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  1. # Session Start: Tue Dec 14 00:00:00 2010
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  6. # [00:06] <MrWax> Could anyone maybe give an example what the worker api could do/fix for a CMS ?
  7. # [00:09] <xonecas> MrWax: if you have, lets say a very big <ul> that is generated dynamicaly then you can use a web worker to proccess all the date into HTML <li>'s and append it to the dom with the call back
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  9. # [00:09] <xonecas> I'm sure there are a lot of better uses for it, but I lack the examples :-)
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  12. # [00:12] <pa7> any resource intensive data manipulation process without blocking the page.. depends on the functionality of the cms ;)
  13. # [00:12] <bot-t> (94 hours 40 mins ago) <paul_irish> tell pa7 thx man! we got it resolved. appreciate the report.
  14. # [00:13] <pa7> if you're developing a cms which includes image (content) manipulation.. why not *g*
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  18. # [00:21] <MrWax> xonecas: thanks a lot thats what i needed
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  24. # [00:29] <JonathanNeal> Hola
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  37. # [01:00] <xonecas> np MrWax :-)
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  41. # [01:06] <JonathanNeal> see ya xonecas
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  43. # [01:15] <monteslu> made a collaborative chat/whiteboard with html5boilerplate, dojo, and appengine channel API,: http://goo.gl/5GoOh
  44. # [01:15] <monteslu> html5boilerplate is really cool. Thanks, paul_irish
  45. # [01:15] <paul_irish> :)
  46. # [01:17] <nimbupani> haha sweet monteslu
  47. # [01:18] <paul_irish> http://azpdemo.appspot.com/whiteboard/agdhenBkZW1vchILEgpXaGl0ZUJvYXJkGIqhAgw
  48. # [01:21] <monteslu> thanks, nimbupani
  49. # [01:23] <paul_irish> nicework
  50. # [01:23] <monteslu> thanks
  51. # [01:23] <monteslu> neets some tweaks, but was just really a proof of concept
  52. # [01:24] <monteslu> tested on FF, IE, and chrome
  53. # [01:24] <nimbupani> it works on opera 11 too monteslu
  54. # [01:24] <monteslu> works best on chrome because the js engine can handle the pen events quickly
  55. # [01:24] <monteslu> awesome!
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  57. # [01:27] <monteslu> is it cool, to just keep that favicon?
  58. # [01:29] <nimbupani> please do monteslu
  59. # [01:29] <nimbupani> its public domain :)
  60. # [01:29] <monteslu> coolness
  61. # [01:29] <monteslu> easy way to see who's using good html5 code :)
  62. # [01:30] <nimbupani> ha ha ha :)
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  74. # [01:57] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://twitter.com/#!/jverrecchia/status/14483089422028800 can you corral?
  75. # [01:58] <tw2113> paul_irish you bake ever? http://picky-palate.com/2010/12/06/brownie-covered-oreos/#more-10509
  76. # [01:58] <nimbupani> yeah
  77. # [01:58] <paul_irish> yummy
  78. # [01:58] <paul_irish>
  79. # [01:58] <paul_irish> is anyone in here interested in beta-testing user-level chrome frame installation and plugin?
  80. # [01:59] <paul_irish> you can install it without admin permissions
  81. # [02:00] <nimbupani> did you push the latest german translations paul_irish?
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  83. # [02:01] <paul_irish> i did not.
  84. # [02:05] <paul_irish> nimbupani: i get a fatal error on build
  85. # [02:05] <nimbupani> what :/
  86. # [02:05] <nimbupani> let me look
  87. # [02:06] <tw2113> [06:57pm] <vacho> whats a good way to create a relationship between two different custom post types? for instance.. show and actors
  88. # [02:06] <tw2113> [06:59pm] <tw2113> kevin bacon
  89. # [02:06] * paul_irish applause.
  90. # [02:08] <tw2113> sadly more people went "mm bacon" than getting the 6 Degrees of Separation joke
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  94. # [02:10] <nimbupani> fixed it paul_irish
  95. # [02:11] <nimbupani> did you reply to figital?
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  97. # [02:13] <paul_irish> to figital?
  98. # [02:13] <paul_irish> his security bug?
  99. # [02:13] <paul_irish> i'm ignoring it.
  100. # [02:13] <paul_irish> i'll close it evench
  101. # [02:14] <paul_irish> nimbupani: are any other languages close to being ready
  102. # [02:15] <nimbupani> no :(
  103. # [02:15] <nimbupani> oh no paul_irish something about linking the master in github to the zip downloads on html5boilerplate.com
  104. # [02:15] <nimbupani> which we dont want to.
  105. # [02:15] <nimbupani> i thought he sent to both of us.
  106. # [02:16] <paul_irish> de site is updated
  107. # [02:16] <nimbupani> sweet!
  108. # [02:33] <xonecas> tw2113: you had to put the link up with all the chocolate goodness, didn't you! :-)
  109. # [02:34] <tw2113> yes
  110. # [02:34] <xonecas> nimbupani: paul_irish if you'd like I can translate to Portuguese
  111. # [02:35] <nimbupani> xonecas: please do! i think someone started it
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  113. # [02:35] <nimbupani> ?g github nimbupani html5boilerplate-site fork queue
  114. # [02:35] <bot-t> nimbupani, No results found for 'github nimbupani html5boilerplate-site fork queue'.
  115. # [02:35] <nimbupani> botty you suck
  116. # [02:35] <xonecas> could i pick up where they left of?
  117. # [02:35] <nimbupani> ys please! https://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site/forkqueue
  118. # [02:36] <nimbupani> but its portugese-brazilian
  119. # [02:36] <nimbupani> once you make your update please send me a pull request on github.
