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  10. # [00:07] <cardona507> paul_irish: on the front page of hacker news w00t
  11. # [00:14] <tw2113> someone needs to fire the editor then :P
  12. # [00:17] <tw2113> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc&;
  13. # [00:17] <paul_irish> cardona507: yah.. about to fall off the front page too
  14. # [00:17] <tw2113> even Carl Sagan isn't safe from remix
  15. # [00:17] <cardona507> what goes up must come down
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  19. # [00:25] <paulrouget> I'm trying to figure out what are the best options to encode a vp8/webm video.
  20. # [00:26] * paulrouget is looking for a VP8 to FFMPEG option mapping.
  21. # [00:26] <paulrouget> any idea?
  22. # [00:26] <paul_irish> miro video converter is pretty painless and traightforward
  23. # [00:26] <paulrouget> hmmm
  24. # [00:27] <paul_irish> somewhere inside https://github.com/8planes/mirovideoconverter/tree/master/Mac i bet you can find the ffmpeg commands they use
  25. # [00:27] <paulrouget> I want to know what I'm doing actually :)
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  27. # [00:27] <paul_irish> psh! knowing things.. overrated. )
  28. # [00:27] <paul_irish> :)
  29. # [00:27] <paulrouget> I'm not looking for a command line, I'm looking for the set of available options
  30. # [00:27] <paulrouget> :)
  31. # [00:27] <paulrouget> from vpxenc to ffmpeg
  32. # [00:28] <paulrouget> http://www.webmproject.org/tools/encoder-parameters/
  33. # [00:28] <paulrouget> and sounds like ffmpeg doesn't support preset for vpx yet
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  35. # [00:30] <paul_irish> hmm.
  36. # [00:30] <tw2113> i wonder how easily we could get free firefox/mozilla shirts out of christian
  37. # [00:31] <l4rk> tickle his feet while he sips tea
  38. # [00:32] <paul_irish> you could probably get one out of paul if you solve his vp8 encoding woes. :)
  39. # [00:32] <paulrouget> exactly!
  40. # [00:33] <paulrouget> :)
  41. # [00:33] <tw2113> wmv!
  42. # [00:33] <tw2113> jk *runs for his life*
  43. # [00:33] <paulrouget> :)
  44. # [00:37] <tw2113> http://www.romancortes.com/blog/how-i-did-the-1kb-christmas-tree/
  45. # [00:39] <paulrouget> yeah, this guy is awesome :)
  46. # [00:39] <cheilmann> Just discovered the Flying Spaghetti Monster on the Christmas Tree in reception: http://www.flickr.com/photos/codepo8/5278261637/in/photostream/
  47. # [00:40] <tw2113> cheilmann any pirates vs ninjas debates located in the office?
  48. # [00:41] <paulrouget> tw2113: it's more about zombies here.
  49. # [00:41] <cheilmann> wow, that christmas tree is so win
  50. # [00:41] <tw2113> you work there too paulrouget ?
  51. # [00:42] <tw2113> google does not lie
  52. # [00:42] <paulrouget> :)
  53. # [00:42] <tw2113> pirate zombies > ninja zombies
  54. # [00:42] <cheilmann> very tempted to do a snowglobe you can use by shaking your computer
  55. # [00:43] <cheilmann> I normally keep Paul in his office down in the basement of the secret volcano lair. That's where he should be - except he is not evil.
  56. # [00:43] <cheilmann> \
  57. # [00:43] <paulrouget> ^^
  58. # [00:44] * tw2113 found a new person to follow on twitter thanks to this convo
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  60. # [00:45] <tw2113> and by that i mean stalk and incessantly @reply
  61. # [00:46] <cheilmann> Wikileaks mirrors on Google Earth - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jx54EkNeGR4
  62. # [00:46] <cheilmann> pretty cool
  63. # [00:47] <danielfilho> hey cheilmann! long time no see :D
  64. # [00:47] <tw2113> yeah, something tells me those documents aren't going away anytime soon
  65. # [00:47] <cheilmann> heyho
  66. # [00:47] <danielfilho> cheilmann: i'm from the y! hackday brazil, f1 results :D the beard one
  67. # [00:47] <cheilmann> so now arrington leaks out internal AOL memos
  68. # [00:47] <cheilmann> lame
  69. # [00:47] <danielfilho> (beard not to say fat)
  70. # [00:48] <cheilmann> danielfilho: can't remember a F1 demo with a beard - there was one with cool design :)
  71. # [00:48] <tw2113> any AOL documents about their real intentions with all those blasted CDs they shipped out?
