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  7. # [00:45] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] darobin pushed 2 new commits to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/1a5790d8bf64...e9cad9fff033
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  133. # [18:05] <paulc_> zakim, what is the code?
  134. # [18:06] <paulc_> trackbot, start meeting
  135. # [18:06] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  137. # [18:06] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-html-wg-irc
  138. # [18:06] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  139. # [18:06] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  141. # [18:06] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  142. # [18:06] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  143. # [18:06] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  144. # [18:06] <trackbot> Date: 24 October 2013
  145. # [18:06] <paulc_> zakim, what is the code?
  146. # [18:06] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc_
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  148. # [18:06] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  149. # [18:06] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  150. # [18:06] <Zakim> +Plh
  151. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  152. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  153. # [18:06] <Zakim> +pladd
  154. # [18:06] <paulc_> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  155. # [18:06] <Zakim> +paulc_; got it
  156. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  157. # [18:07] <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft has me
  158. # [18:07] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  159. # [18:07] <paulc_> zakim, who is on the phone?
  160. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see Sam, Plh, [Microsoft], paulc_, pladd, [Microsoft.a]
  161. # [18:07] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Eliot
  162. # [18:07] <krisk> zakim, [Microsoft] is krisk
  163. # [18:07] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  164. # [18:07] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  165. # [18:07] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft has me
  166. # [18:07] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  167. # [18:07] <paulc_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013OctDec/0009.html
  168. # [18:07] <Zakim> +??P2
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  170. # [18:07] <paulc_> zakim, who is on the phone?
  171. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see Sam, Plh, krisk, paulc_, pladd, [Microsoft.a], [Microsoft], ??P2
  172. # [18:07] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has jaymunro
  173. # [18:07] <Zakim> krisk has Eliot
  174. # [18:08] <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
  175. # [18:08] <Zakim> On the phone I see Sam, Plh, krisk, paulc_, pladd, [Microsoft.a], [Microsoft], ??P2
  176. # [18:08] <plh> scribe: plh
  177. # [18:08] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has jaymunro
  178. # [18:08] <Zakim> krisk has Eliot
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  180. # [18:08] <plh> agenda+ action items
  181. # [18:08] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  182. # [18:08] <janina> zakim, ??P2 is me
  183. # [18:08] <Zakim> +janina; got it
  184. # [18:08] <plh> angeda+ Items closing this week
  185. # [18:08] <Zakim> +glenn
  186. # [18:08] <plh> agenda+ Items closing this week
  187. # [18:08] * Zakim notes agendum 2 added
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  189. # [18:08] <plh> agenda+ New calls
  190. # [18:08] * Zakim notes agendum 3 added
  191. # [18:08] <plh> agenda+ Outstanding decisions
  192. # [18:08] * Zakim notes agendum 4 added
  193. # [18:09] <plh> agenda+ TF reports
  194. # [18:09] * Zakim notes agendum 5 added
  195. # [18:09] <plh> agenda+ Publications
  196. # [18:09] * Zakim notes agendum 6 added
  197. # [18:09] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  198. # [18:09] <Zakim> agendum 1. "action items" taken up [from plh]
  199. # [18:09] <plh> action-229?
  200. # [18:09] * trackbot is looking up action-229.
  201. # [18:09] <trackbot> action-229 -- Paul Cotton to Check the status of the authoring spec -- due 2013-10-31 -- OPEN
  202. # [18:09] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/229
  203. # [18:09] * tantek asks if someone could set the /topic to URL to the agenda.
  204. # [18:09] <plh> Paul: waiting for input from Robin.
