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# Session Start: Tue Jan 04 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
# [00:00] <paul_irish> nimbupani:
# [00:00] <paul_irish> .visuallyHidden {
# [00:00] <paul_irish> camelcase class :(
# [00:00] <nimbupani> SHOULD CHANGE
# [00:00] <paul_irish> ah. its a regression!
# [00:00] <paul_irish> jon neal!
# [00:00] <nimbupani> YEAH
# [00:00] <nimbupani> JON NEALLLL
# [00:00] <nimbupani> sneakky
# [00:00] <nimbupani> jon neal
# [00:01] <nimbupani> are you changing?
# [00:01] <paul_irish> umm
# [00:01] <paul_irish> i fucking hate all those importants.
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# [00:01] <nimbupani> i hate too
# [00:01] <paul_irish> is the issue still open on that one?
# [00:01] <nimbupani> no i dont think so.
# [00:01] <nimbupani> this was the solution.
# [00:01] <nimbupani> the problem is if you define author styles later
# [00:01] <nimbupani> it will override visuallyhidden
# [00:01] <paul_irish> like.. all of these helper classes could hypothet have !importants
# [00:02] <nimbupani> maybe what we can do is to put all helpers before @media
# [00:02] <nimbupani> and ask them to define their styles ABOVE it
# [00:02] <nimbupani> so helps always override
# [00:02] <paul_irish> can you reopen the old ticket
# [00:02] <paul_irish> and amend it with the case change
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# [00:04] <mikesusz> i can't replicate my font issue on remote server. very interesting.
# [00:04] <nimbupani> amend the style you mean
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# [00:07] <paul_irish> well.. sure fix the class if you want.. but i want to remove importants.. and i know jon put a lot of detail on the ticket around that
# [00:07] <nimbupani> what do you say about putting helpers just above @media paul_irish
# [00:08] <paul_irish> i'm good with that. i normally do that anyway
# [00:08] <nimbupani> ok
# [00:08] <paul_irish> but hold off on a commit for that.
# [00:08] <paul_irish> actually. ticket for that
# [00:08] <paul_irish> see if anyone cares
# [00:08] <nimbupani> okay there is no point commiting removed !importants
# [00:08] <nimbupani> if we are not putting them before @media
# [00:09] <nimbupani> i will create a new ticket with that and link to the visuallyhidden issue
# [00:12] <nimbupani> here you go https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/issues/issue/265
# [00:14] <nimbupani> why is reset css still resetting acronym even tho it is deprecated :/
# [00:18] <paul_irish> can kill.
# [00:18] <nimbupani> kill what?
# [00:18] <paul_irish> acronym
# [00:19] <nimbupani> no i am just comparing changes with his new reset and what we use
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# [00:19] <nimbupani> should I update some of it?
# [00:19] <paul_irish> yah
# [00:19] <nimbupani> okay
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# [00:37] <nimbupani> paul_irish: can you update sr.boilerplate.com :)
