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  1. # Session Start: Mon Dec 13 00:00:00 2010
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:01] <paul_irish> thomasp: browsers dont care.
  4. # [00:02] <krijnh> Careless basterds, that's what they are
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  8. # [00:13] <snover> of course the answer to the question is “no, it makes no sense whatsoever, you are serving html5, what sort of question is that”
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  20. # [01:21] <Shwaiil> Q: I was going to start learning Actionscript, to start a new game project, but I guess its better to do it trough HTML5, maybe makes more sense ? Any comments ? Thanks
  21. # [01:22] <Shwaiil> (*) I'm right now searching for tutorials on game dev trough html5
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  25. # [01:29] <tw2113> make sure that html5 and javascript can do what you want the game to do first
  26. # [01:30] <tw2113> if flash is the best option, it'd be dumb not to go with it
  27. # [01:30] <tw2113> if dedicated enough, do both
  28. # [01:31] <paul_irish> Shwaiil: http://www.html5canvastutorials.com/
  29. # [01:32] <Shwaiil> tks I'll have a look
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  45. # [03:17] <dilvie> Game dev in HTML5 + JavaScript is still very young, but I've seen some pretty cool examples. You'd be pioneering and rolling a lot of your own stuff, but that can be fun and educational.
  46. # [03:18] <dilvie> <-- chiming in late.
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  127. # [08:28] * tw2113 slugs cardona507
  128. # [08:31] <tw2113> :D
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  130. # [08:32] <cardona507> :)
  131. # [08:33] <cardona507> ouch
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  133. # [08:33] <cardona507> damn wordpress community
  134. # [08:33] <tw2113> what about us
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  136. # [08:34] <cardona507> actually i had a person contact me today about a wordpress job
  137. # [08:34] <tw2113> cool
  138. # [08:34] <cardona507> now that i'm freelance again a'hem
  139. # [08:34] <cardona507> speaking of html5...
  140. # [08:35] <cardona507> I just got a gig helping a guy visualize 14 years worth of business data using http://vis.stanford.edu/protovis/
  141. # [08:35] <cardona507> pretty cool so far
  142. # [08:35] <cardona507> lots of pretty graphs
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  144. # [08:35] <tw2113> nice one
  145. # [08:35] <tw2113> i return to my office tomorrow :)
  146. # [08:35] <cardona507> though i ain't gonna lie it's been a biatch tryin to deal with php arrays :/
  147. # [08:35] <tw2113> i don't mind
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  149. # [08:36] <cardona507> i don't mind either its just that I didn't have that much experience
  150. # [08:37] <cardona507> but I do now ;)
  151. # [08:37] <tw2113> i meant with the office job
  152. # [08:37] <cardona507> not much but some
  153. # [08:37] <cardona507> oh
  154. # [08:37] <cardona507> doh
  155. # [08:37] <cardona507> i didn't see that
  156. # [08:37] <cardona507> what is your office job?
  157. # [08:37] <tw2113> i did security officer work and kfc before this one
  158. # [08:37] <cardona507> :)
  159. # [08:37] <tw2113> web development, i do a ton with WordPress myself
  160. # [08:37] <cardona507> nice
  161. # [08:37] <cardona507> wordpress ftw
  162. # [08:37] <cardona507> i have built quite a few wordpress sites myself
  163. # [08:37] <tw2113> hopefully within the next couple days, my last project launches
  164. # [08:38] <tw2113> html5 semantic elements used all over, looks decent enough in IE and all major browsers
  165. # [08:38] <tw2113> not so much css3, but that's a design issue
  166. # [08:38] <cardona507> what was your solution regarding the doctype thing?