  205. # [18:09] * plh changes topic to 'Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013OctDec/0009.html'
  206. # [18:10] <plh> Paul: trying to wondering if the generation is in place or not
  207. # [18:10] <plh> ... so an other week for the action
  208. # [18:10] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  209. # [18:10] <Zakim> agendum 2. "Items closing this week" taken up [from plh]
  210. # [18:10] <plh> Paul: 2
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  212. # [18:10] <plh> ... CFC for HTML 5.1/Canvas L2 hearbeat
  213. # [18:10] <paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Oct/0048.html
  214. # [18:11] <plh> ... second one is Microdata as Note
  215. # [18:11] <plh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Oct/0050.html
  216. # [18:11] <plh> ... both are closing today
  217. # [18:11] <plh> ... no negative response so far I think
  218. # [18:11] <plh> ... plan is to publish early next week
  219. # [18:11] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  220. # [18:11] <Zakim> agendum 3. "New calls" taken up [from plh]
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  222. # [18:11] <plh> Paul: one
  223. # [18:11] <plh> ... due next week
  224. # [18:12] <plh> ... second attempt to approve the revised HTML A11Y TF work statement and decision procedures
  225. # [18:12] <paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Oct/0082.html
  226. # [18:12] <plh> ... we tried to do this once. PF rejected the procedures and now PF approved the revised version
  227. # [18:12] <plh> ... once this passes, the TF will havea new work statement and decision procedures
  228. # [18:12] <plh> Topic: Decisions
  229. # [18:12] <plh> Paul: none
  230. # [18:13] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  231. # [18:13] <Zakim> agendum 4. "Outstanding decisions" taken up [from plh]
  232. # [18:13] <plh> Paul: 2 CfC related to permissive CR exit criteria
  233. # [18:13] <plh> ... work is still ongoing by the editors
  234. # [18:13] <plh> agenda+ Other business
  235. # [18:13] * Zakim notes agendum 7 added
  236. # [18:13] <paulc_> HTML5: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Oct/0008.html
  237. # [18:14] <paulc_> Canvas CfC status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Oct/0009.html
  238. # [18:14] <plh> Paul: the a11y tf is likely to have a session related to status of a11y features
  239. # [18:14] <plh> ... in Canvas spec
  240. # [18:14] <plh> ... please join the a11y TF call next week
  241. # [18:14] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  242. # [18:14] <Zakim> agendum 5. "TF reports" taken up [from plh]
  243. # [18:15] <plh> Testing Task Force
  244. # [18:15] <krisk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-test-infra/2013OctDec/0045.html
  245. # [18:15] <plh> Kris: met on Tuesday
  246. # [18:15] <plh> ... James is replacing a big dependency
  247. # [18:15] <plh> ... wptserve
  248. # [18:16] <plh> ... smaller lightweight server
  249. # [18:16] <plh> ... trying not to break things
  250. # [18:16] <plh> ... thanks to Robin, Canvas tests are fixedf
  251. # [18:16] <plh> ... they are all working now.
  252. # [18:16] <krisk> http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/2dcontext/drawing-images-to-the-canvas/2d.drawImage.9arg.destsize.html now works plus others!
  253. # [18:16] <plh> ... some tests will be created for some parts of the canvas spec. should show up pretty soon.
  254. # [18:17] <plh> Paul: regarding the upcoming f2f: session on testing and status from CR point of view
  255. # [18:17] <plh> ... will the TF have members in Shenzen to give us an update for html 5 and canvas spec?
  256. # [18:17] <plh> Kris: will check.
  257. # [18:18] <plh> Paul: on the canvas 2d one, are there any updated results?
  258. # [18:18] <plh> Kris: yes, we do... produced 3 weeks ago.
  259. # [18:18] <plh> ... will look for the link
  260. # [18:19] <plh> ... will follow up by email
  261. # [18:19] <plh> Paul: please, since we want to know the status of the a11y features
  262. # [18:19] <plh> Accessibility Task Force
  263. # [18:20] <plh> Janina: regarding longdesc tests, we'd like to have them there
  264. # [18:20] <krisk> sure I can help or another person
  265. # [18:20] <plh> ... if Kris or someone can help, that would be appreciated
  266. # [18:21] <plh> plh: I gave some pointers to Mark yesterday
  267. # [18:21] <plh> Janina: we can now show implementations for longdesc, we're done with testing.
  268. # [18:21] <plh> ... and we have a call for consensus on the responses to the comments
  269. # [18:21] <plh> ... closing on Monday
  270. # [18:21] <plh> ... so we feel we're ready to move forward
  271. # [18:22] <plh> ... we talked in the past about moving to CR
  272. # [18:22] <plh> ... conversation on this isn't done yet
  273. # [18:22] <plh> ... one point is to get more attention and get more implementers on board
  274. # [18:23] <plh> Paul: the TF has to decide whether to get longdesc to REC as standalone or rolls it back into HTML5.0
  275. # [18:23] <plh> ... Plan 2014 didn't cover the case that you would do both
  276. # [18:23] <plh> ... so more discussion needed next week
  277. # [18:24] <plh> Janina: yes, we're trying to balance it with the canvas discussion next week as well
  278. # [18:24] <plh> ... no decision from the TF yet
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  280. # [18:24] <plh> ... I think we're about wrapped in the tweaks
  281. # [18:25] <plh> ... but we're pretty much from the task force perspective
  282. # [18:26] <plh> Janina: Steve wants to step down as co-facilitator for the a11y tf
  283. # [18:26] <plh> ... not enough time
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  285. # [18:26] <plh> ... will continue as participation in the TF and editor
  286. # [18:26] <plh> ... but not a co-facilitator anymore
  287. # [18:26] <plh> ... Charles and myself will stay on board
  288. # [18:26] <plh> ... may be a need to add more in the future
  289. # [18:26] <plh> ... but not in a hurry
  290. # [18:27] <plh> ... Thank you to Steve for his effort
  291. # [18:27] <paulc_> On behalf of the Team, WG Chairs and the A11Y TF we would like to thank Steve for his work over the last year as a co-facilitator for the A11Y TF.
