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  1. # Session Start: Thu May 14 00:00:00 2015
  2. # Session Ident: #html-wg
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  65. # [17:41] <Titi_Alone> Hello
  66. # [17:41] * IanPouncey1 is now known as IanPouncey
  67. # [17:42] <Titi_Alone> Everybody can access to Thursday's telecons?
  68. # [17:44] <plh> Group participants
  69. # [17:45] <plh> ie folks listed at https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=40318&public=1
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  71. # [17:48] <paulc> trackbot, start meeting
  72. # [17:48] * trackbot is preparing a teleconference.
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  74. # [17:48] <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-html-wg-irc
  75. # [17:48] <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
  76. # [17:48] <RRSAgent> I have made the request, trackbot
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  78. # [17:48] <trackbot> Zakim, this will be html_wg
  79. # [17:48] <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
  80. # [17:48] <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
  81. # [17:48] <trackbot> Date: 14 May 2015
  82. # [17:51] * Joins: rubys (~rubys@public.cloak)
  83. # [17:54] <Titi_Alone> Same for mailing list?
  84. # [17:55] <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2015AprJun/0000.html
  85. # [17:55] <paulc> Chair: paulc
  86. # [17:55] <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
  87. # [17:55] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
  88. # [17:56] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
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  90. # [17:56] <Zakim> +Sam
  91. # [17:56] <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
  92. # [17:56] <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
  93. # [17:56] <Zakim> +paulc; got it
  94. # [17:56] <Zakim> +??P5
  95. # [17:57] <janina> zakim, ??P5 is me
  96. # [17:57] <Zakim> +janina; got it
  97. # [17:57] <Titi_Alone> Can't call Zakim if not group participant?
  98. # [18:00] <paulc> Titi_Alone: This IRC channel is being used at this time for the weekly HTML WG meeting.
  99. # [18:00] <paulc> Titi_Alone: Do you need help?
  100. # [18:00] * plh zakim, call plh-work
  101. # [18:00] * Zakim ok, plh; the call is being made
  102. # [18:00] <Zakim> +Plh
  103. # [18:00] <Titi_Alone> paulc: Yes, I want to know if I can hear the conference despite that I'm not a member of the group.
  104. # [18:01] <paulc> Titi_Alone: You should probably attempt to join the WG first.
  105. # [18:01] * plh zakim, who is on the phone?
  106. # [18:01] * Zakim sees on the phone: Sam, paulc, janina, Plh
  107. # [18:02] <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
  108. # [18:02] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
  109. # [18:02] <rubys> scribenick: rubys
  110. # [18:03] <paulc> test
  111. # [18:03] * ShaneM is tied up on a call
  112. # [18:03] <rubys> topic: Open ACTION items
  113. # [18:04] <rubys> action-249?
  114. # [18:04] * trackbot is looking up action-249.
  115. # [18:04] <trackbot> action-249 -- Robin Berjon to Triage new whatwg updates, html bugs, landscape document in order to list priority content for modules -- due 2015-04-05 -- OPEN
  116. # [18:04] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/249
  117. # [18:04] <rubys> paulc: this one is nearly all done; the principle part that isn't done is triage; we are going to put that on hold until the plan is more clear
  118. # [18:05] <rubys> paulc: the document is in place and is picking up the (relatively few) WHATWG changes
  119. # [18:05] <rubys> action-252?
  120. # [18:05] * trackbot is looking up action-252.
  121. # [18:05] <trackbot> action-252 -- Sam Ruby to - contact polyglot proponents to ask what they plan to do w/ the spec -- due 2015-06-30 -- OPEN
  122. # [18:05] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/252
  123. # [18:05] <rubys> paulc: after TPAC, the chairs have attempted to contact the editors; one has left the wg, and the other is inactive; for now the chairs will put this on hold
  124. # [18:06] <rubys> paulc: there was a survey, which was close. We will reevaluate when rechartering
  125. # [18:06] <rubys> action-253?
  126. # [18:06] * trackbot is looking up action-253.