# [00:37] <nimbupani> or rather push the latest styles.
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# [00:45] <paul_irish> wait
# [00:45] <paul_irish> just styles?
# [00:45] <paul_irish> styles are all on the root domain now
# [00:45] <nimbupani> yeah thats what
# [00:45] <nimbupani> i mean update the style on the root domain is what I am sayin
# [00:46] <paul_irish> done
# [00:46] <nimbupani> woot thanks
# [00:48] <danielfilho> paul_irish: can you make me a sandwich?
# [00:48] <paul_irish> god no
# [00:48] <paul_irish> i hate sandwiches
# [00:49] <danielfilho> paul_irish: sudo can you make me a sandwich?
# [00:49] <danielfilho> ok. that is old.
# [00:49] <paul_irish> old jokes.
# [00:49] <danielfilho> wait.
# [00:50] <danielfilho> you said you hate sandwiches?
# [00:50] <danielfilho> HOW COULD?
# [00:50] <paul_irish> gross
# [00:50] <danielfilho> ok. that is definitely the most weird thing I see someone writing.
# [00:50] <danielfilho> pizza?
# [00:52] <paul_irish> i like pizza.
# [00:52] <paul_irish> ?g multiplicity pizza youtube
# [00:52] <bot-t> paul_irish, YouTube - Multiplicity 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhk-J9YwLR8
# [00:52] <tw2113> this is just cute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjLvjNtInD4&NR=1
# [00:53] <danielfilho> pizza is a sandwich without a slice of bun, dude.
# [00:53] <danielfilho> like, just half bun.
# [00:53] <tw2113> a hot sandwich preferably
# [00:53] <paul_irish> except its fucking HOT
# [00:54] <paul_irish> and not full of either cold meat
# [00:54] <paul_irish> or mayo or mustard
# [00:54] <danielfilho> and sandwiches are hot too.
# [00:54] <paul_irish> or oddly textured vegetables.
# [00:54] <danielfilho> OH
# [00:54] <danielfilho> I thought you americans called everything between two pieces of bread a sandwich.
# [00:54] <paul_irish> for the record, i eat grilled cheese, cheese burgers, and meatballs subs, and probably a nice chicken pesto panini
# [00:55] <danielfilho> got it.
# [00:55] <paul_irish> but 95% of the time "sandwich" does not refer to those things
# [00:55] <danielfilho> I have a desease. I'm a cheeseaholic.
# [00:55] <paul_irish> amen.
# [00:55] <danielfilho> And it will probably kill me someday.
# [00:55] <tw2113> as long as it's not blue cheese, i'm fine
# [00:56] <paul_irish> okay.... tacos, cheesesteak, or turkey burger
# [00:56] <danielfilho> are you kidding me?
# [00:56] <danielfilho> blue cheese is absolutely awesome.
# [00:56] <danielfilho> I make a cream with blue cheese and bear. you spread on the toasted bread.
# [00:56] <paul_irish> tw2113: try a blue cheese cheeseburger sometime
# [00:56] <paul_irish> it's not as scary
# [00:57] <tw2113> the fact that it's technically mold is a bit intimidating
# [00:57] <paul_irish> hehe
# [00:57] <danielfilho> there's a website of a place in US that TOTALLY makes me wish to live there. wait a second.
# [00:57] <paul_irish> indeed
# [00:58] <danielfilho> THIS! http://www.cheeseandburger.com/
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# [00:59] <paul_irish> wow.
# [00:59] <danielfilho> they're so juicy.
# [00:59] <paul_irish> its The Tick voicing this.
# [01:00] <paul_irish> ah. not a restaurant
# [01:00] <danielfilho> tw2113: check the #5
# [01:00] <paul_irish> just the wisconsin milk board.
# [01:00] <danielfilho> what?
# [01:00] <danielfilho> they don't make those?
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# [01:00] <paul_irish> man this site is fantastic
# [01:00] <danielfilho> it is!
# [01:01] <danielfilho> the narration is AMAZING
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# [01:01] <danielfilho> narration. I don't know if it is right to say "narration". hahaha
# [01:01] <tw2113> teasing?
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# [01:01] <tw2113> you can just hear in his voice that he got to sample
# [01:02] <paul_irish> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvyZLipB4CY
# [01:02] <danielfilho> I need to marry the daughter of Wisconsin Cheese's owner.
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# [01:03] <paul_irish> patrick warburton
