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- # Session Start: Thu May 14 00:00:00 2015
- # Session Ident: #html-wg
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- # [17:41] <Titi_Alone> Hello
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- # [17:42] <Titi_Alone> Everybody can access to Thursday's telecons?
- # [17:44] <plh> Group participants
- # [17:45] <plh> ie folks listed at https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=40318&public=1
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- # [17:48] <paulc> trackbot, start meeting
- # [17:48] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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- # [17:48] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-html-wg-irc
- # [17:48] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
- # [17:48] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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- # [17:48] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
- # [17:48] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
- # [17:48] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
- # [17:48] <trackbot> Date: 14 May 2015
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- # [17:54] <Titi_Alone> Same for mailing list?
- # [17:55] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2015AprJun/0000.html
- # [17:55] <paulc> Chair: paulc
- # [17:55] <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
- # [17:55] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
- # [17:56] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
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- # [17:56] <Zakim> +Sam
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
- # [17:56] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
- # [17:56] <Zakim> +??P5
- # [17:57] <janina> zakim, ??P5 is me
- # [17:57] <Zakim> +janina; got it
- # [17:57] <Titi_Alone> Can't call Zakim if not group participant?
- # [18:00] <paulc> Titi_Alone: This IRC channel is being used at this time for the weekly HTML WG meeting.
- # [18:00] <paulc> Titi_Alone: Do you need help?
- # [18:00] * plh zakim, call plh-work
- # [18:00] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
- # [18:00] <Zakim> +Plh
- # [18:00] <Titi_Alone> paulc: Yes, I want to know if I can hear the conference despite that I'm not a member of the group.
- # [18:01] <paulc> Titi_Alone: You should probably attempt to join the WG first.
- # [18:01] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
- # [18:01] * Zakim sees on the phone: Sam, paulc, janina, Plh
- # [18:02] <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
- # [18:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
- # [18:02] <rubys> scribenick: rubys
- # [18:03] <paulc> test
- # [18:03] * ShaneM is tied up on a call
- # [18:03] <rubys> topic: Open ACTION items
- # [18:04] <rubys> action-249?
- # [18:04] * trackbot is looking up action-249.
- # [18:04] <trackbot> action-249 -- Robin Berjon to Triage new whatwg updates, html bugs, landscape document in order to list priority content for modules -- due 2015-04-05 -- OPEN
- # [18:04] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/249
- # [18:04] <rubys> paulc: this one is nearly all done; the principle part that isn't done is triage; we are going to put that on hold until the plan is more clear
- # [18:05] <rubys> paulc: the document is in place and is picking up the (relatively few) WHATWG changes
- # [18:05] <rubys> action-252?
- # [18:05] * trackbot is looking up action-252.
- # [18:05] <trackbot> action-252 -- Sam Ruby to - contact polyglot proponents to ask what they plan to do w/ the spec -- due 2015-06-30 -- OPEN
- # [18:05] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/252
- # [18:05] <rubys> paulc: after TPAC, the chairs have attempted to contact the editors; one has left the wg, and the other is inactive; for now the chairs will put this on hold
- # [18:06] <rubys> paulc: there was a survey, which was close. We will reevaluate when rechartering
- # [18:06] <rubys> action-253?
- # [18:06] * trackbot is looking up action-253.
- # [18:06] <trackbot> action-253 -- Robin Berjon to File bugs on implementors re: html json form submission -- due 2015-05-23 -- OPEN
- # [18:06] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/253
- # [18:06] <rubys> paulc: due in 10 days
- # [18:06] <rubys> topic: Recent WG Decisions
- # [18:07] <rubys> WG Decision: Return Canvas2D to Last Call http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0018.html
- # [18:07] <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-2dcontext-20150514/
- # [18:07] <rubys> paulc: there were substantive changes for accessibility features and to correct some things that previously were left out
- # [18:07] <rubys> paulc: last call period is approximately 4 weeks
- # [18:07] <rubys> b) WG Decision: Move Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) specification under the terms of the 2014 Process Document http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0019.html
- # [18:08] <rubys> paulc: this will enable the editors to use the new publishing tool
- # [18:08] <rubys> WG Decision: Move Using WAI-ARIA in HTML specification under the terms of the 2014 Process Document http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0022.html
- # [18:08] <rubys> paulc: this is co-published, and is awaiting a decision by PF
- # [18:08] <ShaneM> zakim, what is the code?
- # [18:08] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ShaneM
- # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P18
- # [18:09] <ShaneM> zakim, I am ??P18
- # [18:09] <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
- # [18:09] * ShaneM is muted
- # [18:09] <rubys> janina: there may be confusion in titling; ARIA is HTML is fully HTML WG (previously resolved)
- # [18:09] <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-html-aria-20150514/
- # [18:09] <rubys> ... using HTML in HTML is primarily authoring guidance: that we want to continue to jointly manage.
