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  9. # [00:38] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] darobin pushed 3 new commits to whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/373a4081f76a...e8857aaa3420
  10. # [00:38] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/whatwg fd90b03 Ian Hickson: [e] (0) Try to clarify that a control's 'value' isn't what the user has entered, necessarily....
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  19. # [01:38] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] darobin pushed 3 new commits to whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/e8857aaa3420...d1790fce20c3
  20. # [01:38] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/whatwg 2d8bdcc Ian Hickson: [e] (0) Update to ref FontFace instead of FontLoader...
  21. # [01:38] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/whatwg 120b555 Ian Hickson: [e] (0) Add a sandboxing flag for use by fetch...
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  78. # [10:45] -gitbot:#html-wg- [syntax] sideshowbarker pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/validator/syntax/commit/acfd912367473d1af977a1340a5d17f4591d5c51
  79. # [10:45] -gitbot:#html-wg- syntax/master acfd912 Michael[tm] Smith: Allow aria-sort for role-less <th>.
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  81. # [10:51] <MikeSmith> SteveF: ↑
  82. # [10:51] <MikeSmith> and pushed to http://qa-dev.w3.org:8888
  83. # [10:52] <SteveF> MikeSmith - thanks will test
  84. # [10:53] <MikeSmith> I'm waiting to push to the w3c validator until Henri can also re-redeploy validator.nu with a fix for a <picture> bug
  85. # [12:09] <SteveF> ok
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  92. # [13:50] <MikeSmith> SteveF: you around? I'm trying to figure out what I need to do for https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26267
  93. # [13:51] <MikeSmith> "role=grid without child role=rowgroup or row not flagged as an error" doesn't seemm like the right description
  94. # [13:51] <MikeSmith> the ARIA spec doesn't say anything about required children for role=grid, as far as I can see
  95. # [13:52] <SteveF> mikesmith: will take a look and get back to you am firefighting elsehwere at mo ;-)
  96. # [13:52] <MikeSmith> instead, it says role=gridcell elements must have a rol=row ancestor
  97. # [13:52] <MikeSmith> ok
  98. # [13:53] <MikeSmith> no rush
  99. # [13:54] <SteveF> MikeSmith: grid Required Owned Elements:
  100. # [13:54] <SteveF> row
  101. # [13:54] <SteveF> rowgroup → row
  102. # [13:56] <MikeSmith> actually it says role=row must be owned by a rowgroup, grid or treegrid
  103. # [13:59] <MikeSmith> the ARIA spec is such a fucking mess
  104. # [14:00] <MikeSmith> why the fuck are requirements for role=gridcell in the section for role=grid
  105. # [14:01] <MikeSmith> seriously everybody involved in creating the ARIA spec should be ashamed of themselves
  106. # [14:04] <MikeSmith> every goddamn time I have to go in and read this thing I find some other case complete back-asswardness that I have to try to mentally unwind
  107. # [14:05] <MikeSmith> jesus
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  110. # [14:11] <MikeSmith> SteveF: as far as your file at http://stevefaulkner.github.io/html-mapping-tests/aria-tests/grid.html the ARIA spec doesn't define "role=grid with no rows or rowgroups inside" as invalid
  111. # [14:11] <MikeSmith> as far as I can tell
  112. # [14:13] <MikeSmith> I believe the validator is already correctly checking all the "must be owned by" requirements in the ARIA spec
  113. # [14:14] <MikeSmith> SteveF: "Note: A role that has 'required owned elements' does not imply the reverse relationship. While processing of a role may be incomplete without elements of given roles present as descendants, elements with roles in this list do not always have to be found within elements of the given role."
  114. # [14:15] <SteveF> MikeSmith: seems silly but will follow up with the gods of ARIA for clarification
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  118. # [14:29] <SteveF> MIkeSmith: think what is required is either row descendent or <grid aria-owns-"rodID">
  119. # [14:32] <MikeSmith> SteveF: I can't find any requirement in the ARIA spec saying that
  120. # [14:33] <SteveF> MikeSmith: as i said will find out
  121. # [14:33] <MikeSmith> hai
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  180. # [21:40] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] darobin pushed 4 new commits to whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/d1790fce20c3...2952a2d72d9b
  181. # [21:40] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/whatwg 5112881 Ian Hickson: [] (0) Updating <img>/<picture> section with upstream changes...
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  203. # [22:39] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] darobin pushed 2 new commits to whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/2952a2d72d9b...3fb4ea7af9b3
  204. # [22:39] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/whatwg d970aca Ian Hickson: [e] (0) Use the 'target override' where appropriate...
  205. # [22:39] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/whatwg 3fb4ea7 Robin Berjon: Merge remote branch 'origin/master' into whatwg
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