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  1. # Session Start: Sun Dec 19 00:00:00 2010
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  19. # [02:17] <bad_cables> is it possible to have an audio player but hide the audio files so they can not be downloaded?
  20. # [02:18] <bad_cables> in my web page
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  26. # [02:51] <paul_irish> bad_cables: there is always a way to get them.
  27. # [02:51] <paul_irish> but. you can make it moderately difficult.
  28. # [02:52] <paul_irish> garden fence level of protection.
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  34. # [03:57] <monteslu_chromeo> managed to get a cr-48
  35. # [03:58] <monteslu_chromeo> kinda would like xchat on it, but freenode webchat seems ok so far
  36. # [04:08] <l4rk> monteslu_chromeo: i really like the cr-48
  37. # [04:09] <monteslu_chromeo> i like it too
  38. # [04:09] <monteslu_chromeo> everything except the touchpad
  39. # [04:09] <monteslu_chromeo> its awful
  40. # [04:09] <l4rk> specifically the incredibly unbranded part
  41. # [04:09] <monteslu_chromeo> should have put two buttons on it
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  43. # [04:09] <l4rk> it has too much friction
  44. # [04:09] <monteslu_chromeo> very difficult to drag a mouse, or do a right click
  45. # [04:09] <monteslu_chromeo> but with a real mouse plugged in the thing is great
  46. # [04:10] <monteslu_chromeo> yeah, definetly too much friction on it
  47. # [04:10] <monteslu_chromeo> I wonder if its is designed to support android
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  49. # [04:15] <monteslu_chromeo> ahhh ALT+click = right click :)
  50. # [04:15] <monteslu_chromeo> much better now
  51. # [04:16] <paul_irish> i sent that to u. you're welcome.
  52. # [04:17] <monteslu_chromeo> you sent it me ?
  53. # [04:17] <l4rk> paul_irish: looking forward to mine next then :-p
  54. # [04:17] <paul_irish> you already have one
  55. # [04:17] <paul_irish> sorta
  56. # [04:17] <l4rk> yeah i'm so pumped about that
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  58. # [04:17] <monteslu_chromeo> oh, you sent it to l4rk :)
  59. # [04:18] <monteslu_chromeo> ok. google sent me mine, i think
  60. # [04:19] * paul_irish is on the chrome team, bro.
  61. # [04:20] <l4rk> hehe
  62. # [04:20] <monteslu_chromeo> had, no idea
  63. # [04:20] <monteslu_chromeo> You rock, dude!
  64. # [04:20] <monteslu_chromeo> thanks
  65. # [04:20] <paul_irish> i'm mostly more chrome/webkit than chromeos but hey i'll take the credit :)
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  67. # [04:22] <monteslu_chromeo> I'm gonna demo it and some webstore and some appengine channel api stuff at our gtug next month
  68. # [04:28] <monteslu_chromeo> thinking about doing the whiteboard thing, or maybe a the 2d platform jumper
  69. # [04:28] <monteslu_chromeo> only have an hour to gush over this stuff :)
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  71. # [04:35] <l4rk> paul_irish: any idea if you can access mass storage via usb in the cr-48?
  72. # [04:35] <monteslu> not out of the box :)
  73. # [04:35] <l4rk> i was able to get filesystem access but didn't see anything mounted
  74. # [04:35] <l4rk> yeah figures :-/
  75. # [04:35] <paul_irish> dunno about usb but i saw that about:flags gave you a bit more access to shit like that
  76. # [04:36] <monteslu> plugged in my g2 but didnt see anything happen
  77. # [04:36] <paul_irish> you guys flip the switch for developer mode?
  78. # [04:36] <monteslu> nope, was just searching for stuff about that
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  80. # [04:38] <monteslu> mounts, sorta
  81. # [04:38] * tw2113 watches Tron
  82. # [04:39] <monteslu> i see the same dev id I get when I plug my phone into my fedora box
  83. # [04:39] <tw2113> mmm fedora
  84. # [04:39] <monteslu> all I've done is enabled filesytem in about:flags
  85. # [04:39] <l4rk> monteslu: i was only able to get fs access through flash triggering the native dialog
  86. # [04:39] <l4rk> oh slick
  87. # [04:39] <l4rk> didn't realize it was there
  88. # [04:40] <monteslu> me either, until paul mentioned it
  89. # [04:40] <l4rk> ha
  90. # [04:40] <l4rk> but you see the dev uuid... hmmm
  91. # [04:40] <monteslu> the downloads dialog is showing it, but i cant drill down into folder
  92. # [04:40] <monteslu> yeah
  93. # [04:41] <monteslu> tw2113, yeah, fedora has been my main OS for a long time
  94. # [04:41] * monteslu needs to figure out dev mode
  95. # [04:41] <l4rk> wonder how the sd card interfaces
  96. # [04:41] <l4rk> if you can mount files from that
  97. # [04:41] <tw2113> i started with FC6 personally
  98. # [04:42] <monteslu> I started with redhat 5.1 :)
  99. # [04:42] <monteslu> but was just a server for me until fedora ~3 or so
  100. # [04:42] <l4rk> fedora is an old man os
  101. # [04:42] <monteslu> and then i ditched windows at home
  102. # [04:43] <monteslu> hah!
