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  64. # [17:48] <plh> I'm likely to be late for the html call
  65. # [17:48] <plh> 5 or 10 minutes max
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  69. # [17:50] <paulc_> trackbot, start meeting
  70. # [17:50] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  72. # [17:50] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-html-wg-irc
  73. # [17:50] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  74. # [17:50] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  76. # [17:50] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  77. # [17:50] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
  78. # [17:51] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  79. # [17:51] <trackbot> Date: 18 December 2014
  80. # [17:51] * ShaneM notes there are MIT network issues so this might be futile
  81. # [17:53] * plh notes to paul that he'll be 10 minutes late or so, sorry
  82. # [17:54] <paulc_> is aware of the MIT network issues
  83. # [17:55] <paulc_> ... but I can now access the w3c.org home page which I could not do 10 mins ago
  84. # [17:57] <paulc_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014OctDec/0014.html
  85. # [17:58] <paulc_> zakim, what is the code?
  86. # [17:58] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc_
  87. # [17:58] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
  88. # [17:58] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  89. # [17:58] <paulc_> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  90. # [17:58] <Zakim> +paulc_; got it
  91. # [17:59] <paulc_> zakim, who is here?
  92. # [17:59] <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc_
  93. # [17:59] <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, SteveF, paulc_, IanPouncey, thinkxl, anssik, plh, danbri, darobin, ShaneM, [Beta], gavin, MarkS, panzana`, gsnedders, mihnea_____, mattur, nikos, stryx`,
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  95. # [17:59] <Zakim> ... jgraham, pdr, krit, Philip, jmb, Hixie, logbot, xiaoqian, wseltzer, trackbot
  96. # [18:00] <Zakim> +ShaneM
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  98. # [18:01] <Zakim> +??P12
  99. # [18:01] <janina> zakim, ??P12 is me
  100. # [18:01] <Zakim> +janina; got it
  101. # [18:02] * plh zakim, call plh-mobile
  102. # [18:02] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  103. # [18:02] <Zakim> +Plh
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  105. # [18:03] <Zakim> +Sam
  106. # [18:03] <paulc_> zakim, who is on the phone?
  107. # [18:03] <Zakim> On the phone I see paulc_, ShaneM, janina, Plh, Sam
  108. # [18:03] <plh> scribe: plh
  109. # [18:03] <paulc_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2014OctDec/0014.html
  110. # [18:04] <paulc_> Chair: paulc_
  111. # [18:04] * plh zakim, mute me
  112. # [18:04] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  113. # [18:04] <plh> Topic: action items due today
  114. # [18:04] <plh> action-249?
  115. # [18:04] * trackbot is looking up action-249.
  116. # [18:04] <trackbot> action-249 -- Robin Berjon to Triage new whatwg updates, html bugs, landscape document in order to list priority content for modules -- due 2014-11-25 -- OPEN
  117. # [18:04] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/249
  118. # [18:04] <plh> Paul: Robin met with the chairs and provided an update in the action
  119. # [18:05] * darobin coming
  120. # [18:05] <plh> ... early january is more likely
  121. # [18:05] <plh> action-251?
  122. # [18:05] * trackbot is looking up action-251.
  123. # [18:05] <trackbot> action-251 -- Sam Ruby to Contact public identifiers and form http extension proponents to ask what they plan to do w/ the specs -- due 2014-11-27 -- OPEN
  124. # [18:05] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/251
  125. # [18:05] <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
  126. # [18:05] <plh> Paul: sam contacted the authors
  127. # [18:05] <darobin> Zakim, [ is me
  128. # [18:05] <Zakim> +darobin; got it
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  130. # [18:05] <plh> ... last update was a week ago
  131. # [18:06] <plh> ... anything left to do?
  132. # [18:06] <plh> sam: I did what was asked but further tasks need to be done
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  134. # [18:06] <plh> close action-251
  135. # [18:06] * trackbot is closing action-251.
