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  24. # [01:38] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/bc29a2054216bf449059bfb2ed8e571c7c6ab89f
  25. # [01:38] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/feature/whatwg bc29a20 ianh: [e] (0) Add an event index which acts as the definition of the event names, for editorial purposes (event names are really just strings, so they don't have, or need, a normative definition per se)....
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  59. # [08:38] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to feature/whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/ccc2d95ae4b161f7f8a5c77f89777aad2d30d159
  60. # [08:38] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/feature/whatwg ccc2d95 ianh: [e] (0) Turns out CSSOM already specifies resize and scroll events. Sweet....
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  74. # [10:51] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/66d1fa4ad19daaf53ed3630db465e956bbdae1aa
  75. # [10:51] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/master 66d1fa4 steve faulkner: fixing allowed roles for <a>...
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  82. # [11:20] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/6c342a74d76486eef3cf408325563d36ad5d6676
  83. # [11:20] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/master 6c342a7 steve faulkner: added tag/attribute/aria info to a element...
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  88. # [11:32] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] stevefaulkner pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/e897c31f85fc4e1860e302e08366ef0a5c6f52bf
  89. # [11:32] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/master e897c31 steve faulkner: added omission/aria/attr info to text elemnts...
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  91. # [11:33] <SteveF> darobin: any thoughts on restrictions to aria usage on ruby related elements?
  92. # [11:33] <darobin> SteveF: I see no reason there should be any?
  93. # [11:34] <SteveF> darobin: right there are not on most 'text level' elements
  94. # [11:35] <darobin> SteveF: I looked at this quickly when I was working on that, but I could find no reason for restrictions
  95. # [11:35] <SteveF> darobin: just have got to them on adding info into head section of element definition and wanted to check
  96. # [11:35] <darobin> that said, if there are rules of thumb for ARIA design I don't know them
  97. # [11:35] <darobin> good progress!
  98. # [11:36] <SteveF> so if you look at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/grouping-content.html#the-div-element the ruby stuff will have similar (except for tag omission quirks)
  99. # [11:36] <SteveF> darobin: thanks!
  100. # [11:39] <darobin> SteveF: yes, that LGTM!
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  110. # [13:40] <stommepoes> l g the manual?
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  114. # [14:22] <darobin> stommepoes: looks good to me :)
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  116. # [14:34] <stommepoes> ah
  117. # [14:34] <stommepoes> glad I didn't say my other thought: lesbian gay trans manual
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  119. # [14:45] <darobin> *manual* :)
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  144. # [17:57] <paulc> trackbot, start meeting
  145. # [17:57] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  147. # [17:57] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/01/09-html-wg-irc
  148. # [17:57] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  149. # [17:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  151. # [17:57] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  152. # [17:57] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  153. # [17:57] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  154. # [17:57] <trackbot> Date: 09 January 2014
  155. # [17:57] <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
  156. # [17:57] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
  157. # [17:57] <Zakim> -??P7
  158. # [17:57] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  159. # [17:58] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  160. # [17:58] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
  161. # [17:58] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  162. # [17:58] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  163. # [17:58] <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft.a has me
  164. # [17:58] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  165. # [17:58] <paulc> Happy New Year.
  166. # [17:58] <Eliot> and you!
  167. # [17:58] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  168. # [17:58] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.aa has me
  169. # [17:58] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  170. # [17:59] <Zakim> +Sam
  171. # [17:59] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JanMar/0000.html
  172. # [17:59] <Zakim> +Sam.a
  173. # [17:59] <Zakim> +??P5
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  175. # [18:00] <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
  176. # [18:00] <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
  177. # [18:00] <Zakim> +Mike
  178. # [18:00] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  179. # [18:00] <Zakim> On the phone I see Daniel_Austin, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], [Microsoft.aa], Sam, Sam.a, ??P5, Mike (muted)
  180. # [18:00] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  181. # [18:00] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
  182. # [18:00] <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has jaymunro
  183. # [18:00] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JanMar/0000.html
  184. # [18:00] <rubys> scribe: rubys
  185. # [18:01] <rubys> topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, January 9
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  187. # [18:01] <rubys> ACTION-229?
  188. # [18:01] * trackbot is looking up ACTION-229.
  189. # [18:01] <trackbot> ACTION-229 -- Paul Cotton to Check the status of the authoring spec -- due 2013-12-19 -- OPEN
  190. # [18:01] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/229
  191. # [18:01] <Zakim> +??P4
  192. # [18:01] <janina> zakim, ??P4 is me
  193. # [18:01] <Zakim> +janina; got it
  194. # [18:01] <rubys> Status: See discussion at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Jan/0011.html
  195. # [18:01] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Jan/0011.html
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  197. # [18:02] * plh zakim, call plh-mobile
  198. # [18:02] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  199. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Plh
  200. # [18:02] <rubys> close action-229
  201. # [18:02] * trackbot is closing action-229.
  202. # [18:02] <trackbot> Closed action-229.