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  169. # [08:39] <tw2113> don't have one yet
  170. # [08:39] <tw2113> file_get_contents was too slow, and i was getting internal 500 errors with fopen/fread/fclose
  171. # [08:45] <tw2113> disappointing, but i can just give the user a note somehow with instructions on what microformat profile to use and where to put it
  172. # [08:46] <tw2113> if they know enough to know about microformats anyway, chances are they can edit their header.php file
  173. # [08:46] <cardona507> hmmm - that sounds like an advanced user
  174. # [08:46] <cardona507> or at least an aware user
  175. # [08:47] <tw2113> all this plugin does is create a widget for the hcard
  176. # [08:47] <cardona507> ahh
  177. # [08:47] <cardona507> i c
  178. # [08:47] <tw2113> originally was going to echo the hcard profile into wp_head() but that doesn't quite work for anyone not using html5
  179. # [08:50] <tw2113> i am looking to offer the option to provide a link for a .vcf download too :)
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  181. # [08:53] <tw2113> catch ya later cardona507
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  188. # [09:35] <cardona507> SVG ladies and gents http://www.cardonadesigns.com/dsi/project1-12.10.10/
  189. # [09:36] <cardona507> and a little CSS3 -webkit-transform: rotate(90deg); FTW
  190. # [09:39] <cardona507> helvetica font-weight 200 = sweetsauce
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  203. # [10:43] <cardona507> classic paul_irish blurb http://letteringjs.com/
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  296. # [17:32] <Michael> paul_irish !
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  304. # [17:56] <paul_irish> hi Michael
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  306. # [17:56] <paul_irish> hope you had a nice honeymooon
  307. # [17:57] <Michael> I did! Thank you. Lots of snowboarding and hiking and Irish coffee
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  315. # [18:23] <JonathanNeal> Hola
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  318. # [18:27] <JonathanNeal> http://www.iecss.com/whatwg-base.css
  319. # [18:27] <JonathanNeal> Thoughts?
  320. # [18:28] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://sixrevisions.com/css/a-comprehensive-guide-to-css-resets/
  321. # [18:28] <paul_irish> also JonathanNeal ^
  322. # [18:28] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish, I'll check it out, though you know how I hate most if not all resets.
  323. # [18:28] <paul_irish> :)
  324. # [18:28] <nimbupani> yeah i saw paul_irish :)
  325. # [18:28] <nimbupani> BOILERPLATE
  326. # [18:30] <JonathanNeal> Stupid eric meyer and his div margin 0 padding 0 bull
  327. # [18:31] <cardona507> JonathanNeal: why do you hate resets?
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  329. # [18:31] <cardona507> by the way that is cool ^^ :)
  330. # [18:32] <JonathanNeal> cardona507, because I don't agree with approaches that reset divs, which are always "reset". I almost question the intelligence of persons who continue to include this, and i tell myself "they're just scared because they know the last reset guy did it"
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  332. # [18:32] <JonathanNeal> But I've yet to see any evidence of its usefulness, which makes me question the entire thing.
  333. # [18:39] <cardona507> yeah I guess I can admit that it's the fear that causes me to use them
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  339. # [18:48] <Michael> paul_irish, Do you know of any alternative fallbacks to CSS3PIE for IE8 to make rounded corners and gradients?
  340. # [18:48] <paul_irish> nope
  341. # [18:48] <Michael> We're getting pushback because we're not permitted to use OSS beta releases
  342. # [18:48] <paul_irish> lol
  343. # [18:48] <Michael> And the guy said 'maybe I'll make a stable release in 6 months'
  344. # [18:49] <JonathanNeal> huh
  345. # [18:52] <MrWax> how much exact new tags are there currently in the html5 spec?
  346. # [18:52] <MrWax> does anyone know where i can find this?
  347. # [18:52] <nimbupani> yeah the appendix of the html5 spec i think
  348. # [18:52] <nimbupani> http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/
  349. # [18:53] <nimbupani> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-index.html#elements-1
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  351. # [18:56] <MrWax> thanks
  352. # [18:56] <MrWax> oh wait
  353. # [18:56] <MrWax> dont have much time to count and calc them all
  354. # [18:57] <Michael> ruby & stdin++
  355. # [18:57] <MrWax> yea but i dont know on top of my head which are new and not new, i mean for 90% i know it
  356. # [18:57] <MrWax> but just want to be sure, i couldnt find anything googling
  357. # [18:58] <Michael> You'd probably have better luck looking at paul_irish's modernizr source for ie
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  359. # [19:00] <MrWax> Michael: How do you mean?
  360. # [19:01] <Michael> var elems = 'abbr|article|aside|audio|canvas|details|figcaption|figure|footer|header|hgroup|mark|meter|nav|output|progress|section|summary|time|video',
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  362. # [19:01] <Michael> From https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/blob/master/modernizr.js
  363. # [19:05] <MrWax> ok thanks
  364. # [19:05] <MrWax> i thikn there are some more but i look it up
  365. # [19:05] <Michael> ok np
  366. # [19:06] <MrWax> the fact that html5 is backwards compatible mainly points in the fact that all uses of html4 will still be interpretable using the new doctype right?