  72. # [00:48] <cheilmann> Yeah, I remember :)
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  74. # [00:48] <cheilmann> tw2113: I remember a friend once had a "free floppy disks" web site linked to the AOL sign-up web site back then :)
  75. # [00:48] <danielfilho> damn, I was the beard. the demo was fancy. haha
  76. # [00:49] <cheilmann> "just erase them when they arrive"
  77. # [00:49] <danielfilho> btw, desandro comes here?
  78. # [00:49] <cheilmann> not that I know
  79. # [00:49] <cheilmann> did you guys get hired by Y! ?
  80. # [00:49] <cheilmann> I did tell them to hunt you back then
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  82. # [00:50] <danielfilho> they called me but I've just started on another job (thanks to the hackday buzz)
  83. # [00:51] <danielfilho> fabio was, but today he was fired :/
  84. # [00:51] <danielfilho> he and everyone on his area (if I was hired that time, I'd be fired too)
  85. # [00:52] <tw2113> Mozilla medical exam day? http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/funny-celebrity-pictures-time-for-the-company-medical-exam.jpg
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  88. # [00:52] <cheilmann> that was a boring episode I think
  89. # [00:52] <cheilmann> "tend to the widow pac man" was OK
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  91. # [00:53] <cheilmann> gah
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  95. # [00:56] <tw2113> woo 1/3rd done for the week
  96. # [01:00] <tw2113> apparently AOL is set to buy about.me
  97. # [01:01] <cheilmann> did already
  98. # [01:01] <cheilmann> just went past a desk of someone who left the company
  99. # [01:01] <tw2113> touche
  100. # [01:01] <cheilmann> big sign "301" on the desk :)))
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  102. # [01:02] <tw2113> brb, grabbing laundry
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  105. # [01:10] <cardona507> I'm on the fourth page of hacker news - help me push it higher http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2026157
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  107. # [01:12] <cardona507> 3rd page
  108. # [01:22] <paulrouget> How does this thing work? http://gruppler.dojotoolkit.org/
  109. # [01:22] <paulrouget> (2nd example)
  110. # [01:22] <paulrouget> is this just white boxes on top with opacity animated?
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  115. # [01:24] <cheilmann> probably
  116. # [01:24] <cheilmann> wow this is so powerpoint
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  118. # [01:25] <tw2113> has there been a huge flare up in Dr. Who Fandom in the last year or two or did I just not see all the rampant love for awhile?
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  121. # [01:48] <paul_irish> cheilmann: have you looked at getting html slideshows INTO slideshare?
  122. # [01:48] <paul_irish> i've been toying with canvas to replicate gradient backgrounds... then some print css.. print as PDF. and upload
  123. # [01:49] <paul_irish> paulrouget: i think its lots of cloned divs with either css clip or some parent's overflow:hidden
  124. # [01:49] <paulrouget> erf
  125. # [01:49] <paulrouget> okay
  126. # [01:50] <cheilmann> paul they are looking at that - right now they are not paying me
  127. # [01:50] <cheilmann> :)
  128. # [01:50] <cheilmann> they have some other cool ideas though
  129. # [01:50] <paulrouget> ?
  130. # [01:50] <paulrouget> oh
  131. # [01:50] <nimbupani> too many pauls
  132. # [01:50] <paulrouget> paul == paul_irish
  133. # [01:50] <cheilmann> hah
  134. # [01:50] <cheilmann> its like "chris" in the office
  135. # [01:50] <cheilmann> :)
  136. # [01:50] <paul_irish> heh.
  137. # [01:50] <paulrouget> exactly :)
  138. # [01:51] <cheilmann> paul_irish: media queries to have notes on one monitor and the presentation on the other
  139. # [01:51] <cheilmann> paulrouget did that with websockets
  140. # [01:51] <cheilmann> :)
  141. # [01:52] <paulrouget> If I'm fired, I'll create my own awesome companies and create an awesome HTML5 Slides project.
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  143. # [01:52] <paul_irish> \o/ dz slides to the max!
  144. # [01:53] <paulrouget> ^^
  145. # [01:55] <cheilmann> http://280slides.com/
  146. # [01:55] <cheilmann> is pretty awesome
  147. # [01:55] <paulrouget> it is
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  150. # [01:58] <danielfilho> well, see you guys tomorrow! nice to talk to you cheilmann :D
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  154. # [02:05] <cheilmann> I just don't like COCOA
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  163. # [03:21] <nimbupani> is there anyway to make sure whitespace betwee a dt-dd pair dont wrap?
