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  1. # Session Start: Wed Dec 08 17:34:49 2010
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [17:34] * Now talking in #html5
  4. # [17:34] * Topic is 'Welcome, amigos :: Ask any question about html5 & Friends. || Author Spec: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/ || Full spec: http://whatwg.org/html5 || Also: http://html5rocks.com http://diveintohtml5.org http://mzl.la/9giLwR http://html5homi.es'
  5. # [17:34] * Set by marienz!~marienz@freenode/staff/marienz on Fri Nov 05 18:43:30
  6. # [17:36] <bentruyman> jcov: my understanding is the File API provides abstract methods for writing data to disk as well as methods for dealing with Blobs
  7. # [17:37] <jcov> bentruyman: nice i was reading the w3 spec and didn't notice anything about writing to disk, do you have any examples of implementation?
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  9. # [17:38] <bentruyman> jcov: I do not
  10. # [17:39] <jcov> bentruyman: k thanks will keep investigating
  11. # [17:41] <bentruyman> jcov: for more on writing to disk: http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/file-system/file-writer.html
  12. # [17:41] <cardona507> jcov: did you ask in #whatwg?
  13. # [17:41] <jcov> no but now i will
  14. # [17:42] <cardona507> yeah it's mildly active there currently
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  20. # [17:52] <paul_irish> wheres brian blakleyyyyy
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  22. # [17:52] <paul_irish> jcov: the filesystem api covers that.. its been landing in chrome
  23. # [17:53] <paul_irish> you can only read/write files to a sandbox for you
  24. # [17:53] <paul_irish> cant go outside of it
  25. # [17:53] <paul_irish> jcov: http://www.thecssninja.com/javascript/filesystem
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  27. # [17:58] <mikesusz> wow that's cool. would be even better to have a polyfill/fallback
  28. # [17:58] <mikesusz> that loads remotely instead
  29. # [17:59] <mikesusz> or is there one already?
  30. # [18:00] <jcov> paul_irish: ty had a peek at this a few days ago, will reread more closely
  31. # [18:00] <mikesusz> oh, advanced chrome stuff
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  34. # [18:05] <mikesusz> davidangel - what's your ?
  35. # [18:05] <mikesusz> mischan. d'oh.
  36. # [18:06] <mikesusz> i suck at IRC lately.
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  40. # [18:19] <tw2113> must admit, Tweetdeck inside chrome may save a decent amount of ram and screen real estate
  41. # [18:20] <pa7> hey guys :)
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  44. # [18:23] <jacine> hi tw2113 :)
  45. # [18:23] <tw2113> yo
  46. # [18:23] <jacine> how u doin?
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  48. # [18:23] <tw2113> not too shabby
  49. # [18:24] <jacine> :)
  50. # [18:24] <tw2113> apparently over project hours, so that's not good
  51. # [18:24] <jacine> nah, that's not good. :(
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  53. # [18:27] <tw2113> it's shipit
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  59. # [18:41] <cardona507> tw2113: ship it squirrel has a message for you
  60. # [18:41] <cardona507> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.skitch.com/20100714-d6q52xajfh4cimxr3888yb77ru.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.engineyard.com/blog/2010/engine-yard-appcloud-cli/&usg=__aNXXUJLHBPmH142Iap9mf2cVbEc=&h=542&w=777&sz=69&hl=en&start=0&sig2=Rh2rFLCkpHWyq8o-Gp27bg&zoom=1&tbnid=M_XlV2lWy9t1LM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=138&ei=YML_TP2AAoW0sAOS6umrCw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dship%2Bit%2Bsquirrel%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1065%26bih%3D585%26t
  61. # [18:41] <cardona507> isch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=111&vpy=174&dur=393&hovh=140&hovw=201&tx=109&ty=90&oei=YML_TP2AAoW0sAOS6umrCw&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0
  62. # [18:41] <cardona507> ouch!
  63. # [18:41] <cardona507> my bad on the link :/
  64. # [18:41] <paul_irish> :(
  65. # [18:41] <cardona507> ugly ugly
  66. # [18:42] <cardona507> is it fair to blame that on google images or am I just a dumb ass?
  67. # [18:42] <paul_irish> get the goo.gl chrome extensions
  68. # [18:42] <paul_irish> -s
  69. # [18:42] <paul_irish> it copies to clipboard automatically
  70. # [18:42] <cardona507> really?
  71. # [18:42] <cardona507> researching...