# [01:03] <paul_irish> is his name
# [01:03] <tw2113> M&M has good commercials
# [01:05] <danielfilho> "this cheeseburger is a one-way road to YUMMYVILLE"
# [01:05] <danielfilho> dude. the guy who wrote the text is a genius.
# [01:05] <danielfilho> hahaha
# [01:06] <tw2113> #25 has potential
# [01:06] <tw2113> granted remove the onions and mushrooms
# [01:07] <tw2113> #28 has good text too
# [01:07] <danielfilho> let me find a pic of a burger I made sometime ago
# [01:07] <danielfilho> HAHAHAHA, great one tw2113
# [01:08] <tw2113> 29 would be almost perfect minus the onions
# [01:09] <danielfilho> http://www.flickr.com/photos/danielfilho/3887716950/in/set-72157616673081906/
# [01:09] <tw2113> time to go home
# [01:09] <tw2113> and likely stop for a burger on my way there
# [01:09] <tw2113> i hate you two for that
# [01:10] <danielfilho> great! hahaha
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# [01:13] <danielfilho> gotta send tw2113 this link tomorrow: http://smittenkitchen.com/2010/06/blue-cheese-and-red-potato-tart/
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# [01:37] <danielfilho> ok, going home
# [01:38] <danielfilho> it's 10h35pm here and I have some guys to crush on Black Ops! :D
# [01:38] <danielfilho> see you guys.
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# [01:58] <waldir> Hey guys. I am looking for the channel for W3C. can anyone point me in the right direction?
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# [02:00] <tw2113> http://threewords.me/tw2113
# [02:00] <tw2113> i caved
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# [02:04] <nimbupani> #whatwg waldir
# [02:05] <waldir> nimbupani: thanks :)
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# [02:44] <paul_irish> nimbupani: lol
# [02:45] <paul_irish> way to go
# [02:45] <tw2113> i wonder if he got the joke yet
# [02:45] <paul_irish> lachy's mad at you
# [02:45] <nimbupani> :D
# [02:45] <tw2113> i'd find it worth it
# [02:46] <nimbupani> hey they are on freenode!
# [02:46] <nimbupani> not my fault!
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# [03:05] <paul_irish> nimbupani: skpye me
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# [14:18] <Syniq> sean`: Srsly.
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# [14:26] <monteslu> Was 2010 the year of "really" and "seriously" being clever one word sentences?
# [14:27] <monteslu> Not quite as annoying as using "litterally" incorrectly, but at least as annoying as "could care less", and both more so than nails on a chalkboard :)
# [14:28] <sean`> couldn't care less*
# [14:28] <monteslu> that's why I put it in quotes :)
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# [14:28] <sean`> couldn't care less is wrong, could care less is oki
# [14:28] <sean`> seriously
# [14:29] <monteslu> troll
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# [16:37] <Michael> paul_irish, Whazaaa happy new year
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# [16:57] <tw2113> morning all
# [16:57] <cheilmann> afternoon
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# [17:02] <tw2113> doh, i don't think i can do much for CSS3 transitions on background images yet
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# [17:12] <tw2113> back, had someone installing net for someone down the hall, and had to disconnect us
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# [17:30] <danielfilho> shit. my apache didn't fixed himself.
# [17:30] <danielfilho> since last night 'til now.
# [17:31] <tw2113> :O
# [17:31] <tw2113> since when did you have a little native american?
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# [17:32] <mikesusz> haw
# [17:32] <mikesusz> everybody duck, i just issued sudo service apache2 reload
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# [17:33] <danielfilho> tw2113: if I was Homer Simpson, i'd answer you with a D'OH! Hahaha
# [17:33] <tw2113> what's stopping you?
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# [17:33] <danielfilho> me?
# [17:33] <tw2113> stop stopping yourself
# [17:34] <tw2113> realize your full potential!
# [17:34] <tw2113> who in here is good with javascript who could potentially tell me if this has all the needed syntax? http://pastebin.com/NDAJMnw9
# [17:35] <danielfilho> what is javascript?
# [17:35] <danielfilho> I hope it's a new coffee bean.
# [17:36] <tw2113> IE8 is spitting at me with that block
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# [17:37] <tw2113> all of them are actually
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# [17:41] <miketaylr> is that jquery?
