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- # [00:18] <MADler> Is anyone in here in a position to help me with an unusual issue rendering tables in chrome?
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- # [01:03] <orthagonal1> MAdler what issue?
- # [01:04] <MADler> I suppose I semi solved it myself. Not entirely sure why it was being funny, but now I've circumvented the issue, thanks though
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- # [03:22] <JonathanNeal> You guys wanna see the html5 ua stylesheet generator thus far?
- # [03:23] <tw2113> i might as well
- # [03:23] <JonathanNeal> That's the enthusiasm I'm looking for!
- # [03:23] <JonathanNeal> http://sandbox.thewikies.com/html5-ua-autogenerator/
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- # [03:24] <tw2113> wha? figure and figcaption are meant for inline?
- # [03:24] * tw2113 made them block earlier
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- # [03:25] <JonathanNeal> tw2113, no but that's what the browser is doing with them by default.
- # [03:26] <tw2113> isn't that the case with all of them?
- # [03:26] <JonathanNeal> Yes, thus this being a ua stylesheet.
- # [03:26] <tw2113> got it
- # [03:26] <JonathanNeal> It is what the user agent is doing.
- # [03:27] <tw2113> ahh..now i see
- # [03:27] <tw2113> it all makes sense now
- # [03:27] <tw2113> you set it up to do it all itself and that's the default stuff for chrome
- # [03:28] <JonathanNeal> run it in ie7 or ie8 and you'll see what they render by default.
- # [03:28] <tw2113> figure in FF4 does this margin: 1em 40px;
- # [03:29] <nimbupani> this is awes JonathanNeal
- # [03:29] <nimbupani> can I TWEET
- # [03:29] <tw2113> we shouldn't need to ask imho
- # [03:30] <tw2113> but it's courtious
- # [03:30] <tw2113> it's good to see some steady consistency between FF and chrome
- # [03:31] <tw2113> kudos for the mario bros favicon too
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- # [03:52] <BlueG> How do the new sectioning elements interact with CSS? An h1 might be demoted in the outline by section and article elements, but won't it still be styled as an h1 without complex CSS? You can embed styles just for a section or article within the document using the scope attribute, but that only works in newer HTML5-supporting browsers. How hard is it to use this new sectioning stuff and still have it look decent in older browsers?
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- # [05:22] <tw2113> you smart people would know
- # [05:22] <tw2113> is it possible to read how much memory a variable is using?
- # [05:23] <tw2113> or perhaps how much data is being held in it
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- # [05:27] <tw2113> paul_irish perfect timing for my questions
- # [05:28] <tw2113> do you know if it's possible to read how much memory is used by a variable or how much data it holds?
- # [05:37] <paul_irish> chrome's heap inspect helps there yes
- # [05:37] <paul_irish> tw
- # [05:37] <paul_irish> tw2113:
- # [05:39] <tw2113> most of me was curious about doing it through javascript or so...the idea was to add to the variable step by step and as it grew in size, make it start to throb colors
- # [05:40] <tw2113> like slow throbbing blue for light data, but as you start increasing in size, have it start turning more red and throbbing faster
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- # [05:48] <paul_irish> tw2113: innnnnteresting
- # [05:48] <tw2113> i get random thoughts and jot them down, sometimes even ask about if others think it's possible
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- # [07:35] <tw2113> :P cardona507
- # [07:36] <cardona507> for?
- # [07:36] <cardona507> i meant the epic sauce comment
- # [07:36] <cardona507> i was raised on Nickelodeon
- # [07:36] <cardona507> Nickelodeon FTW
- # [07:36] <tw2113> i know
- # [07:37] <cardona507> nick at night not so much
- # [07:37] <tw2113> even that entertained me enough
- # [07:37] <tw2113> i'm chipping away at season one of the Dick Van Dyke show right now
- # [07:37] <tw2113> plus i have season 2 of Get Smart in queue
- # [07:38] <tw2113> did you look at which shows i made palettes for?
