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  20. # [07:01] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/04631072bcc99d2223abae4596ff251e0c2e747f
  21. # [07:01] <gitbot> syntax/master 0463107 Michael[tm] Smith: Removed some stale tests, updated/fixed others.
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  30. # [09:32] <MikeSmith> SteveF: about https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22603 I realize I've had pretty major misunderstanding about HTML conformance for ARIA states and properties
  31. # [09:32] <MikeSmith> not just about the <a> element
  32. # [09:33] <MikeSmith> the misunderstanding I had was which particular ARIA states and properties are allowed depends on what the value of the rule attribute is
  33. # [09:34] <MikeSmith> but I only just yesterday read http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/dom.html#state-and-property-attributes
  34. # [09:34] <MikeSmith> "ARIA State and Property attributes can be used on any element."
  35. # [09:35] <MikeSmith> so I'm going to need to update the validator to allow that
  36. # [09:35] <MikeSmith> currently the validator only allows a smalll subset of ARIA states and properties globally
  37. # [09:36] <MikeSmith> the ones listed here: https://bitbucket.org/validator/syntax/src/default/relaxng/aria.rnc#cl-10
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  44. # [10:36] <SteveF> MikeSmith: OK if i can help in any way give me a yell
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  46. # [10:38] <SteveF> MikeSmith: that's right for global attributes, the other can only be used on an element whose implicit semantics allows them or the role that they are allowed to be used with is present
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  51. # [11:11] <MikeSmith> SteveF: by "that's right for global attributes", you mean the list at https://bitbucket.org/validator/syntax/src/default/relaxng/aria.rnc#cl-10 is right?
  52. # [11:14] <SteveF> MikeSmith: yes except aria.prop.required? is not global
  53. # [11:42] <MikeSmith> SteveF: OK, thanks
  54. # [11:43] <MikeSmith> SteveF: does the ARIA spec provide that list?
  55. # [11:44] <MikeSmith> nm
  56. # [11:44] <MikeSmith> found it
  57. # [11:44] <MikeSmith> https://bitbucket.org/validator/syntax/src/default/relaxng/aria.rnc#cl-10
  58. # [11:44] <MikeSmith> oops
  59. # [11:44] <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/states_and_properties#global_states
  60. # [11:51] <MikeSmith> so looking at http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/complete#link I can conclude the only additional state or property allowed on a role-less <a> element is aria-expanded ?
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  62. # [11:57] <SteveF> correct
  63. # [12:03] <MikeSmith> SteveF: OK, thanks again
  64. # [12:06] <SteveF> np
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  68. # [12:39] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/compare/04631072bcc9...e4d6985a009e
  69. # [12:39] <gitbot> syntax/master d10da05 Michael[tm] Smith: Simplify test-dir names to match schema names....
  70. # [12:39] <gitbot> syntax/master e4d6985 Michael[tm] Smith: Added some HTML+RDFa tests to the test runner.
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  74. # [13:01] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/7f4e0a177bd44380d6bb7a99aa2a871a207bf03d
  75. # [13:01] <gitbot> syntax/master 7f4e0a1 Michael[tm] Smith: Pay some more RDFa tax.
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  78. # [13:11] <gitbot> [html-tools] darobin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html-tools/commit/1d8de5e3e7a88423103b4b8a829bc52a3e54dc9b
  79. # [13:11] <gitbot> html-tools/master 1d8de5e Robin Berjon: revert canvas mapping based on real branches
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  89. # [14:10] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 7 new commits to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/3861de038069...91c613802b90
  90. # [14:10] <gitbot> html/feature/whatwg 29a2a29 ianh: [giow] (3) navigator.plugins and company...
  91. # [14:10] <gitbot> html/feature/whatwg dfdae54 ianh: [giow] (3) navigator.cookieEnabled...
  92. # [14:10] <gitbot> html/feature/whatwg 130d0fe ianh: [giow] (3) Spec navigator.appCodeName (and respec navigator.product) constant(s)...
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  95. # [14:17] <darobin> silvia: you there?
  96. # [14:18] <darobin> are you sure that this is needed? https://github.com/w3c/html-tools/commit/f6095d33deb46fd2ec8f59e567ab72441eaa5d4e
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  98. # [14:18] <darobin> because it worked for me before on the Mac, but the change is what broke the build system :)
  99. # [14:21] <darobin> I haven't reverted the change, instead I added csh to the build server
  100. # [14:21] <darobin> but still, I don't think that fix was needed
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  117. # [15:58] <SteveF> darobin: how do I ask about the nightly getting updated without appearing to be pressuring you?
  118. # [15:59] <darobin> SteveF: you can ask, but since I'm working on it right now it might not help much :)
  119. # [15:59] <darobin> fixing the bug that silvia introduced uncovered another
  120. # [16:00] <SteveF> darobin: cool thanks - no pressure ;-)
  121. # [16:00] <darobin> I think I may have found the problem
  122. # [16:02] <darobin> indeed, it looks like I nailed this motherfucker
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  124. # [16:05] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to CR: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/15e015563ae7dcbed015a6b271602e3182dd1a23
  125. # [16:05] <gitbot> html/CR 15e0155 Robin Berjon: readd lost START marker that was causing failure
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  128. # [16:06] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/d980e51348b8ef25d331af2826d64d412f5c22b4
  129. # [16:06] <gitbot> html/master d980e51 Robin Berjon: readd lost START marker that was causing failure
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  131. # [16:11] <darobin> SteveF: do you want the switcher in the CR draft? and the bug report thingie?
  132. # [16:11] <darobin> I'm guessing yeah
  133. # [16:12] <darobin> right now they ain't
  134. # [16:12] <SteveF> darobin: if it possible yes
  135. # [16:12] <darobin> ok, I'll look into that
  136. # [16:12] <SteveF> thnks!
  137. # [16:13] <darobin> oh, and by the way SteveF, give us a kiss: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/
  138. # [16:13] <darobin> :)
  139. # [16:15] <darobin> ok, done with the tedious tools fixing, back to tedious draft fixing
  140. # [16:16] <SteveF> darobin: when i see you at paris web will snog you
  141. # [16:16] <darobin> \o/
  142. # [16:16] <darobin> at least that something to look forward to
  143. # [16:24] <SteveF> darobin: toilet reading for you http://www.netmagazine.com/features/5-html5-and-aria-design-patterns
  144. # [16:24] <darobin> I don't read in the toilet, but thanks :)
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  149. # [16:47] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to CR: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/dec4cd4189a9c6f97d44d446ad8c6a515d1a5cac
  150. # [16:47] <gitbot> html/CR dec4cd4 Robin Berjon: alignment up to 45k
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  154. # [16:51] <gitbot> html/master 8299ee9 steve faulkner: updated lol image
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  165. # [17:18] <gitbot> [html] darobin pushed 2 new commits to CR: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/dec4cd4189a9...5b197cdec185
  166. # [17:18] <gitbot> html/CR e06ff99 Robin Berjon: insert table sorting but disable it (for diffing)
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  189. # [21:56] <vedransisic> Does anybody know what the "requirements" for entry into the HTML5 working group would be if your company is not a member of W3C?
  190. # [22:01] <vedransisic> Or any criteria that is looked for in a potential Invited Expert?
  191. # [22:01] <mjs> you have to agree to the IPR policy
  192. # [22:01] <mjs> other than that it is pretty much automatic
  193. # [22:01] <vedransisic> Thanks!
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