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  368. # [19:08] <Pewpewarrows> Michael, have you looked into the ie7.js library for bringing rounded corners and gradients?
  369. # [19:08] <Michael> No. I will look that up! Thank you
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  373. # [19:09] <Pewpewarrows> Michael, I'd be a tad careful and make sure you check the site in IE7 before rolling that out though, I'm running into a nasty bug where it rips out all the css styles and forgets to re-apply them
  374. # [19:09] <Michael> Oh wow.
  375. # [19:10] <Michael> Does it do rounded corners and gradients?
  376. # [19:10] <Pewpewarrows> it should do most everything to bring css stuff to legacy IEs
  377. # [19:10] <Pewpewarrows> I remember it making rounded corners and gradients work, but my memory might be failing me
  378. # [19:11] <Pewpewarrows> and yes I realize "legacy IEs" is redundant
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  381. # [19:12] <Michael> lol
  382. # [19:12] <Michael> Thank you for that
  383. # [19:12] <Michael> No it doesn't seem to do borders or gradients
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  385. # [19:13] <Michael> but does add a lot of CSS3 selectors
  386. # [19:13] <Pewpewarrows> ugh, sorry
  387. # [19:13] <Michael> No, it's good to know that's out there
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  390. # [19:14] <Pewpewarrows> worst case scenario to appease pointy-haired bosses: fork CSS3PIE and add a release tag to it
  391. # [19:14] <Pewpewarrows> although I'm not sure how happy the authors would be about that
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  393. # [19:17] <Michael> Probably not lol
  394. # [19:17] <Michael> Especially with a company like Disney doing it. My argument would be "Couldn't you have paid me to make it stable?"
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  396. # [19:19] <JonathanNeal> Just got some help updating http://www.iecss.com/whatwg.css (which is the html5 presentational hints ported into a css file)
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  405. # [19:39] <Michael> JonathanNeal, nice
  406. # [19:39] <Michael> Tweet
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  413. # [19:48] <Michael> JonathanNeal, what is :any ?
  414. # [19:49] <JonathanNeal> Michael, hypothetical selectors that I believe are in some spec but not implemented by most browsers.
  415. # [19:49] <Michael> ohh. No links on those?
  416. # [19:49] <JonathanNeal> I'm going to begin maintaining a separate classname-based base.
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  418. # [20:01] <Michael> I thought it was like a LINT file for all css3
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  420. # [20:03] <JonathanNeal> Here you go Michael http://www.iecss.com/whatwg-class-based.css
  421. # [20:04] <Michael> okay so that is like a LINT file right?
  422. # [20:04] <Michael> And I'm using "LINT" because that was the FreeBSD default kernel file which contained all possible key/values
  423. # [20:04] <Michael> so maybe that isn't a common term
  424. # [20:05] <JonathanNeal> I don't know what you mean by Lint.
  425. # [20:05] <Michael> n/m I'm jetlagged and not explaining things properly
  426. # [20:05] <JonathanNeal> But this is basically this page http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/rendering.html#rendering in css form.
  427. # [20:07] <Michael> Oh I see
  428. # [20:07] <Michael> That makes sense
  429. # [20:09] <Michael> JonathanNeal, So are you matching the rendering of say FireFox?
  430. # [20:09] <JonathanNeal> Michael, no matching the rendering specified by whatwg.
  431. # [20:09] <Michael> oh.
  432. # [20:10] <Michael> I'm going to stop asking questions
  433. # [20:10] <JonathanNeal> No, don't worry about it :)
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  435. # [20:10] <Michael> I'm like totally out of it. I still feel like I'm on pacific time
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  437. # [20:13] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://yearinreview.twitter.com/
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  440. # [20:15] <nimbupani> IS THAT BOILER!!!
  441. # [20:15] <nimbupani> OMG
  442. # [20:16] <nimbupani> TWEET IT paul_irish
  443. # [20:16] <paul_irish> so meta.
  444. # [20:17] <tw2113> hi guis
  445. # [20:17] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha madhuri dixit on the list
  446. # [20:17] <nimbupani> so awes
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  449. # [20:25] <paul_irish> added snow http://paulirish.com/
  450. # [20:26] <paul_irish> CPU burning snow.
  451. # [20:26] <nimbupani> it looks awes.
