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  105. # [18:04] <paulc> trackbot, start meeting
  106. # [18:04] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  108. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-html-wg-irc
  109. # [18:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  110. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  112. # [18:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  113. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  114. # [18:04] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  115. # [18:04] <trackbot> Date: 12 September 2013
  116. # [18:04] <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
  117. # [18:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, +1.626.379.aaaa
  118. # [18:04] <janina> zakim, ??P2 is me
  119. # [18:04] <Zakim> +janina; got it
  120. # [18:04] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013JulSep/0023.html
  121. # [18:04] <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
  122. # [18:04] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
  123. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  124. # [18:05] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has me
  125. # [18:05] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  126. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
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  128. # [18:06] <krisk> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] is krisk
  129. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  130. # [18:06] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  131. # [18:06] <jaymunro> zakim, micrsoft.aa has me
  132. # [18:06] <Zakim> sorry, jaymunro, I do not recognize a party named 'micrsoft.aa'
  133. # [18:06] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.aa has me
  134. # [18:06] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  135. # [18:06] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  136. # [18:06] <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, +1.626.379.aaaa, [Microsoft], krisk, [Microsoft.aa]
  137. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  138. # [18:06] <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has jaymunro
  139. # [18:06] <krisk> Chair: PaulC
  140. # [18:06] <krisk> scribe: krisk
  141. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  142. # [18:06] <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft.a has me
  143. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  144. # [18:07] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  145. # [18:07] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  146. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Plh
  147. # [18:07] <paulc> zakim, [aaaa] is daniel_austin
  148. # [18:07] <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[aaaa]'
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  150. # [18:07] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  151. # [18:07] * Zakim sees on the phone: janina, +1.626.379.aaaa, [Microsoft], krisk, [Microsoft.aa], [Microsoft.a], Plh
  152. # [18:07] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  153. # [18:07] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  154. # [18:07] * Zakim [Microsoft.aa] has jaymunro
  155. # [18:07] <plh> zakim, aaaa is Daniel_Austin
  156. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Daniel_Austin; got it
  157. # [18:07] <paulc> zakim, aaaa is daniel_austin
  158. # [18:07] <Zakim> sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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  161. # [18:08] <paulc> plh beats paulc
  162. # [18:08] <Zakim> + +1.818.954.aabb
  163. # [18:08] <CyrilRa> zakim, aabb is me
  164. # [18:08] <Zakim> +CyrilRa; got it
  165. # [18:09] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  166. # [18:09] <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, Daniel_Austin, [Microsoft], krisk, [Microsoft.aa], [Microsoft.a], Plh, CyrilRa
  167. # [18:09] <krisk> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, September 5
  168. # [18:09] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  169. # [18:09] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  170. # [18:09] <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has jaymunro
  171. # [18:09] <krisk> none
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  173. # [18:09] <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
  174. # [18:09] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
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  176. # [18:09] <krisk> TOPIC: Items Closing This Week
  177. # [18:09] <krisk> none
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  179. # [18:09] <krisk> TOPIC: Decisions this week
  180. # [18:09] <krisk> none
  181. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Sam
  182. # [18:09] <paulc> rubys: Are you joining us?
  183. # [18:10] * rubys yup!
  184. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Clarke
  185. # [18:10] <krisk> TOPIC: Outstanding closed CfCs
  186. # [18:10] <krisk> SUBTOPIC: CfC: Approve overview of Canvas testing in view of permissive CR exit criteria, closed Sept 4
  187. # [18:10] <krisk> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jul/0032.html
  188. # [18:10] <Zakim> + +1.760.591.aacc
  189. # [18:10] <krisk> paulc: note that we have two of them and the closed Sept 4th
  190. # [18:11] <krisk> paulc: co-chairs needs to meet and discuss both of these two outstanding items
  191. # [18:11] <krisk> Item #1 Extension
  192. # [18:11] <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jul/0043.html
  193. # [18:11] <krisk> http://www.w3.org/2013/08/15-html-wg-minutes.html#item06
  194. # [18:11] <krisk> Item #2 Update
  195. # [18:12] <pladd> Zakim, aacc is me
  196. # [18:12] <Zakim> +pladd; got it
  197. # [18:12] <krisk> CfC: Approve overview of testing in view of permissive CR exit, closed Sep 4
  198. # [18:12] <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jun/0033.html
  199. # [18:12] <krisk> Extension:
  200. # [18:12] <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jul/0042.html
  201. # [18:12] <krisk> http://www.w3.org/2013/08/15-html-wg-minutes.html#item06
  202. # [18:12] <krisk> TOPIC: Last Call and heartbeat publications
  203. # [18:12] <paulc> WG Decisions on both of these CfCs are pending. In the Chairs input queue.