# [17:41] <cheilmann> licat has an extra , at then end
# [17:41] <cheilmann> IE doesn't like this
# [17:41] <tw2113> ya, it's jquery
# [17:41] <miketaylr> what's this do cat biz?
# [17:41] <miketaylr> are you passing that data to the server?
# [17:41] <tw2113> it's for some plugin on a client site
# [17:41] <tw2113> something i wasn't in charge of
# [17:42] <tw2113> i come back from some vacation time, and see all this extra js/jq stuff in the header.php file
# [17:42] <cheilmann> I changed it - just remove the , after cat:licat and it should work
# [17:42] <miketaylr> $.get(url){ foo } does not compute
# [17:43] <miketaylr> $.get(url, {foo:bar}) makes more sense
# [17:43] <cheilmann> ah yeah, that is bollox, too
# [17:43] <tw2113> i have to wonder if the urls are having trouble with forward slashes
# [17:43] <cheilmann> no it isn't your $get syntax is wrong
# [17:44] <tw2113> woohoo </sarcasm>
# [17:44] <miketaylr> s/ajax")/ajax",/ ?
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# [17:44] <cheilmann> I still don't like chaining. There, I said it
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# [17:45] <cheilmann> http://api.jquery.com/jQuery.get/ is the right syntax
# [17:45] <tw2113> http://pastebin.com/xMcLbN1e the whole javascript <script> block
# [17:46] <miketaylr> tw2113: like i said, i think there's just a typo, replace the ) with a comma
# [17:46] <tw2113> but i'll look at that link too chris
# [17:46] <tw2113> and mike
# [17:46] <miketaylr> if that's the case, the rest looks fine
# [17:47] <miketaylr> and by fine i mean jquery spaghetti :P
# [17:47] <tw2113> not my fault! my primary duties are general wordpress admin and the frontend styling
# [17:47] <miketaylr> eh, no worries. i'm sure no kittens will die as a result
# [17:48] <tw2113> bah! "expected identifier, string, or number"
# [17:48] <miketaylr> tw2113: lots of nice people in #jquery as well ^_^
# [17:50] <tw2113> :P
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# [17:55] <cheilmann> OK, I am starting a series of interviews with "people of HTML5" - who do you think should I contact?
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# [17:56] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://www.psfk.com/2011/01/nikes-new-site-uses-html5-to-scroll-towards-a-better-world.html
# [17:56] <miketaylr> every single person in #whatwg
# [17:56] <miketaylr> :)
# [17:57] <nimbupani> AWWW
# [17:57] <nimbupani> PSFK discovering boilerplate
# [17:57] <cheilmann> paul_irish: yeah, the nike siteis cute
# [17:57] <cheilmann> but the video is flash
# [17:57] <cheilmann> would be interesting to know why
# [17:57] <nimbupani> so what cheilmann
# [17:57] <paul_irish> cheilmann: check out the video rollovers on http://www.oprah.com/own
# [17:58] <cheilmann> wow that site is slow here
# [17:58] <cheilmann> waiting for own.channelfinder.net
# [17:58] <paul_irish> booo
# [17:58] <cheilmann> probably going to tell me I am in the wrong country
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# [18:07] <miketaylr> http://www.oprah.com/packages/oprah-mobile.html rofl
# [18:07] <cheilmann> paul_irish: ah now it works - sweet
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# [18:07] <cheilmann> tables for layout though :)
# [18:07] <paul_irish> heh
# [18:07] <paul_irish> my gf is workin on a project where someone used divs to recreate a table for tabular data
# [18:08] <paul_irish> the good news is: the client caught that right away and was unhappy.
# [18:08] <nimbupani> oh good :/
# [18:08] <cheilmann> that is good
# [18:09] <cheilmann> I couldn't believe that anna debenham got bad marks in Uni for creating her layout in CSS
# [18:09] <cheilmann> according to the course curriculum layout is done with tables :)
# [18:17] <tw2113> college is wrong...go figure
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# [18:25] <danielfilho> paul_irish: http://cl.ly/2F0g1t2Y1f0v2w0e1d15