- # [07:39] <cardona507> i saw double dare
- # [07:40] <cardona507> is anybody else doing the chrome tab donation thing?
- # [07:40] <cardona507> i opened around 80 so tabs today
- # [07:40] <cardona507> interestingly every single thing is synced between chrome on my mac and chrome on my cr-48 except how many tabs I have opened
- # [07:41] <cardona507> it is monitoring them seperatly
- # [07:41] <tw2113> Clarissa Explains It All, Muppet Babie, Kenan & Kel, KaBlam!, Secret World of Alex Mack, Adventures of Pete and Pete, Doug, Roundhouse, Are You Afraid of the Dark, Double Dare, and All That
- # [07:41] <cardona507> *separately
- # [07:41] <cardona507> nice
- # [07:41] <tw2113> those are just the ones i've gotten done
- # [07:41] <tw2113> i think i have 15 more i want to do
- # [07:42] <cardona507> damn
- # [07:42] <cardona507> that is sweet
- # [07:43] <tw2113> the process....look up shows i loved on wikipedia, google them for title screen screenshots, use website to extract color values, enter into colourlovers
- # [07:44] <cardona507> nice and easy
- # [07:45] <tw2113> if i was to change anything, i'd just open it in the gimp so i can for sure get the colors i want
- # [07:46] <tw2113> perhaps i will too...another day
- # [07:47] <cardona507> Bring out the gimp!
- # [07:47] <tw2113> *nods*
- # [07:47] <tw2113> i have 2.7.1 on my desktop at the moment
- # [07:47] <tw2113> i love having groups again
- # [07:47] <cardona507> paul_irish: you gonna be at tron on friday?
- # [07:48] <paul_irish> YE
- # [07:48] <paul_irish> S
- # [07:48] * cardona507 turns green with envy
- # [07:48] <tw2113> i fail at nerdism as i have not seen the first one
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- # [07:50] <cardona507_> tw2113: you must stop everything immediately http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=210236
- # [07:51] <tw2113> evernoted for soon
- # [07:51] <cardona507_> excellent
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- # [07:53] <cardona507> tw2113: are you freelance or do you work at a company? If you don't mind me asking
- # [07:53] <cardona507> if you do just tell me to shut up
- # [07:53] <tw2113> 3 person company
- # [07:53] <cardona507> a startup?
- # [07:54] <cardona507> consultancy?
- # [07:54] <tw2113> still technically startup
- # [07:54] <cardona507> nice
- # [07:54] <tw2113> but been around for over a year or so
- # [07:54] <cardona507> no shame to that good
- # [07:54] <cardona507> small is large on the web
- # [07:55] <tw2113> yeah, i went from seeing hundreds of people throughout the day to seeing barely anyone, back in september when i got the job
- # [07:55] <tw2113> i like the small part, to be honest
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- # [07:56] <tw2113> i'd probably start feeling a bit swamped if we got up to 20 people, but that won't be for a long long time, if ever
- # [07:56] <tw2113> the owner likes small too
- # [08:00] <MrWax> Does anyone know some good CMS systems that already have a beta version in HTML5 ?
- # [08:00] <MrWax> Drupal right?
- # [08:01] <tw2113> i like WordPress, personally
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- # [08:01] <tw2113> and since you have complete markup control, you can make it as html5'd as you want
- # [08:01] <cardona507> complete markup control - nice
- # [08:01] <cardona507> "do ya got mic control? do ya got complete markup control?" -sublime
- # [08:03] <tw2113> the only way you don't get markup control is if you use a template system like thesis or whathaveyou
- # [08:03] <tw2113> not template, framework
- # [08:03] <tw2113> that's the word i want
- # [08:04] <tw2113> i prefer working from scratch personally
- # [08:05] <MrWax> i mean more
- # [08:05] <MrWax> that the CMS itself uses all type of HTML5 features
- # [08:05] <MrWax> and is HTML5 compatible itself
- # [08:05] <tw2113> no idea then
- # [08:05] <MrWax> i.e. aloha editor (editing CMS text with contenteditable)
- # [08:05] <MrWax> its more stuff like this
- # [08:08] * tw2113 made a WordPress widget using figure and figcaption earlier
- # [08:08] <tw2113> we'll see how that works out for older browsers
- # [08:09] <tw2113> i wonder if modernizr would cover it
- # [08:09] <tw2113> or at least the shiv
- # [08:10] <tw2113> looks like it :D
- # [08:11] <MrWax> can anyone else maybe name some larger web app products (preferbly cms) that have a beta version of their app in HTML5?
