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  65. # [11:08] <gitbot> syntax/master a966993 Michael[tm] Smith: Added a couple more meta@name values.
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  107. # [17:43] <SteveF> cabanier_: whats the deal with differences between whatwg canvas and w3c canvas re . drawFocusIfNeeded(element)?
  108. # [17:43] <SteveF> cabanier_: as in is there agreement to de-fork?
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  110. # [17:44] <SteveF> cabanier_: or more importantly, have implementers agreed on drawFocusIfNeeded(element)?
  111. # [17:45] <plh> Steve, I believe the canvas folks are still getting feedback but, so far, it seems the implementers are on board with drawFocusIfNeeded
  112. # [17:45] <SteveF> plh: thanks!
  113. # [17:46] <plh> there was a long thread with them on the canvas list 2 weeks ago or ago
  114. # [17:46] <plh> s/or ago/or so/
  115. # [17:48] <SteveF> plh: yeah skimmed it, but was unclear about it
  116. # [17:49] <plh> I don't think the conclusion is fully settled yet
  117. # [17:49] <plh> they're waiting for updates in the document before confirming
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  119. # [17:56] <paulc> trackbot, start meeting
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  124. # [17:56] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  125. # [17:56] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  126. # [17:56] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
  127. # [17:56] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  128. # [17:56] <trackbot> Date: 23 January 2014
  129. # [17:56] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JanMar/0005.html
  130. # [17:57] <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
  131. # [17:57] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
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  133. # [17:57] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  134. # [17:57] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  135. # [17:57] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  136. # [17:57] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  137. # [17:58] <paulc> rrsagent, generate minutes
  138. # [17:58] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/23-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
  139. # [17:58] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  140. # [17:58] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft has me
  141. # [17:58] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
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  145. # [17:59] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  146. # [17:59] <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft.a has me
  147. # [17:59] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  148. # [17:59] <Zakim> +Daniel_Austin
  149. # [17:59] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  150. # [17:59] <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], Daniel_Austin
  151. # [17:59] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  152. # [17:59] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has jaymunro
  153. # [18:00] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  154. # [18:00] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  155. # [18:00] <Zakim> +Plh
  156. # [18:01] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JanMar/0005.html
  157. # [18:03] <paulc> scribenick: jaymunro
  158. # [18:03] <paulc> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, January 23
  159. # [18:03] <paulc> ACTI
  160. # [18:03] <paulc> O
  161. # [18:03] <jaymunro> topic: ACTION-234: Resolve bug 21579 and will provide spec text
  162. # [18:03] <jaymunro> https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=21579 [Steve Faulkner]
  163. # [18:03] <jaymunro> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/234
  164. # [18:03] <Zakim> +??P17
  165. # [18:03] <jaymunro> ACTION-235: Resolve 19728
  166. # [18:03] * trackbot is adding a note to ACTION-235.
  167. # [18:03] <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-235 Resolve 19728 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19728.
  168. # [18:03] <jaymunro> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19728 [Edward O'Connor]
  169. # [18:03] <jaymunro> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/235
  170. # [18:03] <paulc> ACTION-234?
  171. # [18:03] * trackbot is looking up ACTION-234.
  172. # [18:03] <trackbot> ACTION-234 -- Steve Faulkner to Resolve bug 21579 and will provide spec text https://www.w3.org/bugs/public/show_bug.cgi?id=21579 -- due 2014-01-23 -- OPEN
  173. # [18:03] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/234
  174. # [18:03] <paulc> ACTION-235?
  175. # [18:03] * trackbot is looking up ACTION-235.
  176. # [18:03] <trackbot> ACTION-235 -- Edward O'Connor to Resolve 19728 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19728 -- due 2014-01-23 -- OPEN
  177. # [18:03] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/235
  178. # [18:03] <jaymunro> topic: ACTION-235: Resolve 19728
  179. # [18:03] <jaymunro> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19728 [Edward O'Connor]
  180. # [18:03] <jaymunro> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/235
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  182. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Sam
  183. # [18:03] <jaymunro> these were sent out in dec, and we're down to about 6-7 CR bugs
  184. # [18:04] <jaymunro> Steve's been busy with other accessibility work. We'll keep them open with their existing due dates
  185. # [18:04] <jaymunro> topics: Canvas 2D revised Candidate Recommendation or Last Call
  186. # [18:04] <jaymunro> Status: All outstanding CR bugs have been resolved. Awaiting candidate Canvas Last Call and Canvas L2 heartbeat documents.
