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  36. # [03:53] <techrush> anyone have any input on a simple DJ style loop mixing app using <audio> and JS ?
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  38. # [04:00] <Jake7> Question: Has anyone run across a tutorial online for converting a html4 site over to html5? I'm doing it mostly as a educational thing.
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  66. # [07:53] <tw2113> anyone know of an easy solution to detect what doctype someone is using?
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  68. # [07:58] <cardona507> this cr-48 tracker is accurate http://addicted-gamer.com/cr48-tracker/
  69. # [07:59] <cardona507> i just checked out my town and there was only one number so I called UPS and checked it against my house and they confirmed that it's mine :D
  70. # [07:59] <cardona507> BOOM
  71. # [08:01] <cardona507> anyone else for sure getting one or got one already?
  72. # [08:05] <tw2113> can't claim yes
  73. # [08:05] <tw2113> i managed to get my head going on microformat stuff
  74. # [08:05] <tw2113> the problem is how things are declared based on which html version you're using
  75. # [08:06] <tw2113> i think html4/xhtml need profiles declared on the <head> tag while html5 moved it to <link rel="profile"> tags
  76. # [08:09] <tw2113> i wonder if i can get a WordPress plugin to do a string replace on someone's <head> tag
  77. # [08:10] <tw2113> might be a bit intrusive though....they'll look at their header.php file and see it normal, then the source will show something else
  78. # [08:10] <cardona507> that might be tricky
  79. # [08:11] <tw2113> yeah, at worst, i'll have to have this plugin leave notes saying "paste this in your <head> area"
  80. # [08:12] <tw2113> but it'd be nice to make all of this microformats stuff as automated as i can
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  118. # [13:34] <MrWax> how can I find out since what time a certain API is included in the HTML5 standard?
  119. # [13:34] <MrWax> For example, I would like to know this about web workers
  120. # [13:58] <Moo--> MrWax: try #whatwg working group channel
  121. # [14:01] <Ms2ger> He did
  122. # [14:06] <Moo--> :(
  123. # [14:06] <MrWax> ok but i know it now :P)
  124. # [14:06] <MrWax> :)
  125. # [14:06] <MrWax> Actually if anyone has any input on this (i dont know if this is the correct channel to ask in)
  126. # [14:07] <MrWax> I'm helding a small presentation in some days, and specifically i talk about what HTML5 can do for a web app (such as the CMS I develop some additions for)
  127. # [14:07] <MrWax> and now I'm trying to filter what's most appropriate
  128. # [14:07] <MrWax> I'm trying to give examples etc, but since the short duration of it (20 mins) i decided to just speak through the syntax changes (why and for what important etc) and in the second 15 mins discuss the 5 (HTML5) APIs that I consider as most valueable potential addition to the CMS
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  130. # [14:09] <MrWax> For now I'm going to talk about Offline Webapps (localStorage, IndexedDB, App cache), WebWorkers, but still looking for some appropriate things that are important for the CMS
  131. # [14:10] <MrWax> only those 2 of the 5 HTML API chapters are final, i'm still considering contenteditable as 3rd and 2 more
  132. # [14:15] <MrWax> The thing is i need to give concrete examples in what the APIs can do for the CMS (c.q. its end users)
  133. # [14:17] <Moo--> MrWax: is the WYSIWYG support becoming any better with html5?
  134. # [14:19] <MrWax> yes this is an good question to answer in the presentation
  135. # [14:21] <Wes-> MrWax: might be an idea in your presentation to mention to stay away from ws:// until the redesign
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  138. # [14:23] <MrWax> yea, but i have only 20 mins so i wont discuss ws anyway
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  184. # [18:07] <Boohemian> hi, does anyone here work in academia here? (in web dev)
  185. # [18:14] <_3Vince_> nope - but my office is in a University..
  186. # [18:14] <MadRat-> I drove by a university once
  187. # [18:14] <_3Vince_> Did you hit any students?
  188. # [18:15] <MadRat-> No I don't believe in violence
  189. # [18:15] <_3Vince_> I didn't mean on purpose ;p
  190. # [18:15] <_3Vince_> the students round here tend to stagger onto the round (even when sober)
  191. # [18:16] <MadRat-> They should put up those School Zone traffic signs
  192. # [18:17] <_3Vince_> they made the road a dead end instead - seems to work
  193. # [18:17] <MadRat-> I took some video of their nuclear reactor, both with the lights on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqTF1UgvDJQ
  194. # [18:17] <MadRat-> and the lights off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hTolYJnx5E
  195. # [18:18] <_3Vince_> but anyway, if you're looking for a (post-grad) student that does web development, I can probably find you one...