  120. # [02:36] <paul_irish> i bet xonecas is too
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  123. # [02:38] <nimbupani> paul_irish: for v1 we should also mention sites using boilerplate
  124. # [02:38] <nimbupani> the famous ones
  125. # [02:38] <nimbupani> in our website i mean
  126. # [02:39] <nimbupani> and I dunno if we should still keep the code on the page tho :/
  127. # [02:39] <xonecas> I am, I was born in brasil and raised in portugal, been traveling since I was 16 :-)
  128. # [02:39] <nimbupani> oo so you know both the worlds xonecas :)
  129. # [02:39] <xonecas> yes somewhat, never been very fond of the brazilian accent
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  131. # [02:40] <xonecas> I'll let you know when its translated, Im just starting with git/github (svn user here :-))
  132. # [02:40] <xonecas> I don't know how to ask for a pull
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  134. # [02:41] <nimbupani> no worries xonecas
  135. # [02:41] <nimbupani> just let me know when it is ready.
  136. # [02:41] <xonecas> will do, maybe a couple of days
  137. # [02:41] <nimbupani> thanks!
  138. # [02:44] <xonecas> np :-) glad to help
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  141. # [02:58] <tw2113> yay! i cleared out my reddit feed before 8pm
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  145. # [03:11] <Purdy> hi. :) i'm having problems with a Web Database (SQLite). After I openDatabsae, I try to do a transaction with a simple "select * from [table]". The error handler is triggered w/ the message "no such table: [table]"
  146. # [03:11] <Purdy> (using Google Chrome)
  147. # [03:12] <Purdy> i ran sqlite3 on the database file and the table is there and my select stmt works fine there
  148. # [03:13] <Purdy> the database object doesn't really have much in terms of debugging support
  149. # [03:14] <Purdy> does the first parameter of openDatabase have to match the filename exactly of the sqlite db file? (i.e. myapp.sqlite)
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  154. # [03:54] <Rogi> paul_irish: what do you think of css3pie?
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  161. # [04:12] <cardona507> QR code to scan to get a google ChromeOS net book can be found here at 37:40 http://www.youtube.com/user/googlechrome#p/c/29C243407721191B/2/Xjb5kFLOz_Q
  162. # [04:12] <cardona507> BOOM
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  165. # [04:19] <paul_irish> cardona507: you're not here at this google meetup areyou
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  167. # [04:21] <cardona507> paul_irish: I am on the island of Kauai currently :) why, what's happening?
  168. # [04:22] <paul_irish> o neet!
  169. # [04:22] <cardona507> oh yeah
  170. # [04:22] <paul_irish> its a special event with a special surprise
  171. # [04:22] <cardona507> :(
  172. # [04:22] <cardona507> i'm specially bummed now
  173. # [04:22] <cardona507> is it being streamed live?
  174. # [04:22] <paul_irish> nah
  175. # [04:22] <paul_irish> recorded though
  176. # [04:22] <cardona507> everyone getting a chrome book?
  177. # [04:22] <cardona507> i know you cant tell
  178. # [04:22] <cardona507> i'm just guessin
  179. # [04:23] <cardona507> i did receive by chrome book today though :D
  180. # [04:23] <cardona507> letting it charge
  181. # [04:23] <tw2113> i'm sure they have my address somewhere
  182. # [04:23] <tw2113> they can send me one if they want
  183. # [04:23] <cardona507> tw2113: did you see the link I posted above?
  184. # [04:23] <tw2113> nope
  185. # [04:23] <cardona507> check it
  186. # [04:24] <cardona507> thats the QR code I scanned during the event
  187. # [04:24] <cardona507> it takes you to a page that directly asks for your address
  188. # [04:24] <tw2113> i'm trying to successfully tinker with yql
  189. # [04:24] <cardona507> it bypasses 'applying'
  190. # [04:24] <cardona507> not sure if they are still sending them out to everyone who scans the QR code but it's worth a try
  191. # [04:24] <tw2113> eh, not a huge issue, it's just a "test our new OS" thing isn't it
  192. # [04:25] <cardona507> i'm pretty stoked about it
  193. # [04:25] <cardona507> i ran chrome OS on a VM the day they released it last yearh
  194. # [04:25] <cardona507> *year
  195. # [04:25] <cardona507> and have been waiting on the actual device for quite a while
  196. # [04:28] <cardona507> tw2113: the thing that most excites me about ChromeOS is that I get the sense that this will eventually set the bar for HTML5/CSS3 support
  197. # [04:29] <tw2113> one can only hope
  198. # [04:30] * tw2113 is getting drunk on Root Beer....the linux user's beer
  199. # [04:31] <Purdy> cardona507: i watched that live and requested the book via that qr code ... no go :(
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  201. # [04:31] <Purdy> i think you still gotta be lucky ;)
  202. # [04:32] <cardona507> Purdy: really? I bet you get one in the next week
  203. # [04:32] <cardona507> if you requested it live
  204. # [04:32] <cardona507> they sent me 2
  205. # [04:32] <cardona507> :D
  206. # [04:32] <cardona507> double BOOM
  207. # [04:32] <Purdy> 2? wow
  208. # [04:32] <cardona507> wife swooped the extra one in 1 second flat
  209. # [04:32] <Purdy> double-score
  210. # [04:32] <Purdy> yeah, my wife would love it, i think
  211. # [04:32] <tw2113> yay nerd women
  212. # [04:32] <cardona507> they sent me one for scanning the QR code and one because I am a "google developer"
  213. # [04:33] <cardona507> nerd women FTW
  214. # [04:33] <Purdy> :)
  215. # [04:33] <tw2113> i tend to like to go against the grain, and i think that's part of why the yahoo developer network stuff sounds appealing
  216. # [04:33] <cardona507> not sure if that was meant as a joke but it sure read as one
  217. # [04:33] <cardona507> :)
  218. # [04:34] <tw2113> at least a little against the grain
  219. # [04:34] <tw2113> crikey, i've had a yahoo ID regularly since 1999
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  221. # [04:38] <Purdy> sad thing is according to that tracker, one got shipped to my lil' town of apex and dropped at a 'front porch' last week, but nothing was there when i got home
  222. # [04:38] <Purdy> guess there's another chromer here in apex :)
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  225. # [04:39] <paul_irish> nimbupani:
  226. # [04:39] <nimbupani> yo
  227. # [04:40] <paul_irish> why didnt we pull in the pt-br and french that are in the fork queue
  228. # [04:40] <nimbupani> coz its not done
  229. # [04:40] <nimbupani> and they didnt submit pull req
  230. # [04:40] <paul_irish> i'm gonna pull them in anyway
  231. # [04:40] <nimbupani> ok
  232. # [04:40] <paul_irish> its harder for contributors to build off of these patches
  233. # [04:40] <paul_irish> if they arent in master.
