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  7. # [00:40] -gitbot:#html-wg- [html] darobin pushed 5 new commits to whatwg: https://github.com/w3c/html/compare/b48e7b152a0a...eeccbfcf33f8
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  17. # [01:40] -gitbot:#html-wg- html/whatwg 40c18d7 Ian Hickson: [giow] (0) Allow TimeRanges to contain 'empty' ranges (not really empty, they contain one moment in time). Add some text admonishing implementations that don't allow one to seek arbitrarily when it's actually possible just inconvenient or slow....
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  85. # [17:57] <rubys> trackbot, start meeting
  86. # [17:57] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  88. # [17:57] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-html-wg-irc
  89. # [17:57] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  90. # [17:57] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  92. # [17:57] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  93. # [17:57] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
  94. # [17:57] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  95. # [17:58] <trackbot> Date: 25 September 2014
  96. # [17:58] <paulc> Sam: I am on a very weak hotel wireless signal that makes listening and thus scribing very hard.
  97. # [17:58] <paulc> Sam: I am hoping plh can scribe as he offered.
  98. # [17:58] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  99. # [17:58] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  100. # [17:58] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  101. # [17:58] <Zakim> +Plh
  102. # [17:58] <plh> scribe: plh
  103. # [17:58] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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  105. # [17:58] <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
  106. # [17:58] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
  107. # [17:58] <Eliot> Zakim, Microsoft has me
  108. # [17:58] <Zakim> +Eliot; got it
  109. # [17:58] <Zakim> +Sam
  110. # [17:58] <Zakim> +??P13
  111. # [17:59] <janina> zakim, ??P13 is me
  112. # [17:59] <Zakim> +janina; got it
  113. # [17:59] <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
  114. # [17:59] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
  115. # [17:59] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  116. # [17:59] <plh> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014JulSep/0027.html
  117. # [18:00] <plh> agenda+ ACTION items
  118. # [18:00] <plh> agenda+ Items Closing This Week
  119. # [18:00] <plh> agenda+ Task Force Reports
  120. # [18:00] <plh> agenda+ Other Business
  121. # [18:00] <plh> agenda+ Next meeting
  122. # [18:00] * Zakim notes agendum 1 added
  123. # [18:00] * Zakim notes agendum 2 added
  124. # [18:00] * Zakim notes agendum 3 added
  125. # [18:00] * Zakim notes agendum 4 added
  126. # [18:00] * Zakim notes agendum 5 added
  127. # [18:00] <Zakim> +ShaneM
  128. # [18:00] * ShaneM is muted
  129. # [18:01] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  130. # [18:01] <Zakim> agendum 1. "ACTION items" taken up [from plh]
  131. # [18:01] <plh> Sam: none
  132. # [18:01] <plh> zakim, close agendum 1
  133. # [18:01] <Zakim> agendum 1, ACTION items, closed
  134. # [18:01] <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  135. # [18:01] <Zakim> 2. Items Closing This Week [from plh]
  136. # [18:01] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  137. # [18:01] <Zakim> agendum 2. "Items Closing This Week" taken up [from plh]
  138. # [18:02] <plh> Sam: None
  139. # [18:02] <plh> zakim, close agendum 2
  140. # [18:02] <Zakim> agendum 2, Items Closing This Week, closed
  141. # [18:02] <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
  142. # [18:02] <Zakim> 3. Task Force Reports [from plh]
  143. # [18:02] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  144. # [18:02] <Zakim> agendum 3. "Task Force Reports" taken up [from plh]
  145. # [18:02] <plh> Sam: a11y tf?
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  147. # [18:02] <plh> Janina: waiting on a decision from the Director on longdesc
  148. # [18:02] <plh> ... discussion on the alt document
  149. # [18:03] <plh> ... if the decision goes our way, we would rather publish a hearbeat but not a final one
  150. # [18:03] <plh> ... to do more editing on it
  151. # [18:03] <plh> ... so changes in the expected status
  152. # [18:03] * tantek_ good morning HTMLWG!
  153. # [18:03] <plh> ... we'll need the approval from PF on the heartbeat
  154. # [18:03] * plh waves back
  155. # [18:04] <tantek_> supports publishing heartbeat.
  156. # [18:04] <plh> Janina: also some discussion around footnotes in HTML.next
  157. # [18:04] <plh> ... to make it a more robust experience for users
  158. # [18:04] <plh> ... looking at the use cases out of the digital publishing
  159. # [18:04] <plh> ... and bank requirements
  160. # [18:05] <plh> ... so potential item for the f2f
  161. # [18:05] <plh> ... with the dig pub folks
  162. # [18:05] <plh> q+
  163. # [18:05] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  164. # [18:05] <plh> ... to look at the concerns and use cases
  165. # [18:05] <plh> ack plh
  166. # [18:05] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  167. # [18:06] <plh> plh: CSS is also interested in the topic
  168. # [18:06] <plh> ... make sure David Cramer at the minimum is in the room
  169. # [18:07] <plh> Janina: ok
  170. # [18:07] <plh> Sam: media tf?