  164. # [03:24] <paul_irish> display:table-cell ? :/
  165. # [03:26] <nimbupani> table-cell :|
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  171. # [03:58] <tw2113> http://current.com/102vo4c
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  258. # [10:48] <craigbarnes> Does anyone use Hyde static generator?
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  263. # [11:29] <mokush> does anybody know if the device-width media query changes with orientation?
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  278. # [11:54] <JKarsrud> are h1-h6 the only child elements allowed in hgroup?
  279. # [11:56] <spliter> JKarsrud: I would say so - http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-hgroup-element
  280. # [11:57] <JKarsrud> Yeah, I thought so. Just had to convince a colleague who has been using it wrong
  281. # [11:58] <spliter> JKarsrud: the name 'hgroup' is pretty self-explanatory in my opinion - it groups headers
  282. # [11:58] <JKarsrud> Yup
  283. # [11:58] <JKarsrud> I totally agree :=)
  284. # [11:58] <spliter> :)
  285. # [11:59] <spliter> mokush: I think the device-width is changing. But not sure. At least orientation is changing for sure ;)
  286. # [11:59] <JKarsrud> The problem here is that two headers in a hgroup link to the same page, so they're both wrapped in the same a-element
  287. # [11:59] <JKarsrud> like <a><h1><h2></a>
  288. # [12:00] <spliter> JKarsrud: ah, I see. I think you need to re-mark them in old-fashioned way and put link inside each H element
  289. # [12:00] <spliter> JKarsrud: have you tried to send that markup to validator?
  290. # [12:00] <mokush> spliter: I sure hope it does, because orientation doesn't help me a lot, and don't really want to resort to js for a simple width.
  291. # [12:01] <JKarsrud> spliter: Yup, that's why came in here to ask if it really was the case, because my colleague didn't like the spec :P
  292. # [12:02] <spliter> JKarsrud: I agree - specs are boring. Sometimes it's more fun to google for a solution and get the same answer but in less boring way ;)
  293. # [12:02] * spliter does this all the time
  294. # [12:02] <JKarsrud> True
  295. # [12:03] <spliter> mokush: seems like device-width at least on iOS doesn't change with orientation - http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2010/04/the_orientation.html
  296. # [12:03] <spliter> mokush: not sure how relevant to iOS4 that post is
  297. # [12:05] <mokush> spliter: there's a comment that says orientatin was added in ios 3.2. Wonder if they also changed the way device-width works with it.
  298. # [12:05] <mokush> spliter: apple as such bastards with their all-around lock it. there's absolutely no way to test other than buying their hardware. very. expensive. hardware.
  299. # [12:07] <JKarsrud> isn't the screen width on iOS 980px either way?
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  301. # [12:08] <mkwst> mokush: you can download the SDK and test via the simulator.
  302. # [12:08] <JKarsrud> not the same
  303. # [12:09] <mokush> mkwst: I don't own a mac. as I said, very expensive.
  304. # [12:09] <mkwst> it isn't the _same_, but it's pretty close. not having a mac at all would be a problem, you're right.
  305. # [12:09] <JKarsrud> the simulator works for testing things fast, but nothing beats the real deal
  306. # [12:09] <mokush> I live in eastern europe. spending 1000$ dollars on a stupid mac would be like shooting myself in the face with a double-barell shotgun.
  307. # [12:10] <JKarsrud> Come to norway like everyone else? :)
  308. # [12:11] <mkwst> understood. cost is certainly an issue; an option might be to go for something older. you don't need the latest hardware to build interesting apps. ebay might be worth a look if you're interested. if not, there's always android. :)
  309. # [12:11] <mokush> JKarsrud: tell nokia or qt to give me a job there, and I'll meet you at the oslo airport
  310. # [12:12] <JKarsrud> Yeah, I see the problem
  311. # [12:12] <mokush> mkwst: I'm doing testing with the android sdk, but I've hit some big differences between the ios browser and the android one.
  312. # [12:13] <mkwst> they're certainly different. both webkit, but not at all the same version.
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  319. # [12:48] <craigbarnes_> I have a couple of iPhones you can have for free
  320. # [12:48] <craigbarnes_> horrible little piece of technology
  321. # [12:49] <mokush> craigbarnes_: are you serious?