  234. # [04:40] <nimbupani> ok
  235. # [04:41] <cardona507> Purdy: it surprises me that they are leaving them alone on doorsteps - but sure enough there were two boxes on mine this afternoon
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  237. # [04:41] <paul_irish> cardona507: we just gave away devices for all 220 people here.
  238. # [04:41] <cardona507> effin boom
  239. # [04:42] <cardona507> Google is epic sauce
  240. # [04:42] <cardona507> people are so freakin stoked right now!
  241. # [04:42] <cardona507> :)
  242. # [04:42] <cardona507> nicely done paul_irish - is it ok to tweet that now?
  243. # [04:43] <paul_irish> yup
  244. # [04:45] <cardona507> waiting for this darn thing to charge before I can use it is actually harder than waiting to find out if I got one :/
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  246. # [04:55] <paul_irish> nimbupani: it, pt_br, and fr_fr are pulled in
  247. # [04:56] <nimbupani> yay!
  248. # [04:56] <nimbupani> ?tell xonecas the partial pt-BR is now in html5-boilerplate-site: http://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site
  249. # [04:56] <bot-t> nimbupani, Okay.
  250. # [04:58] <paul_irish> it looks good.
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  252. # [04:58] <paul_irish> pretty decent coverage
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  254. # [04:58] <nimbupani> what has?
  255. # [04:58] <nimbupani> all of em?
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  261. # [05:16] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://paulirish.com/i/ed10.png
  262. # [05:16] <nimbupani> NOOO
  263. # [05:16] <paul_irish> thoughts?
  264. # [05:16] <nimbupani> is that committed
  265. # [05:16] <paul_irish> nope.
  266. # [05:16] <nimbupani> it should be aligned top right
  267. # [05:16] <paul_irish> it is.
  268. # [05:16] <nimbupani> no horizontally
  269. # [05:16] <nimbupani> not like that.
  270. # [05:16] <paul_irish> oic
  271. # [05:17] <nimbupani> i can fix it.
  272. # [05:17] <nimbupani> but then so can you.
  273. # [05:17] <nimbupani> :)
  274. # [05:17] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/i/b6d1.png
  275. # [05:17] <nimbupani> muchh better
  276. # [05:17] <paul_irish> aiight
  277. # [05:17] <nimbupani> a space between in: and Deutch
  278. # [05:19] <paul_irish> ill let u add that
  279. # [05:20] <nimbupani> ok
  280. # [05:20] <nimbupani> commitz?
  281. # [05:23] <paul_irish> its up
  282. # [05:24] <paul_irish> nimbupani: also . i wonder about the comment threads.
  283. # [05:25] <paul_irish> keep em separate?
  284. # [05:26] <nimbupani> yeah i think that would be better.
  285. # [05:26] <nimbupani> create a new topic id for each.
  286. # [05:26] <nimbupani> coz they might want to comment in their lang :/
  287. # [05:27] <paul_irish> yup
  288. # [05:27] <paul_irish> can you tackle that
  289. # [05:27] <nimbupani> okay
  290. # [05:30] <paul_irish> nimbupani: all of these should be uploaded now :)
  291. # [05:31] <paul_irish> haha i love how weird characters totally breaks syntaxhighighter
  292. # [05:31] <nimbupani> okay
  293. # [05:31] <nimbupani> whats the lang "he"?
  294. # [05:31] <paul_irish> noidea
  295. # [05:32] <nimbupani> :/
  296. # [05:32] <nimbupani> okay
  297. # [05:33] <paul_irish> hebrew.
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  304. # [07:49] <nimbupani> hey paul_irish when you making em live :)
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  307. # [07:49] <paul_irish> dreamhost seems to be down
  308. # [07:49] <paul_irish> at least my shit
  309. # [07:50] <nimbupani> OH NOES
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  311. # [07:50] <paul_irish> ohitsbacknow
  312. # [07:50] <paul_irish> crankshaft broke syntaxhighlighter
  313. # [07:50] <nimbupani> i think that damned thing needs to be off the site.
  314. # [07:51] <nimbupani> its enough code show off
  315. # [07:52] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://html5boilerplate.com/
  316. # [07:52] <nimbupani> geez I forgot to do the css update in the middle of disqus nonsense.
  317. # [07:54] <paul_irish> i kinda want to absolute reference the CSS now
  318. # [07:55] <paul_irish> so i only have to push index.html and /template on each locale
  319. # [07:55] <nimbupani> yeah
  320. # [07:55] <nimbupani> ok fixed the spacing
  321. # [07:55] <paul_irish> k
  322. # [07:55] <nimbupani> we should do that for v1
  323. # [07:55] <nimbupani> can we pls pls pls psl pls not have the code on front page for v1
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  325. # [07:56] <paul_irish> k your damn spacing is fixed :)
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  327. # [07:57] <nimbupani> yah :)
  328. # [07:57] <nimbupani> yay*
  329. # [07:57] <paul_irish> nimbupani: unlikely.
  330. # [07:57] <nimbupani> :( :(
  331. # [07:57] <paul_irish> people copy/paste from the page.
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  333. # [07:58] <nimbupani> well thats insane
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  335. # [07:58] <nimbupani> you cant encourage stupidity
  336. # [07:59] <nimbupani> or perhaps we can do show/hide?
  337. # [07:59] <nimbupani> default hide
  338. # [07:59] <nimbupani> its way too long
  339. # [08:00] <paul_irish> mmmhmmm
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  342. # [08:02] <nimbupani> lemme try on github.
  343. # [08:03] <paul_irish> nimbupani: i want to show the code on the homepage.
  344. # [08:03] <nimbupani> yeah it will be there.