  196. # [18:19] <_3Vince_> I didn't realise nuclear reactors had so much water
  197. # [18:19] <_3Vince_> I mean I knew they *used* water....
  198. # [18:19] <_3Vince_> and that blue glow is erie
  199. # [18:19] <MadRat-> It's a TARGA reactor
  200. # [18:19] * _3Vince_ doesn't know a lot about reactors :]
  201. # [18:19] <MadRat-> It's not made for generating power os it's very different from other reactors
  202. # [18:19] <MadRat-> it's used for science experiments
  203. # [18:20] <_3Vince_> ah ok
  204. # [18:20] <_3Vince_> the blue glow is still erie :]
  205. # [18:20] <_3Vince_> is it actually blue, or is that more of a camera artifact?
  206. # [18:20] <MadRat-> Nuclear reactors release neutron radiation and neutron radiation can be blocked by hydrogen. But where to get all that hydrogen? H2O :)
  207. # [18:20] <MadRat-> No it's actually blue.
  208. # [18:21] <_3Vince_> cool
  209. # [18:21] <MadRat-> The speed of light is constant in a vacuum but it slows down in things like glass and water
  210. # [18:21] * _3Vince_ nods
  211. # [18:21] <MadRat-> The radiation coming out of the reactor is breaking the speed of light... IN WATER.
  212. # [18:21] <MadRat-> That causes a shock wave, just like a sonic boom
  213. # [18:22] <_3Vince_> snazzy
  214. # [18:22] <MadRat-> But instead of hearing a sound you see light.
  215. # [18:22] <_3Vince_> I really should take up physics again - I always forget how fascinated by it I am
  216. # [18:22] <MadRat-> The Russian guy who figured it all out won a Nobel prize for his work
  217. # [18:23] <_3Vince_> :]
  218. # [18:23] <_3Vince_> a guy I know was/is building a fusion reactor
  219. # [18:24] <_3Vince_> saw a few pretty pictures from it
  220. # [18:24] <MadRat-> I hope for the sake of all of us, it works :)
  221. # [18:25] <MadRat-> Although in my state, all our electricity comes from water and wind with a pinch of solar
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  223. # [18:26] <_3Vince_> I live in Scotland, most of our electricity is hydro too
  224. # [18:26] * Parts: tofik_ (~tofik@tofik.hio.no)
  225. # [18:26] <_3Vince_> the thing that gets me though is what they call 'pump-hydro' (think that's the correct term)
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  227. # [18:27] <_3Vince_> basically overnight the pump water up to the top of the hill, then during the day they let it back down and generate electricity with it
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  229. # [18:27] <_3Vince_> it costs less to pump the water up overnight than the elctricity sells for
  230. # [18:27] <_3Vince_> so while you haven't really generated anything, you still make a profit
  231. # [18:27] <MadRat-> I knew a girl who lived in Edinburgh and my wife is a descendant of the Bruce clan.
  232. # [18:27] <_3Vince_> Every American I've met claims lineage to Scotland ;]
  233. # [18:28] <MadRat-> I've never understood how that whole pump thing works either.
  234. # [18:28] <MadRat-> Not me, I'm Irish and British.
  235. # [18:28] <_3Vince_> it uses surplus electricity
  236. # [18:28] <_3Vince_> Overnight electricity rates are cheaper
  237. # [18:28] <_3Vince_> so they make use of that
  238. # [18:28] <_3Vince_> hell, my heating system makes use of that :]
  239. # [18:28] <MadRat-> Yeah not many people using power at night.
  240. # [18:29] <_3Vince_> yeah - and I guess you can only store the charge for so long before it becomes useless
  241. # [18:29] <MadRat-> I have electric heat as well.
  242. # [18:29] <_3Vince_> I'd kill for gas ;-]
  243. # [18:29] <_3Vince_> although that being said
  244. # [18:29] <_3Vince_> as everything in the flat is isolated, if my boiler goes it's not really a huge issue
  245. # [18:30] <_3Vince_> or if one heater goes etv
  246. # [18:30] <MadRat-> It heats our little house and it's cheap and doesn't add to polution
  247. # [18:30] <_3Vince_> *etc
  248. # [18:30] <_3Vince_> indeed :]
  249. # [18:30] <_3Vince_> I'm surprised at how well my house heats by solar power (large south facing windows ftw)
  250. # [18:30] <_3Vince_> I usually leave the heating off till about mid november
  251. # [18:31] <MadRat-> Wow, wish I could say that.