- # [08:16] <tw2113> i got nothing
- # [08:18] <tw2113> time for sleep, night all
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- # [08:18] <MrWax> night
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- # [08:48] <l4rk> is there any way to coerce a file from fileapi into canvas?
- # [08:49] <l4rk> right now i'm using a fairly optimized base64 encoder in a web worker
- # [08:49] <l4rk> but thats ridiculously expensive
- # [08:49] <l4rk> like 5 minutes to load in a 1.5meg image
- # [08:51] <l4rk> mrdoob seems to have something working much better
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- # [08:52] <l4rk> oh god so easy
- # [08:52] <l4rk> thank god he keeps his source open
- # [09:00] <cardona507> open source ftw
- # [09:01] <Moo--> l4rk: what did you find?
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- # [09:06] <l4rk> Moo--: you can use FileReader to get dataURLs
- # [09:06] <l4rk> xD
- # [09:08] <l4rk> instead of converting the images to base64 yourself
- # [09:09] <Moo--> any kind of encoding in javascript sounds like a fail :X
- # [09:09] <l4rk> yeah seriously
- # [09:09] <l4rk> so slow
- # [09:09] <l4rk> about 5-10 minutes for a meg
- # [09:09] <l4rk> on v8
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- # [14:31] <threedot> does input type="file" have new css specification?
- # [14:31] <threedot> is it re-stolen?
- # [14:34] <threedot> i think, type="file" must like type="button" layout
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- # [15:30] <vjeux> hey
- # [15:30] <vjeux> I just wrote an article about Array (classical, canvas, typed) performances
- # [15:30] <vjeux> http://blog.vjeux.com/2010/javascript/javascript-array-performances.html
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- # [15:56] <cheilmann> afternoon
- # [15:57] <Peter`> Snowy afternoon, more specifically :)
- # [15:58] <tw2113> morning you two
- # [15:58] <tw2113> agreeing with the snow part
- # [15:59] <tw2113> damn it, now i have the Indiana Jones theme song stuck in my head
- # [15:59] <tw2113> it's just rattling around up there in all the empty space
- # [16:08] <cheilmann> hahaha
- # [16:09] <cheilmann> I loved that we recorded the "copyleft" version by dragging random colleagues into a meeting room
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- # [16:09] <cheilmann> The atmosphere in the Mozilla office rocks
- # [16:10] <tw2113> you didn't abduct them Jones style? Hide behind a crate, grab them, beat them up a little bit and then stand them up making them sing?
- # [16:10] <cheilmann> In case there is confusion, we're talking about the HTML5 video and map syncing demo: http://hacks.mozilla.org/2010/12/spirit-of-indiana-jones-syncing-html5-video-with-maps/
- # [16:10] <Peter`> Are you in Paris, cheilmann?
- # [16:10] <Peter`> Or Tokyo?
- # [16:10] <cheilmann> I am in Mountain View
- # [16:10] <Peter`> Heh, then it's far from afternoon for you
- # [16:10] <Peter`> 'morning :)
- # [16:10] <tw2113> i bet it's his internal clock speaking
- # [16:10] <cheilmann> yeah my laptop is still London time
- # [16:10] <cheilmann> and I am flying back on Sunday
- # [16:11] <Peter`> I figured London indeed, hence my snowy afternoon remark
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- # [16:11] * tw2113 extracts the Indiana Jones theme from his head with the help of the score to Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban
- # [16:12] <cheilmann> duh duh duh duh dah dah dah duh duh duh duuuuuuh da da da daaa daaa da...