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  75. # [18:46] <cardona507> this extension rulz
  76. # [18:47] <cardona507> thanks for the headz up paul_irish
  77. # [18:47] <paul_irish> :)
  78. # [18:57] <paul_irish> so holy shit. websockets are being disabled in both opera and FF. op: http://annevankesteren.nl/2010/12/websocket-protocol-vulnerability ff: http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2010/12/disabling-websockets-for-firefox-4/
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  81. # [19:03] * tw2113 jaw drops
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  85. # [19:05] <jerome_> naively, websocket are cached by proxy ?
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  91. # [19:20] <Pewpewarrows> so apparently pitchfork.com's crazy top flash video completely brings my chrome to a stop on linux, sigh
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  94. # [19:23] <tw2113> fucking flash
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  108. # [19:44] <danielfilho> paul_irish: killing article about the fixed position on iOS webapp! thanks for sharing :D
  109. # [19:47] <nimbupani> whats killing danielfilho
  110. # [19:48] <nimbupani> ooh that fixed pos thingie
  111. # [19:48] <danielfilho> well, actually nothing is killing hahaha... I was talking about paul's retweet
  112. # [19:48] <danielfilho> http://code.google.com/mobile/articles/webapp_fixed_ui.html
  113. # [19:48] <nimbupani> paul_irish: are they really using CAPITALS in CLASS NAMES
  114. # [19:49] <nimbupani> why??? :|
  115. # [19:49] <danielfilho> hahaha
  116. # [19:49] <danielfilho> make a quick search&replace and all goes smooth again. and all the pandas will keep alive. and cats. and unicorns.
  117. # [19:50] <danielfilho> actually, you can rename the classes for "unicorns", "panda" and things like that.
  118. # [19:51] <paul_irish> :)
  119. # [19:51] <danielfilho> I needed a solution for scrolling on iOS yesterday, and I found and I'm using iScroll.
  120. # [19:52] <danielfilho> really nice, but still need some fine tunning. nothing critical.
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  122. # [19:52] <danielfilho> will try that google's solution later.
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  124. # [19:53] <Rik`> it seems very iOs dependent
  125. # [19:53] <nimbupani> but it is Rik`
  126. # [19:53] <Rik`> what about Android ?
  127. # [19:53] <nimbupani> android uses same -webkit extensions.
  128. # [19:54] <Rik`> yeah but the assumptions that it will be hardware accelerated are false, iirc
  129. # [19:55] <nimbupani> really?
  130. # [19:55] <danielfilho> you mean the translate3d thing, right?
  131. # [19:55] <Rik`> I'm not sure but last time I checked, only Safari has hardware acceleration on translate3D
  132. # [19:57] <Rik`> of course, if you're Google, you can have one engineer per device to find the best solution on each
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  134. # [19:57] <Rik`> otherwise, relying on something like iScroll might be better
  135. # [19:58] <jerome_> http://www.chromium.org/developers/demos-gpu-acceleration-and-webgl just played a bit with that
  136. # [19:58] <dilvie> hi =)
  137. # [19:58] <Pewpewarrows> GitHub's new HTML5 History and CSS transitions browser is pretty sexy
  138. # [19:58] <danielfilho> jerome_: we're talking about the Android's browser, not chrome
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  140. # [19:59] <Pewpewarrows> I've always hated how many clicks it took to get anywhere within a github repo
  141. # [19:59] <Rik`> jerome_: plus, these are "accelerated" cause it's WebGL
  142. # [19:59] <danielfilho> still, that's interesting too
  143. # [19:59] <Rik`> Pewpewarrows: yeah, if only Twitter could use it instead of the ugly #!
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  145. # [20:00] <Pewpewarrows> Rik`, I agree, except that GitHub's can only target the bleeding edge browsers right now
  146. # [20:00] <Pewpewarrows> Twitter's going for broader support with the new interface
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  148. # [20:00] <Rik`> Pewpewarrows: access github with a browser without History API and it will be fine
  149. # [20:01] <Pewpewarrows> right, they feature detect
  150. # [20:01] <Pewpewarrows> forgot about that ^^
  151. # [20:01] <Rik`> so that's not a question of support :)
  152. # [20:02] <Pewpewarrows> speaking of which, Twitter's new site loves to crash my Chrome all the time now
  153. # [20:02] <Pewpewarrows> basically forced to use third-party apps
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  157. # [20:10] <paul_irish> i added some holiday cheer http://paulirish.com/
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  161. # [20:15] <Rik`> paul_irish: not working on Firefox4
  162. # [20:16] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish, had to turn off gpu enabled compositing for your site to work on chrome linux :/
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  164. # [20:17] <paul_irish> yeah FF4 has some issues.. working them out now Rik`
  165. # [20:17] <paul_irish> Pewpewarrows: bummer :(
  166. # [20:17] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish, not a huge deal, half the sites I visit don't work with the gpu flag on, guess that's why it's still experimental!