  252. # [18:31] <_3Vince_> It surprises a lot of my friends too..
  253. # [18:31] <MadRat-> I live in Oregon in the north west part of the United States so we get lots of light rain
  254. # [18:31] <_3Vince_> I allegedly live in Scotlands sunniest city
  255. # [18:32] <_3Vince_> it's bloody cold most of the time, but my front room pretty much acts like a greenhouse during the summer
  256. # [18:32] <MadRat-> Although 2/3rds of Oregon are desert. But no one thinks of Oregon and Washington as desert because no one lives where it's hot and dry.
  257. # [18:32] <_3Vince_> I did notice a slight drop in temperature when I took the carpet out and replaced it with laminate
  258. # [18:33] <_3Vince_> the north facing side of the flat gets a bit cooler
  259. # [18:33] <_3Vince_> but the bathroom, kitchen and spare room are on that side, so it's no real issue
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  261. # [18:33] <_3Vince_> (the fridge/freezer/cooker does a pretty good job of heating the kitchen)
  262. # [18:34] <_3Vince_> and I suppose - living in a flat I get any spillover heat from my neighbours
  263. # [18:34] <MadRat-> Heat rises
  264. # [18:34] <_3Vince_> indeed - and I'm not on the ground floor
  265. # [18:34] <_3Vince_> also get heat from either side
  266. # [18:34] <_3Vince_> to a lesser degree
  267. # [18:35] <_3Vince_> the heatings actually been on more this year - but that's because for the past few weeks the temperature has been an average of -3 with lows of -15
  268. # [18:35] <_3Vince_> (degrees C)
  269. # [18:36] <MadRat-> I've noticed that the UK has been getting cold, snowy weather.
  270. # [18:36] <_3Vince_> it's about 4c now afaik, so the heating is back down lower
  271. # [18:36] <MadRat-> Were I live the weather doesn't get like that until after Christmas.
  272. # [18:36] <_3Vince_> you'd think it was the first time we'd ever had it if the media is to believed...
  273. # [18:36] <MadRat-> heh :)
  274. # [18:36] <_3Vince_> it's quite rare here, but not unheard of
  275. # [18:37] <_3Vince_> especially here actually - I've been here 7 years and this is the longest lasting/heaviest snow I've seen
  276. # [18:37] <_3Vince_> however, where my parents are, it was exactly like this last Christmas
  277. # [18:37] <_3Vince_> they didn't get it as bad this year - so go figure
  278. # [18:38] <_3Vince_> I'm not a disbeliver in global warming, but lets just say I'm more than a little sceptical about the extent
  279. # [18:39] <_3Vince_> heh I seem to have deviated a little from the question of academic web developers :X
  280. # [18:40] <MadRat-> They've been having some bad luck with were the UN climate talks have been held. People were getting frostbite at the last one and this time in Mexico they got hit with the coldest temperatures in 100 years.
  281. # [18:41] <_3Vince_> that's kind of my point... "in 100 years" meaning... "it's been this cold before"
  282. # [18:41] <_3Vince_> there's a slight lack of conclusive statistics (although a lot of them are quite convincing - don't get me wrong)
  283. # [18:42] <_3Vince_> and I'm all in favour of conserving our resources and using renewable and clean energy sources - I mean that's just common sense
  284. # [18:43] <_3Vince_> actually, pump hyrdo got me thinking
  285. # [18:43] <MadRat-> Don't worry, I drive a car that gets 40MPG, heat my home with electricity that comes from renewable energy, put more in my recycle bin than garbage can and my wife's employer (a hospital) has her working at home over the internet
  286. # [18:43] <_3Vince_> one could surely dig a well/build a tower
  287. # [18:44] <_3Vince_> and use cheaper overnight/surplus electricity to rise some kind of weight
  288. # [18:44] <_3Vince_> storing the energy as kinect energy
  289. # [18:44] <_3Vince_> it could then be released on demand
  290. # [18:44] <_3Vince_> actually - that's pretty much how the tower bridge of London worked in the victorian era
  291. # [18:45] <_3Vince_> I wonder how the numbers would run on such a scheme - I suspect not favourably or it'd have been done by now
  292. # [18:45] <MadRat-> That's something I don't know about.