- # [16:13] <tw2113> just out of curiousity, did you ever check out that pdf I DMed you cheilmann ?
- # [16:13] <cheilmann> I did but it was long
- # [16:14] <tw2113> i know....16 pages *nods*
- # [16:14] <cheilmann> I have back to back meetings right now - Filed it in my "on the plane" folder
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- # [16:14] <tw2113> word
- # [16:14] <tw2113> perfect time to, especially if people sitting near you wonder what's so funny
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- # [16:19] <MrWax> <link rel="stylesheet" <- this is not necessary anymore right in HTML5?
- # [16:22] <tw2113> <link rel="stylesheet" href="style.css">
- # [16:22] <tw2113> all you need i believe
- # [16:22] <tw2113> no more type="text/css"
- # [16:22] <MrWax> thanks
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- # [16:34] <pdelgallego> HI I am adapting my portfolio to use CSS3 Media queries, everything works fine, except the css3 transitions. I specified that the transition should only work for the box shadow property "transition-property: box-shadow;", but when the css3 media query is executed after resizing the browser the the height and width are also animated. This is the website
- # [16:34] <pdelgallego> http://pdelgallego.com/portfolio
- # [16:35] <pdelgallego> any idea what I am doing wrong? This happens on chrome 8.0.555
- # [16:37] <pdelgallego> I think is probably the change of the float property from "left" to "none" that is causing the problem. Any suggestion?
- # [16:39] <tw2113> couldn't tell ya myself
- # [16:41] <Rik`> pdelgallego: looks like a Chrome bug
- # [16:42] <pdelgallego> tw2113, Rik` , that what I was thinking. anyone of you use safary?
- # [16:42] <Rik`> pdelgallego: I've tested in Safari and Firefox4, no bug
- # [16:43] <pdelgallego> Rik`, ok, great, them I am not going to worry that much.
- # [16:44] <Rik`> pdelgallego: you can use the shortcut transition: box-shadow 0.5s ease;
- # [16:44] <Rik`> (with the -moz, -webkit and -o prefixes)
- # [16:44] <Rik`> Opera supports transitions too
- # [16:44] <Rik`> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/-moz-transition for the syntax of the shortcut
- # [16:45] <pdelgallego> Rik`, great, that will clean up the code a lot!
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- # [18:09] <bstar> embedding a theora stream (from a VLC server) works until the stream moves on to a new playlist item. viewing it in VLC works fine. is there a way to force the <video> element to stay connected across multiple playlist items?
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- # [18:11] <cheilmann> probably not - you can however check for the ended event and change the video src
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- # [18:12] <bstar> if the source remains the same (a playlist being streamed to a single mountpoint) could i have it reload the same source when a playlist item ends?
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- # [18:13] <bstar> or are you recommending that I recreate the playlist using separate streaming video files and some javascript to change the <video> src?
- # [18:16] * tw2113 accidentally got banned from #wordpress
- # [18:17] <tw2113> just for pasting a link to http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/
- # [18:18] * miketaylr bans tw2113
- # [18:18] <tw2113> zomg no
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- # [18:26] <tw2113> cardona507, i posted a link to the wtfpl, got temp removed :)
- # [18:27] <cardona507> why is that worthy of a ban?
- # [18:27] <cardona507> and are you sure it's temporaty?
- # [18:27] <tw2113> the room bot considered the resulting page offensive
- # [18:27] <cardona507> *temporary
- # [18:28] <cardona507> ahh
- # [18:28] <cardona507> i c
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- # [18:28] <tw2113> and i am back in again
- # [18:28] <cardona507> cool
- # [18:28] <cardona507> you would be like Cain withouth #wordpress
- # [18:28] <tw2113> only some days
- # [18:28] <tw2113> i'm kind of pulling hair cause a guy is kind of dense with editing files
- # [18:29] <tw2113> hair pulling ensues
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- # [18:44] <tw2113> cardona507, i think for the sake of posting a link to that license, it was worth the ban
- # [18:44] <cardona507> excellent
- # [18:44] <cardona507> so you're basically the julian assange of #wordpress?