  187. # [18:04] <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Jan/0055.html
  188. # [18:04] <jaymunro> only sub item is how we're going to deal with Canvas. A11y sub task group has now resolved all the CR bugs related to focus ring
  189. # [18:05] <jaymunro> by next week will confirm by next week the edits are ok. The editors will make the docements ready for LC.
  190. # [18:06] <jaymunro> Paul: not worried about canvas specs will keep up with other specs. Canvas will follow a week or so later
  191. # [18:06] <jaymunro> topic: 2nd last call a) CfC: to publish a Last Call “Polyglot Markup” Working Draft - closes Tue Jan 28
  192. # [18:06] <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0035.html
  193. # [18:07] <jaymunro> this is the 2nd last call, minimum of 3 weeks with the discussion of whether it's normative or not.
  194. # [18:07] <jaymunro> topic :b) CfC: to publish “HTML 5.0" and "HTML 5.1" heartbeat Working Drafts – closes Tue Jan 28
  195. # [18:07] <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0035.html
  196. # [18:07] <jaymunro> Paul: not much to say about them, other then keeping them up to date
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  198. # [18:07] <jaymunro> topic: c) CfC: to maintain “Image Description Extension (longdesc)” Working Draft on the Recommendation track – closes Tue Jan 28
  199. # [18:07] <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0037.html
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  201. # [18:08] <jaymunro> this comes to us from the a11y task force, rather than loading the image description into the spec, it's in last call. group thinks it will go directly to proposed recomendation without a CR period.
  202. # [18:08] <jaymunro> remind people CR is optional.
  203. # [18:08] <jaymunro> topic: d) CfC: to publish "HTML Ruby Markup Extensions" as a WG Note – closes Tue Jan 28
  204. # [18:08] <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0041.html
  205. # [18:08] <jaymunro> this has been folded back into HTML and HTML5 specs. There was a ruby bug now as well.
  206. # [18:09] <jaymunro> since originally it was pub'd as a tr doc, it should be cleaned up and point to html spec
  207. # [18:09] <jaymunro> e) CfC: to publish a Last Call “DOM4” Working Draft – closes Tue Jan 28
  208. # [18:09] <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0042.html
  209. # [18:09] <jaymunro> topic: e) CfC: to publish a Last Call “DOM4” Working Draft – closes Tue Jan 28
  210. # [18:09] <jaymunro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jan/0042.html
  211. # [18:10] <jaymunro> an important normative ref to 5.0. This will take DOM4 to last call, will take 4 weeks. Comment from Charles, 4 weeks is ok unless someone asks for an extension.
  212. # [18:10] <jaymunro> a longer review period will be considered if brought up.
  213. # [18:10] <jaymunro> topic: other business
  214. # [18:11] <jaymunro> Philip did a good chair session this morning that will be available publicly soon.
  215. # [18:12] <paulc> Talking about a Spring F2F
  216. # [18:12] <jaymunro> plh: I went backward from last week. The assistance at the TAG event wasn't correct, need to check that. Need to check on the scope of the workshop.
  217. # [18:12] <jaymunro> plh: got some pushback from webapps about not doing a tpac this year.
  218. # [18:13] <jaymunro> Subsitute the spring f2f as a mini-tpac.
  219. # [18:14] <jaymunro> trying to get folks to move, get people to book rooms. Need to get the rooms farther ahead of time. To come up with dates, PLH needs to know what the needs are
  220. # [18:14] <jaymunro> . Trying to make progress, but moving slowly.
  221. # [18:14] <jaymunro> Topic: other other business
  222. # [18:15] <jaymunro> plh: we have other people working on a date report of the testing status. approved, and pending approval to see what tests are being worked on.
  223. # [18:16] <jaymunro> plh: we're hoping that we will get a final picture of the range of tests. We are able to generate implementation reports for the entire test suite. Our biggest weakness is section 5. Need to make a push on getting tests for section 5.
  224. # [18:16] <jaymunro> paulc: you mentioned if people could approve pull requests on tests.