  345. # [08:04] <nimbupani> but revealed with a click
  346. # [08:04] <nimbupani> like the comments
  347. # [08:04] <nimbupani> i think it will be faster that way.
  348. # [08:04] <nimbupani> than current scrolly
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  455. # [16:55] <mokush> is there a way to detect support for swipe events?
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  464. # [17:08] <mokush> jamund: thanks a bunch!
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  507. # [18:11] <paul_irish> nimbupani: hihi
  508. # [18:12] <nimbupani> hihihihihihihi
  509. # [18:12] <paul_irish> nimbupani: can you write a message to our googlegroup about the l10n
  510. # [18:13] <paul_irish> announcement, thanks, reminder of how to contribute
  511. # [18:13] <nimbupani> yes will do paul_irish
  512. # [18:13] <nimbupani> ON IT
  513. # [18:13] <paul_irish> :)
  514. # [18:13] <tw2113> i don't think this will work anywhere: padding: absolute;
  515. # [18:14] <miketaylr> lolwat
  516. # [18:15] <tw2113> found that in my css file for one of my projects
  517. # [18:15] <tw2113> no wonder z-index wasn't working
  518. # [18:15] <miketaylr> i love hard to scan bugs like that
  519. # [18:16] <paul_irish> wowy malarkey went off the handle because of some pirated PDFs of his book.
  520. # [18:16] <paul_irish> bummer, bro.
  521. # [18:16] <tw2113> i saw that a bit
  522. # [18:16] <miketaylr> link?
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  524. # [18:16] <paul_irish> https://twitter.com/#!/Malarkey
  525. # [18:16] <Dr_Heiter23> if I create a html5 sqlite db, where does that live? (using google chrome if it matters)
  526. # [18:17] <paul_irish> tw2113: i've definitely done display:static within the past few months
  527. # [18:17] <paul_irish> Dr_Heiter23: somewhere on disk in a magical world.
  528. # [18:17] <miketaylr> yikes
  529. # [18:17] <miketaylr> Dr_Heiter23: i think the chromium-html5 group has a thread that shows exactly where
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  531. # [18:18] <nimbupani> border: none; is the worst i have done
  532. # [18:19] * tw2113 is glad his copy of Hardboiled is legit
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  534. # [18:19] <JonathanNeal> Hey hey.
  535. # [18:19] <paul_irish> hi jon
  536. # [18:19] <tw2113> now to get the office copy of CSS3 for Web Designers or whatever from abookapart
  537. # [18:19] <JonathanNeal> what's happenin' paul_irish.
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  539. # [18:20] <paul_irish> happy morning shuttle ride.
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  541. # [18:22] <JonathanNeal> weeeee
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  543. # [18:26] <monteslu> added some stuff to my whiteboard app. List of users on the board, ability to export image to PNG, and an animation that shows the last user that draws something
  544. # [18:27] <monteslu> http://azpdemo.appspot.com/whiteboard
  545. # [18:27] <mkwst> paul_irish, nimbupani: nice work on boilerplate. 6 languages is impressive!
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  548. # [18:28] <paul_irish> :D woowooo
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  550. # [18:30] * tw2113 wishes there was an easy way to detect doctype that won't hinder response time
  551. # [18:30] <paul_irish> document.compatMode ?
  552. # [18:30] <paul_irish> oh you mean actual doctype?
  553. # [18:30] <paul_irish> wassup crazyguy
  554. # [18:31] <nimbupani> woooo mkwst
  555. # [18:31] <nimbupani> is that you mike west :)
  556. # [18:31] <tw2113> yeah
  557. # [18:31] <tw2113> at least if there's anything after the !DOCTYPE html
  558. # [18:31] <tw2113> part
  559. # [18:31] <tw2113> or if it kicks it to >
  560. # [18:31] <mkwst> it is. i just realized that i can get onto irc from the office. :)
  561. # [18:31] <nimbupani> WHEE
  562. # [18:31] <nimbupani> thank YOU for helping us set this up
  563. # [18:32] <nimbupani> okay paul_irish shall I send?
  564. # [18:32] <mkwst> *shrug* you guys did the work and built the community. i'm glad it's working out so well.
  565. # [18:32] <paul_irish> mkwst: the best part about irc from the office is the sweetass hostmask
  566. # [18:33] <mkwst> right. it gives me an immediate air of authority. ;)
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  572. # [18:34] <tw2113> damn X keys on the tabs in xchat-aqua
  573. # [18:36] <paul_irish> nimbupani: okay its ready.
  574. # [18:37] <nimbupani> sent
  575. # [18:37] <paul_irish> fwiw yall.. i found a regression in v8 crankshaft's regex stuff.. it breaks on some character sets. it's fixed in canary but chromium builds are still busted.
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  577. # [18:40] <paul_irish> does anyone want to be a beta tester for chrome frame?
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  579. # [18:44] <paul_irish> stevefaulkner tweeted this channel a little bit ago
  580. # [18:44] <paul_irish> https://twitter.com/#!/stevefaulkner/status/14657183731941376
  581. # [18:45] <nimbupani> is he here? :)
  582. # [18:49] <tw2113> apparently he's a bigwig?
  583. # [18:49] <paul_irish> he's like one of two html5 + accessibility experts.
  584. # [18:50] <nimbupani> the other better be jason
  585. # [18:50] <paul_irish> mmhmm
  586. # [18:50] <paul_irish> jason :*
  587. # [18:50] <nimbupani> :)
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  589. # [18:51] <nimbupani> paul_irish: how to advice noobs who dont know github on translating :/
  590. # [18:51] <nimbupani> perhaps just send them a .po file?
  591. # [18:51] <nimbupani> have them translate and send it back?
  592. # [18:52] <mkwst> that's how most Real World™ projects work.
  593. # [18:52] <nimbupani> :(
  594. # [18:52] <mkwst> seriously.
  595. # [18:53] <paul_irish> nimbupani:
  596. # [18:53] <paul_irish> "You can dig into the details on How on here: https://github.com/nimbupani/html5boilerplate-site/issues#issue/3 " ?