- # [18:44] <tw2113> sure
- # [18:44] <cardona507> sweet
- # [18:46] <tw2113> of course, paul_irish missed all the fun
- # [18:46] <paul_irish> :'(
- # [18:46] <cardona507> something tells me that paul_irish ain't been missin no fun
- # [18:46] <tw2113> linked to wtfpl in #wordpress and the long arm of the bot slapped my ass with a temp ban
- # [18:47] <paul_irish> yay logs http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/html5/20101216
- # [18:47] <paul_irish> hah why? can't say wtf in #wordpress?
- # [18:47] <tw2113> the page was deemed to have offensive content
- # [18:48] <Rik`> cool that the wtfpl is spreading
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- # [18:48] <paul_irish> indeed
- # [18:48] <tw2113> why the fuck is my list not getting bullets?!?!!?!
- # [18:48] * tw2113 flips off his css
- # [18:48] <Rik`> sam is a friend and that's about the best license ever (only challenged by the beer license)
- # [18:48] <paul_irish> Rik`: o cool! yayQuery uses it for a bunch of stuff.
- # [18:49] <paul_irish> like bouncing ball plugin that was just featured on the HTML5 Advent Calendar
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- # [19:30] <paul_irish> omg do want. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_uHaL7S9EyE0/TQn6g6xXbaI/AAAAAAAAALU/NbTWEofx_3w/s1024/IMG_20101216_122605.jpg
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- # [19:34] <cheilmann> I counteract with http://www.flickr.com/photos/codepo8/5266582426/#/ Mozilla Japan Firefox stickers
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- # [19:36] <tw2113> how strange....google "IE motherfucker" and find the image i use for my droid wallpaper
- # [19:37] <tw2113> http://wd8.photoblog.pl/lvp4/200910/94/48921527.jpg
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- # [19:44] <cardona507> paul_irish: nice one
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- # [19:48] <mokush> why doesn't requirejs work with opera mobile?
- # [19:51] <paul_irish> goooood question! you should ping jamesburke about it
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- # [19:58] <cheilmann> Who has tickets for the 3D premiere of Tron tomorrow? I do :)
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- # [20:00] <p_nitsch> is there some sort of issue with the way chrome handles data:image?
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- # [20:00] <p_nitsch> causes frequent aw snaps :)
- # [20:00] <tw2113> i still need to see the first one
- # [20:02] <nimbupani> then you dont use the internet well enough.
- # [20:02] <tw2113> pretty much
- # [20:02] <tw2113> i evernoted a link to watching it online, thanks to cardona507
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- # [20:03] <cardona507> wurd
- # [20:04] <paul_irish> cheilmann: i do!
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- # [20:04] <paul_irish> p_nitsch: hmmm are you putImageData()ing the data:img shit?
- # [20:04] <Rik`> cheilmann: paul_irish: I hope it will be better than the first one…
- # [20:05] <paul_irish> i havent heard reports of that before. probably worth filing a ticket.
- # [20:05] <p_nitsch> i'm trying figure out why that webcam webgl experiment isn't working on chrome
- # [20:05] <paul_irish> ah.
- # [20:05] <p_nitsch> seems chrome is caching ever data:image
- # [20:05] <p_nitsch> every*
- # [20:06] <p_nitsch> but it crashes too fast for it to be a memory problem
- # [20:06] <p_nitsch> there a way to get an error report from crash?
- # [20:08] <p_nitsch> i've put the updated version online... http://www.peternitsch.net/demo/webglcam/
- # [20:08] <p_nitsch> firefox works no problem
- # [20:10] <paul_irish> OMG i just got sierpinski'd
- # [20:10] <p_nitsch> might be related to this... http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=44820
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- # [20:10] <nimbupani> ?g sierpinksi
- # [20:10] <bot-t> nimbupani, Sierpinski triangle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle
- # [20:10] <nimbupani> :/
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- # [20:10] <paul_irish> that is righteous
- # [20:11] <paul_irish> yeah looks similar
- # [20:11] <p_nitsch> thanks... just wish it would work in chrome :S
- # [20:13] <tw2113> perhaps next release
- # [20:13] <tw2113> ;)
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- # [20:14] <cardona507> why don't we have http://caniuse.com/ in the topic?