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  205. # [18:13] <paulc> We are still waiting on EME and Polyglot Candidate heartbeat Working Drafts from the respective Editors.
  206. # [18:13] <krisk> paulc: the first is for EME and the next is Polyglot
  207. # [18:13] <krisk> EME and Polyglot: We are still waiting on EME and Polyglot Candidate heartbeat Working Drafts from the respective Editors.
  208. # [18:13] <krisk> For EME the editor has been family illness and has been out of the office
  209. # [18:14] <Eliot> q+
  210. # [18:14] * Zakim sees Eliot on the speaker queue
  211. # [18:14] <krisk> For polygot the editor has asked the co-chairs some questions
  212. # [18:14] <krisk> paulc: for polygot we have zero bugs
  213. # [18:14] <rubys> ack next
  214. # [18:14] * Zakim sees Eliot at the head of the speaker queue
  215. # [18:14] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  216. # [18:14] <paulc> Polyglot bugs are at zero: http://intertwingly.net/tmp/wgtrends.cgi#html-xhtml-compatibility-authoring-guide
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  219. # [18:15] <krisk> Eliot: The editors are working to compete this and get a candidate working draft and publish this as a heardbeat
  220. # [18:16] <krisk> paulc: One the document has been published the co-chairs will start to bring the question to the working group on normativity of the document
  221. # [18:16] <krisk> Next Still waiting for feedback from PF re: WAI-ARIA in HTML:
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  223. # [18:16] <Zakim> + +1.415.230.aadd
  224. # [18:17] <krisk> paulc: This document was almost published but it was blocked because we are waiting for concensus from PF
  225. # [18:17] <krisk> http://www.w3.org/2013/09/05-html-a11y-minutes.html#item02
  226. # [18:17] <krisk> paulc: Let me help here
  227. # [18:18] <krisk> paulc: see the minutes from last week (just above)
  228. # [18:18] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/TR/aria-in-html/
  229. # [18:18] <paulc> What was published this week is: http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aapi/
  230. # [18:19] <paulc> Title: HTML to Platform Accessibility APIs Implementation Guide
  231. # [18:20] <krisk> paulc: The task force needs to take note of publications
  232. # [18:20] <paulc> See bug on status section on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23209
  233. # [18:22] <paulc> PF WG will run a CfC to permi the publication of Using ARIA
  234. # [18:22] <krisk> janina: I'm sorry and we'll get this done so that PF can permit publication using ARIA
  235. # [18:22] <krisk> Next Last Call WD: Media Source Extensions published on Sep 5
  236. # [18:23] <krisk> see http://www.w3.org/News/2013#entry-9930
  237. # [18:23] <krisk> paulc: Has the accessibility task force looked into EME?
  238. # [18:23] <krisk> janina: Yes we are aware of this and are tracking this work
  239. # [18:23] <paulc> s/EME/MSE/
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  242. # [18:24] <paulc> Heartbeat WD: HTML to Platform Accessibility APIs Implementation Guide published on Sep 10
  243. # [18:24] <krisk> The next agenda item was discussed above
  244. # [18:24] <paulc> See above discussion.