  167. # [20:18] <nimbupani> HA HA HA HA
  168. # [20:18] <nimbupani> use a better browser it seems
  169. # [20:21] <paul_irish> :p
  170. # [20:23] <paul_irish> works in FF4 (sorta) but perf is complete shit.
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  172. # [20:26] <jerome_> http://webglsamples.googlecode.com/hg/aquarium/aquarium.html this is 50fps with 1000fishes. i even forgot it for a while. as it use a single cpu
  173. # [20:27] <paul_irish> webgl perf is pretty hot
  174. # [20:28] <jerome_> webworker can run on another cpu, correct ?
  175. # [20:29] <paul_irish> yes
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  182. # [20:36] <lawatts> Hello. I am having a lot of problems with the canvas property drawImage are there any wise words available?
  183. # [20:36] <jerome_> about:crash <- loving that
  184. # [20:40] <BrianBlakely> lawatts: What's your problem, specifically?
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  187. # [20:40] <BrianBlakely> http://webglsamples.googlecode.com/hg/field/field.html
  188. # [20:41] <BrianBlakely> Holy shit guys, i'ts Flower. FLOWER! In my browser!
  189. # [20:42] <lawatts> BrianBlakely: I am experiencing problems consistently drawing an image to the canvas.
  190. # [20:43] <jerome_> lawatts: ask your questions. give more informations. you will increase the likelyhood to be answered
  191. # [20:44] <lawatts> http://thisis.la/irc/rotateCanvas02.html is a sample of the item
  192. # [20:45] <lawatts> while it worked when I was using within loop() for animation purposes in this instance the static version does not appear to be drawing correctly. Occasionally on refresh it is visible
  193. # [20:45] <jerome_> lawatts: do it after the page is loaded. like body.onload
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  198. # [20:46] <jerome_> console.log(domelement) is working :) awesome
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  200. # [20:49] <lawatts> jerome_ : cheers, I've come in from using jQuery, easing my way into this 'real' javascript stuff
  201. # [20:49] <jerome_> anybody wrote a websocket wrapper on top of gae channel api ?
  202. # [20:50] <jerome_> lawatts: jQuery(function(){ allyourcodehere }) may help
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  204. # [20:55] <lawatts> jermone_: Awesome thanks very much for that. Successfully tied it to the window.onload event. Babysteps..
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  210. # [21:01] <Pewpewarrows> lol
  211. # [21:01] <Pewpewarrows> mt
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  214. # [21:11] <BrianBlakely> lawatts: Place all your JS at the very, very bottom of the body, then you avoid needing the "ready" event
  215. # [21:12] <BrianBlakely> lawatts: Also, be sure to set the onload event to the image you want to draw, and make sure you set the src for that image AFTER you've assigned the onload event handler to it
  216. # [21:12] <BrianBlakely> Oh… he's gone
  217. # [21:12] <BrianBlakely> bleh
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  219. # [21:13] <BrianBlakely> Godspeed, you crazy starchild
  220. # [21:13] <monteslu> how much of html5boilerplate's scripts are dependant on jquery?
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  228. # [21:23] <Pewpewarrows> monteslu, I wasn't aware html5bp had much js in it
  229. # [21:23] <BrianBlakely> monteslu: plugins.js
  230. # [21:23] <Pewpewarrows> I thought it was just external js libs and a few of paul irish's utility functions
  231. # [21:24] <Pewpewarrows> and that was it
  232. # [21:24] <BrianBlakely> Pewpewarrows: There are two lines in plugins.js that use jQuery
  233. # [21:25] <Pewpewarrows> BrianBlakely, yeah, thought it was small
  234. # [21:26] <BrianBlakely> <script>!window.jQuery && document.write(unescape('%3Cscript src="js/libs/jquery-1.4.2.js"%3E%3C/script%3E'))</script>
  235. # [21:26] <BrianBlakely> I don't do that in my own boilerplate, we just have a local script and a CDN script, the latter of which remains commented until production
  236. # [21:26] <monteslu> ok, cool. I'm replacing it with dojo for my stuff
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  257. # [22:11] <binni> Anyone know how to do a "translate" to objects on a canvas created with fabric.js? https://github.com/kangax/fabric.js/tree/ | https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Canvas_tutorial/Transformations#Translating
  258. # [22:12] <binni> Anyone know how to do a "translate" to objects on a canvas created with fabric.js? https://github.com/kangax/fabric.js/tree/ | https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Canvas_tutorial/Transformations#Translating
  259. # [22:12] <binni> woops. sorry about that
  260. # [22:12] <bckenny> can you explain what youre trying to do?