- # [20:14] <paul_irish> p_nitsch: can you isolate to a testcase and either tack it onto 44820 or file a new one?
- # [20:14] * cardona507 nudges paul_irish
- # [20:14] <paul_irish> cardona507: cuz.
- # [20:14] <p_nitsch> right
- # [20:15] <cardona507> ?
- # [20:15] <nimbupani> it should be in it i think.
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- # [20:15] <paul_irish> we can't really edit the topic without getting freenode ops to help out
- # [20:15] <paul_irish> so
- # [20:15] <paul_irish> its far from trivial
- # [20:16] <Peter-> ask them to transfer ownership to you
- # [20:16] <nimbupani> who owns it :/
- # [20:16] <paul_irish> i did, 5mo ago
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- # [20:16] <paul_irish> freenode owns it.
- # [20:16] <Peter-> [20:13:15] -ChanServ- Founder : freenode-staff
- # [20:16] <Peter-> yup
- # [20:16] <nimbupani> sigh
- # [20:17] <cardona507> double sigh
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- # [20:18] <cheilmann> wow
- # [20:19] <cheilmann> I have half an hour without meetings!
- # [20:20] <tw2113> time to party
- # [20:23] <cheilmann> funny you say that - there is a party tonight and it wasn't on the calendar
- # [20:24] <cheilmann> so I got my most messed up T-Shirt with toothpaste stains :)
- # [20:25] <Rik`> cheilmann: I'm not even there and I know there is a party, you haven't read your mails ;)
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- # [20:25] <cheilmann> Rik`: gee I wonder why; https://skitch.com/christianheilmann/rfcgb/zimbra-13-12-17-12
- # [20:26] <cheilmann> Stormy throws things at me when I have my laptop open in meetings
- # [20:29] <Rik`> I don't know who stormy is but google thinks it's a blonde chick who does not like to wear clothes
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- # [20:57] <cheilmann> I wished
- # [20:58] <cheilmann> https://{your username}:{your password}@api.del.icio.us/v1/posts/all is a good idea today
- # [20:58] <cheilmann> XML file of all your delicious bookmarks
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- # [20:59] <paul_irish> tweet that bro
- # [21:00] <paul_irish> also
- # [21:00] <paul_irish> https://secure.delicious.com/settings/bookmarks/export
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- # [21:25] <cardona507> i was just thinking about adding some bookmarks to delicious this morning - how odd
- # [21:26] <cheilmann> well you still can
- # [21:27] <cheilmann> http://www.wait-till-i.com/2010/12/16/backing-up-delicious-bookmarks/
- # [21:30] <danielfilho> I don't really think they'll kill delicious.
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- # [21:30] <nimbupani> its been confirmed
- # [21:31] <nimbupani> http://twitter.com/waxpancake/status/15500033445076995
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- # [21:34] <danielfilho> damn!
- # [21:34] <danielfilho> oh wait
- # [21:34] <danielfilho> makes no sense to me.
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- # [21:35] <danielfilho> they could make it an open-source project.
- # [21:35] <danielfilho> not just shut it.
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- # [22:21] <paul_irish> http://isthisanearthquake.com/
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- # [23:07] <tw2113> i think part of mediatemple went down
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- # [23:11] <tw2113> but it's back too
- # [23:12] <cardona507> tw2113: you rockin chrome 9?
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- # [23:12] <cardona507> 9.0.597.19 beta?
- # [23:13] <tw2113> still on 8.0.552.231
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- # [23:53] <JonathanNeal> Hello
- # [23:54] <cardona507> hola amigo
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The end :)