  171. # [18:07] <plh> Paul: continues to work on EME and MSE CR
  172. # [18:07] <plh> ... not a lot of progress to report
  173. # [18:07] <plh> ... around 20 EME bugs
  174. # [18:07] <plh> ... small progress
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  176. # [18:08] <plh> Plh: progress on the test suite on MSE?
  177. # [18:08] <plh> Paul: no recent progress. expect to have an update in October
  178. # [18:08] <plh> ... getting people attention in my company is difficult
  179. # [18:09] <plh> Plh: it's a general problem
  180. # [18:09] <plh> Paul: agreed. transition from spec writers to testers isn't happening as much
  181. # [18:10] <plh> Sam: some OS projects won't accept patches without tests
  182. # [18:10] <plh> Paul: could be considered hostile to push for that
  183. # [18:11] <Zakim> +??P2
  184. # [18:11] <tantek> Zakim, ??P2 is tantek
  185. # [18:11] <Zakim> +tantek; got it
  186. # [18:11] <tantek> Zakim, mute me
  187. # [18:11] <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
  188. # [18:11] <plh> Paul: I'm in the process the media task force their plans for the f2f meeting
  189. # [18:11] <plh> ... some opportunities for joint meeting between svg, pf, css, html
  190. # [18:12] <plh> ... so need for more progress for the logitics
  191. # [18:12] <tantek> regrets for TPAC HTMLWG f2f - will be in AB/AC meeting. Will try to monitor on IRC.
  192. # [18:12] <plh> Sam: canvas tf?
  193. # [18:12] <plh> ... next meeting is tomorrow
  194. # [18:13] <plh> Paul: Mark reported that Rich has a wiki for test cases
  195. # [18:13] <plh> ... is that new?
  196. # [18:13] <plh> Sam: was done 3 weeks ago. will send a link.
  197. # [18:13] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  198. # [18:13] <Zakim> agendum 4. "Other Business" taken up [from plh]
  199. # [18:13] <plh> Sam: DOM4?
  200. # [18:13] <tantek> re: other business - I can add http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Sep/0061.html
  201. # [18:14] <tantek> or rather, *may* I add
  202. # [18:14] <plh> PLh: Robin is looked at https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1227
  203. # [18:14] <plh> ... not done yet
  204. # [18:14] <plh> ... reviweed treewalker tests: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1235
  205. # [18:14] <rubys> tantek, sure. after 4c
  206. # [18:15] <plh> ... spec got modified following one of my comment
  207. # [18:15] <plh> ... not substantive
  208. # [18:15] <plh> ... hope to be done by end of this week
  209. # [18:16] <plh> Sam: longdesc cr. already covered
  210. # [18:16] <plh> Sam: HTML WG f2f and TPAC
  211. # [18:16] <plh> ... see agenda in the wiki
  212. # [18:16] <plh> ... more work is needed
  213. # [18:16] <plh> Sam: anything else?
  214. # [18:17] <tantek> zakim, unmute me
  215. # [18:17] <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
  216. # [18:17] <plh> Tantek: link to dated snapshot of WHATWG URL http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2014Sep/0061.html
  217. # [18:17] <plh> ... believe it would satisfy the requirements
  218. # [18:17] <plh> ... without having to do a copy in webapps
  219. # [18:17] <plh> ... think it's a reasonnable compromise
  220. # [18:18] <plh> ... interested in making it happened
  221. # [18:18] <plh> ... that's my proposal
  222. # [18:18] <plh> Sam: comments on the title used
  223. # [18:18] <plh> Tantek: didn't catch the source
  224. # [18:18] <paulc> q+
  225. # [18:18] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  226. # [18:18] <plh> ... will look into it to use a short title
  227. # [18:19] <plh> ack paulc
  228. # [18:19] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  229. # [18:19] <tantek> plh: source: https://whatwg.org/specs/url/2014-07-30/
  230. # [18:19] <plh> Paul: looking for guidance: the Director looked at this and didn't pick that choice
  231. # [18:19] <plh> ... the doc is in the AC now
  232. # [18:20] <plh> ... not sure the html wg has control
  233. # [18:20] <plh> Tantek: wanted to get input from the html wg
  234. # [18:20] <plh> Paul: agreed...
  235. # [18:21] <plh> Sam: at the moment, the response is mixed
  236. # [18:21] <plh> ... but keep trying to resolve it
  237. # [18:21] <plh> ... I don't think we'll get consensus at the group level
  238. # [18:21] <plh> ... seems like a w3c level issue
  239. # [18:22] <paulc> q+
  240. # [18:22] * Zakim sees paulc on the speaker queue
  241. # [18:22] <plh> Tantek: the announcement of the PR was mentioning the change, thus my email
  242. # [18:22] <plh> ack paul
  243. # [18:22] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  244. # [18:22] <plh> Paul: yes, but the responsibility for producing a spec for URL is in webapps
  245. # [18:22] <plh> ... in the PR, getting that doc updated is in the hand
  246. # [18:22] * Zakim plh, you typed too many words without commas; I suspect you forgot to start with 'to ...'