  127. # [18:06] <trackbot> action-253 -- Robin Berjon to File bugs on implementors re: html json form submission -- due 2015-05-23 -- OPEN
  128. # [18:06] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/253
  129. # [18:06] <rubys> paulc: due in 10 days
  130. # [18:06] <rubys> topic: Recent WG Decisions
  131. # [18:07] <rubys> WG Decision: Return Canvas2D to Last Call http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0018.html
  132. # [18:07] <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-2dcontext-20150514/
  133. # [18:07] <rubys> paulc: there were substantive changes for accessibility features and to correct some things that previously were left out
  134. # [18:07] <rubys> paulc: last call period is approximately 4 weeks
  135. # [18:07] <rubys> b) WG Decision: Move Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) specification under the terms of the 2014 Process Document http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0019.html
  136. # [18:08] <rubys> paulc: this will enable the editors to use the new publishing tool
  137. # [18:08] <rubys> WG Decision: Move Using WAI-ARIA in HTML specification under the terms of the 2014 Process Document http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0022.html
  138. # [18:08] <rubys> paulc: this is co-published, and is awaiting a decision by PF
  139. # [18:08] <ShaneM> zakim, what is the code?
  140. # [18:08] <Zakim> the conference code is 4865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ShaneM
  141. # [18:09] <Zakim> +??P18
  142. # [18:09] <ShaneM> zakim, I am ??P18
  143. # [18:09] <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
  144. # [18:09] * ShaneM is muted
  145. # [18:09] <rubys> janina: there may be confusion in titling; ARIA is HTML is fully HTML WG (previously resolved)
  146. # [18:09] <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-html-aria-20150514/
  147. # [18:09] <rubys> ... using HTML in HTML is primarily authoring guidance: that we want to continue to jointly manage.
  148. # [18:09] <paulc> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-aria-in-html-20140626/ Using WAI-ARIA in HTML
  149. # [18:10] <rubys> janina: there were two requests from Steve, there is consensus on heartbeat, but not yet on automated publishing
  150. # [18:10] <rubys> janina: I'll reach out to Steve
  151. # [18:11] <rubys> paulc: the HTML WG doesn't require permission for heartbeats, I think we are OK here
  152. # [18:11] <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-html-aria-20150514/
  153. # [18:12] <rubys> plh: I don't know where the editor's draft for Using WAI-ARIA in HTML is
  154. # [18:12] <plh> http://w3c.github.io/aria-in-html/
  155. # [18:13] <paulc> Above link is Editor's draft of Using WAI-ARIA in HTML
  156. # [18:13] <rubys> janina: the short-name is confusing
  157. # [18:14] <rubys> paulc: very confusing
  158. # [18:14] <rubys> WG Decision: Move ARIA in HTML specification under the terms of the 2014 Process Document http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0021.html
  159. # [18:14] <rubys> paulc: this document had a heartbeat document today
  160. # [18:15] <rubys> topic: HTML WG charter and plan
  161. # [18:15] <rubys> a) Update on HTML plan next steps, Philippe http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0017.html http://www.w3.org/2015/Talks/0506-html/
  162. # [18:15] <rubys> paulc: charter expires June 30th; lots of discussions re: reengaging the community
  163. # [18:16] <rubys> plh: there are two things happening in parallel.
  164. # [18:16] <paulc> WG charter: http://www.w3.org/2013/09/html-charter.html
  165. # [18:16] <rubys> ... there is a desire to have a CG with a wide scope to incubate ideas, there is a draft charter
  166. # [18:17] <plh> https://w3c.github.io/charter-html/incubator-cg-charter.html
  167. # [18:17] <rubys> plh: the long pole is thought to be the tooling to track contributions
  168. # [18:18] <rubys> plh: for the WG, the situation is more complicated and will take longer. Adrian Bateman made a proposal prior to the AC; addressing the existing overlap of HTML and WebApps
  169. # [18:18] * ShaneM notes I have a hard stop at :30 today because of a PF ARIA Caucus call
  170. # [18:18] <rubys> ... the proposal is to reshuffle and end up with four groups
  171. # [18:18] <plh> https://github.com/w3c/charter-html/issues/14
  172. # [18:18] <rubys> ... Robin has proposed a split
  173. # [18:19] <rubys> plh: these proposals need wider review. This has been discussed at the AB and AC.