  322. # [12:49] <craigbarnes_> mokush: lol I'm serious about it being horrible yes
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  324. # [12:49] <craigbarnes_> but not about giving them away :P
  325. # [12:50] <mokush> craigbarnes_: well you could finaly get some peace of mind without them.
  326. # [12:51] <craigbarnes_> mokush: iPhone works just fine but you have to pay Apple through the nose every time you do anything
  327. # [12:51] <craigbarnes_> and you are pretty much forced to use it as they want you to
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  329. # [12:52] <mokush> craigbarnes_: is there anything you don't have to pay apple for? With the appstore, they'll charge you with changeing the damn wallpaper
  330. # [12:52] <craigbarnes_> I thought I could live with it but it's beyond annoying now
  331. # [12:53] <craigbarnes_> even before "Apps" existed they charged you for changing your ring-tone
  332. # [12:53] <craigbarnes_> and they made sure the free ones they included were annoying as hell
  333. # [12:54] <craigbarnes_> smart move
  334. # [12:54] <craigbarnes_> The App Store is moderated
  335. # [12:54] <craigbarnes_> Repairs are basically limited to Apple stores
  336. # [12:55] <craigbarnes_> The hardware routinely breaks every 12 months
  337. # [12:55] <craigbarnes_> Nexus S for me
  338. # [12:56] <craigbarnes_> The lamest thing is that they don't even have to compete in their closed little market
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  409. # [18:18] <paul_irish> nimbupani:
  410. # [18:18] <paul_irish> good morning
  411. # [18:18] <nimbupani> YOOOO
  412. # [18:19] <nimbupani> hows the glorious morning for you?
  413. # [18:19] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/i/dc60.png
  414. # [18:19] <paul_irish> my tummy hurts
  415. # [18:19] <nimbupani> ROFLZZZZZZZ
  416. # [18:19] <paul_irish> bitch i'm gettin my face on some CD-ROMZZZZ
  417. # [18:20] <nimbupani> i am glad I am not! I dont want to be associated with such antiquated tech!
  418. # [18:20] <paul_irish> lol
  419. # [18:20] <paul_irish> cant wait
  420. # [18:20] <nimbupani> what part of public domain is hard to understand!
  421. # [18:20] <paul_irish> i know rite
  422. # [18:20] <paul_irish> so they're putting html5 boilerplate on the effing cd-rom
  423. # [18:20] <paul_irish> thats hilarious
  424. # [18:20] <nimbupani> :D :D :D
  425. # [18:20] <paul_irish> i think we should celebrate.
  426. # [18:20] <nimbupani> totes
  427. # [18:21] <paul_irish> tw2113: Champagne, squire!
  428. # [18:21] <nimbupani> i will be in san josé gobbling delish food to celebrate.
  429. # [18:21] * tw2113 puts on his butler suit
  430. # [18:21] <nimbupani> :D :D :D
  431. # [18:22] <tw2113> i like that magazine
  432. # [18:22] <paul_irish> nimbupani: u serious? you going to SJ?
  433. # [18:22] <nimbupani> YES
  434. # [18:22] <nimbupani> 23rd to 28th
  435. # [18:22] * tw2113 distributes champagne
  436. # [18:22] <nimbupani> relatives nonsense :/
  437. # [18:22] <paul_irish> aww we missing eachother bummr
  438. # [18:22] * nimbupani clinks glasses
  439. # [18:22] * paul_irish GULPS
  440. # [18:22] <paul_irish> omg fucking bubbles
  441. # [18:22] * paul_irish *snort*
  442. # [18:22] <nimbupani> O NOES where will you be paul_irish
  443. # [18:23] <tw2113> bubbles the monkey is here?
  444. # [18:23] <paul_irish> nimbupani: flying to the east coast tmw. back the 1st
  445. # [18:23] <nimbupani> oh naice.
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  447. # [18:24] <danielfilho> hahaha, just read the cd-rom stuff from paul_irish. It might be a viral from about.me/aol!
  448. # [18:25] <paul_irish> genius.
  449. # [18:25] <paul_irish> they're makin a comeback.
  450. # [18:25] <danielfilho> should we call terminator?
  451. # [18:26] <danielfilho> Arnold stills governor of California?
  452. # [18:26] <tw2113> i was impressed with the latest Web Designer Magazine copy in the US...i was able to remove the cd rom without completely ripping a hole in the page it was stuck to
  453. # [18:27] <tw2113> i tried getting .Net magazine to share their gluing secrets, but i doubt it happened
  454. # [18:27] <tw2113> interesing captcha http://yfrog.com/h2xovp
  455. # [18:27] <danielfilho> hahaha
  456. # [18:28] <danielfilho> I live in a third world country and haven't touched a cd-rom media for about a year. Except my vintage albums from Pantera, Slayer, Down, Pink Floyd and Gipsy Kings. OH, WAIT!