  452. # [20:26] <bckenny> snow melting snow
  453. # [20:26] <nimbupani> on opera too!
  454. # [20:26] <nimbupani> :P
  455. # [20:28] <Sosby> its pretty
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  457. # [20:32] <nimbupani> paul_irish: are you tweeting that twitter trends on boiler_plate? else I can laterbro it.
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  460. # [20:35] <paul_irish> Twitter's own Year In Review. http://yearinreview.twitter.com #bornebyboilerplate
  461. # [20:35] <paul_irish> nimbupani: can u laterbro that
  462. # [20:35] <nimbupani> yeah
  463. # [20:35] <nimbupani> i am gonna remove "own"
  464. # [20:35] <nimbupani> its self referential
  465. # [20:36] <paul_irish> OKAY
  466. # [20:36] <paul_irish> keep the full URL. no bitlyy
  467. # [20:36] <nimbupani> yeah
  468. # [20:36] <nimbupani> tomorrow at 8?
  469. # [20:37] <paul_irish> sure
  470. # [20:37] <nimbupani> done
  471. # [20:37] <paul_irish> nimbupani: btw ivan found it
  472. # [20:37] <nimbupani> oh you wanna credit him?
  473. # [20:38] <nimbupani> it would be nice.
  474. # [20:38] <nimbupani> Twitter's Year In Review: http://yearinreview.twitter.com #bornebyboilerplate /ht @niksy
  475. # [20:40] <paul_irish> ilikeit
  476. # [20:40] <paul_irish> brb
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  491. # [20:50] <MrWax> the fact that html5 is backwards compatible mainly points in the fact that all uses of html4 will still be interpretable using the new doctype right?
  492. # [20:51] <Michael> That seems like it would be up to the browsers
  493. # [20:51] <nimbupani> yes. some are deprecated.
  494. # [20:51] <Michael> I haven't seen anything in the spec about that
  495. # [20:51] <nimbupani> like frames
  496. # [20:51] <Michael> aww my favorite
  497. # [20:57] <Pewpewarrows> this animation library for canvas is pretty neat: https://github.com/biilly/doodle-js
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  499. # [20:59] <Michael> pewpew qq
  500. # [21:01] <jamund> Is placeholder only supposed to work where [type=text] and not type=password as well?
  501. # [21:01] <Michael> Probably
  502. # [21:02] <Michael> What you're doing I did on tigerwoodsonline.ea.com
  503. # [21:02] <Michael> I had to use JS to swap a text input with password when the user focused on the password field
  504. # [21:02] <jamund> so annoying!
  505. # [21:02] <jamund> thanks for the tip though
  506. # [21:02] <Michael> yeah
  507. # [21:02] <Michael> np
  508. # [21:03] <Michael> It would be cool to have type="password" have a showpassword option
  509. # [21:03] <Michael> Since a lot of smartphones have that in the UI now. It would integrate well
  510. # [21:03] <Michael> s/have/had
  511. # [21:06] <jamund> yeah. :-/
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  513. # [21:10] <Pewpewarrows> Michael, oh that's a good idea, much better than this buggy formLabels jquery plugin I ended up using on a past project :/
  514. # [21:11] <Michael> Oh? I never heard of it
  515. # [21:11] <Pewpewarrows> it was pretty neat at first, adds a div hovering over the input fields that fades out on focus
  516. # [21:12] <Pewpewarrows> but in practice it would constantly get the positioning wrong and never played nicely cross-browser
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  524. # [21:23] <jamund> Michael: you think there's some reason why placeholder doesn't work on passwords? wonder if it's something we can comment on still
  525. # [21:23] <Michael> Have you tried it?
  526. # [21:23] <Michael> I haven't
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  529. # [21:25] <Michael> jamund, It does work!
  530. # [21:25] <Michael> At least in Chrome
  531. # [21:25] <Michael> and Pewpewarrows ^^
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  534. # [21:25] <jamund> hmm!
  535. # [21:30] <mokush> how the hell does the css3 general sibling combinator ~ work?
  536. # [21:31] <JonathanNeal> boiler needs a better css base!
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  538. # [21:33] <nimbupani> suggest away JonathanNeal!
  539. # [21:33] <nimbupani> what would you like to know mokush
  540. # [21:33] <JonathanNeal> prove why div { margin: 0; padding: 0; } is important, or use a reset that doesn't include it (for starters)
  541. # [21:34] <JonathanNeal> Have an answer for every "set".
