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  24. # [05:48] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/d815de537a86d4334294725d40f077ee2eb0cde9
  25. # [05:48] <gitbot> syntax/master d815de5 Michael[tm] Smith: Drop non-well-known-port warning. Thanks zewt.
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  28. # [05:52] <MikeSmith> zewt: fixed https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/d815de537a86d4334294725d40f077ee2eb0cde9
  29. # [05:52] <MikeSmith> oops
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  50. # [10:20] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/2ea405c0abe4334e6c37d4ed78bf35fc473ba1f6
  51. # [10:20] <gitbot> syntax/master 2ea405c Michael[tm] Smith: Added more meta@name values.
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  57. # [11:06] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/13475020b9f08a9df02157a492abd7a78aa43497
  58. # [11:06] <gitbot> syntax/master 1347502 Michael[tm] Smith: Fixed sorting of meta@name values string array.
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  66. # [11:21] <gitbot> [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/25b35e31001c2d16d737fe0dba8372ff76583e60
  67. # [11:21] <gitbot> syntax/master 25b35e3 Michael[tm] Smith: Added meta@name=p:domain_verify.
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  75. # [13:39] * Topic is 'HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference; Thursday 20 February at 16:00Z for 60 minutes; Zakim 2119#'
  76. # [13:39] * Set by janina on Fri Feb 14 12:59:36
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  93. # [18:04] <krisk> trackbot, start meeting
  94. # [18:04] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  96. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-html-wg-irc
  97. # [18:04] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  98. # [18:04] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  100. # [18:04] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  101. # [18:04] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  102. # [18:04] <trackbot> Date: 20 February 2014
  103. # [18:04] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
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  108. # [18:04] <krisk> zakim, who's on the phone?
  109. # [18:04] <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft.a]
  110. # [18:04] <paulc> trackbot, start meeting
  111. # [18:04] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
  112. # [18:05] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  113. # [18:05] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  114. # [18:05] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  115. # [18:05] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  116. # [18:05] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  117. # [18:05] <trackbot> Date: 20 February 2014
  118. # [18:05] <krisk> zakim, Microsoft.a is krisk
  119. # [18:05] <Zakim> +krisk; got it
  120. # [18:05] <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
  121. # [18:05] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
  122. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  123. # [18:05] <Zakim> +??P6
  124. # [18:05] <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft has me
  125. # [18:05] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  126. # [18:05] <janina> zakim, ??P6 is me
  127. # [18:05] <Zakim> +janina; got it
  128. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  129. # [18:05] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.a has me
  130. # [18:05] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  131. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
  132. # [18:05] <krisk> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JanMar/0014.html
  133. # [18:05] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  134. # [18:05] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  135. # [18:05] <krisk> Chair: paulc
  136. # [18:05] <krisk> scribe: krisk
  137. # [18:06] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
  138. # [18:06] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  139. # [18:06] <jaymunro> zakim, microsoft.a has me
  140. # [18:06] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  141. # [18:06] <Zakim> +??P7
  142. # [18:07] <paulc> rrsagent, who is on the phone?
  143. # [18:07] <RRSAgent> I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'who is on the phone'
  144. # [18:07] <paulc> rssagent, who is on the phone?
  145. # [18:07] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  146. # [18:07] <Zakim> On the phone I see krisk, [Microsoft], janina, paulc, [Microsoft.a], ??P7
  147. # [18:07] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Eliot
  148. # [18:07] <Zakim> paulc has jaymunro
  149. # [18:07] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has jaymunro
  150. # [18:08] <krisk> paulc: who is ??P7
  151. # [18:09] <paulc> zakim, ??P7 is Paul_Rogers
  152. # [18:09] <Zakim> +Paul_Rogers; got it
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  154. # [18:10] <krisk_> *helo
  155. # [18:10] <krisk_> TOPIC: ACTION items due by Thursday, February 20
  156. # [18:10] <krisk_> paulc: none
  157. # [18:10] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  158. # [18:10] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  159. # [18:10] <krisk_> TOPIC: Publications this week
  160. # [18:10] <Zakim> +Plh
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  162. # [18:10] <krisk_> EME Heartbeat published
  163. # [18:10] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/3670
  164. # [18:10] <krisk_> see-> http://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/3670
  165. # [18:11] <krisk_> paulc: lots of discussion, but document has been published and media task force is working on closing bugs
  166. # [18:11] <krisk_> TOPIC: Last Calls closing next week
  167. # [18:11] <krisk_> Polyglot Markup: A robust profile of the HTML5 vocabulary Last Call ends Feb 25
  168. # [18:11] <krisk_> paulc: not alot of comments
  169. # [18:12] <krisk_> paulc: we took this back to last call to get more comments, prior to CR
  170. # [18:12] <krisk_> See-> http://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/3670
  171. # [18:12] <krisk_> paulc: Note DOM4 last call is March 4th
  172. # [18:13] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-dom-20140204/
  173. # [18:13] <krisk_> plh: I want to make sure that people look at the document
  174. # [18:13] <paulc> DOM4 LC open bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=DOM4&list_id=32864&product=HTML%20WG&query_format=advanced
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  176. # [18:13] <krisk_> ..specifically part that have not been implemented and what items could be at risk due to no implementations
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  180. # [18:16] <krisk> *I'm back...