  261. # [22:13] <binni> I'm trying to move things like circles and rects created with fabric.js on a canvas element by x pixels to the right and y pixels down, example: ctx.translate(480/2, 640/2);
  262. # [22:15] <binni> I don't see anything about translateing in fabric.js docs
  263. # [22:15] <binni> *translating
  264. # [22:15] <miketaylr> ask kangax
  265. # [22:16] <bckenny> agreed
  266. # [22:16] <bckenny> but from a cursory look at the source it seems like all objects have a left and top property, which is used in the render function
  267. # [22:16] <bckenny> so you could also just try adding to those and see if it works
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  269. # [22:17] <bckenny> I dont know if he does any tricks with only rendering changing parts of the canvas though, which probably wouldnt be triggered by doing that
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  271. # [22:19] <bckenny> er, I take that back
  272. # [22:20] <bckenny> paths dont have that
  273. # [22:23] <bckenny> there are references to canvas transforms all over the place, but I dont know how he walks the scengraph, so...I'm no help
  274. # [22:23] <bckenny> ask kangax :)
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  277. # [22:28] <codepo8> bah nobody on htm5l :(
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  279. # [22:28] <bckenny> 5 Ls?
  280. # [22:31] <codepo8> nice HTML5 job by the NYT http://www.nytimes.com/chrome/#
  281. # [22:31] <nimbupani> LAWL5
  282. # [22:33] <miketaylr> nearly the same as http://www.nytimes.com/timesskimmer/
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  284. # [22:34] <nimbupani> or their ipad app
  285. # [22:34] <codepo8> well, a bit evolved, but yes
  286. # [22:35] <codepo8> OK If I were an admin for visa or mastercard I would so go offline today instead of trying to fight back
  287. # [22:35] <codepo8> wow
  288. # [22:36] <codepo8> mastercard.com down
  289. # [22:36] <codepo8> visa.com 71.4% packet loss here
  290. # [22:41] <bentruyman> why not PayPal
  291. # [22:42] <Rik`> bentruyman: paypal is targeted too but are used to deal with ddos attacks I guess
  292. # [22:42] <bentruyman> makes sense
  293. # [22:42] <codepo8> so now verified by visa doesn't only look like a phishing site but also behaves like one
  294. # [22:43] <codepo8> good thing I booked my rental car for christmas this morning
  295. # [22:43] <Rik`> i'm not sure those anynomous attacks are doing any good
  296. # [22:44] <Pewpewarrows> so I've been writing a webapp that mimics a native file explorer but for uploaded documents, and I have shift/control clicking of documents for multiselect working fine on every browser but opera
  297. # [22:44] <Pewpewarrows> in my thumbnails view, every time opera sees a ctrl-click on an image, it tries to download it, and I've been struggling to figure out how to override that in js
  298. # [22:45] <Pewpewarrows> any ideas?
  299. # [22:46] <_3Vince_> codepo8: finally, I can use my Amex in more places than my master card!!
  300. # [22:48] <codepo8> Pewpewarrows: I can ask the guys who build photos.yahoo.com back then - I think they struggled with that for a long time
  301. # [22:48] <codepo8> _3Vince_: hahahaa
  302. # [22:48] <Pewpewarrows> codepo8, that'd be amazing, been pulling my hair out all afternoon :/
  303. # [22:48] <codepo8> asked a Opera guy?
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  305. # [22:49] <codepo8> they have a whole channel :)
  306. # [22:49] <Pewpewarrows> oh true, was gonna hit up stackoverflow but I guess that would be a logical first place to start
  307. # [22:51] <tw2113> i'm almost always here during the day
  308. # [22:52] <codepo8> true
  309. # [22:52] <tw2113> what else would i be doing? work?