- # [18:09] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-aria-in-html-20140626/ Using WAI-ARIA in HTML
- # [18:10] <rubys> janina: there were two requests from Steve, there is consensus on heartbeat, but not yet on automated publishing
- # [18:10] <rubys> janina: I'll reach out to Steve
- # [18:11] <rubys> paulc: the HTML WG doesn't require permission for heartbeats, I think we are OK here
- # [18:11] <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-html-aria-20150514/
- # [18:12] <rubys> plh: I don't know where the editor's draft for Using WAI-ARIA in HTML is
- # [18:12] <plh> http://w3c.github.io/aria-in-html/
- # [18:13] <paulc> Above link is Editor's draft of Using WAI-ARIA in HTML
- # [18:13] <rubys> janina: the short-name is confusing
- # [18:14] <rubys> paulc: very confusing
- # [18:14] <rubys> WG Decision: Move ARIA in HTML specification under the terms of the 2014 Process Document http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0021.html
- # [18:14] <rubys> paulc: this document had a heartbeat document today
- # [18:15] <rubys> topic: HTML WG charter and plan
- # [18:15] <rubys> a) Update on HTML plan next steps, Philippe http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0017.html http://www.w3.org/2015/Talks/0506-html/
- # [18:15] <rubys> paulc: charter expires June 30th; lots of discussions re: reengaging the community
- # [18:16] <rubys> plh: there are two things happening in parallel.
- # [18:16] <paulc> WG charter: http://www.w3.org/2013/09/html-charter.html
- # [18:16] <rubys> ... there is a desire to have a CG with a wide scope to incubate ideas, there is a draft charter
- # [18:17] <plh> https://w3c.github.io/charter-html/incubator-cg-charter.html
- # [18:17] <rubys> plh: the long pole is thought to be the tooling to track contributions
- # [18:18] <rubys> plh: for the WG, the situation is more complicated and will take longer. Adrian Bateman made a proposal prior to the AC; addressing the existing overlap of HTML and WebApps
- # [18:18] * ShaneM notes I have a hard stop at :30 today because of a PF ARIA Caucus call
- # [18:18] <rubys> ... the proposal is to reshuffle and end up with four groups
- # [18:18] <plh> https://github.com/w3c/charter-html/issues/14
- # [18:18] <rubys> ... Robin has proposed a split
- # [18:19] <rubys> plh: these proposals need wider review. This has been discussed at the AB and AC.
- # [18:19] <plh> http://w3c.github.io/charter-html/html-plan.html
- # [18:19] <rubys> plh: there is an issue with respect to the workmode. The proposal is to be "data driven"; we need to expand on what that means
- # [18:20] <rubys> plh: interop will be done by the WG.
- # [18:20] <rubys> plh: timeline regarding the WG is not likely to happen before the charter expires; we will need to figure out how to extend the group and for how long
- # [18:20] <rubys> plh: I haven't talked to the WebApps WG yet
- # [18:21] <rubys> topic: Other publications
- # [18:21] <rubys> https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Publications
- # [18:21] <rubys> a) W3C DOM4 Last Call ends on May 19 http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dom-20150428/ See also: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0024.html
- # [18:22] <rubys> paulc: I sent out a reminder; before the reminder there were no comments
- # [18:22] <rubys> paulc: in response, it appears that both Boris and Ted are concerned
- # [18:23] <rubys> paulc: it may mean that some parts may need to be marked at risk
- # [18:24] <rubys> plh: we need to evaluate these comments, and also figure out why we didn't catch this earlier
- # [18:25] <rubys> plh: part of the problem is that new content was added since the first CR
- # [18:26] <rubys> b) Call for Implementer Interest: Form HTTP Extensions http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2015Feb/0000.html See also: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Dec/0020.html Status: Awaiting feedback from implementers
- # [18:26] <rubys> paulc: I've been trying to do direct contact
- # [18:26] <rubys> topic: Task Force reports
- # [18:27] <rubys> janina: there will be a F2F in July for A11y; location TBD (spain/london)
- # [18:28] <rubys> janina: there is an ongoing debate/discussion re ARIA role extensions for digital publishing; looking to pull the right people into a telecon
- # [18:28] * ShaneM needs to bail to go talk about this topic!
- # [18:29] <Zakim> -ShaneM
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- # [18:30] <rubys> janina: transcript extension specification: John/Chaals have the action; we need input from the Media TF to help pick from the potential solutions
- # [18:31] <rubys> paulc: the transcript issue is related to issue 194
- # [18:31] <paulc> Media TF April F2F minutes: http://www.w3.org/2015/04/15-html-media-minutes.html and http://www.w3.org/2015/04/16-html-media-minutes.html
- # [18:31] <rubys> paulc: people should look at Ted's input
- # [18:31] <janina> 1/join #aria
- # [18:32] <janina> I'll be late. HTML-WG call running a little while still
- # [18:32] <rubys> paulc: we continue to make slow progress
- # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: the next progression step for EME would be to go into CR (per 2014 process)
- # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: we don't have anything additional to report related to Canvas
- # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: the editing TF has been largely dormant
- # [18:34] <rubys> paulc: webapps did appt a new editor
- # [18:34] <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-aria-in-html-20150514/
- # [18:34] <rubys> topic: Chair and Scribe for next meeting
- # [18:34] <rubys> paulc: we will leave that item open; I certainly don't think we need to meet every week
- # [18:35] <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
- # [18:35] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
- # [18:35] <rubys> topic: Adjournment
- # [18:36] <Zakim> -janina
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- # [18:39] <Zakim> -paulc
- # [18:41] <Zakim> -Sam
- # [18:41] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
- # [18:41] <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, paulc, janina, Plh, ShaneM
- # [18:41] <plh> zakim, bye
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- # Session Close: Fri May 15 00:00:01 2015
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