  542. # [21:34] <JonathanNeal> Like a wiki.
  543. # [21:34] <nimbupani> well I agree JonathanNeal div reset is stupid.
  544. # [21:34] <nimbupani> coz it doesnt have margin/padding by default.
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  546. # [21:35] <nimbupani> i dont have answer for every 'set' but have for some of the options.
  547. # [21:35] <JonathanNeal> I don't trust a reset that does this, I feel like it proves they themselves don't know what is going on, they just know some of the major outliners they've put into their own "cut".
  548. # [21:35] <JonathanNeal> They know why they added width: auto to a button, but not why they reset half that stuff.
  549. # [21:36] <nimbupani> i know this quotes shit is sadly necesasry
  550. # [21:36] <nimbupani> coz webkit does not know what "quotes" mean.
  551. # [21:36] <nimbupani> and you cant do outline: o on a
  552. # [21:36] <nimbupani> 0*
  553. # [21:36] <mokush> nimbupani: isn't the ~ selector supposed to target the element anywhere is it(in any container), as long as it's *after my element?
  554. # [21:36] <JonathanNeal> It's really bad when you actually look at it.
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  563. # [21:51] <mokush> so, if I'm using "E ~ F", both nodes need to be on the same level?
  564. # [21:54] <Pewpewarrows> mokush, "The elements dont have to be adjacent siblings, but they have to have the same parent"
  565. # [21:54] <mokush> well they have the same parent.. the <body>...
  566. # [21:55] <nimbupani> yeah. they need to have sale parent
  567. # [21:55] <nimbupani> same*
  568. # [21:55] <Pewpewarrows> so "E ~ F" would match all F's that occur after the E and are at the same "indentation" level as E
  569. # [21:55] <mokush> that's just sad. so is there a way to target something like any-element-on-page?
  570. # [21:56] <Pewpewarrows> (not that it doesn't actually look at indentation whitespace, I'm just using it as a description)
  571. # [21:57] <Pewpewarrows> mokush, won't the general CSS selector work for that? "F {}"
  572. # [21:57] <mokush> I'm looking for something to use with E:focus ~ #lost-in-dom
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  574. # [21:58] <Pewpewarrows> well first you should never qualify an id selector
  575. # [21:58] <Pewpewarrows> #lost-in-dom would work
  576. # [21:59] <Pewpewarrows> it should only ever appear once, so there's no reason to narrow your selection before it
  577. # [22:00] <mokush> I'm trying to replace js onclick with :focus. That's why I'm looking for something like this.
  578. # [22:00] <mokush> It's not because I want to narrow it down
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  588. # [22:15] <dilvie> is there any way to use css3 pie without attaching the pie behavior to every single class where you specify css3 settings?
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  591. # [22:16] <dilvie> paul_irish: Is it necessary to use CSS3 Pie to get CSS3 in IE6 if we're already using Boilerplate?
  592. # [22:16] <paul_irish> ya
  593. # [22:16] <paul_irish> dilvie: there is a new api for attaching pie to your elements via script
  594. # [22:17] <paul_irish> its in the newest version
  595. # [22:17] <dilvie> where is it documented?
  596. # [22:17] <nimbupani> ?g css3pie
  597. # [22:17] <bot-t> nimbupani, CSS3 PIE: CSS3 decorations for IE - http://css3pie.com/
  598. # [22:18] <nimbupani> dilvie: http://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/wiki/
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  601. # [22:21] <dilvie> paul_irish: Does that only work with the JS version?
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  603. # [22:21] <paul_irish> ?tias @ dilvie
  604. # [22:21] <bot-t> dilvie, Try It And See
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  611. # [22:24] <Pewpewarrows> mokush, sorry, I still don't understand why you're using that selector then. what exactly are you trying to do?
  612. # [22:25] <mokush> Pewpewarrows: I'll set up a fiddle to show you what I mean. But I don't it's possible with the elements being in the same container.
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  614. # [22:29] <mokush> Pewpewarrows: http://jsfiddle.net/6fKYK/
  615. # [22:30] <Pewpewarrows> mokush, ill take a look
  616. # [22:30] <mokush> Pewpewarrows: thanks!
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  618. # [22:31] <nimbupani> yeah that wont work mokush coz its in two separate elements.