  457. # [18:29] <paul_irish> tw2113: i never got a copy of the one with me in it.
  458. # [18:29] <paul_irish> sadness.
  459. # [18:29] <tw2113> doh
  460. # [18:29] <tw2113> i wonder how easy back issues are to acquire
  461. # [18:29] * paul_irish finds which issue to backorder
  462. # [18:30] <tw2113> issue 208
  463. # [18:30] <tw2113> "Top 20 Fonts For The Web" on the cover
  464. # [18:30] <paul_irish> effing fonts.
  465. # [18:31] <paul_irish> :) thx tw!
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  467. # [18:31] <tw2113> while it's nice and cool to have your picture in magazines....i'd be more happy with something i created being mentioned freaking everywhere
  468. # [18:31] <tw2113> aka modernizr
  469. # [18:31] <tw2113> that thing took off like a zombie plague
  470. # [18:32] <paul_irish> if by that you mean terribly slow and uncertain of where its going
  471. # [18:32] <paul_irish> then yes.
  472. # [18:32] <paul_irish> i think head.js has more github followers than modernizr
  473. # [18:32] <tw2113> slow in further development or slow in actual use?
  474. # [18:32] <paul_irish> modernizr had and has a few branding issues
  475. # [18:32] <paul_irish> slow in adoption.
  476. # [18:33] <tw2113> i keep seeing it mentioned, but i may be looking at a smaller pool
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  478. # [18:33] <tw2113> or pay too much attention to forward thinking peopl
  479. # [18:33] <tw2113> i'd also probably look more at the site stats than the github repo, most people don't know how to use git
  480. # [18:34] <tw2113> oh well
  481. # [18:35] <tw2113> i need to actually use it more myself....but part of that is designs that i can use the new hotness techniques with
  482. # [18:36] <tw2113> i think this was danielfilho's work http://failblog.org/2010/12/21/epic-fail-photos-bilboard-juxtaposition-fail/
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  484. # [18:39] <danielfilho> O_O
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  486. # [18:39] <danielfilho> damn. I've been discovered.
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  488. # [18:40] <danielfilho> please, don't tell anyone. haha
  489. # [18:40] <tw2113> i think failblog already did
  490. # [18:40] <danielfilho> I made it using html5 and css3.
  491. # [18:40] <tw2113> and jquery?
  492. # [18:40] <tw2113> or jqueer?
  493. # [18:40] <danielfilho> no, that time I was into scriptaculous.
  494. # [18:41] <tw2113> http://jqueery.com/
  495. # [18:41] <danielfilho> anyway, jQuery is the one which have a podcast called yayQuery. It's not the most male of the libs.
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  497. # [18:41] <paul_irish> yayQuery is so gay
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  499. # [18:41] <danielfilho> I have a friend called Irae, he says "jQueery"
  500. # [18:41] <danielfilho> for jQuery.
  501. # [18:42] <paul_irish> you're friends with @irae ?
  502. # [18:42] <paul_irish> he's a cool cat.
  503. # [18:42] <danielfilho> yup
  504. # [18:42] <tw2113> it should rename to yayqueery?
  505. # [18:42] <danielfilho> we've worked together
  506. # [18:42] <danielfilho> sometime
  507. # [18:42] <danielfilho> he made the F1 Results with me and @fabiodan
  508. # [18:42] <paul_irish> well you tell him hi and i'll tell my cohosts you guys think our podcast is queer. <3
  509. # [18:42] <danielfilho> the team was only me and Fabio, then we invited him
  510. # [18:42] <danielfilho> HAHAHA
  511. # [18:43] <danielfilho> unicorns, hearts, wine, ice-shape-talks.
  512. # [18:43] <danielfilho> .
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  514. # [18:43] <paul_irish> :)
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  516. # [18:43] * tw2113 makes a mental note to search itunes for php based podcasts once he returns to the office
  517. # [18:43] <danielfilho> anyway, I can't stop watching that. But I can't let my father know that.
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  519. # [18:44] <tw2113> time to go pick up my car from the oil change place, bbl
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  522. # [18:46] <danielfilho> the guys here at work were smashing their skulls looking for what was taking the port 80
  523. # [18:46] <danielfilho> I told: did you tried to type localhost on the address bar?
