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  126. # [14:58] <SteveF> darobin: my man, is there anything that can be done about the FOUC when loading a spec that uses respec?
  127. # [14:59] <darobin> SteveF: it doesn't annoy me as much as it annoys other people
  128. # [14:59] <darobin> something could indeed be done, but it would involve rewriting the way ReSpec works
  129. # [14:59] <darobin> not impossible, and I wouldn't necessarily be against it
  130. # [14:59] <SteveF> OK get back to me when done, you have 2 weeks...
  131. # [15:00] <darobin> you'd have to put the code that selects the CSS as early as possible in the pipeline and have it basically document.write it right there
  132. # [15:00] <darobin> lol
  133. # [15:00] <darobin> also, remove async on the loading <script>
  134. # [15:00] <darobin> mmmmm
  135. # [15:00] <SteveF> would it? web compenents have the same issue and they use a CSS transition to smooth it out
  136. # [15:00] <darobin> I'm not sure that'd be enough, but it would at least be the start
  137. # [15:00] <SteveF> components even
  138. # [15:01] <darobin> ah, yes, that's another option: hide the body and transition things in when the CSS becomes available
  139. # [15:01] <SteveF> see zimple
  140. # [15:01] <darobin> in fact v1 used to hide the body as the first thing it did, not for the FOUC but because back then in Gecko doing lots of manipulation on text nodes that were rendered was horribly slow
  141. # [15:01] <darobin> we could have the same
  142. # [15:02] <darobin> SteveF: I don't have the time to look at that right this second; do you mind opening an issue on this?
  143. # [15:02] <SteveF> btw did you see that the headings are going back to headings?
  144. # [15:02] <SteveF> sure its not urgent, just a random question
  145. # [15:03] <SteveF> darobin: https://github.com/darobin/respec/pull/325 pullit
  146. # [15:04] <darobin> SteveF: that's too big a change for me to just pick it, I need to review it (which I can't do this second)
  147. # [15:04] <darobin> I'm trying to pass maintenance for ReSpec on to someone else; it should happen soonish
  148. # [15:04] <darobin> so that things will happen faster
  149. # [15:05] <SteveF> sure no problem, go have a lie down
  150. # [15:05] <SteveF> ;-)
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  152. # [15:06] <SteveF> issue on fouc filed
  153. # [15:06] * trackbot doesn't understand that ISSUE command.
  154. # [15:06] <SteveF> tarckbot: bugger off
  155. # [15:06] <darobin> lol
  156. # [15:06] <darobin> thanks
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  168. # [17:55] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
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  172. # [17:55] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  173. # [17:55] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  175. # [17:55] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  176. # [17:55] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
  177. # [17:55] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  178. # [17:55] <trackbot> Date: 17 July 2014
  179. # [17:55] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  180. # [17:55] <Zakim> +Sam
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  183. # [17:56] <Zakim> +??P2
  184. # [17:56] <janina__> zakim, ??P2 is me
  185. # [17:56] <Zakim> +janina__; got it
  186. # [17:56] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JulSep/0006.html
  187. # [17:56] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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  189. # [17:57] <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft is me
  190. # [17:57] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  191. # [17:57] <paulc> trackbot, start meeting
  192. # [17:57] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
  193. # [17:57] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  194. # [17:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
  195. # [17:57] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  196. # [17:57] <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
  197. # [17:57] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  198. # [17:57] <trackbot> Date: 17 July 2014
  199. # [17:57] <Zakim> + +1.425.869.aaaa
  200. # [17:57] <paulc> zakim, what is the meeting code?
  201. # [17:57] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, paulc.
  202. # [17:57] <jaymunro> zakim, aaaa is me
  203. # [17:57] <Zakim> +jaymunro; got it
  204. # [17:57] <paulc> zakim, meeting code?
  205. # [17:57] <Zakim> I don't understand your question, paulc.
  206. # [17:57] <janina__> code?
  207. # [17:57] <janina__> zakim, code?