  247. # [18:23] * rubys chuckles at zakim
  248. # [18:23] <plh> ... the AC decided on the advice of the team to put that in webapps
  249. # [18:23] <plh> Tantek: sure, but I'm commenting on the reference
  250. # [18:23] <plh> Paul: ok, but the CR didn't have it the reference
  251. # [18:23] <plh> ... the PR points to /TR/url/
  252. # [18:24] <plh> ... it says "we're expecting that ref to be updated"
  253. # [18:24] <plh> ... so webapps would update that
  254. # [18:24] <plh> Tantek: yes, but I'm asking a different link
  255. # [18:25] <plh> http://w3c.github.io/test-results/url/less-than-2.html
  256. # [18:25] <paulc> plh: One of the items that I did was to run the URL test suite
  257. # [18:25] <plh> http://w3c.github.io/test-results/url/all.html
  258. # [18:25] <paulc> ... Safari results are generated but not yet in these results
  259. # [18:25] <paulc> ... I have to say that the results of the test suite is pretty disappointing
  260. # [18:26] <paulc> ... Whatever we reference is sub-optimal from a technical position. The problem is more poltical.
  261. # [18:27] <plh> Sam: if Tantek query would have come up with consensus, that would be useful input to w3c
  262. # [18:27] <plh> ... and the discussion isn't over
  263. # [18:28] <plh> ... so don't stop having the discussion with other groups as well (AC, webapps)
  264. # [18:28] <plh> Paul: and the TAG
  265. # [18:29] <rubys> http://www.w3.org/2014/06/webapps-charter.html "The WebApps WG will ask the Technical Architecture Group to
  266. # [18:29] <rubys> review some set of its specifications and will help, through a
  267. # [18:29] <rubys> joint task force, the development of the URL specification
  268. # [18:29] <rubys> and the Packaging on the Web specification."
  269. # [18:31] <tantek> Zakim, mute me
  270. # [18:31] <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
  271. # [18:31] <plh> Plh: is the thread on after 5 going anywhere?
  272. # [18:31] <plh> Sam: not clear yet
  273. # [18:33] <plh> Plh: part of the problem on after 5 is where to we want to be a year from now between html 5.0, and future
  274. # [18:34] <plh> ... we're about to publish a rec that won't be changed
  275. # [18:34] <plh> ... so I asked Robin to try to be get it right
  276. # [18:34] <plh> ... including for search engines
  277. # [18:35] <plh> Paul: are you following some principles?
  278. # [18:35] <Eliot> Need to drop off. Apologies.
  279. # [18:35] <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
  280. # [18:35] <plh> PlH; no, just trying not to miss an opportunity
  281. # [18:36] <ShaneM> q+ to ask about shortnames
  282. # [18:36] * Zakim sees ShaneM on the speaker queue
  283. # [18:37] <plh> Plh: from the point of view of search engines, what should I get if I type html or html5?
  284. # [18:37] <plh> Sam: depends on the audience
  285. # [18:37] <plh> ack shane
  286. # [18:37] <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about shortnames
  287. # [18:37] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  288. # [18:38] <rubys> more background on the audience comment: some want the latest/experimental version; others want a stable/proven version
  289. # [18:39] <plh> shane: it's not a new pb. shouldn't we have a general solution?
  290. # [18:39] <plh> plh: we'd like one but don't have one yet
  291. # [18:41] <plh> paul: is there enough additional aspect today that were touched on in the thread?
  292. # [18:41] <plh> ... maybe this should be a separate thread
  293. # [18:42] <plh> plh: will look into creating a separate one potentially
  294. # [18:42] <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
  295. # [18:42] <Zakim> agendum 5. "Next meeting" taken up [from plh]
  296. # [18:42] <plh> Sam: scribe?
  297. # [18:43] <plh> ... Paul will chair
  298. # [18:43] <plh> Shane: I'll scribe
  299. # [18:43] <plh> [adjourned]
  300. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Plh
  301. # [18:43] <tantek> zakim, unmute me
  302. # [18:43] <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
  303. # [18:43] <Zakim> -Sam
  304. # [18:43] <Zakim> -janina
  305. # [18:43] <Zakim> -ShaneM
  306. # [18:43] <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
  307. # [18:43] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/25-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
  308. # [18:43] <Zakim> -tantek
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  310. # [18:44] <Zakim> -paulc
  311. # [18:44] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  312. # [18:44] <Zakim> Attendees were Plh, Eliot, Sam, janina, [Microsoft], paulc, ShaneM, tantek
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