  136. # [18:06] <trackbot> Closed action-251.
  137. # [18:06] <plh> action-252?
  138. # [18:06] * trackbot is looking up action-252.
  139. # [18:06] <trackbot> action-252 -- Sam Ruby to - contact polyglot proponents to ask what they plan to do w/ the spec -- due 2014-11-27 -- OPEN
  140. # [18:06] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/252
  141. # [18:06] <plh> Sam: I like to declare defeat on that one
  142. # [18:07] <plh> Paul: declined the IE invitation
  143. # [18:07] <plh> ... we'll take this back in early January
  144. # [18:07] <plh> action-254?
  145. # [18:07] * trackbot is looking up action-254.
  146. # [18:07] <trackbot> action-254 -- Robin Berjon to Triage and prioritise DOM bugs based on incompatible tests (+XMLDocument#load) -- due 2014-12-19 -- OPEN
  147. # [18:07] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/254
  148. # [18:07] <plh> Robin: still on it and still plan to finish this year
  149. # [18:08] <paulc_> rrsagent, generate the minutes
  150. # [18:08] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-html-wg-minutes.html paulc_
  151. # [18:08] <plh> paul: are you going to send a summary to the group?
  152. # [18:08] <Zakim> +??P0
  153. # [18:08] <plh> robin: it's a mixed
  154. # [18:08] <plh> ... some test fixes, bugs against the spec, etc.
  155. # [18:08] <plh> ... so we'll have to see if further subsetting is needed
  156. # [18:09] <plh> Topic: testing task force
  157. # [18:09] <paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Dec/0025.html
  158. # [18:09] <plh> Paul: team and chairs discussed and we sent out an email that the tf was dissolved
  159. # [18:09] <plh> ... did its job 5 years ago but email went dead in 2014
  160. # [18:09] <tantek> zakim, ??p0 is me
  161. # [18:09] <tantek> zakim, mute me
  162. # [18:09] <Zakim> +tantek; got it
  163. # [18:09] <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
  164. # [18:09] <plh> ... and doing testing has chaanged
  165. # [18:10] <plh> ... some +1 were received
  166. # [18:10] <tantek> zakim, agenda?
  167. # [18:10] <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
  168. # [18:10] <plh> Topic: a11 tf report
  169. # [18:10] <plh> Janina: looking at the future
  170. # [18:10] <ShaneM> q+ to mention text alternatives tentative schedule
  171. # [18:10] * Zakim sees ShaneM on the speaker queue
  172. # [18:10] <plh> ... to improve accesskey
  173. # [18:11] <plh> ... we may have common requirements with the annotation folks when pointing to elements in the page
  174. # [18:11] <plh> ... possibility a common requirement
  175. # [18:12] <plh> paul: main thing is work on access key and making it a module. he'll contact Robin for that
  176. # [18:12] <plh> ... to follow the new methodology from Robin
  177. # [18:12] <plh> Robin: sure
  178. # [18:12] <tantek> q+ to point out nav-index and previous key-equivalent CSS properties, as well as directional navigation
  179. # [18:12] * Zakim sees ShaneM, tantek on the speaker queue
  180. # [18:12] <plh> Janina: question from media subteam
  181. # [18:12] <plh> ... got late comments from bbc on the media requirements
  182. # [18:13] <plh> ... we probably ask the tf if it's ok to publish as Note
  183. # [18:13] <plh> ... is it something we should ask the wider group?
  184. # [18:13] <tantek> zakim, unmute me
  185. # [18:13] <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
  186. # [18:13] <plh> paul: you're always welcome to ask for the wider review
  187. # [18:13] <plh> q?