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  248. # [18:28] <krisk> TOPIC: Task Force Reports
  249. # [18:28] <krisk> SUBTOPIC:
  250. # [18:28] <krisk> We met on #testing this week as planned
  251. # [18:28] <krisk> The discussion was really about TPAC and who is planning on attending
  252. # [18:29] <krisk> A TTWF event will be occuring at this time and they are looking for some people to potentially give a talk and/or help
  253. # [18:29] <krisk> Ideally the person can give a talk in Chinese
  254. # [18:29] <paulc> TTWF is on Sat before TPAC week in Shenzen
  255. # [18:29] <krisk> James Graham will be attending
  256. # [18:30] <paulc> TTWF: http://testthewebforward.org/#
  257. # [18:30] <krisk> paulc: The chairs may be asking about how the TTF can help with the Canvas Document
  258. # [18:31] <krisk> krisk: OK
  259. # [18:32] <krisk> paulc: We suspect is that we have areas of the spec that are at RISK and the features are accessibility related
  260. # [18:32] <krisk> janina: I believe we are OK
  261. # [18:32] <krisk> paulc: The spec could move forward by removing the at risk features
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  263. # [18:34] <krisk> paulc: The process would be to delete from 5.0 and then added to 5.1
  264. # [18:34] <krisk> paulc: Leaving them in 5.1 (v2) would allow implementation time
  265. # [18:34] <krisk> SUBTOPIC: Accessibility Task Force
  266. # [18:35] <krisk> paulc: any items to add?
  267. # [18:35] <krisk> janina: Testing has started (not complete) for implementations
  268. # [18:36] <krisk> janina: We are working on how to publish/process comments we have recieved
  269. # [18:36] <krisk> janins: We have a few bugs on 'alt' in html 5.0
  270. # [18:36] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  271. # [18:36] * Zakim sees on the phone: janina, Daniel_Austin, [Microsoft], krisk, [Microsoft.aa], [Microsoft.a], Plh, CyrilRa, Sam, Clarke, pladd
  272. # [18:36] * Zakim [Microsoft] has paulc
  273. # [18:36] * Zakim [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  274. # [18:36] * Zakim [Microsoft.aa] has jaymunro
  275. # [18:36] <krisk> janina: we think we can be done with 'alt' bugs in weeks (not months)
  276. # [18:37] <krisk> paulc: Their are zero bugs on image description?
  277. # [18:37] <krisk> janina: We are handling them in tracker and not bugzilla
  278. # [18:37] <krisk> paulc: We need to have them in bugzilla and I though this was agreed upon last week
  279. # [18:37] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  280. # [18:38] <krisk> paulc: Can you give me a link?
  281. # [18:38] <krisk> janina: I'll need some more time
  282. # [18:39] <paulc> May be member-only: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/44061/WD-html-longdesc-20130716/
  283. # [18:39] <krisk> paulc: I found the link - though it's member only which should not be the case
  284. # [18:39] <krisk> krisk: I also get prompted
  285. # [18:39] <krisk> paulc: Looks like we have 3 comments?
  286. # [18:39] <krisk> janina: We have 5 actually
  287. # [18:40] <krisk> SUBTOPIC: Media Task Force
  288. # [18:40] <krisk> The TF has worked on EME during the last month
  289. # [18:41] <krisk> paulc: we have not made alot of progress on bugs
  290. # [18:41] <krisk> paulc: one of the editors have been out of the office, though we are looking to publish a heartbeat next week
  291. # [18:42] <krisk> paulc: We do have some last call MSE bugs which means we'll go back to work on the MSE spec
  292. # [18:42] <krisk> ..once these are done we'll work on the EME spec
  293. # [18:43] <paulc> EME status: http://intertwingly.net/tmp/wgtrends.cgi#encrypted-media-extensions
  294. # [18:43] <krisk> paulc: any questions for the task forces?