  597. # [18:54] <paul_irish> brb
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  599. # [18:56] <tw2113> what do you folks think? would definition lists be a good option for a long listing of Chamber of Commerce members?
  600. # [18:56] <tw2113> semantically
  601. # [18:56] <nimbupani> no way
  602. # [18:56] <tw2113> trying to think of how i want to mark this page up for a client project
  603. # [18:57] <nimbupani> what about h3s and ps?
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  605. # [18:57] <mkwst> what about a ul?
  606. # [18:57] <nimbupani> why ul mkwst :(
  607. # [18:57] <nimbupani> i hate uls
  608. # [18:57] <nimbupani> DEEPLY
  609. # [18:57] <tw2113> both are options, yes
  610. # [18:57] <tw2113> looking at what options i have :)
  611. # [18:57] <nimbupani> especially on wordpress themes
  612. # [18:57] <mkwst> it's a list. the order is probably irrelevant. so it's an unordered list. :)
  613. # [18:58] <tw2113> it's also vertically listed...column one as you go down, goes alphabetically, then moves to the top of column 2
  614. # [18:58] <tw2113> likely needs to dynamically adjust in the end
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  617. # [18:58] <tw2113> be easy for the client to update
  618. # [18:58] <nimbupani> but its the sort of list that is a fake list
  619. # [18:58] <nimbupani> or a pseudo one
  620. # [18:58] <tw2113> eh, sort of
  621. # [18:59] <tw2113> it's listed by type of business first, and then businesses for that type
  622. # [18:59] <tw2113> accounting : 4 businesses, advertising: 5 listings
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  624. # [18:59] <nimbupani> i dunno coz very few uls are actually uls
  625. # [19:00] <mkwst> well, think about it this way: how would you navigate the list if you couldn't see the layout?
  626. # [19:00] <nimbupani> thats exactly my point. it neednt be a list.
  627. # [19:00] <nimbupani> for that matter we have a list of news items
  628. # [19:00] <nimbupani> or list of blog posts
  629. # [19:00] <nimbupani> we dont mark them out as lists
  630. # [19:00] <mkwst> well, my point was that lists are extremely accessible.
  631. # [19:00] <mkwst> i mark those as lists.
  632. # [19:00] <mkwst> :)
  633. # [19:01] <nimbupani> you mean the main blog home page?
  634. # [19:01] <nimbupani> which lists like 4 latest blog posts
  635. # [19:01] <mkwst> exactly.
  636. # [19:01] <nimbupani> not the "popular today"
  637. # [19:01] <nimbupani> sidebars
  638. # [19:01] <mkwst> "which _lists_ like 4 latest blog posts". :)
  639. # [19:01] <nimbupani> would you makr the main content on the left here as lists? http://html5doctor.com/
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  643. # [19:02] <nimbupani> mark*
  644. # [19:02] <mkwst> absolutely.
  645. # [19:02] <nimbupani> :| :| :|
  646. # [19:02] <mkwst> it's a list of articles.
  647. # [19:02] <mkwst> <ul class="hfeed"><li><article class="hentry"> ...</article></li> ... </ul>
  648. # [19:02] <nimbupani> then everything on the web is a list :/
  649. # [19:03] <mkwst> pretty much. i don't think that's a bad thing.
  650. # [19:03] <nimbupani> if list is by default why mark it so?
  651. # [19:03] <nimbupani> we should mark those that are NOT default
  652. # [19:03] <mkwst> paragraphs are "default" as well for blocks of text. we mark those.
  653. # [19:04] <nimbupani> but we can do <br>s
  654. # [19:04] <nimbupani> <hrs>
  655. # [19:04] <nimbupani> and what not.
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  657. # [19:04] <mkwst> the tag matches the semantics. we don't leave it off because it's too common.
  658. # [19:04] <mkwst> well, no. <p>...</p> has different semantics than ...<br>...
  659. # [19:05] <nimbupani> agreed, but i am saying blocks of text is not always <p>s
  660. # [19:05] <nimbupani> are*
  661. # [19:05] <mkwst> and, i suppose, articles next to each other on a page aren't always inside a list. but i think that's the exception, not the rule.
  662. # [19:06] <nimbupani> but you said they are a list :/
  663. # [19:06] <tw2113> i was told not to worry about it yet, as the data for the listing may come from a different source
  664. # [19:07] <tw2113> but glad i could spark debate :D
  665. # [19:07] <nimbupani> he he he
  666. # [19:07] <nimbupani> i think this needs a blogpost
  667. # [19:07] <tw2113> go for it
  668. # [19:07] <nimbupani> sounds ripe for trolling!
  669. # [19:07] <tw2113> credit me for inspiration so my name gets out there
  670. # [19:08] <tw2113> @tw2113 on twitter will work :D
  671. # [19:08] <paul_irish> lol
  672. # [19:08] <nimbupani> what do you think paul_irish
  673. # [19:08] <tw2113> he's paul_irish
  674. # [19:08] <tw2113> he doesn't think
  675. # [19:08] <paul_irish> i wish to not partake in a semantics debate.
  676. # [19:08] <tw2113> he just knows
  677. # [19:08] <nimbupani> PFT
  678. # [19:08] <paul_irish> ;)
  679. # [19:09] <tw2113> he's not "paul irish"....he's "THE paul irish"
  680. # [19:09] <tw2113> respect!
  681. # [19:09] <nimbupani> sitting on the fence as usual!
  682. # [19:09] <tw2113> and you know what fences have all over?
  683. # [19:09] <tw2113> posts to sit on
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  685. # [19:09] <tw2113> oh my
  686. # [19:11] <Michael> paul_irish, <button> needs to be able to take child elements.
  687. # [19:11] <Michael> Using nested spans for a button doesn't seem very semantic
  688. # [19:12] <nimbupani> a button does only one action :/
  689. # [19:12] <Michael> Using CSS3PIE to make a rounded background and then a shine
  690. # [19:12] <Michael> And then text
  691. # [19:12] <Michael> So span span span
  692. # [19:12] <tw2113> what's the term for when a server refreshes itself to show new content?