  225. # [18:17] <jaymunro> plh: there is a push on the platform to get the pull requsts under 120. When from 50 pull requestions to 48 on html spec.
  226. # [18:17] <cabanier_> SteveF: Chrome, IE and some engineers from mozilla agree
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  228. # [18:17] <jaymunro> plh: will cross to kris about focusing on section 56
  229. # [18:17] <jaymunro> section 5
  230. # [18:17] <cabanier_> SteveF: when I asked for review of my patch for firefox, the reviewer talked to hixie.
  231. # [18:18] <cabanier_> SteveF: and Hixie changed the spec so it states the opposite of what we agreed upon
  232. # [18:18] <cabanier_> SteveF: I'm hopeful that the patch will land in FF
  233. # [18:18] <jaymunro> PLH: we think we can get these done in the next few months. Section 5 is the part on loading webpages. We feel we have some dragons in that are. and need to work with the working group
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  235. # [18:18] <jaymunro> plh: We're trying to get a test for every feature in the spec, for consideration of being dropped if not implemented.
  236. # [18:19] <plh> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/HTML_Normative_References
  237. # [18:19] <jaymunro> PLH: robin did an update on a page where we traced the normative references for status. robin updated this week, so the wiki has the latest data.
  238. # [18:19] <SteveF> cabanier_:ok, thanks was just looking at the whatwg spec and didn't see it changed so wondered
  239. # [18:19] <jaymunro> PLH: good progress on the latest front.
  240. # [18:20] <jaymunro> Paulc: what about things that are outside the working group, like webidl?
  241. # [18:20] <Zakim> +??P20
  242. # [18:21] <cabanier_> SteveF: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/1d400d3ad11a5b79d75902ef0f4ea69ba6a03001
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  244. # [18:21] <jaymunro> PLH: how much pressure do we need to apply to other groups? How do we need them to complete that document? Thats what the new version is about, some we should worry, other we shouldn't worry.
  245. # [18:21] <cabanier_> SteveF: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/2728a6de9219617dcc51c4160819d262e1dc8ba1
  246. # [18:21] <jaymunro> PLH: I released this this morning. Plan is to talk to the groups. For WebIDL we know the status, biggest issue is implementation. test suite not approved but fully reviewed.
  247. # [18:21] <tantek> Zakim, who is on the phone
  248. # [18:21] <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', tantek
  249. # [18:22] <tantek> Zakim, who is on the phone?
  250. # [18:22] <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a], Daniel_Austin, Plh, ??P17, Sam, ??P20
  251. # [18:22] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has Eliot
  252. # [18:22] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has jaymunro
  253. # [18:22] <jaymunro> issue is that we don't have complete implementation.
  254. # [18:22] * trackbot doesn't understand that ISSUE command.
  255. # [18:22] <jaymunro> the issue is that we don't have complete implementation.
  256. # [18:22] <tantek> Zakim, ??P20 is tantek
  257. # [18:22] <Zakim> +tantek; got it
  258. # [18:22] <jaymunro> PLH: that's it.
  259. # [18:22] <SteveF> cabanier_: but drawFocusIfNeeded(element) not in there yet
  260. # [18:22] * tantek reads the logs
  261. # [18:23] * rubys indeed!
  262. # [18:23] <jaymunro> Paulc: call for scribe? Krisk next week, with backup.
  263. # [18:23] <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
  264. # [18:23] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/01/23-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
  265. # [18:23] <tantek> thanks jaymunro
  266. # [18:23] <Zakim> -Daniel_Austin
  267. # [18:23] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
  268. # [18:23] <Zakim> -??P17
  269. # [18:23] <Zakim> -Plh
  270. # [18:23] <Zakim> -Sam
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  272. # [18:23] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  273. # [18:23] <Zakim> -tantek
  274. # [18:23] <Zakim> -paulc
  275. # [18:23] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  276. # [18:23] <Zakim> Attendees were paulc, jaymunro, [Microsoft], Eliot, Daniel_Austin, Plh, Sam, tantek
  277. # [18:24] <cabanier_> SteveF: no.
  278. # [18:25] <cabanier_> SteveF: I guess that since we renamed the API, we're actually not out of sync :-)
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