  619. # [22:31] <nimbupani> rather they have different parents.
  620. # [22:31] <mokush> nimbupani: so there's no way to target nodes with different imediate parrents?
  621. # [22:32] <nimbupani> you would have to use javascript for this.
  622. # [22:32] <Pewpewarrows> throw a class on the parent elements and just do a normal child selector
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  627. # [22:37] <Pewpewarrows> mokush, does the element you're actually trying to target actually have an id? or was that just for demonstration on fiddle?
  628. # [22:38] <mokush> just for demoing.
  629. # [22:38] <mokush> it doesn't necessarily have to be targeted by id
  630. # [22:39] <Pewpewarrows> because I can't even get it to work with your "working" example
  631. # [22:39] <mokush> Pewpewarrows: are you using chrome?
  632. # [22:39] <Pewpewarrows> yessir
  633. # [22:39] <mokush> try firefox, there's something really fishy with webkit and ~
  634. # [22:42] <Pewpewarrows> mokush, yep, see it now
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  637. # [22:47] <mokush> Pewpewarrows: so, any ideas?
  638. # [22:48] <Pewpewarrows> <Pewpewarrows> throw a class on the parent elements and just do a normal child selector
  639. # [22:48] <Pewpewarrows> ?
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  642. # [22:52] <paul_irish> apparently i did that today.
  643. # [22:52] <paul_irish> its the snow.
  644. # [22:52] <paul_irish> happy holidays.
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  648. # [22:57] <paul_irish> tw2113: can you refresh and try again
  649. # [22:57] <paul_irish> i thinkifixedit
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  651. # [22:58] <tw2113> i was just going based off a tweet really
  652. # [22:58] <paul_irish> O
  653. # [22:59] <tw2113> http://twitter.com/#!/markjaquith/statuses/14435627453915136
  654. # [22:59] <paul_irish> ya
  655. # [22:59] <paul_irish> ok
  656. # [22:59] <tw2113> :D
  657. # [23:00] <tw2113> lawl...Forbes has a sense of humor "We haven?t finished analyzing the file to determine how many users had 1-2-3-4-5, the combination on my luggage."
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  660. # [23:04] <xonecas> What is the best approach to asynchronous loading of scripts? I've been looking at using $LAB
  661. # [23:04] <xonecas> And do I need to change something in boilerplate to accomodate?
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  666. # [23:10] <paul_irish> xonecas: i'd recommend looking into yepnope
  667. # [23:10] <paul_irish> LAB is very unfriendly to debuggers.
  668. # [23:11] <paul_irish> and youdont really need to change anything no
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  672. # [23:18] <xonecas> paul_irish: thanks, I'll look into it.
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  678. # [23:41] <dilvie> does yepnope allow you to wait for one script to finish loading before executing the next one?
  679. # [23:42] <dilvie> LAB does, with a pretty simple interface. I'm currently wrapping LAB to power the module loading for the Zumba architecture.
  680. # [23:43] <dilvie> Google is my friend.
  681. # [23:43] <dilvie> yepnope just wraps LAB. =)
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  685. # [23:48] <paul_irish> dilvie: the newest version doesnt.
  686. # [23:48] <paul_irish> but yes of course you can do that.
  687. # [23:48] <dilvie> oh. I guess the yepnope doc needs to be updated.
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  690. # [23:49] <dilvie> paul_irish: How is yepnope more friendly to debuggers?
  691. # [23:50] <paul_irish> labjs does this crazy XHR trick
  692. # [23:50] <dilvie> That's an important consideration. This is why I wrapped module loading into our core architecture, so that I can easily swap out the implementation if we need to. =)
  693. # [23:50] <paul_irish> as a result when you open it up in firebug or webkit inspector.. you dont see the scripts you loaded in the Scripts panel
  694. # [23:50] <dilvie> d'oh!
  695. # [23:50] <dilvie> I haven't even noticed that. =)
  696. # [23:51] <dilvie> I mean, I knew about the crazy XHR trick, but I didn't think about that side effect.
  697. # [23:52] <dilvie> but my wrapper only uses lab in production.. when we're working off develop, it uses a different build process and just uses vanilla <stript> elements to load the modules.
  698. # [23:52] <dilvie> so that shouldn't be a big deal unless we're trying to debug the production build.
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  700. # [23:54] <xonecas> I'm having good results with the latest yepnope
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