  103. # [04:43] <l4rk> distro*
  104. # [04:43] <monteslu> I am an old man, I guess
  105. # [04:43] <l4rk> seems like everyone over 30 i know uses fedora
  106. # [04:43] <monteslu> just found my first grey in beard yesterday, so thanks
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  108. # [04:43] <l4rk> well that helps validate my observation
  109. # [04:44] <monteslu> yeah, those kids and their ubuntus need to stay off my lawn
  110. # [04:44] * tw2113 is only 27
  111. # [04:44] * monteslu is only 35
  112. # [04:44] <l4rk> heh ubuntu is okay until you try and do anything serious
  113. # [04:45] <tw2113> ubuntu is for those who are tired of windows and too poor for a mac
  114. # [04:45] <tw2113> but don't REALLY want to learn how to admin their system
  115. # [04:47] <themiddleman> tw2113: are you saying all ubuntu users would rather have a mac?
  116. # [04:47] <tw2113> they want the "simplicity"
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  118. # [04:48] <themiddleman> the simplicity of every program being installable from, updated from, managed from 1 location?
  119. # [04:48] <themiddleman> :)
  120. # [04:48] <monteslu> time to drive the family around to see the lights, will enter cr48 dev mode upon return
  121. # [04:48] <l4rk> themiddleman: i think the flaw in that is that not *every* program is available from one location
  122. # [04:48] <snover> I’m so tired of people characterizing linux as some sort of incapable platform that nobody ever *really* wants to use except for the purposes of being cheap
  123. # [04:49] <l4rk> well it does run on cheap hardware
  124. # [04:49] <themiddleman> thank you snover
  125. # [04:49] <tw2113> i grew to love the idea behind open source/FOSS
  126. # [04:50] <tw2113> collaboration, sharing, etc
  127. # [04:50] <paul_irish> monteslu: dev mode will wipe your machine FYI. but you get a real-er shell and shit
  128. # [04:51] <l4rk> that is hot
  129. # [04:51] <snover> Ideologies aside, it’s still a really good platform on its own technical merits.
  130. # [04:52] <tw2113> i have problems when there are people who think "linux" and think "ubuntu"
  131. # [04:52] <tw2113> that's like thinking any pop is a diet coke
  132. # [04:52] <themiddleman> l4rk: it also runs on really expensive hardware http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOP500#November_2010_list
  133. # [04:53] <themiddleman> tw2113: what does that make windows, drain cleaner?
  134. # [04:55] <themiddleman> anyway, chances are soon I will have a MBP through work and I will decide for certain the best OS
  135. # [04:55] <l4rk> themiddleman: huh? the point i was making was that if you had really cheap old hardware linux is probably a better choice than something like windows 7
  136. # [04:56] <snover> l4rk: It came off as though you were saying that cheap people like Linux because it runs on cheap hardware
  137. # [04:56] <l4rk> i don't think that makes any sense
  138. # [04:56] <l4rk> unless you are a cheap nerd
  139. # [04:57] <tw2113> what about the frugal ones?
  140. # [04:57] <l4rk> tw2113: i dunno, i think operating systems is really a personal thing that is separate from the hardware
  141. # [04:57] <l4rk> is/are
  142. # [04:58] <l4rk> i triple boot my desktop and i end up booting into a particular os for a reason, gaming, deving, casual use, etc.
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  144. # [04:58] <tw2113> if you're a gamer, probably best to go with Win
  145. # [04:59] <l4rk> yeah, thats why i boot into windows like once a month :-p
  146. # [04:59] <tw2113> web development stuff is best for linux/mac, imho
  147. # [04:59] <l4rk> cygwin is pretty good just very very slow
  148. # [05:00] <l4rk> i was doing django/node dev in cygwin and recently switched over to linux, much happier now
  149. # [05:01] <l4rk> so yea i'd agree :-p
  150. # [05:02] <snover> l4rk: have you used persevere?
  151. # [05:02] <tw2113> i'm still kicking myself a bit for not using gedit to its full capabilities
  152. # [05:02] <l4rk> nope any good snover?
  153. # [05:02] <snover> l4rk: That’s what I’m working on figuring out
  154. # [05:02] <snover> On first blush it seems pretty awesome
  155. # [05:03] <snover> RESTful data with access controls, session management, independent data store backends
  156. # [05:03] <l4rk> dojo foundation project hrm
  157. # [05:04] <tw2113> i think i just got to the part in Tron that the new movie starts mentioning
  158. # [05:04] <tw2113> when Jeff Bridges gets sucked in
  159. # [05:04] <l4rk> original tron was a weird movie
  160. # [05:05] <tw2113> definitely ahead of its time
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  163. # [05:14] <tw2113> interesting rendition of tennis
  164. # [05:16] <monteslu> ok, I'm not ready to wipe the machine yet. I'm still gonna play with it stock mode for a while
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  166. # [05:17] <monteslu> the transitions between chrome windows seems hardware accelrated.