# [18:25] <danielfilho> :(
# [18:25] <paul_irish> BUMMER
# [18:25] <paul_irish> oprah does not serve anyone in .br or .uk apparently
# [18:25] <paul_irish> WILL FREEZE U OUT
# [18:25] <paul_irish> chilly tab!
# [18:26] <danielfilho> HAHAHAHA
# [18:26] <danielfilho> I'll shut my mouth up.
# [18:26] <danielfilho> and fingers.
# [18:26] <danielfilho> =x
# [18:27] <paul_irish> freckles.
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# [18:32] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://www.impressivewebs.com/easy-html5-template/
# [18:33] <cheilmann> I just installed the TextMate bundle for Boilerplate. Wow, that ads a lot of stuff
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# [18:33] <nimbupani> really? it has only the markup and css
# [18:34] <cheilmann> yeah but the markup points to a lot of files you need to download, too
# [18:34] <danielfilho> talking about editors, have anyone tried Kod?
# [18:34] <nimbupani> omg its taking years to load paul_irish :/
# [18:34] <cheilmann> would make more sense to have that as web based URLs on a CDN
# [18:34] <cheilmann> nimbupani: agreed, it just finished here after 3 minutes or so
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# [18:35] <tw2113> textmate at work, gedit at home
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# [18:35] <nimbupani> and his markup is somehow easier than boilerplate how?
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# [18:36] <cheilmann>
# [18:36] <cheilmann> err, sure
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# [18:36] <tw2113> if i accomplished anything this morning, it's applying css3 transitions to some social media buttons :D
# [18:37] <nimbupani> you see paul_irish this is what happens when you put the full source on the homepage
# [18:37] <nimbupani> everyone things its TOO MUCH
# [18:37] <nimbupani> thinks*
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# [18:37] <tw2113> sometimes, that's a good thing...people thinking
# [18:37] * tw2113 ducks from cardona507
# [18:38] <cardona507> cardona507 is dead to me
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# [18:38] <tw2113> so why do you keep entering the room with that one?
# [18:38] <tw2113> :P
# [18:38] <cgcardona> heh
# [18:38] <cgcardona> yeah I should take the time to fix that default in my colloquy today
# [18:38] <paul_irish> nimbupani: eh. i'm not worried.
# [18:39] <cgcardona> it's kinda annoying fixing my name and identifying with nickserv each time
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# [18:39] <nimbupani> i am not worried either paul_irish
# [18:39] <paul_irish> talking to louis now
# [18:39] <nimbupani> its just a boilerplate rip of the html page.
# [18:39] <nimbupani> ok
# [18:39] <paul_irish> gave him a few bugfixes
# [18:39] <nimbupani> :D
# [18:40] <tw2113> it's the @rem
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# [18:40] <mokush> how the hell do you make the CORS protocol work?
# [18:40] <paul_irish> ?mdc cors
# [18:40] <bot-t> paul_irish, Vladimir Dzhuvinov - https://developer.mozilla.org/User:vladimir.dzhuvinov
# [18:40] <paul_irish> fuckkkkk bottty.
# [18:41] <remysharp> mokush: http://bit.ly/ffcors
# [18:42] <mokush> remysharp: I've tryed. The servers sends the Access-Control-Allow-Origin: * header, but the browser still hates me.
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# [18:43] <remysharp> mokush: there's an example here that I did a while back: http://jsbin.com/oxiyi4 (but doesn't support IE - but that's simple to fix)
# [18:44] <remysharp> mokush: then to double check the server - run `curl -I http://remysharp.com/demo/cors.php` from command line (that's a capital i)
# [18:45] <mokush> remysharp: does the server on which the script is located need anything special?
# [18:45] <remysharp> except the headers it sends, no
# [18:47] <mokush> remysharp: but your script doesn't manualy set any custom headers.
# [18:48] <remysharp> sorry - which script & which server? The server side - i.e. the bit with CORS, sends the Access control header. The client side, the script sitting on JS Bin doesn't do anything fancy at all - you can see all the code right there (there's nothing going on on jsbin.com)
# [18:48] <tw2113> f34r the mass twitter mention
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# [18:51] <mokush> remysharp: the header is there, but I'm only getting a 0 status and the request does not show up in firebug.