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  311. # [22:53] <_3Vince_> I seem to be doing nothing but work, which is ironic in a way as I was recently made redundant
  312. # [22:54] <codepo8> I did the best work when not doing things on projects :)
  313. # [22:55] <tw2113> i'm reading Hardboiled Web Design as i'm towards the end of a project that we're technically over on hours for
  314. # [22:55] <codepo8> I just plough through the Mozilla intranet - my god there is a lot of work to play with :)
  315. # [22:55] <_3Vince_> I managed to get remployed pretty quickly - the main difference is I actually enjoy my job now
  316. # [22:55] <tw2113> most of the rest is client content anyway
  317. # [22:55] <Rik`> codepo8: I should check your picture in the phonebook :)
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  319. # [22:56] <tw2113> start making public gits for them codepo8
  320. # [22:57] <codepo8> I would never make public gits out of my colleagues
  321. # [22:57] <tw2113> leave that up to them?
  322. # [22:58] <codepo8> Listening to Patrick Steward on BBC4 - Picard was never that posh
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  325. # [23:01] <tw2113> good to see i'm not the only person who says something witty/interesting/funny somewhere else first and then goes "hey, that'd be good for twitter too!"
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  327. # [23:05] <codepo8> ouch
  328. # [23:05] <codepo8> http://pastebin.com/yLAZ3NGC
  329. # [23:07] <JKarsrud> what are you doing with my creditcards!?!?! :o
  330. # [23:08] <tw2113> good, my debit card isn't in there
  331. # [23:10] <codepo8> that would be the perfect crime right now - make a web site telling people that visa cards were leaked and offer a search field where people should enter their data to see if they are compromised
  332. # [23:10] <codepo8> :)
  333. # [23:11] <tw2113> command+F was my friend there, but i know what you mean
  334. # [23:11] <JKarsrud> Sweet, mine wasn't in there either
  335. # [23:12] <JKarsrud> But the odds were pretty slim after all :)
  336. # [23:14] <BrianBlakely> Anyone here do Facebook Page custom Tab development?
  337. # [23:15] <BrianBlakely> I need someone to bitch with
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  340. # [23:21] <tw2113> this is strangely intriguing http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/12/12/magazine/14actors.html?hp#1
  341. # [23:22] <BrianBlakely> That's a neat idea, and video galleries are an appealing concept
  342. # [23:25] <codepo8> http://simplegeo.com/docs/api-endpoints/simplegeo-context
  343. # [23:25] <codepo8> *drool*
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  345. # [23:27] <BrianBlakely> codepo8: Wow, that's really smart
  346. # [23:27] <tw2113> codepo8, obviously i know you're a strong supporter of YQL...do you have any book suggestions about the various ways to interact with it?
  347. # [23:28] <codepo8> well, I was supposed to write that book :)
  348. # [23:28] <codepo8> but then the world of html5 called me
  349. # [23:28] <codepo8> there is no book out but a lot of presentations on my slideshare
  350. # [23:28] <tw2113> how about something with json?
  351. # [23:29] <tw2113> i have doubts that they can't get along together
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  355. # [23:29] <codepo8> and I released the first chapter: http://icant.co.uk/whyyql/
  356. # [23:29] <codepo8> json is supported as a data format of course
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  358. # [23:30] * tw2113 evernotes that chapter
  359. # [23:31] <tw2113> htm5+css3+javascript+API = heaven, and something i need to learn more about together
  360. # [23:33] <codepo8> I just gave a talk on that in Yahoo as one of my last acts: http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2010/12/01/video-yuiconf2010-heilmann-yql/ and there is also an older one http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2010/02/11/video-heilmann-yql/
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  362. # [23:34] <tw2113> thanks for the resources christian, i appreciate it
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  366. # [23:45] <codepo8> So apparently I am 3rd most influental github user in London - http://blog.nodejitsu.com/most-influential-github-users-by-location - WTF?
  367. # [23:45] <tw2113> any of you think it's worth the trouble to compile software on mac?
  368. # [23:46] <tw2113> or should i just look for dmg's?
  369. # [23:46] <mikesusz> tw2113 - what are you looking for?
  370. # [23:46] <mikesusz> there are several repositories for osx like macports
  371. # [23:46] <tw2113> httrack
  372. # [23:47] <tw2113> they do mention macports on the httrack site too
  373. # [23:47] <mikesusz> % port search httrack
  374. # [23:47] <mikesusz> httrack @3.43.9 (net)
  375. # [23:47] <mikesusz> Website Copier/Offline Browser
  376. # [23:47] <mikesusz> yep.
  377. # [23:47] <Rik`> homebrew is now the most interesting repository on Mac
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  379. # [23:49] <mikesusz> Rik` - i haven't checked that out yet but i've heard good things
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  381. # [23:49] <mikesusz> codepo8 - this doesn't look right. most influentual user in Boston: "jeresig" whoever that is ;)
  382. # [23:50] <Rik`> http://mxcl.github.com/homebrew/
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