  203. # [18:03] <rubys> paulc: robin implemented in 5.1; stevef started a thread; eventually we wanted it implemented in 5.0
  204. # [18:04] <rubys> paulc: the only remaining question is whether (and when) it will be done in 5.0
  205. # [18:04] <rubys> plh: this won't be top of Robin's list for the near term
  206. # [18:04] <rubys> paulc: that's fine; action is still done
  207. # [18:04] <rubys> topic: Upcoming Publications
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  209. # [18:04] <rubys> a) Transition Request: Candidate Recommendation of HTML Media Source Extensions (MSE) https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2013OctDec/0304.html [Member-only link] Status: Director's decision and publication is pending.
  210. # [18:05] <rubys> plh: it is expected to be published today
  211. # [18:05] <rubys> mikeSmith: it will be out shortly after this call
  212. # [18:05] <rubys> b) Publishing Ruby spec as a WG Note http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Jan/0024.html Status: Awaiting plan from Editors.
  213. # [18:06] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Jan/0028.html
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  215. # [18:06] <rubys> paulc: Robin is working on a larger change to 5.0, and will fold in Ruby at that time; once complete we will do a CfC to publish Ruby as a note
  216. # [18:08] <rubys> paulc: this work was originally published as a separate note (under the CC-BY license), and now has been folded into 5.1. The existing draft needs to be published as a Note with a note indicating that it has been folded into the HTML5 spec.
  217. # [18:08] <rubys> c) WG Decision on Polyglot Note vs Recommendation Track http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Dec/0025.html Status: Editors are preparing a revised Last Call WD. ETA Thu Jan 16 with publication of LC in Feb.
  218. # [18:09] <rubys> Eliot: we are on schedule
  219. # [18:09] <rubys> e) A11Y TF Call for Consensus: longdesc stand-alone spec http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Dec/0077.html Status: The A11Y TF CfC closed on Dec 31.
  220. # [18:09] * rubys notes we skipped (d) Canvas 2D
  221. # [18:10] <rubys> paulc: the TF decided on a stand-alone spec; they plan to skip CR based on existing interoperability status
  222. # [18:10] <rubys> paulc: this is an example of an extension spec that is heading directly to Recommendation
  223. # [18:11] <rubys> d) Canvas 2D revised Candidate Recommendation or Last Call See: Minutes: Canvas Accessibility Sub Group Teleconference, 6 January 2014 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Jan/0006.html Status: Sub-Group is targeting later in January for completion of review of outstanding CR bugs.
  224. # [18:12] <rubys> Paulc: the plan is to return to LC; given wide interoperability status (except for focus ring) skipping CR may be a possibility
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  226. # [18:13] <plh> q+
  227. # [18:13] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  228. # [18:13] <rubys> paulc: if we did a minimum 3 week LC, we could go into CR (or PR) in March
  229. # [18:13] <rubys> ack next
  230. # [18:13] * Zakim sees plh at the head of the speaker queue
  231. # [18:13] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  232. # [18:13] <rubys> plh: I did some tests for focus ring
  233. # [18:13] <rubys> paulc: can you send me a link?
  234. # [18:14] <rubys> plh: I'll put the link in the minutes
  235. # [18:14] <rubys> paulc: the chairs are discussing heartbeats...
  236. # [18:14] <rubys> 3. Outstanding HTML5 CR bugs http://tinyurl.com/le59ctq
  237. # [18:15] <plh> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Dec/0011.html systemfocusring tests
  238. # [18:15] * rubys changes topic to 'Outstanding HTML5 CR bugs'
  239. # [18:15] <rubys> topic Outstanding HTML5 CR bugs
  240. # [18:15] <rubys> paulc: the list was 11 an hour ago, now is down to 10; it was ~480 when we established the new editorial team
  241. # [18:16] <rubys> paulc: working with the various editors on these (mentions a list of actions and bug numbers)
  242. # [18:16] <rubys> action-234?
  243. # [18:16] * trackbot is looking up action-234.
  244. # [18:16] <trackbot> action-234 -- Steve Faulkner to Resolve bug 21579 and will provide spec text https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=21579 -- due 2013-11-21 -- OPEN
  245. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/234
  246. # [18:16] <rubys> action-235?
  247. # [18:16] * trackbot is looking up action-235.
  248. # [18:16] <trackbot> action-235 -- Edward O'Connor to Resolve 19728 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19728 -- due 2013-11-21 -- OPEN
  249. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/235
  250. # [18:16] <rubys> action-236?
  251. # [18:16] * trackbot is looking up action-236.
  252. # [18:16] <trackbot> action-236 -- Erika Doyle Navara to Resolve bug https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=23208 as discussed -- due 2013-11-21 -- CLOSED
  253. # [18:16] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/236
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  255. # [18:16] <rubys> paulc: action-236 is done, 234 and 235 are ongoing
  256. # [18:17] <rubys> d) Other A11Y -related CR bugs http://www.w3.org/2013/12/12-html-a11y-minutes.html#item08 Status: A11Y TF and PF WG are working on several CR bugs.