  293. # [18:45] <_3Vince_> I watched a discovery channel show on it :]
  294. # [18:45] <_3Vince_> then dragged my girlfriend round the Tower's engine room when we visited London
  295. # [18:46] <MadRat-> I wish I could see it.
  296. # [18:46] <_3Vince_> basically because the steam engines were pretty ineffecient they had to run all day
  297. # [18:46] <_3Vince_> but that meant they were producing energy when it wasn't required
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  299. # [18:46] <_3Vince_> so they stored it in hyrdrolic weights
  300. # [18:46] <MadRat-> I keep wondering about the culture of my ancestors. Then again, you'd be amazed how hard it is just to get a good shepherd's pie in the US
  301. # [18:47] <_3Vince_> so when the engine wasn't up to speed or whatever, they could just drop the weights and the bridge would open
  302. # [18:47] <_3Vince_> hehe - you'd be amazed how hard it is to get a good one in the uk ;]
  303. # [18:47] <MadRat-> Heh
  304. # [18:47] <_3Vince_> if you want a good shepards pie, mash your own potatoes and cook your own mince ;-)
  305. # [18:48] <_3Vince_> I've even taken to making my own chips (fries) of late
  306. # [18:48] <_3Vince_> got given a deepfat fryer by my girlfriends grandmother
  307. # [18:48] <_3Vince_> so I sliced up a bunch of potatoes and chucked it in
  308. # [18:48] <_3Vince_> turns out they tast nicer than store bought oven chips and a lot cheaper too
  309. # [18:48] <_3Vince_> and we don't eat them that often, so the extra fat in them from deep fat frying them is of little concern
  310. # [18:49] <MadRat-> I saw a nuclear reactor that used a system like that for emergency hydraulic power. They put giant drums in a room and filled them full of river rocks. If the pumps went down the drums would slowly fall and provide pressure in the hydraulic lines until the reactor could shut down.
  311. # [18:49] <_3Vince_> yeah - that's pretty much how the tower bridge worked
  312. # [18:49] <_3Vince_> of course, now the engines are capable of working on demand so it's no longer required
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  314. # [18:50] <_3Vince_> and on green living, I cycle everywhere, on a bike I built myself from a recycled frame
  315. # [18:50] <_3Vince_> it's not because I'm eco friendly, it's just because I thought it'd be fun to build heh :]
  316. # [18:50] <MadRat-> It's easy to get fish 'n' chips in the US but other pub grub is almost impossible. No bangers and mash, no plowman's lunch... nothing.
  317. # [18:51] <_3Vince_> hehe
  318. # [18:51] <_3Vince_> steak pies?
  319. # [18:51] <MadRat-> We call them beef pies but those you can get
  320. # [18:51] <_3Vince_> I'm not sure I could live somewhere where I couldn't get a good steak pie
  321. # [18:52] <_3Vince_> though strangely enough... my favorite British cuisne is...
  322. # [18:52] <_3Vince_> ...curry.
  323. # [18:52] <MadRat-> I've been thinking of taking up braising. I need to add a hinge to my computer case and I think that would be a good, first, braising project.
  324. # [18:52] <MadRat-> I don't usually associate Britain with curry.
  325. # [18:53] <_3Vince_> building a bicycle is pretty easy to be honest, it's mostly just getting the right parts and putting it together
  326. # [18:53] <_3Vince_> yeah, most people don't, but it's one of the top British dishes
  327. # [18:53] <_3Vince_> and despite it's indian origin, it is most definately British
  328. # [18:53] <_3Vince_> Legend has it that the Chicken Tikka was invented in Glasgow, Scotland
  329. # [18:54] <MadRat-> People associate tea with Britain and that's from China. India was part of the Empire not so long ago.
  330. # [18:54] <_3Vince_> indeed
  331. # [18:55] <MadRat-> Heh, chow mein and fortune cookies are from the United States :>
  332. # [18:55] <_3Vince_> British Curry is similar to Indian curry, but over the years been more finely tuned to the British palette
  333. # [18:55] <_3Vince_> my spelling is especially awful today... shouldn't have had that beer at lunch!
  334. # [18:56] <_3Vince_> hehe, here we go, from wikipedia...
  335. # [18:56] <_3Vince_> Curry has become an integral part of British cuisine, so much so that, since the late 1990s, Chicken Tikka Masala has been referred to as "a true British national dish".[21] It is now available on Intercity rail trains, as a flavour for crisps, and even as a pizza topping.