  188. # [18:13] * Zakim sees ShaneM, tantek on the speaker queue
  189. # [18:14] <plh> ack tantek
  190. # [18:14] <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to point out nav-index and previous key-equivalent CSS properties, as well as directional navigation
  191. # [18:14] * Zakim sees ShaneM on the speaker queue
  192. # [18:14] <plh> Tantek: since you're looking at accesskey (great news!), we have related work in css3 UI
  193. # [18:14] <plh> ... so see if there are materials there
  194. # [18:14] <tantek> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui/#nav-index
  195. # [18:14] <plh> ... we have the nav-index property
  196. # [18:15] <plh> ... and related directional-navigation property
  197. # [18:15] <tantek> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-ui/#nav-dir
  198. # [18:15] <plh> ... it's in css because it alters the display order
  199. # [18:15] <plh> ... any kind of arrow key focus needs to be aligned with the display order
  200. # [18:16] <plh> ... accesskey, we did try to develop an equivalent in the past
  201. # [18:16] <plh> ... but had a lot of issues
  202. # [18:16] <plh> ... so we postponed it
  203. # [18:16] <plh> ... it was an attempt to upgrade accesskey to work new devices and physical access
  204. # [18:16] <tantek> http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-css3-ui-20030703/#key-equivalent
  205. # [18:17] <plh> ... it was dropped in the past
  206. # [18:17] <plh> .... so feel free to look into those materials
  207. # [18:17] <plh> Janina: thanks. we also tried in PF and failed
  208. # [18:17] <plh> ... keyboard isn't enough
  209. # [18:17] <plh> ... touch and voice need to be accommodated
  210. # [18:17] <plh> ... maybe we need user defined
  211. # [18:17] <plh> ... and would need to go back to the use cases
  212. # [18:18] <plh> ... user defined target?
  213. # [18:18] <plh> Tantek: would nice to have the author make its targets accessible through different means
  214. # [18:18] <plh> ... but don't know where to start
  215. # [18:18] <plh> ... so +1 for your work
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  217. # [18:19] <ShaneM> ack ShaneM
  218. # [18:19] <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to mention text alternatives tentative schedule
  219. # [18:19] <plh> ack shane
  220. # [18:19] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  221. # [18:19] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  222. # [18:19] <plh> Shane: text alt document schedule
  223. # [18:19] <tantek> zakim, mute me
  224. # [18:19] <Zakim> tantek should now be muted
  225. # [18:19] <plh> ... we welcome bugs until january 9 and have updated draft by end of january
  226. # [18:19] <plh> Topic: media tf
  227. # [18:19] <paulc_> Media TF continues to meet weekly. A few MSE implementation bugs including the HTTPS question discussed at TPAC are still open. Some progress on MSE CR testing by Cyril. About 24 EME bugs. Next meeting is Tue Jan 6 (MSE) and then Jan 13 (EME).
  228. # [18:20] <plh> Paul: EME bugs are down 30% from TPAC
  229. # [18:20] <plh> ... HTTPS is blocking a third of the remaining bugs
  230. # [18:20] <plh> ... so slow and steady progress
  231. # [18:21] <plh> Topic: canvas tf
  232. # [18:21] <plh> Sam: all bugs have been fixed
  233. # [18:21] <rubys1> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2014OctDec/0051.html
  234. # [18:21] <plh> ... so should be able to go back to CR
  235. # [18:21] <plh> ... testing is stalled
  236. # [18:22] <plh> ... consensus is to keep the 2005 process
  237. # [18:22] * plh zakim, unmute me
  238. # [18:22] * Zakim Plh should no longer be muted
  239. # [18:22] <plh> q+
  240. # [18:22] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  241. # [18:22] <plh> paul: beyond the 2 bugs, there were additional ones
  242. # [18:22] <paulc_> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=CR%20HTML%20Canvas%202D%20Context&list_id=49384&product=HTML%20WG&query_format=advanced
  243. # [18:22] <plh> ... a search for bugs in canvas cr and I get two hits
  244. # [18:23] <plh> ... not sure if they're new or not
  245. # [18:23] <plh> q?