  181. # [18:16] <paulc> Original chairs@w3.org announcement of DOM4 LC: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2014JanMar/0067.html
  182. # [18:16] <Zakim> +??P10
  183. # [18:16] <krisk> janina: We are looking at DOM4 and the date seems tight given the canvas work
  184. # [18:16] <tantek> zakim, ??p10 is tantek
  185. # [18:16] <Zakim> +tantek; got it
  186. # [18:17] <tantek> zakim, mute tantek
  187. # [18:17] <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
  188. # [18:17] <krisk> paulc: I suggest you respond back to the mail thread above and register a request for an extension for the DOM4 LC event
  189. # [18:17] <krisk> TOPIC: Outstanding CR bugs
  190. # [18:18] <krisk> paulc: see http://tinyurl.com/le59ctq
  191. # [18:18] <krisk> paulc: We have 10 bugs total
  192. # [18:18] * tantek has been following along in IRC
  193. # [18:18] <krisk> * HI!
  194. # [18:18] <krisk> paulc: The first three bugs are time zone issues that travil is working on and should be fixed this week
  195. # [18:18] <paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Feb/0035.html
  196. # [18:18] <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16957
  197. # [18:18] <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16959
  198. # [18:18] <krisk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16960
  199. # [18:19] * tantek looks at timezone bugs
  200. # [18:19] <krisk> paulc: The others I don't have data on status for
  201. # [18:19] <krisk> paulc: Revert deletion of table@border, Robin and editorial team
  202. # [18:19] <krisk> paulc: The chairs are not going to get to this item until next week
  203. # [18:19] <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24705
  204. # [18:20] <krisk> paulc: I have asked the editor team to deal with this as a high pri
  205. # [18:20] <krisk> see -> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24705
  206. # [18:20] <krisk> paulc: So we should expect movement on this item for next week
  207. # [18:20] <krisk> paulc: One other bug I think needs to be treated as a CR bug
  208. # [18:20] <paulc> Re-add the media attribute to the specification
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  210. # [18:21] <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24731
  211. # [18:21] <krisk> paulc: This also is a revert request
  212. # [18:21] <krisk> paulc: I hope that this one also become as CR request
  213. # [18:22] <krisk> paulc: 3 should close, 2 revert requests which the chairs will drive to close for the next meeting
  214. # [18:22] <krisk> TOPIC: HTML WG F2F meeting, San Jose, Apr 8-9
  215. # [18:22] <paulc> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-04-Agenda
  216. # [18:22] <krisk> paulc: Please add agenda items
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  218. # [18:23] <krisk> paulc: Potential topics - open CR bugs, HTML5 at risk features, extension spec status
  219. # [18:23] <tantek> zakim, who is here?
  220. # [18:23] <Zakim> On the phone I see krisk, [Microsoft], janina, paulc, [Microsoft.a], Paul_Rogers, Plh, tantek (muted)
  221. # [18:23] <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Eliot
  222. # [18:23] <Zakim> paulc has jaymunro
  223. # [18:23] <Zakim> [Microsoft.a] has jaymunro
  224. # [18:23] <Zakim> On IRC I see krisk, karl, tantek, pladd, paulc, janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, jaymunro, Eliot, lgombos, glenn, plh, Lachy, krijnhoetmer, SteveF, heath, hober, paul___irish, Josh_Soref,
  225. # [18:23] <Zakim> ... pdr_, tobie__, timeless, anssik, mattur, tH, jgraham, cabanier_
  226. # [18:23] <krisk> paulc: Some may get closed prior which is fine but this is just a start
  227. # [18:23] <krisk> paulc: I'm asking TFs if they have items they would like to discuss as well
  228. # [18:24] <krisk> janina: I'll know more next week
  229. # [18:24] <plh> q+
  230. # [18:24] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  231. # [18:24] <paulc> ack plh
  232. # [18:24] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  233. # [18:24] <krisk> paulc: We will run the meeting like normal - unconferenced style where we will spend the first 30-45 minutes building the agenda for the F2F
  234. # [18:24] <krisk> plh: I'd like to discuss the testing status report
  235. # [18:25] <krisk> plh: When an item is listed as 'Needs Testing' it was marked last April as needing testing.