  336. # [18:57] <MadRat-> I wonder if I can eat curry. There's a flaw in my nervous system and when I eat certain food part of my brain goes haywire and I get a migraine.
  337. # [18:57] <_3Vince_> eep
  338. # [18:58] <MadRat-> I can't feel the going haywire part but I sure can feel the migraine that comes after it -_-
  339. # [18:58] <_3Vince_> capsicum is a hallogcenogenic and is found in most curries...
  340. # [18:58] <MadRat-> I've never heard that before.
  341. # [18:59] <_3Vince_> it's the the genus of plants that peppers and chillies came from
  342. # [18:59] <MadRat-> Heh, maybe it's all the burning that makes you hallucinate :>
  343. # [18:59] <MadRat-> Yes I know
  344. # [18:59] <_3Vince_> oh right, with you
  345. # [19:00] <MadRat-> Interestingly the hottest peppers in the world are grown by the patients in an insane asylum.
  346. # [19:00] <nimbupani> hey _3Vince_ there is no such thing as "Indian curry"
  347. # [19:01] <_3Vince_> nimbupani: well, yes, it's regional, isn't it?
  348. # [19:02] * _3Vince_ appreciates that defining it as Indian is pretty ignorant :]
  349. # [19:02] <nimbupani> yeah i have never heard any cuisine which uses curry in the terms it is used outside India
  350. # [19:02] <_3Vince_> but I also live in a country that people routinely mistake for England ;P
  351. # [19:02] <MadRat-> The Japanese have curry dishes
  352. # [19:03] <_3Vince_> as do the Chinese... well at least the Anglo-Chinese
  353. # [19:03] <_3Vince_> most of the fish and chip shops here will give you curry sauce for your chips if you ask for it too
  354. # [19:04] <_3Vince_> (interestingly, fish and chip shops are typically of Italian descent)
  355. # [19:04] <MadRat-> they are? o_o
  356. # [19:05] <_3Vince_> yep
  357. # [19:05] <_3Vince_> the Italians came over en masse and set up ice cream shops and chip shops
  358. # [19:05] <MadRat-> Heh, I'm an American. Italian food means either pasta or pizza to me :>
  359. # [19:05] <_3Vince_> and now it's a typically British food
  360. # [19:05] <_3Vince_> this is why racism is utterly pointless :p
  361. # [19:06] <_3Vince_> I don't quite know how they came up with fish and chips
  362. # [19:06] <_3Vince_> but afaik it was the Italians
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  364. # [19:08] <_3Vince_> but yeah, if you find a family run fish and chip shop here (of which there are many) you'll usually find Italian blood too
  365. # [19:08] * _3Vince_ shrugs
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  369. # [19:13] <tw2113> hide your women, paul_irish is here
  370. # [19:15] <paul_irish> hai ladies
  371. # [19:18] <tw2113> oh wait, what am i thinking...guys don't bring their ladies to IRC
  372. # [19:19] <tw2113> they bring them along to the conferences they attend
  373. # [19:19] <nimbupani> geez tw2113
  374. # [19:19] <nimbupani> there are not just men here.
  375. # [19:20] <tw2113> are you hiding your woman nimbupani ?
  376. # [19:20] <tw2113> :P
  377. # [19:20] <nimbupani> excuse me tw2113?
  378. # [19:20] <tw2113> i'm teasing
  379. # [19:20] <tw2113> don't hurt me *cowers*
  380. # [19:21] <MadRat-> nimbupani: There are no girls on the internet http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/there-are-no-girls-on-the-internet
  381. # [19:21] <MadRat-> :>
  382. # [19:21] <tw2113> to be fair, i never said anything about the girls that come here on their own accord
  383. # [19:22] <tw2113> which is clearly your situation :)
  384. # [19:22] <paul_irish> we have like 4 women in this channel
  385. # [19:22] <paul_irish> FOUR
  386. # [19:22] <MadRat-> http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/25080
  387. # [19:22] <paul_irish> hah
  388. # [19:22] <MadRat-> (And yes I'm joking) :)
  389. # [19:23] <tw2113> we all are, we <3 you nimbupani
  390. # [19:23] <tw2113> and we <3 the other 3 that i don't know about
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  392. # [19:26] <tw2113> mmmmm burgers
  393. # [19:35] <_3Vince_> that whole meme is a large contributing factor to itself.
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