  246. # [18:23] * Zakim sees plh on the speaker queue
  247. # [18:23] <plh> ack plh
  248. # [18:23] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
  249. # [18:23] <paulc_> ack plh
  250. # [18:23] * Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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  252. # [18:23] * plh zakim, mute me
  253. # [18:23] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  254. # [18:23] <plh> sam: we'll go back to LC
  255. # [18:23] <plh> Topic: editing tf
  256. # [18:24] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  257. # [18:24] * Zakim sees on the phone: paulc_, ShaneM, janina, Plh (muted), Sam, darobin, tantek (muted)
  258. # [18:24] <paulc_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-editing-tf/
  259. # [18:24] <plh> Robin: editing tf has been very active
  260. # [18:24] <plh> ... looking at various aspects of the whole editing space pb
  261. # [18:24] <plh> ... contentEditable is broken and unsuable
  262. # [18:25] <plh> ... idea is to expose the functionatilities of contentEditable in more useful ways
  263. # [18:25] <plh> ... looked at libraries
  264. # [18:25] <plh> ... ck, aloha, etc.
  265. # [18:25] <plh> ... tf has been hashing a number of solutions
  266. # [18:25] <plh> ... intention event to convey the action of the user
  267. # [18:26] <plh> ... bolding, etc.
  268. # [18:26] <plh> ... some basic functions for selection
  269. # [18:26] <plh> ... all browser do that but no alignment
  270. # [18:26] <plh> ... new values for the content attribute
  271. # [18:27] <plh> ... we're near the top to be able to show things to the broader group
  272. # [18:27] <plh> ... hope to get discussion in early january
  273. # [18:27] <darobin> https://github.com/w3c/editing-explainer
  274. # [18:27] <plh> ... feel free to look at the documents
  275. # [18:28] <plh> Paul: it's *really* active
  276. # [18:28] <plh> Robin: yes indeed
  277. # [18:28] <darobin> actually this is an easier source: http://w3c.github.io/editing-explainer/
  278. # [18:28] <plh> Topic: Spring f2f update
  279. # [18:28] * plh zakim, unmute me
  280. # [18:28] * Zakim Plh should no longer be muted
  281. # [18:29] <paulc_> Possible meeting at MIT Jun 9-12 in a room in classroom style
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  283. # [18:29] <paulc_> plh: Currently working on determining conflicts
  284. # [18:29] * plh zakim, mute me
  285. # [18:29] * Zakim Plh should now be muted
  286. # [18:30] <plh> Topic: Next meeting
  287. # [18:30] <plh> Paul: January 8
  288. # [18:30] <plh> ... not sure who will chair
  289. # [18:30] <plh> ... any volunteer to scribe?
  290. # [18:30] * darobin new year of what year?
  291. # [18:31] <paulc_> rrsagent, generate the minutes
  292. # [18:31] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-html-wg-minutes.html paulc_
  293. # [18:31] <tantek> zakim, unmute me
  294. # [18:31] <Zakim> tantek should no longer be muted
  295. # [18:31] <plh> ... Happy holidays to all
  296. # [18:31] <plh> ... safe travel
  297. # [18:31] <paulc_> Happy holidays
  298. # [18:31] <Zakim> -ShaneM
  299. # [18:31] <plh> [adjourned]
  300. # [18:31] <Zakim> -paulc_
  301. # [18:31] <Zakim> -tantek
  302. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Plh
  303. # [18:31] <Zakim> -darobin
  304. # [18:31] <Zakim> -janina
  305. # [18:31] <Zakim> -Sam
  306. # [18:31] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  307. # [18:31] <Zakim> Attendees were paulc_, ShaneM, janina, Plh, Sam, [IPcaller], darobin, tantek
  308. # [18:32] <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
  309. # [18:32] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/18-html-wg-minutes.html plh
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  328. # [20:43] * Zakim excuses himself; his presence no longer seems to be needed
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  345. # Session Close: Fri Dec 19 00:00:00 2014

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