  236. # [18:25] <krisk> plh: So this should be reviewed again at the meeting
  237. # [18:26] <krisk> See -> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tests-cr-exit/
  238. # [18:26] <krisk> SUBTOPIC: F2F registration
  239. # [18:26] <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Feb/0063.html
  240. # [18:27] <krisk> paulc: Please register so that the event can be planned properly (food, room size, etc)
  241. # [18:27] <krisk> paulc: Registration closed on March 28th
  242. # [18:27] <krisk> TOPIC: Other Business
  243. # [18:27] <tantek> zakim, unmute tantek
  244. # [18:27] <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
  245. # [18:27] <krisk> Canvas Last Call and Canvas L2 heartbeat
  246. # [18:27] <tantek> q+
  247. # [18:27] * Zakim sees tantek on the speaker queue
  248. # [18:28] <krisk> see -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Feb/0001.html
  249. # [18:28] <krisk> paulc: Alot of discussion occured this morning
  250. # [18:28] <krisk> paulc: Do you have minutes?
  251. # [18:28] <paulc> Canvas options for TF email list: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Feb/0052.html
  252. # [18:29] <paulc> TF minutes: http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-html-a11y-minutes.html
  253. # [18:29] <krisk> janina: Can you summerize?
  254. # [18:29] <krisk> janina: We had agreement for min accessibility for 502 requirements
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  256. # [18:31] <krisk_> Moz added hit testing in about a week
  257. # [18:32] <krisk_> janina: Ally is going to make a recommendation by next week for the L1 Canvas spec
  258. # [18:32] <tantek> zakim, mute tantek
  259. # [18:32] <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
  260. # [18:32] <krisk_> paulc: I think this is due to the 502 regulatory tension for the document
  261. # [18:32] <jaymunro> I found this one: http://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/communications-and-it/about-the-section-508-standards/section-508-standards
  262. # [18:33] <plh> q+
  263. # [18:33] * Zakim sees tantek, plh on the speaker queue
  264. # [18:33] <jaymunro> I found this one: http://www.access-board.gov/guidelines-and-standards/communications-and-it/about-the-section-508-standards/section-508-standards
  265. # [18:33] <krisk_> paulc: janina can you send the 502 references at least on the Ally TF list?
  266. # [18:33] <tantek> zakim, unmute tantek
  267. # [18:33] <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
  268. # [18:33] <paulc> ack tantek
  269. # [18:33] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  270. # [18:33] <krisk_> tantek: For the F2F should we just add items to the wiki?
  271. # [18:33] <krisk_> paulc: Just add them no need for a discussion to be added
  272. # [18:34] <krisk_> tantek: I have some conserns about timezone issues/bugs which would seem like a good topic to discuss
  273. # [18:34] <krisk_> paulc: Great add them and feel free to add bugs, links to the lists, etc
  274. # [18:35] <krisk_> paulc: tantek please review the bugs that travil is looking and provide feedback
  275. # [18:35] <paulc> ack plh
  276. # [18:35] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  277. # [18:35] <tantek> zakim, mute tantek
  278. # [18:35] <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
  279. # [18:35] <krisk_> plh: I was looking at the minutes of the ally meeting
  280. # [18:35] <krisk_> plh: The charter that was quoted is the old version and the new one needs to be cited
  281. # [18:35] <plh> http://www.w3.org/2013/09/html-charter.html
  282. # [18:36] <krisk_> paulc: I'll respond back to the meeting notes to have this corrected
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  284. # [18:37] <krisk_> paulc: any other items to discuss?
  285. # [18:37] <krisk_> paulc: I hear none
  286. # [18:37] <krisk_> paulc: chair next week is rubys
  287. # [18:37] <krisk_> I can scribe next week
  288. # [18:37] <krisk_> paulc: meeting adjourned
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  290. # [18:38] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  291. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Paul_Rogers
  292. # [18:38] <Zakim> -janina
  293. # [18:38] <Zakim> -Plh
  294. # [18:38] <Zakim> -tantek
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  296. # [18:38] <Zakim> -[Microsoft.a]
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  299. # [18:39] <krisk_> RRSAgent, make logs public
  300. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, krisk_
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  302. # [18:39] <krisk_> rrsagent, generate minutes
  303. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/02/20-html-wg-minutes.html krisk_
  304. # [18:39] <krisk_> RRSAgent, make logs public
  305. # [18:39] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, krisk_
  306. # [18:39] <Zakim> -krisk
  307. # [18:39] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  308. # [18:39] <Zakim> Attendees were krisk, Eliot, janina, [Microsoft], jaymunro, paulc, Paul_Rogers, Plh, tantek
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