  693. # [19:12] <Michael> server push
  694. # [19:12] <tw2113> like when you put a brand new website up
  695. # [19:12] <tw2113> but it's showing the old one
  696. # [19:12] <Michael> Oh. Bounce?
  697. # [19:13] <Michael> Is this a rails app?
  698. # [19:13] <tw2113> no, wordpress install that we just pushed live
  699. # [19:13] <tw2113> dns refresh?
  700. # [19:13] <Michael> Is it a new IP?
  701. # [19:13] <tw2113> probably
  702. # [19:13] <tw2113> i think it's dns propegation
  703. # [19:14] <Michael> yeah that would do it
  704. # [19:14] <Michael> Try from a computer that hasn't visited it
  705. # [19:14] <tw2113> we've had issues with this before with our hosting company, took a day or so for a different launch that i wasn't a part of
  706. # [19:14] <Michael> If you're in Windows you can try 'arp flush' and then ipconfig /release and /renew
  707. # [19:14] <tw2113> but we see the new one on our smartphones :)
  708. # [19:14] <Michael> The TTL is probably 24 hours then
  709. # [19:15] <Michael> You can manually put an entry in your hosts file and point it to the new IP
  710. # [19:15] <Michael> Not sure how to do that on a smartphone
  711. # [19:15] <tw2113> you see the new one already
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  713. # [19:15] <Michael> And you probably want to have your provider set the TTL for that host to like 5 minutes if you're going to be doing this often
  714. # [19:15] <tw2113> cause verizon is pretty quick apparently
  715. # [19:15] <Michael> Oh cool
  716. # [19:15] <tw2113> visit jessupcellars.com on it
  717. # [19:16] <Michael> I busted my droid :/
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  719. # [19:16] <Michael> New one should be here tomorrow
  720. # [19:16] <paul_irish> nimbupani: hmmm maybe we should update the /template in the site
  721. # [19:17] <paul_irish> cuz there are probably lots of new/changed strings.
  722. # [19:17] <tw2113> if you want the old version, view the ugliness in any regular computer browser
  723. # [19:17] <nimbupani> what where paul_irish?
  724. # [19:17] <nimbupani> as long as line numbers have not changed
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  727. # [19:19] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://www.mostcontagious.com/
  728. # [19:19] <paul_irish> nimbupani: the line numbers in the po files are not hardcoded. /sez mkwst
  729. # [19:20] <mkwst> the line numbers are more or less only there for context.
  730. # [19:20] <nimbupani> OH
  731. # [19:20] <nimbupani> so how does it detect mkwst
  732. # [19:20] <nimbupani> oh right the blocktrans
  733. # [19:20] <mkwst> gettext uses some magical fuzzy matching that i don't understand.
  734. # [19:21] <mkwst> just run the message file generating script again, and it should automagically update the po files.
  735. # [19:21] <nimbupani> thats good then.
  736. # [19:21] <nimbupani> is the "message file generating script" make build :/
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  738. # [19:22] <mkwst> make.. something? i forget. :)
  739. # [19:22] <mkwst> `make messages` i think.
  740. # [19:22] <paul_irish> that is some straight up magic right there
  741. # [19:22] <mkwst> but `make build` probably runs that as well. :)
  742. # [19:23] <nimbupani> okay!
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  744. # [19:23] <nimbupani> good one paul_irish most contagious
  745. # [19:23] <paul_irish> yaaa
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  747. # [19:24] <nimbupani> this is a neet trick http://www.debeterevormgever.nl/html5-ie-without-javascript/?page=example_html&lang=en
  748. # [19:24] <nimbupani> though not very useful
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  750. # [19:27] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal has used that trick before ^
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  753. # [19:28] <nimbupani> oh i see.
  754. # [19:28] <JonathanNeal> It never pans out.
  755. # [19:28] <nimbupani> yeah :/
  756. # [19:28] <JonathanNeal> Plus : elements aren't recognized during print.
  757. # [19:28] <nimbupani> not so good then :/
  758. # [19:29] <JonathanNeal> Not zesty.
  759. # [19:29] <paul_irish> Not zesty.
  760. # [19:31] <cardona507> paul_irish: do you have an order of magnitude estimate how many cr48s there are? Thousands or tens of thousands?
  761. # [19:32] <paul_irish> i do not know if that's public info
  762. # [19:32] <paul_irish> so.
  763. # [19:32] <paul_irish> :x
  764. # [19:32] <cardona507> no worries of course
  765. # [19:32] <cardona507> just thought I'd try ;)
  766. # [19:32] <paul_irish> heh.. :) i kinda think it is public.
  767. # [19:32] <paul_irish> but no idea
  768. # [19:32] <nimbupani> 1369
  769. # [19:33] <cardona507> there must be more than that
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  771. # [19:34] <cardona507> anyway - I couldn't find any good irc for chrome - any recommendations?
  772. # [19:34] <paul_irish> can someone (like JonathanNeal ) explain why the html5 outline algorithm matters?
  773. # [19:34] <paul_irish> cardona507: no web irc clients are either mibbit (great but no freenode) or the freenode chat one (which is lamesauce)
  774. # [19:34] <fyrd> paul_irish (or anyone else) do you have an Android 2.3 phone available?
  775. # [19:35] <JonathanNeal> Why the outline matters or why the algorithm matters?
  776. # [19:35] <paul_irish> i suppose the outline.
  777. # [19:35] <paul_irish> i dont. anyone else have an android 2.3 ?
  778. # [19:35] <paul_irish> fyrd: last i heard, the browser has like no changes from 2.2
  779. # [19:36] <fyrd> paul_irish: Yeah, that's what I figured, but I've read it has WebM support, though I can't get it to run in the browser.
  780. # [19:36] <paul_irish> oh
  781. # [19:36] <fyrd> In my emulator, that is.
  782. # [19:36] <fyrd> Would seem odd for the OS to support it but not the browser, but who knows.
  783. # [19:37] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish, do you understand the benefit of a structure that implies meaning to its content?
  784. # [19:38] <paul_irish> but that structure only has relevance to end users that absorb it.
  785. # [19:38] <nimbupani> JonathanNeal: there is no such benefit yet right.