  167. # [05:17] <monteslu> wonder if anything else is using the gpu
  168. # [05:18] <monteslu> err, taking advantage of the gpu i mean
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  236. # [14:07] <piklu> hello
  237. # [14:12] <Ms2ger> Hi
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  239. # [14:31] <piklu> Ms2ger : hello
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  248. # [15:16] <Moo--> is there a finally way to vertically align text in <div> in sane manner?
  249. # [15:16] <Moo--> (webkit)?
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  251. # [15:26] <Ms2ger> Moo--, try fiddling with display:table?
  252. # [15:27] <Moo--> Ms2ger: no. that's why there was the "sane" part >_>
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  272. # [16:43] <Moo--> Ms2ger: there was no sane way
  273. # [16:44] <Moo--> Ms2ger: had to resort inline-block wrapping table-cell
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  283. # [18:55] <piklu> [ Anybody interesting in participating in a project for Web UI's against a share of profits can contact me ]
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  297. # [19:30] <Mussious> Hello
  298. # [19:33] <Mussious> Anyone here?
  299. # [19:35] <piklu> yeah me
  300. # [19:37] <Mussious> I have a problem: today by an accident I changed permissions to the parrent directory of my site, now I have 403 forbidden. How to solve that?
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  302. # [19:37] <Mussious> In addition i can't get to the site by ftp client.
  303. # [19:38] <Mussious> I*
  304. # [19:38] <piklu> if u get a shell to connect
  305. # [19:38] <piklu> chmod the folder
  306. # [19:38] <piklu> and change it back
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  308. # [19:39] <Mussious> I connect by the gFTP
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  310. # [19:40] <piklu> nimbupani: hello
  311. # [19:40] <nimbupani> hai piklu :)
  312. # [19:41] <Mussious> hi
  313. # [19:41] <piklu> u cant use FTP to change permissions if u cant access the folder right niw
  314. # [19:41] <piklu> nimbupani: india?
  315. # [19:41] <nimbupani> no seattle :)
  316. # [19:41] <piklu> ok, but indian ?
  317. # [19:41] <nimbupani> no :)
  318. # [19:42] <piklu> nimbupani, ur name in hindi means lemon water
  319. # [19:42] <nimbupani> i know that piklu :D
  320. # [19:42] <nimbupani> this is me: http://nimbupani.com
  321. # [19:43] <piklu> nice looks buddy
  322. # [19:43] <piklu> where from ?
  323. # [19:43] <piklu> what u do
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  326. # [20:03] <paul_irish> nimbu makes web sites.
  327. # [20:03] <paul_irish> Mussious: sorry we cant really help you with that problem here
  328. # [20:03] <Mussious> Ok, NP
  329. # [20:05] <nimbupani> much like everyone else here.
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  331. # [20:12] <piklu> nimbupani: what are ur ages?
  332. # [20:12] <piklu> paul_irish: u too
  333. # [20:13] <paul_irish> we're both like 27 or something
  334. # [20:14] <piklu> any of u good at jquery ?
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  336. # [20:15] <l4rk> piklu: yeah but i think if you have a question #jquery is the place to be
  337. # [20:16] <piklu> nope, instead I need some guys to build a webapplications, i ll get share of profits in return
  338. # [20:16] <piklu> i need UI guys
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  340. # [20:18] <piklu> paul_irish: can i message u?
  341. # [20:19] <paul_irish> yes, but only to stop you from being off-topic publicly
  342. # [20:19] <piklu> he he
  343. # [20:19] <piklu> why not make channel
  344. # [20:20] <paul_irish> #Jquery is the channel to advertise it once. afterwards you post on jobs.jsninja.com
  345. # [20:20] <piklu> I am posting there
  346. # [20:21] <piklu> But do u wanna give it a shot ?
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  348. # [20:25] <Wizek> hi there
  349. # [20:27] <piklu> hi
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  358. # [21:09] <jmburnz> I have a questing in regards to figure and figcaption use, is it suitable for marking up all images - I'm working in Drupal 7 which has Image Fields (which have their own template), and are embedded into posts, but not always, Image fields could be used to build a gallery or other usage, so my question is would figure/figcaption be suitable for making up ALL images, or only those such as graphs
  359. # [21:09] <jmburnz> or other referenced images from the post?
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  361. # [21:12] <tw2113> i have that combination applied to images of children for some site i'm working on through my dayjob
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  373. # [22:10] <w0oter> 'upToDate
  374. # [22:11] <w0oter> any good books to hit the ground running with html5?
  375. # [22:11] <w0oter> or other sources...
  376. # [22:11] <w0oter> besides the urls in the topic i guess heh
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  406. # [22:19] <jmburnz> tw2113: do you have a link to some of those sites, I'd be most interseted in seeing that in action
  407. # [22:20] <tw2113> since it's still in development, i probably shouldn't
  408. # [22:21] <tw2113> but it's a simple <figure><img src="" /><figcaption>2010</figcaption></figure>
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  440. # [22:27] <themiddleman> ok
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  442. # [22:30] <jmburnz> tw2113: yeah, that is what I am doing now, thanks for the feedback
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