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- # [09:06] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] silviapfeiffer pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/39ea0ce073aca4e342b9af432615c83f2cc8b3f6
- # [09:06] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/master 39ea0ce Silvia Pfeiffer: Fix up the readme for building the spec.
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- # [10:56] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] silviapfeiffer pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/580e7e6f98fbd82586aa7e894efbe8c16b99701f
- # [10:56] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/master 580e7e6 Silvia Pfeiffer: Remove the WHATWG fork on TextTrackCue....
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- # [16:52] <gitbot> [html-tools] darobin closed pull request #1: Remove assumption that the table of contents will be an <ol>. (master...fix-ol-assumption) https://github.com/w3c/html-tools/pull/1
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- # [16:53] <mkelly> Success!
- # [16:53] <mkelly> Now if I get around to it my next idea will be to add a setup.py so we can put html-tools on PyPI
- # [16:53] <mkelly> So the steps for building the spec become
- # [16:54] <mkelly> pip install html-tools; html-tools publish html ./html/source
- # [16:54] <darobin> mkelly: are you sure that's a good idea? :)
- # [16:54] <mkelly> Nope
- # [16:54] <darobin> heh
- # [16:55] <darobin> html-tools is configured by tweaking its contents
- # [16:55] <mkelly> It has that local settings file
- # [16:55] <darobin> now I'm very much useless with Python, but I guess pip install installs things globally
- # [16:55] <mkelly> No reason it can't just take that as an argument or look in the current directory
- # [16:55] <darobin> right, it is possible
- # [16:55] <darobin> I mean, I'm not saying it can't be solved
- # [16:55] <darobin> the question is more: is it worth the effort?
- # [16:56] <darobin> so long as it doesn't break anything, I surely won't stop it, especially if it scratches your itches and all
- # [16:56] <mkelly> Well the main goal of my changes has been to make building the spec easier as an outsider
- # [16:56] <mkelly> As I spent like two days reading and fixing code to get it to build
- # [16:56] <mkelly> I like the idea of the spec for HTML being simple to build by anyone. :D
- # [16:56] <darobin> I guess I'm a bit surprised that people would want to build the spec in the first place :)
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- # [16:57] <darobin> mkelly: the thing is that we can make it easier to build, but it will be hard to make it easier to edit
- # [16:58] <mkelly> I had wanted to start contributing changes but wanted to double-check my work before submitting a PR in case I broke something,
- # [16:58] <darobin> we have to share the same conventions with Hixie's source, and he hasn't seemed very interested in changing them so far
- # [16:58] <mkelly> Making it easier to build makes it easier to edit, in that it makes it easier to check your changes
- # [16:58] <darobin> and those conventions can be pretty hard to follow, aren't documented, etc.
- # [16:59] <darobin> yes yes, agreed, to a point
- # [16:59] <darobin> in any case, I didn't mean to scare you off or anythiong
- # [16:59] <mkelly> Haha
- # [16:59] <mkelly> Also, since I AM a python developer, it's not a lot of work to do
- # [16:59] <darobin> I just wanted to make sure you were investing your time in a way that you wouldn't later feel wasted :)
- # [17:00] <darobin> good, good, the more this can be handled by people who actually know python properly, the better
- # [17:00] <mkelly> Hahahaha
- # [17:00] * darobin is a Perl hacker turned JS hacker, never really got Python
- # [17:01] <mkelly> Aha
- # [17:02] <mkelly> So I'm a webdev for Mozilla, and about a week and a half ago someone sent out an email recommending that we get more of our webdevs involved in spec committees, or at least be more aware of them, as most of the Mozilla involvement in specs comes from the browser people
- # [17:02] <mkelly> So I signed up for the mailing list and decided to try contributing. :D
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- # [17:22] <SteveF> mkelly: are you a member of the html wg?
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- # [17:39] <jgraham> darobin: There is a special form of torture reserved for people who use pip without a virtualenv
- # [17:40] <jgraham> So global installation isn't normal
- # [17:42] <darobin> mkelly: I heartily support getting more webdevs into spec stuff
- # [17:42] <darobin> so by all means don't hesitate to ask for support making this easier here
- # [17:42] <darobin> jgraham: I don't want to have to think about all this python stuff ;)
- # [17:45] <SteveF> darobin: accepted pull from mkelly other day on spec text example fix, wondering about effect if any on patent policy etc if not a member of html wg?
- # [17:45] <jgraham> I don't want to think about punycode, but that doesn't excuse me from it :(
- # [17:45] <darobin> SteveF: if it's an example, you're safe
- # [17:45] <darobin> be careful with features though
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- # [17:46] <SteveF> darobin: ok can sleep tonight
- # [17:46] <darobin> people don't have to be members, we can ask for IPR from individuals
- # [17:46] <darobin> SteveF: well, mkelly work for Mozilla — I think you're pretty safe there :)
- # [17:47] <darobin> that said we could set up a CLA for PRs against html, based on what tobie did for the test suite
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- # [17:51] <tobie> SteveF, darobin: the CLA we setup for testoing handles licensing rights, not RF patents.
- # [17:52] <tobie> s/testoing/testing/
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- # [19:06] <mkelly> SteveF: Just sent the request to Mozilla's AC Rep
- # [19:06] <mkelly> I had signed up for an account but forgot to send the request
- # [19:11] <SteveF> mkelly: cool!
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