  786. # [19:38] <paul_irish> people reading big text and small text are just seeing that
  787. # [19:38] <nimbupani> yeah
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  789. # [19:39] <paul_irish> but if you told me that the outline was navigable in screenreaders and screenreaders used the new outlining algo ... then i'd be satisfied
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  792. # [19:40] * tw2113 sometimes closes out of #wordpress and #css cause of the questions that get asked
  793. # [19:40] <nimbupani> yeah what paul_irish
  794. # [19:41] <nimbupani> said
  795. # [19:41] <nimbupani> i see no benefit to the outlining algo for anyone but developers
  796. # [19:42] <cardona507> tw2113: haha
  797. # [19:43] <cardona507> you're making me read the log of #css
  798. # [19:43] <JonathanNeal> paul_irish, I would be, but then you would say that they don't, presently.
  799. # [19:43] <tw2113> i have been closed out of that one for most of the day
  800. # [19:43] <JonathanNeal> It's all theory, just like HTML5 happening.
  801. # [19:43] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: aiight
  802. # [19:43] <JonathanNeal> The web is like one of Walt Disney's later projects; it's never meant to be finished.
  803. # [19:43] <tw2113> i wanted to avoid someone PMing me for help when they were afraid to pust their site publicly, since they said they were muslim
  804. # [19:44] <paul_irish> some semantic things i can justify because i know the value they will have on unimpaired or impaired users.
  805. # [19:44] <paul_irish> but other things i dont readily see value in.. so i'm just.. getting info :)
  806. # [19:44] <JonathanNeal> They should have value on impaired users and search engines.
  807. # [19:44] <nimbupani> well right now semantic things are meaningless
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  809. # [19:44] <nimbupani> like they dont give more meaning than what they already do
  810. # [19:44] <JonathanNeal> They should be better translatable, readable, maintainable, stylable.
  811. # [19:45] <JonathanNeal> The idea is that a well structured document is like a well built car. There's value in anything well done.
  812. # [19:45] <nimbupani> agreed. except we dont know it yet.
  813. # [19:45] <nimbupani> what the value will be.
  814. # [19:45] <tw2113> the way i see it, whether it holds semantic meaning now or not, if it's planned to in the future, i'll use it now
  815. # [19:46] <mkwst> nimbupani: if you're using a screenreader, you'll notice.
  816. # [19:46] <nimbupani> but do they give more meaning mkwst?
  817. # [19:46] <nimbupani> like sections and articles
  818. # [19:46] <tw2113> as long as it won't break my site and i use it for its future intended meaning
  819. # [19:47] <nimbupani> i know the ARIA stuff helps quite a bit.
  820. # [19:47] <mkwst> at the moment, no. sections aren't "special" in terms of usability. ARIA landmark roles are, though. as time goes on, i expect the meaningful HTML5 elements to take over some of the featureset that ARIA's addressing at the moment.
  821. # [19:48] <tw2113> plan ahead!
  822. # [19:48] <tw2113> when your manager comes in with his brilliant idea to implement this stuff
  823. # [19:48] <tw2113> you can point and go "it's there already, dude"
  824. # [19:48] <mkwst> use both. <section role="main">, <aside role="complimentary">, etc.
  825. # [19:48] <tw2113> and then you get a promotion for forward thinking 6 months ago
  826. # [19:48] <nimbupani> yeah thats what I thought mkwst
  827. # [19:48] * tw2113 is turning an aside into the sidebar area
  828. # [19:49] <tw2113> <aside class="sidebar">
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  830. # [19:49] <JonathanNeal> Also, be warned that my brain is most definitely not firing on all cylinders. I've slept well, but something is just out of wack.
  831. # [19:50] <tw2113> is it because your name starts with J?
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  833. # [19:52] <cardona507> seems likely
  834. # [19:52] <cardona507> ;)
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  836. # [19:53] <tw2113> i won't hold it against him
  837. # [19:54] <cardona507> wasn't his choice after all
  838. # [19:55] <tw2113> true
  839. # [19:58] <tw2113> i need to figure out what to do for lunch
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  841. # [20:01] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell nimbupani http://www.designhive.com/
  842. # [20:01] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
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  864. # [20:41] <JonathanNeal> What's wrong with my name starting with a J?
  865. # [20:43] <Michael> It's jolly
  866. # [20:43] <Michael> paul_irish, Do you use fontsquirrel?
  867. # [20:43] <paul_irish> its the best.
  868. # [20:43] <paul_irish> yes all the time
  869. # [20:44] <tw2113> was just teasing JonathanNeal
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  871. # [20:45] <cardona507> JonathanNeal: just messin around of course
  872. # [20:46] <JonathanNeal> :)
  873. # [20:50] <tw2113> i'm f'n nuts cause my name starts with M
  874. # [20:50] <tw2113> which is the same letter that masocist starts with
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  879. # [20:53] <Michael> paul_irish, We're experiencing issues where the webfont is not accurate to the TTF
  880. # [20:53] <Michael> And apparently7 it is bolding a light font
  881. # [20:53] <Michael> I thought perhaps the font file was renamed but that isn't the case
  882. # [20:54] <JonathanNeal> We could write a script that calculates the offsets of a browsers from the whatwg spec, and then throws all of those rules into a "base.css" file.
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  885. # [20:54] <JonathanNeal> And modernizr could use that as a real base, then from there separate out our normalize hacks.
  886. # [20:54] <JonathanNeal> And be able to document a valid reason for every css entry.
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  889. # [20:59] <paul_irish> JonathanNeal: sounds good to me.
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  894. # [21:04] <cardona507> tw2113: i'd never thought of it that way before
  895. # [21:04] <tw2113> eh?
  896. # [21:04] <tw2113> michael + masocism = f'n nuts?
  897. # [21:05] <tw2113> not the above Michael
  898. # [21:05] <tw2113> just me
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  909. # [21:18] <MrWax> Does anyone know when likely we will be able to implement offline cache db's with HTML5 ? I mean when more than just FF (Indexeddb) support it?