  524. # [18:46] <danielfilho> they did and BAM. XAMP.
  525. # [18:46] <danielfilho> genius.
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  528. # [18:52] <danielfilho> have you guys seem this? http://d0z.me/
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  533. # [19:02] <paul_irish> it makes a bigass iframe.
  534. # [19:03] <paul_irish> and spins up 3 web workers
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  546. # [19:21] <paul_irish> http://ko-design.com/img/blog/html5_ohmy.jpg
  547. # [19:22] <danielfilho> paul_irish: http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/12/20/2248219/D0zme-mdash-the-Evil-URL-Shortener
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  554. # [19:26] <paul_irish> http://html5labs.interoperabilitybridges.com/
  555. # [19:32] <mokush_> has anybody worked with jquery mobile and dynamic markup?
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  575. # [20:32] <paul_irish> sup
  576. # [20:32] * paul_irish nw: http://developer.yahoo.com/blogs/ydn/posts/2007/01/lars_knoll_and_george_staikos/
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  580. # [20:38] <Peter`> that's old :p
  581. # [20:38] <Peter`> informative video though
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  589. # [20:56] <paul_irish> in case anyone else is interested.. webkit reviewers by employer http://paulirish.com/i/1130.png
  590. # [20:56] <paul_irish> /cc Peter`
  591. # [20:57] <Peter`> we should link all committers' addresses to company names
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  593. # [20:57] <Peter`> I've got a list of all commits with their authors
  594. # [21:00] <miketaylr> let's send them a mass email, ccing them all saying 'thanks guys!!'
  595. # [21:01] <miketaylr> then Peter` can reply all saying, please take me off this list...and BOOM
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  598. # [21:06] <fission6> i am looking for a slick form similar to that of a scantron or a survey where questions are on the left and there is a 1-4 grid on the right to choose - anyone have a decent example of this?
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  601. # [21:11] <paul_irish> sounds like radio buttons in a table.
  602. # [21:12] <mokush> paul_irish: If only apple would be using the same resources to contribute changes upstream to kde..
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  604. # [21:13] <paul_irish> sean`: jquery dataset would be a problem with <div data-awesome-hyphens="coolbro">
  605. # [21:13] <paul_irish> mokush: i just was reading a lot about that and it seems there was a lot of healthy upstreaming
  606. # [21:14] <paul_irish> but now tbh it's just silly for remaining KHTML browsers to not adopt webkit.
  607. # [21:14] <sean`> hmpfz
  608. # [21:15] <sean`> awesomeHyphens :/
  609. # [21:15] <mokush> paul_irish: everyone involved with kde I talked about said, at first anyway, there was absolutely no upstreaming. and then they proposed the devs to sign some paper, in order to get access to the code.. absurd
  610. # [21:15] <paul_irish> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit#History
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  612. # [21:16] <mokush> yes, sticking with khtml right now is pretty silly cosidering the amount of work put into webkit. but I just wonder if there would have been real upstreaming, how would khtml look today.
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  614. # [21:16] <paul_irish> it'd look better.
  615. # [21:16] <paul_irish> :)
  616. # [21:16] <mokush> better than webkit today? :P
  617. # [21:18] <tw2113> aye, this is annoying
  618. # [21:18] <mokush> btw, the kde people are still working on konqueror, and planing some sort of 'all-around-browser', not just 'web-browser'. I'll be curious how that turns out.
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  621. # [21:18] <tw2113> needing to fix some small issues on a live site that i lack the ftp acess to
  622. # [21:19] <tw2113> and the person with the access info, is gone
  623. # [21:19] <mokush> tw2113: bruteforce
  624. # [21:19] <paul_irish> mokush: to beat FF who sunsetted gopher support?
  625. # [21:19] <paul_irish> :p
  626. # [21:21] <mokush> paul_irish: that's just mean
  627. # [21:22] <paul_irish> hehe i dont know what else the 'all-around' would do?
  628. # [21:22] <paul_irish> Second Life support?
  629. # [21:22] <paul_irish> mean again! sry.
  630. # [21:23] <snover> paul_irish: well, konqueror is a file browser & web browser
  631. # [21:24] <mokush> well it's all fun and games, but I'm making a "best viewd with webkit" animated 256 gif right now.
  632. # [21:24] <tw2113> too bad it's KDE
  633. # [21:24] <tw2113> :D
  634. # [21:24] <mokush> tw2113: what your problem with kde? osx fanboy?
