:19] <tantek> Zakim, mute Tantek
  248. # [18:19] <Zakim> Tantek should now be muted
  249. # [18:19] <plh> s/we're happy/we recognize the need/
  250. # [18:19] <tantek> (sorry a bit late to call)
  251. # [18:20] <chaals> s/we're happy/we recognise that there is a need/
  252. # [18:20] <plh> plh: Microdata is not part of 5.0
  253. # [18:20] <plh> ... are you proposing to put it back?
  254. # [18:21] <plh> Charles: would be nice but recognize there might be pushback
  255. # [18:21] <plh> plh: indeed, I'd think we would pushback
  256. # [18:21] <tantek> zakim, unmute tantek
  257. # [18:21] <Zakim> Tantek should no longer be muted
  258. # [18:22] <plh> Tantek: continuing as a standalonge document seems fine to me
  259. # [18:22] <krisk> q+
  260. # [18:22] * Zakim sees plh, krisk on the speaker queue
  261. # [18:22] <chaals> ack pl
  262. # [18:22] * Zakim sees krisk on the speaker queue
  263. # [18:22] <plh> ... understanding there is sufficient interest and resources to push it along
  264. # [18:22] <chaals> ack kr
  265. # [18:22] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  266. # [18:22] <chaals> q+
  267. # [18:22] * Zakim sees chaals on the speaker queue
  268. # [18:22] <plh> Kris: do we have consensus to remove the JS portion of Microdata?
  269. # [18:22] <plh> Maciej: it's a standalone document
  270. # [18:23] * tantek is a bit surprised people are unsure about the current state.
  271. # [18:23] <plh> ... if we want to remove the JS portion, that would require a difference CfC
  272. # [18:23] <plh> Charles: I'd be happy to propose that we make one
  273. # [18:23] <plh> plh: +1
  274. # [18:23] <plh> Kris: +1
  275. # [18:24] <plh> Tantek: +1
  276. # [18:24] <plh> Maciej: I'll bring it to the other Chairs
  277. # [18:24] * chaals apologises for making work for the chairs
  278. # [18:24] <tantek> just wanted to confirm this proposal is for 5.1
  279. # [18:24] <plh> ... and the remainder will still be under discussion (ie standalone or 5.1)
  280. # [18:25] <plh> Charles: seems would stay as standalone
  281. # [18:25] <plh> Maciej: would remain an open question for the moment
  282. # [18:25] * chaals thanks maciej for expressing it more clearly
  283. # [18:26] <tantek> q+ re: charter
  284. # [18:26] * Zakim sees chaals, tantek on the speaker queue
  285. # [18:26] <plh> plh: due to calendaring, don't expect progress on the charter before mid-July
  286. # [18:26] <mjs> ack
  287. # [18:26] <chaals> q-
  288. # [18:26] * Zakim sees tantek on the speaker queue
  289. # [18:26] <mjs> ack
  290. # [18:26] <plh> ack t
  291. # [18:26] <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to discuss charter
  292. # [18:26] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  293. # [18:27] <plh> Tantek: a few calls ago, I requested if you could ask folks to file their reason for their FO publically
  294. # [18:27] <plh> ... to see if we can resolve them
  295. # [18:29] <plh> plh: I still expect to make progress on them
  296. # [18:29] <plh> Tantek, btw, see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2013AprJun/0077.html
  297. # [18:29] <plh> Topic: Next meeting
  298. # [18:29] <plh> Maciej: next week is canceled
  299. # [18:30] <plh> ... so next meeting is July 11
  300. # [18:30] <plh> ... any volunteer to scribe?
  301. # [18:30] <plh> [none heard]
  302. # [18:30] <krisk> I might be able to scribe
  303. # [18:31] <chaals> [krisk++]
  304. # [18:31] <plh> [adjourned]
  305. # [18:31] <Zakim> -MartinSoukup
  306. # [18:31] <Zakim> -chaals
  307. # [18:31] <Zakim> -[Apple]
  308. # [18:31] <Zakim> -MarkS
  309. # [18:31] <Zakim> -jaymunro
  310. # [18:31] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  311. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Plh
  312. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Radhika_Roy
  313. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Tantek
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  315. # [18:31] <Zakim> -janina_
  316. # [18:31] <Zakim> -maciej
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  320. # [18:32] <plh> zakim, drop Microsoft
  321. # [18:32] <Zakim> [Microsoft] is being disconnected
  322. # [18:32] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  323. # [18:32] <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, Plh, MartinSoukup, hober, janina_, MarkS, [IPcaller], chaals, +1.415.595.aaaa, maciej, jaymunro, Eliot, Tantek
  324. # [18:32] <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
  325. # [18:32] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/27-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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