  292. # [18:27] <plh> ... and glad he'll stay around to work on the issues
  293. # [18:27] <plh> +1
  294. # [18:28] <plh> Media Task Force
  295. # [18:28] <plh> Paul: the MSE LC period closed on October 17
  296. # [18:28] <plh> ... small number of comments
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  298. # [18:28] <plh> ... 8 outstanding bugs and 2 comments
  299. # [18:28] <plh> ... half of those are straight-forward
  300. # [18:28] <plh> ... the other half were allocated to folks
  301. # [18:29] <plh> ... it's possible that we get the bug count down to 0 by TPAC
  302. # [18:29] <plh> ... started to talk about CR exit criteria
  303. # [18:29] <plh> ... so CR for MSE is likely to happen in December
  304. # [18:29] <plh> ... on the EME front, hearbeat was published
  305. # [18:29] <plh> ... 15 outstanding bugs
  306. # [18:29] <plh> ... EME will meet next week
  307. # [18:30] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  308. # [18:30] <Zakim> agendum 6. "Publications" taken up [from plh]
  309. # [18:30] <paulc_> http://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/3333
  310. # [18:30] <plh> Paul: 3 specs published: EME, Polyglot, Ruby
  311. # [18:31] <plh> ... Ruby deals with lots of remaining bugs of HTML5
  312. # [18:31] <plh> ... Ruby was published under CC-BY
  313. # [18:31] * rubys notes that it is dual licensed
  314. # [18:31] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  315. # [18:31] <Zakim> agendum 7. "Other business" taken up [from plh]
  316. # [18:31] <plh> Paul: this is the time of the year to get confused about time
  317. # [18:32] <paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Oct/0062.html
  318. # [18:32] <plh> ... so for next week: same time for north america, one hour early for europe
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  320. # [18:32] <plh> Paul: f2f planning and wiki agenda
  321. # [18:32] <paulc_> http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-11-Agenda
  322. # [18:33] <plh> ... ... please add your agenda requests there
  323. # [18:33] <plh> ... we'll run the meeting in unconference style
  324. # [18:33] <plh> ... one request for joint meeting with web perf
  325. # [18:34] <plh> ... will look into logistics with html a11y tf, indieUI conflicts
  326. # [18:34] * tantek adds a Regrets section to the wiki page for the f2f
  327. # [18:34] <plh> ... please look at the agenda and add your item there
  328. # [18:36] <krisk> Here is the link for canvas 2d http://dev.w3.org/html5/misc/canvas-implementation.html
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  330. # [18:36] <krisk> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2013JulSep/0028.html
  331. # [18:37] <plh> Kris: I thought Rik was going to update it
  332. # [18:37] <plh> ... Robin fixed the tests at least
  333. # [18:37] <plh> ... I can go and tweak it
  334. # [18:37] <paulc_> Actual tests: http://w3c-test.org/web-platform-tests/master/2dcontext/
  335. # [18:38] <plh> Paul: do we have latest results?
  336. # [18:38] <plh> Kris: I'll figure this out
  337. # [18:39] <plh> q?
  338. # [18:39] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  339. # [18:39] <plh> Topic: Next week
  340. # [18:39] <plh> Paul: I'll chair next week again
  341. # [18:39] <plh> ... and Sam will do the week after
  342. # [18:39] <plh> ... any volunteer to scribe next week?
  343. # [18:39] <plh> Kris: I can scribe
  344. # [18:40] <paulc_> No one except IJ is as good as plh.
  345. # [18:40] <plh> :)
  346. # [18:40] <plh> [adjourned]
  347. # [18:40] <paulc_> rrsagent, generate the minutes
  348. # [18:40] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-html-wg-minutes.html paulc_
  349. # [18:41] <Zakim> -glenn
  350. # [18:41] <Zakim> -janina
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  352. # [18:41] <Zakim> -Plh
  353. # [18:41] <Zakim> -Sam
  354. # [18:41] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  355. # [18:41] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  356. # [18:41] <Zakim> -pladd
  357. # [18:41] <Zakim> -krisk
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  359. # [18:42] <Zakim> -paulc_
  360. # [18:42] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  361. # [18:42] <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, Plh, pladd, paulc_, Eliot, krisk, jaymunro, janina, glenn
  362. # [18:43] <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
  363. # [18:43] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/24-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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