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  1. # Session Start: Thu Apr 10 00:00:00 2014
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  7. # [00:13] <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
  8. # [00:13] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/09-html-wg-minutes.html plh
  9. # [00:17] <plh> Topici: back to HTML5 features at risk
  10. # [00:17] <plh> Topic: back to HTML5 features at risk
  11. # [00:17] <plh> scribe: plh
  12. # [00:18] <plh> Robin: reportValidaty fails everywhere
  13. # [00:18] <plh> ... ok removed
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  15. # [00:18] <plh> ... <style scoped
  16. # [00:18] <plh> ... anyone supports it?
  17. # [00:19] <plh> Ted: depends on work in the css wg. not ready.
  18. # [00:19] <plh> Robin: ok removed
  19. # [00:19] <plh> ... XMLDocument.load
  20. # [00:19] <plh> ... firefox removed it
  21. # [00:20] <plh> .... ok removed
  22. # [00:20] <plh> plh: editors might want to remove from HTML 5.1
  23. # [00:20] <plh> ... (for XMLDocument.load)
  24. # [00:20] <plh> Robin: other bucket
  25. # [00:21] <plh> ... New Ruby Model
  26. # [00:21] <plh> .... webkit started work on it
  27. # [00:21] <plh> ... lots of failures on HTMLMediaElement.addTextTrack
  28. # [00:21] <plh> ... mostly failing at the moment
  29. # [00:22] <plh> Paul: time should be input/time in the wiki
  30. # [00:22] <plh> ... also we have a couple of items missing:
  31. # [00:22] <plh> ... output and outline algorithm
  32. # [00:23] <plh> Robin: I thought we discussed. sorry. output element seems to interop
  33. # [00:23] <plh> ... so no reason to remove
  34. # [00:23] <plh> .., outline algo is supported by outside tools, so no good reason to drop it
  35. # [00:24] <plh> [Paul goes through the full list to double check]
  36. # [00:24] <rubys> q+
  37. # [00:24] * Zakim sees rubys on the speaker queue
  38. # [00:24] <rubys> http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2013/10/html5-document-outline/
  39. # [00:25] <plh> ack rubys
  40. # [00:25] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  41. # [00:25] <plh> Sam: Steve Faulkner thinks outline should be removed...
  42. # [00:25] <plh> ... can we close the loop with him?
  43. # [00:25] <plh> Ted & Mike: sure
  44. # [00:26] <plh> Paul: we should update the bug with the list btw, to make sure people see this
  45. # [00:27] <plh> [side discussion to make sure the wiki gets updated]
  46. # [00:28] <plh> Paul: how much to remove before the next heartbeat and how much for the LC?
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  48. # [00:29] <plh> Robin: I'll start removing thigs sooner rather than later. we can bring this back easily if needed
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  50. # [00:30] <plh> ... so the heartbeat will have the stuff removed
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  53. # [00:31] <darobin> ACTION: Robin to produce a heartbeat with feature removals and at risk items taken into account
  54. # [00:31] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  55. # [00:31] * RRSAgent records action 8
  56. # [00:31] <trackbot> Created ACTION-246 - Produce a heartbeat with feature removals and at risk items taken into account [on Robin Berjon - due 2014-04-16].
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  58. # [00:31] <plh> Paul: where do we stand on the test results?
  59. # [00:32] <plh> Robin: still the same
  60. # [00:32] <darobin> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tests-cr-exit/
  61. # [00:32] <plh> ... testing coverage ...
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  64. # [00:33] <plh> Robin: we might need to revisit the cr page
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  66. # [00:33] * MarkS crowd source testing
  67. # [00:34] <plh> Paul: if we don't test them, only two ways to move forward: passive permissive, drop the feature, or tell the director to hold his nose
  68. # [00:34] <plh> Robin: section 5 is important
  69. # [00:35] <MarkS> s/source/fund
  70. # [00:36] <plh> Robin: I'm worried about section 5
  71. # [00:36] <plh> ... it's quite possible that some of those subsections are not testable.
  72. # [00:37] <plh> ACTION: Robin to go through section 5 to check which section is testable or not
  73. # [00:37] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  74. # [00:37] * RRSAgent records action 9
  75. # [00:37] <trackbot> Created ACTION-247 - Go through section 5 to check which section is testable or not [on Robin Berjon - due 2014-04-16].
  76. # [00:37] <plh> Kris: it will be difficult to test section 5
  77. # [00:38] <plh> ACTION: Kris to triage section 5 into hard and easy tests
  78. # [00:38] * RRSAgent records action 10
  79. # [00:38] * trackbot is creating a new ACTION.
  80. # [00:38] <trackbot> Created ACTION-248 - Triage section 5 into hard and easy tests [on Kris Krueger - due 2014-04-16].
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  82. # [00:38] <plh> close action-247
  83. # [00:38] * trackbot is closing action-247.
  84. # [00:38] <trackbot> Closed action-247.
  85. # [00:39] <plh> Kris: I'll come back with the list in 2 weeks
  86. # [00:40] * JohnJansen kris, i can help as well
  87. # [00:41] <krisk> * thanks johnjan
  88. # [00:42] <JohnJansen> plh, did you just ask me something on the phone? my reception is not great...
  89. # [00:42] * plh nope
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  92. # [00:42] <plh> Plh: are we missing anything in our list of features at risk?
  93. # [00:43] <plh> [none heard]
  94. # [00:44] <plh> Paul: would be useful to have a plan for a plan in 10 days
  95. # [00:46] <plh> [...]
  96. # [00:46] <plh> Paul: are we done for today?
  97. # [00:46] <plh> ... looks like it
  98. # [00:47] <plh> ... we'll be back in Santa Clara in November again
  99. # [00:47] <plh> ... we'll put the new work mode in actio right away
  100. # [00:47] <plh> s/actio/action/
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  105. # [00:54] * darobin krisk: https://github.com/w3c/html-cr-exit
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  109. # [01:18] <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
  110. # [01:18] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/04/09-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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  112. # [01:18] <darobin> MarkS: the test is in html/semantics/embedded-content/media-elements/interfaces/TextTrack/oncuechange.html
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  258. # [20:04] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] darobin pushed 1 new commit to CR: https://github.com/w3c/html/commit/0b4a480357b9b2674545271e05829c8eb1557512
  259. # [20:04] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/CR 0b4a480 Robin Berjon: make IDL conformance match reality for the time being
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The end :)