  635. # [21:24] <paul_irish> snover: oic.
  636. # [21:24] <tw2113> pfft
  637. # [21:24] <tw2113> Gnome :D
  638. # [21:25] <snover> gnome, yuck. WAR
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  640. # [21:25] <snover> paul_irish: they started to replace the file browsing part with dolphin so it’s news to me that they are trying to un-re-separate them
  641. # [21:25] <l4rk> kde is bloated and ugly
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  644. # [21:25] <l4rk> mokush: ^^
  645. # [21:25] <mokush> snover: hell yeah. choose your destiny!
  646. # [21:25] <l4rk> it looks like some neckbeard open source guys designed it
  647. # [21:25] <snover> l4rk: are you living on the same planet as the rest of the world?
  648. # [21:25] <snover> KDE2 was ugly
  649. # [21:25] <tw2113> a world full of gnomes?
  650. # [21:25] <snover> KDE3 was not
  651. # [21:25] <snover> KDE4 is certainly not
  652. # [21:26] <mokush> l4rk: it's probably the most beautifull os right now.
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  654. # [21:26] <snover> Gnome has gotten better, but I really dislike their iconography
  655. # [21:26] <mokush> nuno pinheiro, the main design person, is doing an awsome job on icons, ui and everything.
  656. # [21:26] <paul_irish> besides windows 7, you mean?
  657. # [21:26] <snover> and their HIGs are awful
  658. # [21:26] <addyosmani> +1 on that comment. KDE2 sucked balls but at least they improved with later versions.
  659. # [21:26] <snover> Windows 7 is probably the prettiest OS…if pretty is your thing
  660. # [21:26] <l4rk> snover: stick to programming because you do not have an eye for design
  661. # [21:26] <l4rk> in the slightest
  662. # [21:26] <l4rk> http://blogs.pcworld.co.nz/pcworld/tux-love/kde4-1.jpg
  663. # [21:27] <l4rk> most beautiful... i'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic
  664. # [21:27] <tw2113> to be fair, you'd have to go with the default theme
  665. # [21:27] <snover> l4rk: personal attacks are most uncooldude.
  666. # [21:27] <tw2113> not some user-applied one
  667. # [21:27] <l4rk> snover: oh but its cool for you to land personal attacks f off
  668. # [21:28] <l4rk> double standards aren't cool
  669. # [21:28] <snover> you’re right, I’m sorry.
  670. # [21:28] <l4rk> okay :)
  671. # [21:28] <mokush> l4rk: is that the worst screenshot you could find? come on.. http://kde.org/workspaces/plasmadesktop/screenshots/general-desktop.png
  672. # [21:28] <l4rk> mokush: i just googled kde4
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  674. # [21:28] <mokush> and it gets even better with the latest updates.
  675. # [21:29] <l4rk> personally i'm a fan of openbox on top of xfce
  676. # [21:29] <mokush> did you take a look at the oxygen icons or theme?
  677. # [21:29] <l4rk> mokush: all i'm seeing is poor typography and overuse of shadows
  678. # [21:29] <l4rk> i know there are good kde4 theems
  679. # [21:29] <l4rk> i've seen them
  680. # [21:29] <l4rk> i just don't think stock kde4 is all that great
  681. # [21:29] <snover> vs http://chrisarndt.de/projects/rox-ubuntu/rox-desktop-ubuntu.png
  682. # [21:30] <snover> seriously, just look at that home icon
  683. # [21:30] <l4rk> omg it looks JUST like os x
  684. # [21:30] <snover> it’s like MS Bob :\
  685. # [21:30] <l4rk> :-p
  686. # [21:31] <nimbupani> snover: its such an eyesore
  687. # [21:31] <mokush> snover: looks like a dogs house
  688. # [21:32] <snover> and then of course, the default ubuntu desktop is…brown and orange
  689. # [21:32] <snover> which could work, but really doesn’t
  690. # [21:33] <mokush> snover: they changed the color scheme in the latest versions, it doesn't look that bad anymore.
  691. # [21:33] <mokush> pretty ok actualy, I just hate the apps.
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  693. # [21:34] <l4rk> i'll take a ss of my desktop
  694. # [21:34] <l4rk> you can tell me if its ugly
  695. # [21:34] <snover> l4rk: hot dog stand theme? :)
  696. # [21:34] <snover> mokush: clementine player is making me happy again
  697. # [21:34] <l4rk> i'm an arch linux whore, so its all pimped out in their logos
  698. # [21:35] <mokush> snover: yeah, clementine is pretty cool, except the icon. I tried to make a different one a while ago, but the dev liked the old one better..