  257. # [18:17] <rubys> paulc: I believe that every one of the CR bugs have somebody assigned; hopefully the number will be at or close to zero by the end of the month
  258. # [18:17] <rubys> topic Other Business
  259. # [18:17] <rubys> action-237?
  260. # [18:17] * trackbot is looking up action-237.
  261. # [18:17] <trackbot> action-237 -- Robin Berjon to Give us a revised overview of testing document - in 4 weeks -- due 2013-12-16 -- CLOSED
  262. # [18:17] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/237
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  264. # [18:18] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tests-cr-exit/
  265. # [18:18] <rubys> paulc: Robin sent out an email; don't believe there were any responses
  266. # [18:18] <rubys> paulc: next action would be for the chairs to issue a CfC
  267. # [18:19] <rubys> paulc: I put this on the agenda to get people to look at it
  268. # [18:19] <MikeSmith> q+ to discuss HTML WG f2f meeting plans for this Spring
  269. # [18:19] * Zakim sees MikeSmith on the speaker queue
  270. # [18:19] <rubys> paulc: there have been major editorial changes
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  272. # [18:20] <Zakim> +??P3
  273. # [18:20] <tantek> Zakim, ??P3 is tantek
  274. # [18:20] <Zakim> +tantek; got it
  275. # [18:20] <rubys> janina: there is an annual conference on A11y in March; it helps as a deadline for work
  276. # [18:21] <rubys> janina: out goal is to publish longdesc no later than March 18th (the conference starts on the 19th)
  277. # [18:21] <rubys> paulc: on the "alt" material, are there particular CR bugs related to that?
  278. # [18:22] <rubys> janina: there is at least one bug, possibly a few more
  279. # [18:22] <rubys> paulc: 21579 is possibly one
  280. # [18:22] <paulc> Alt CR bugs; https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21579
  281. # [18:23] <rubys> paulc: it would be great to also include a republished Canvas draft by that deadline (as well as HTML5 to zero bugs)
  282. # [18:23] <rubys> ack next
  283. # [18:23] * Zakim sees MikeSmith at the head of the speaker queue
  284. # [18:23] <paulc> ack Mike
  285. # [18:23] <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to discuss HTML WG f2f meeting plans for this Spring
  286. # [18:23] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  287. # [18:23] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  288. # [18:23] <rubys> MikeSmith: we had some discussion (including at TPAC) to have another F2F; last year was hosted by eBay in San Jose
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  290. # [18:24] <rubys> MikeSmith: I've been helping making plans for this spring; the best time and place would be April 9-10 in the Silicon Valley area (depending on host)
  291. # [18:25] <rubys> MikeSmith: this date is based on collocating the week after the W3C TAG and related meetings.
  292. # [18:25] <rubys> Paulc: the challenge is picking the host that can meet that date; I assume you (Mike) are reaching out...
  293. # [18:26] <rubys> MikeSmith: PLH and I are working on this (as well as other meetings)
  294. # [18:26] <rubys> paulc: questions?
  295. # [18:26] <plh> q+
  296. # [18:26] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  297. # [18:27] <rubys> daniel: we have a standing offer to host, will need to check that specific date
  298. # [18:27] <paulc> ack plh
  299. # [18:27] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  300. # [18:27] <rubys> plh: we are looking to organize a workshop (open to the public) on the monday and tuesday before this meeting
  301. # [18:28] <rubys> daniel: it has been 16 years since we have had such a workshop...
  302. # [18:28] <rubys> plh: we should look at how we did based on what was said in that meeting
  303. # [18:29] <Zakim> -tantek
  304. # [18:29] <rubys> paulc: other comments?
  305. # [18:30] <rubys> danielsh: I'll double check what we can host
  306. # [18:30] <rubys> s/danielsh/daniel/
  307. # [18:30] <rubys> paulc: other business?
  308. # [18:30] <rubys> topic Scribe for next meeting
  309. # [18:31] <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
  310. # [18:31] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/09-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
  311. # [18:31] <rubys> paulc: perhaps Kris could scribe
  312. # [18:31] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  313. # [18:31] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  314. # [18:31] <rubys> plh: I'll send out the minutes for the last meeting by the top of the hour
  315. # [18:31] <Zakim> -janina
  316. # [18:31] <Zakim> -??P5
  317. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Daniel_Austin
  318. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Plh
  319. # [18:31] <rubys> paulc: adjourned
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  321. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Mike
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  323. # [18:31] <rubys> rrsagent, generate minutes
  324. # [18:31] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/09-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
  325. # [18:32] <Zakim> -Sam.a
  326. # [18:32] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  327. # [18:32] <Zakim> -Sam
  328. # [18:32] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  329. # [18:32] <Zakim> Attendees were Daniel_Austin, paulc, [Microsoft], Eliot, jaymunro, Sam, Mike, janina, Plh, tantek
  330. # [18:35] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  331. # [18:35] <Zakim> +Daniel_Wester
  332. # [18:35] <Zakim> -Daniel_Wester
  333. # [18:35] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  334. # [18:35] <Zakim> Attendees were Daniel_Wester
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