  208. # [17:57] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), janina__
  209. # [17:58] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  210. # [17:58] <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
  211. # [17:58] <Zakim> On the phone I see Sam, ShaneM, janina__, Eliot, jaymunro, [Microsoft]
  212. # [17:58] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  213. # [17:58] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  214. # [17:59] <Zakim> +glenn
  215. # [18:00] * ShaneM is muted
  216. # [18:00] <paulc> scribenick: paulc
  217. # [18:01] <rubys> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JulSep/0006.html
  218. # [18:01] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JulSep/0006.html
  219. # [18:01] <paulc> Topic: ACTION items due by Thursday, July 17
  220. # [18:01] <paulc> None.
  221. # [18:01] <paulc> Topic: Decisions this week
  222. # [18:02] <paulc> WG decision to publish <picture> as a WG Note
  223. # [18:02] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jul/0011.html
  224. # [18:02] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jul/0030.html
  225. # [18:02] <paulc> May hold this up to get srcset WG Note before the WG
  226. # [18:02] <paulc> Topic: New Calls this week
  227. # [18:03] <paulc> CfC: Request transition of HTML5 to Candidate Recommendation
  228. # [18:03] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jul/0012.html
  229. # [18:03] <paulc> Some discussion about whether a TR page document should have been published instead of using a candidate draft.
  230. # [18:04] <paulc> Shane: Should the Acknowledgement section say anything about Microdata development especially since it is no longer in the spec.
  231. # [18:04] <paulc> Paul: Didn't Microdata move off the Rec track.
  232. # [18:05] <paulc> Sam: We previously asked that this material be removed.
  233. # [18:05] <paulc> Sam: Shane: Please open a bug if you want about this.
  234. # [18:05] <paulc> Topic: Testing Task Force
  235. # [18:05] <paulc> No new news.
  236. # [18:06] <paulc> Topic: Accessibility Task Force
  237. # [18:06] <paulc> janina: using Alt in HTML5 publication has been held up since the Status section is inappropriate for a WG Note. It represented itself as an Editors draft.
  238. # [18:07] <paulc> Janina: The TF facilitators are going to fix this text before the publication.
  239. # [18:08] <paulc> Janina: No new CfCs are required. Just fixing the STOD.
  240. # [18:08] <paulc> ... 2nd item was status of longdesc
  241. # [18:09] * ShaneM notes bug opened at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26371
  242. # [18:09] * rubys thanks ShaneM!
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  244. # [18:11] <paulc_> scribenick: paulc_
  245. # [18:11] <paulc_> ... janina is working on a response to the objection received on the TF CfC
  246. # [18:11] <paulc_> ... TF also discussed access keys and date pickers today
  247. # [18:11] <paulc_> ... possible work on an exstension spec on access keys
  248. # [18:12] <rubys> s/exstension/extension/
  249. # [18:12] <paulc_> Topic: Media Task Force
  250. # [18:12] <paulc_> Paul: MSE heartbeat will be published today (not yet visible on TR page)
  251. # [18:13] <paulc_> ... EME is down to 21 bugs and summer vacations caused this week's TF meeting to be cancelled
  252. # [18:13] <paulc_> ... TF has a EME use case Wiki that came out of the april f2f that needs to be reviewed
  253. # [18:14] <paulc_> ... Media TF will meet next week to discuss new MSE bugs, MSE test cases and EME bugs
  254. # [18:14] <paulc_> ... TF will likely meet every 2 weeks over the summer
  255. # [18:15] <paulc_> Topic: Any other business
  256. # [18:15] <paulc_> DOME 4 call for exclusions
  257. # [18:15] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Jul/0006.html
  258. # [18:15] <paulc_> s/DOME 4/DOM4/
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  260. # [18:15] <paulc_> HTML5 CR schedule
  261. # [18:16] <paulc_> Looks like the CR schedule will end about the end of Aug (assuming current transition CfC passes)
  262. # [18:16] <paulc_> If we exit HTML5 CR successfully then we would move on to PR in Sept
  263. # [18:17] <paulc_> Paul: There are features at risk in the HTML5 spec but if there is no interop proof they can be dropped before moving to PR
  264. # [18:17] <paulc_> rrsagent, generate minutes
  265. # [18:17] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-html-wg-minutes.html paulc_
  266. # [18:17] <paulc_> AOB?