  910. # [21:19] <tw2113> that's mostly up to the browser makers
  911. # [21:21] <MrWax> so basically, if I would like to make an offline cache system for my CMS (my CMS as HTML5 version) there's no way to consistently manage an offline database
  912. # [21:22] <tw2113> that's kind of my take on it
  913. # [21:22] <tw2113> one of those features that is out there far enough for no consistent support at the moment
  914. # [21:23] <MrWax> how u mean? dont understand
  915. # [21:23] <tw2113> basically...most versions of the browsers right now don't have the support, but future versions will
  916. # [21:24] <tw2113> say firefox 4.1, and chrome 10, and internet explorer 20
  917. # [21:24] <tw2113> note i'm not quoting any roadmaps, just giving examples
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  920. # [21:25] <MrWax> ok, but its likely that it will be indexeddb that will be used for an offline cache db?
  921. # [21:25] <tw2113> *shrugs at that part*
  922. # [21:25] <MrWax> (since websql is discontinued)
  923. # [21:25] <MrWax> ok np
  924. # [21:25] <MrWax> anyone else maybe know this
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  935. # [21:35] <paul_irish> MrWax: depends on what you want to save.
  936. # [21:36] <paul_irish> localStorage is good for basic shit
  937. # [21:36] <paul_irish> then web sql database (chr,saf,op)
  938. # [21:36] <paul_irish> then indexeddb (saf,chr,ff now, others within 8mo)
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  944. # [21:45] <mkwst> speaking of indexeddb: http://mikewest.org/2010/12/intro-to-indexeddb :)
  945. # [21:46] <nimbupani> hey mkwst arent you supposed to be in germany :|
  946. # [21:46] <mkwst> i'm in the mountain view office until friday, visiting clever people like Paul.
  947. # [21:46] <nimbupani> ooo
  948. # [21:46] <mkwst> but yeah, i'll be based in Munich.
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  951. # [21:56] <paul_irish> mkwst_food: i didnt know if you spotted this page: http://trac.webkit.org/export/70913/trunk/LayoutTests/storage/indexeddb/tutorial.html
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  963. # [22:17] <mkwst_food> that's a great link, thanks Paul!
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  966. # [22:17] <MrWax> I thought websql was discontinued?
  967. # [22:17] <MrWax> i mean, how can i then be used by a future build system
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  970. # [22:22] <mkwst> websql isn't discontinued in a practical sense. it's simply not being further specified.
  971. # [22:22] <mkwst> and firefox and ie aren't going to support it.
  972. # [22:23] <MrWax> yea but then you cut out the majority of potential users
  973. # [22:23] <MrWax> so not worth to implement
  974. # [22:23] <mkwst> but in limited situations (if, for example, you're writing a chromeos-only app, which might be reasonable) it might make sense to use.
  975. # [22:23] <MrWax> ah yep ok
  976. # [22:23] * mkwst works at google, though, so big grain of salt with that. :)
  977. # [22:23] <MrWax> ah nice
  978. # [22:23] <MrWax> ok
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  980. # [22:24] <mkwst> i don't particularly like websql, but that's no reason to ignore it completely.
  981. # [22:24] <mokush> is there a way to render the scrollbars outside of an overflow: scroll <div> ?
  982. # [22:24] <MrWax> but for the beta version of a CMS, it would be more recommended to start using indexeddb in the need of a cache db
  983. # [22:24] <mkwst> if you like sql, it makes a lot of sense.
  984. # [22:24] <MrWax> mkwst: right?
  985. # [22:24] <mkwst> well, indexeddb isn't supported yet either. :) it's only in FF4 and chrome dev channel.
  986. # [22:25] <mkwst> right now, the only fully supported offline api is localStorage/sessionStorage.
  987. # [22:25] <MrWax> But, if FF plans to use it, and Chrome, i mean, 2 important browsers
  988. # [22:25] <MrWax> mkwst: and Application Cache?
  989. # [22:25] <mkwst> right. indexedDB will gain support. microsoft and opera are participating in the specification, it was proposed by oracle, and the chrome guys will try to push it back to webkit upstream.
  990. # [22:25] <mkwst> so it's only going to gain support, but it's anyone's guess as to when. :)
  991. # [22:26] <mkwst> appcache too, right. but that's not really a database...
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  993. # [22:30] <_santos> hey out there, got a question about boilerplate and sass - is there any template for sass which lets me import the boilderplate css (reset and so on...)?
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  996. # [22:32] <Michael> I have never used sass
  997. # [22:32] <Michael> Or haml
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  1000. # [22:34] <MrWax> mkwst: i mean, localStorage/sessionStorage neither right? just more like a key val array
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  1002. # [22:35] <mkwst> one difference is that localStorage is easily readable and writable via javascript. it's a good mechanism for interacting with data inside your application. appcache, on the other hand, is a good mechanism for caching files locally, but it's not really the same usecase.
  1003. # [22:36] <_santos> @Michael: you should try it, i think its a really fast way to start a project and get the code optimized (minified css, sprites... - if you use compass & limonade aswell)
  1004. # [22:37] <MrWax> mkwst: ah yep, just was trying to form a good offline web app case for our CMS
  1005. # [22:37] <Michael> We're using zend framework/spritely/css compressor I believe
  1006. # [22:37] <MrWax> mkwst: but its like this now; store the page attributes in db with indexeddb, refer in this table entry of the page to the page contents in a localStorage key val, and cache files per CMS page with app cache
  1007. # [22:38] <mkwst> sounds reasonable enough.
  1008. # [22:38] <MrWax> mkwst: check each interval if the browser works offline, if yes, switch cms to offline webapp and use local data
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  1010. # [22:38] <MrWax> mkwst: then do the opposite, when online again, sync relevant data with ajax call
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  1015. # [22:43] <tw2113> woohoo! jessupcellars.com is now live and dns refreshed
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  1031. # [23:31] <paul_irish> lol http://dev.w3.org/html5/boilerplate/
  1032. # [23:31] <paul_irish> thx google alerts
  1033. # [23:32] <nimbupani> ha ha ha it was in html5 twitter feed too :)
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