  699. # [21:37] <snover> mokush: I’m a bit trepidatious about replacing Pana with it since I’m sure it is still missing some features…
  700. # [21:37] <snover> but
  701. # [21:37] <snover> soon enough.
  702. # [21:37] <snover> its time will come.
  703. # [21:37] <snover> I know it’s still missing mood bar
  704. # [21:39] <mokush> snover: that's the feature that stops you from playing your music? :)
  705. # [21:40] <snover> YES HOW CAN I PLAY MUSIC IF I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE MOOD VAGUELY IS KIND OF LIKE BASED ON SOME COLOURED LINES
  706. # [21:40] <snover> No, the thing that was stopping me up to this point was the missing score/ratings stuff
  707. # [21:41] <snover> I can’t live without score
  708. # [21:41] <nimbupani> calm down snover
  709. # [21:41] <snover> hey
  710. # [21:42] <paul_irish> hey
  711. # [21:42] <tw2113> ick, i am not likeing jquery Themeroller
  712. # [21:43] <mokush> I'm starting not to like jq mobile
  713. # [21:43] <l4rk> mokush: i don't like the fact that i need to ua sniff to deliver a good experience with it
  714. # [21:43] <tw2113> looks like i get to download the jquery UI css file and host it ourselves instead of relying on google
  715. # [21:43] <l4rk> separate from a desktop site
  716. # [21:43] <l4rk> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/79007/screenshot.jpg
  717. # [21:43] <l4rk> ^^ is my desktop
  718. # [21:44] <mokush> l4rk: I don't like the fact that it makes my life an absolute hell with not supporting generated markup
  719. # [21:44] <l4rk> kind of cool that vim auto blanked out
  720. # [21:45] <mokush> l4rk: speaking of minimalism. a bit to minimalist for me, and considering I never liked vim
  721. # [21:45] <l4rk> heh
  722. # [21:45] <l4rk> vim is the will and the way
  723. # [21:45] <l4rk> say it with me about 100 times with rhythmic timing
  724. # [21:45] <mokush> l4rk: if you're into s&m, vim is pretty cool.
  725. # [21:46] <l4rk> sex and money?
  726. # [21:46] <l4rk> f yes i am
  727. # [21:48] <mokush> I was thinking more slave and mistress. sex and money would go for coda probably.
  728. # [21:48] <mokush> considering all rich people use macs
  729. # [21:48] <tw2113> forklift
  730. # [21:49] <l4rk> and pay for an ide :-p
  731. # [21:49] <tw2113> i miss gedit
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  746. # [22:44] <Pewpewarrows> tw2113, I completely agree, I think everything that themeroller produces looks extremely unprofessional and unpolished (hours behind in the convo, I know)
  747. # [22:46] <tw2113> i just copied over the css for the UI stylesheet and will edit locally
  748. # [22:46] <tw2113> at least once the server this dev site is on starts working again
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  756. # [22:55] <Pewpewarrows> I just ended up going with the UI library of Google's Closure
  757. # [22:55] <Pewpewarrows> after trying to spend hours making a custom css from themeroller look nice
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  763. # [23:01] <mokush> Pewpewarrows: have you checked out aristo? http://www.warfuric.com/taitems/demo.html
  764. # [23:01] <Pewpewarrows> mokush, omg
  765. # [23:02] <Pewpewarrows> that's like exactly what I need :_)
  766. # [23:02] <mokush> "probably the best jquery ui theme in the world", like carlsberg
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  768. # [23:03] <Pewpewarrows> leaving work, but that's amazing mokush
  769. # [23:03] <Pewpewarrows> I owe you a beer one day
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  772. # [23:14] <tw2113> odd....translate isn't liking multiple declarations on an item
  773. # [23:16] <tw2113> nevermind, it does, it just needs the values comma separated
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  777. # [23:32] <jmburnz> there is a discussion that may interest you going on in the Drupal community right now - should we switch to HTML5 in Drupal 8 (which should be released sometime mid to late 2012), i'd really like to drag in more html5 brains especially wrt to RDFa, interested? see: http://drupal.org/node/963832
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  782. # [23:52] <BrianBlakely> Cool-ass pixel art and animation library: http://www.thisisnotflash.com/
  783. # [23:52] <BrianBlakely> Click the flowers
  784. # [23:52] <BrianBlakely> Dude's doing SVG/Canvas-style shite with <div>s
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