  267. # [18:18] <paulc_> Shane: PF WG question: DOM4 is proceeding. PF WG has been asking for a feature for some time.
  268. # [18:18] <glenn> q+
  269. # [18:18] * Zakim sees glenn on the speaker queue
  270. # [18:19] <paulc_> ... given that DOM4 is in one WG and DOM Events is outside the WG, where does PF WG ask for this feature.
  271. # [18:19] <paulc_> paulc: So when DOM4 was moved into the HTML WG it was done to solve the Normative Reference problem
  272. # [18:19] <paulc_> ... we needed a stable DOM4 to permit HTML5 to progress
  273. # [18:20] <paulc_> ... but the email list for discussion is still www-dom@w3.org (?)
  274. # [18:20] <rubys> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/
  275. # [18:20] <paulc_> ... so I believe regardless of its status in the WG, I suggest PF WG ask their question on www-dom@w3.org
  276. # [18:21] <paulc_> ... feel free to cross post to the DOM Events list but hopefully you will get the right answer
  277. # [18:21] <rubys> ack next
  278. # [18:21] * Zakim sees glenn at the head of the speaker queue
  279. # [18:21] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  280. # [18:21] <paulc_> Glenn: are there implementations of the feature.
  281. # [18:22] <paulc_> Shane: The feature request being able to enumerate events
  282. # [18:22] <glenn> that should read "enumerate event listeners"
  283. # [18:22] <paulc_> Shane: There are hidden implementations of the ability enuerate but not a public interace or standard
  284. # [18:23] <paulc_> s/enuerate/enumerate/
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  286. # [18:23] <rubys> s/interace/interface/
  287. # [18:23] <glenn> ack glenn
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  289. # [18:23] <paulc_> Shane: Not currently exposes but it would be super useful for some PF WG use cases
  290. # [18:23] <paulc_> s/exposes/exposed/
  291. # [18:24] <paulc_> Shane: Original historical request for this enumeration ability occurred as early as 1999
  292. # [18:24] <paulc_> Janina: Original use case was testing
  293. # [18:24] <paulc_> Glenn: Perhaps being able to enumerate event listeners that have been added is another use case
  294. # [18:24] <paulc_> Sam: Any other AOB
  295. # [18:25] <paulc_> rrsagent, generate minutes
  296. # [18:25] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-html-wg-minutes.html paulc_
  297. # [18:25] <paulc_> Topic: Chair and Scribe for next week
  298. # [18:25] <paulc_> Paul will Chair next week.
  299. # [18:25] <paulc_> Shane volunteered to scribe next week.
  300. # [18:25] <paulc_> Topic: Adjournment
  301. # [18:25] <Zakim> -jaymunro
  302. # [18:25] <Zakim> -Sam
  303. # [18:25] <paulc_> We are adjourned.
  304. # [18:25] <Zakim> -janina__
  305. # [18:25] <Zakim> -Eliot
  306. # [18:25] <Zakim> -ShaneM
  307. # [18:25] <paulc_> rrsagent, generate minutes
  308. # [18:25] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-html-wg-minutes.html paulc_
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  310. # [18:25] <glenn> s/been added/been added by injected code, e.g., add-ons and extensions/
  311. # [18:26] <glenn> rrsagent, generate minutes
  312. # [18:26] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/17-html-wg-minutes.html glenn
  313. # [18:28] <Zakim> -glenn
  314. # [18:28] <Zakim> -paulc
  315. # [18:28] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  316. # [18:28] <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, ShaneM, janina__, Eliot, +1.425.869.aaaa, jaymunro, paulc, glenn
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  339. # [21:16] -gitbot:#html-wg- html-tools/master 47b95f8 Michael[tm] Smith: Updated Previous Version for 2dcontext L2.
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