  295. # [18:43] <krisk> paulc: none
  296. # [18:43] <krisk> TOPIC: Registration for F2F meeting, Shenzen, Nov 14-15
  297. # [18:43] <krisk> http://www.w3.org/2013/11/TPAC/
  298. # [18:43] <krisk> HTML WG meets on Thurs/Friday
  299. # [18:43] <plh> q+
  300. # [18:43] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  301. # [18:44] <krisk> paulc: 33 people have registers with about 40 observers
  302. # [18:44] <krisk> paulc: Registration ends on Oct 18th
  303. # [18:44] <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2013Sep/0004.html
  304. # [18:44] <krisk> plh: The web performance group wants to meet at the event (one hour?)
  305. # [18:45] <paulc> Wiki agenda page: http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-11-Agenda
  306. # [18:45] <krisk> paulc: please add this the wiki (other agenda items as well)
  307. # [18:45] <krisk> paulc: what is the specific topic?
  308. # [18:45] <paulc> timing: 02:30 PM - 04:00 PM: HTML5 Working Group visit
  309. # [18:45] <krisk> plh: Resource priority and pre-rendering
  310. # [18:45] <paulc> on thursday Nov 14
  311. # [18:46] <krisk> plh: What parts should be in HTML vs the web performance wg
  312. # [18:46] <krisk> paulc: It sounds like an extension spec?
  313. # [18:46] <krisk> paulc: why would it not just be in their spec?
  314. # [18:47] <krisk> plh: Some people think the extension would be better in the HTML spec
  315. # [18:47] <krisk> paulc: Is this a quality of the spec issue?
  316. # [18:47] <Zakim> -Daniel_Austin
  317. # [18:47] <rubys> q+
  318. # [18:47] * Zakim sees plh, rubys on the speaker queue
  319. # [18:47] <paulc> ack plh
  320. # [18:47] * Zakim sees rubys on the speaker queue
  321. # [18:47] <Zakim> +Daniel_Austin
  322. # [18:47] <paulc> ack rubys
  323. # [18:47] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  324. # [18:47] <krisk> plh: We want to first talk about the attributes and then figure where they are best to be located
  325. # [18:48] <krisk> rubys: We have tried really hard to make sure that attributes that are not in HTML are no second class citizens
  326. # [18:48] <rubys> s/no second/not second/
  327. # [18:48] <krisk> paulc: should a co-chair attend a web perf meeting?
  328. # [18:49] <krisk> paulc: Please tell web perf to discuss this friday morning - ok?
  329. # [18:49] <krisk> plh: sure
  330. # [18:51] <krisk> paulc: Many people may needs a visa and the registration page information about getting a 'invitation letter'
  331. # [18:51] <Zakim> -pladd
  332. # [18:52] <krisk> paulc: We were holding off on publish until the recent meeting in France
  333. # [18:52] <krisk> paulc: so we should process the bugs and work on publishing the document
  334. # [18:52] <paulc> Adaptive image spec bugs: http://intertwingly.net/tmp/wgtrends.cgi#adaptive-image-element
  335. # [18:53] <krisk> paulc: plh it seems we need to have an agenda item to discuss this two features
  336. # [18:53] <krisk> paulc: any other items to discuss?
  337. # [18:54] <krisk> paulc: none
  338. # [18:54] <krisk> paulc: I can c-chair next week
  339. # [18:54] * plh regrets for next week
  340. # [18:54] <krisk> krisk I can scribe
  341. # [18:54] <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
  342. # [18:54] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/12-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
  343. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Clarke
  344. # [18:55] <Zakim> -janina
  345. # [18:55] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  346. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Sam
  347. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Daniel_Austin
  348. # [18:55] <Zakim> -Plh
  349. # [18:55] <Zakim> -CyrilRa
  350. # [18:55] <krisk> paulc: meeting adjourned
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  353. # [18:55] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  354. # [18:58] <Zakim> -krisk
  355. # [18:58] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  356. # [18:58] <Zakim> Attendees were +1.626.379.aaaa, janina, paulc, [Microsoft], krisk, jaymunro, Eliot, Plh, Daniel_Austin, +1.818.954.aabb, CyrilRa, Sam, Clarke, +1.760.591.aacc, pladd,
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