  174. # [18:19] <plh> http://w3c.github.io/charter-html/html-plan.html
  175. # [18:19] <rubys> plh: there is an issue with respect to the workmode. The proposal is to be "data driven"; we need to expand on what that means
  176. # [18:20] <rubys> plh: interop will be done by the WG.
  177. # [18:20] <rubys> plh: timeline regarding the WG is not likely to happen before the charter expires; we will need to figure out how to extend the group and for how long
  178. # [18:20] <rubys> plh: I haven't talked to the WebApps WG yet
  179. # [18:21] <rubys> topic: Other publications
  180. # [18:21] <rubys> https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Publications
  181. # [18:21] <rubys> a) W3C DOM4 Last Call ends on May 19 http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-dom-20150428/ See also: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2015May/0024.html
  182. # [18:22] <rubys> paulc: I sent out a reminder; before the reminder there were no comments
  183. # [18:22] <rubys> paulc: in response, it appears that both Boris and Ted are concerned
  184. # [18:23] <rubys> paulc: it may mean that some parts may need to be marked at risk
  185. # [18:24] <rubys> plh: we need to evaluate these comments, and also figure out why we didn't catch this earlier
  186. # [18:25] <rubys> plh: part of the problem is that new content was added since the first CR
  187. # [18:26] <rubys> b) Call for Implementer Interest: Form HTTP Extensions http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2015Feb/0000.html See also: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2014Dec/0020.html Status: Awaiting feedback from implementers
  188. # [18:26] <rubys> paulc: I've been trying to do direct contact
  189. # [18:26] <rubys> topic: Task Force reports
  190. # [18:27] <rubys> janina: there will be a F2F in July for A11y; location TBD (spain/london)
  191. # [18:28] <rubys> janina: there is an ongoing debate/discussion re ARIA role extensions for digital publishing; looking to pull the right people into a telecon
  192. # [18:28] * ShaneM needs to bail to go talk about this topic!
  193. # [18:29] <Zakim> -ShaneM
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  195. # [18:30] <rubys> janina: transcript extension specification: John/Chaals have the action; we need input from the Media TF to help pick from the potential solutions
  196. # [18:31] <rubys> paulc: the transcript issue is related to issue 194
  197. # [18:31] <paulc> Media TF April F2F minutes: http://www.w3.org/2015/04/15-html-media-minutes.html and http://www.w3.org/2015/04/16-html-media-minutes.html
  198. # [18:31] <rubys> paulc: people should look at Ted's input
  199. # [18:31] <janina> 1/join #aria
  200. # [18:32] <janina> I'll be late. HTML-WG call running a little while still
  201. # [18:32] <rubys> paulc: we continue to make slow progress
  202. # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: the next progression step for EME would be to go into CR (per 2014 process)
  203. # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: we don't have anything additional to report related to Canvas
  204. # [18:33] <rubys> paulc: the editing TF has been largely dormant
  205. # [18:34] <rubys> paulc: webapps did appt a new editor
  206. # [18:34] <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-aria-in-html-20150514/
  207. # [18:34] <rubys> topic: Chair and Scribe for next meeting
  208. # [18:34] <rubys> paulc: we will leave that item open; I certainly don't think we need to meet every week
  209. # [18:35] <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
  210. # [18:35] <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-html-wg-minutes.html paulc
  211. # [18:35] <rubys> topic: Adjournment
  212. # [18:36] <Zakim> -janina
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  214. # [18:36] <Zakim> -Plh
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  216. # [18:39] <Zakim> -paulc
  217. # [18:41] <Zakim> -Sam
  218. # [18:41] <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
  219. # [18:41] <Zakim> Attendees were Sam, paulc, janina, Plh, ShaneM
  220. # [18:41] <plh> zakim, bye
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