# [18:51] <tw2113> danielfilho, when the room had only 50 people or so regularly, i did a nick highlight for them all at once
# [18:51] <remysharp> what's the address of the server?
# [18:52] <mokush> remysharp: http://173.203.85.13/
# [18:54] <remysharp> works for me: http://jsbin.com/oxiyi4/2 (check the console - dumps out the responseText - which is some HTML page you're sending)
# [18:55] <danielfilho> brb
# [18:58] <cgcardona> back when the room had only 50 people or so - the good ole dayz
# [18:58] <danielfilho> cgcardona: but now you guys have me.
# [18:58] <cgcardona> :-D
# [19:00] <paul_irish> sup remysharp
# [19:00] <remysharp> hey paul
# [19:00] <paul_irish> happy 20!!
# [19:01] <tw2113> i decided....i'll wait till our jquery guy is here to debug this IE stuff
# [19:01] <remysharp> Thanks, but you're out by > 10 :)
# [19:03] <paul_irish> shifty.
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# [19:03] <tw2113> happy 20* paul_irish
# [19:03] <tw2113> there, i covered the rest of the century
# [19:04] <paul_irish> morganoneal: what's the punycode result of xn--p5h
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# [19:04] <voodootikigod> nerds
# [19:04] <tw2113> geek
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# [19:04] <mokush> remysharp: you're right. there seems to be a problem with the way the webservice I'm supposed to use is built. The url I'm supposed to be posting is http://173.203.85.13/user_sessions?format=xml
# [19:04] <mokush> which returns the right headers when I "curl it", but the browser doesn't seem to like it.
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# [19:05] <remysharp> when I curl it - I see a 404
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# [19:06] <nimbupani> hey guize who wrote that terrible article on why html5 is bad?
# [19:06] <morganoneal> paul_irish: its ♋.ws
# [19:06] <paul_irish> hahah baller.
# [19:06] <mokush> remysharp: The smart guy that built the web service decided the url should work(not return 404) after you log in. But this is the same link the login form is supposed to post to.
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# [19:07] <tw2113> nimbupani, probably someone who still thinks IE6 is a browser
# [19:07] <paul_irish> nimbupani: this guy who writes an html authoring tool
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# [19:07] <nimbupani> oh rite.
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# [19:07] <paul_irish> http://www.google.co.jp/landing/motto/ has more of those happy chrome videos. <3
# [19:08] <remysharp> mokush: the issue is on the server side then. It's dodgy that it's a 404 now, but double check by dumping out `this` in the ready handler. You'll get all the status codes
# [19:08] <remysharp> pretty sure the smart guy may have missed a trick
# [19:08] <rolson> whoa it is like magic heaven in here with the big boys! :D hey guys
# [19:08] <paul_irish> dominoes one is fab
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# [19:09] <paul_irish> sup ryan
# [19:09] <mokush> remysharp: it's really weird now that I think about it. How can a form post to a 404 url?
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# [19:10] <aristidesfl> hello tw2113, paul_irish
# [19:10] <felcom> someone make an HTML5 food fax and send me a pizza plz ty
# [19:10] <paul_irish> serio: peep the dominoes vid http://www.google.co.jp/landing/motto/
# [19:10] <rolson> fun fun day paul, how are you
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# [19:10] <tw2113> yo
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# [19:11] <paul_irish> gosh i think its time for a bakery run
# [19:11] <rolson> anything happen with that boilerplate.net site
# [19:11] <serio> I saw the tab animation one you posted yesterday,
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# [19:11] <danielfilho> look @maddoghall messing with iPhone users... hahaha
# [19:12] <paul_irish> rolson: oh right.. my facebook. SHHH for now
# [19:12] <danielfilho> http://twitter.com/maddoghall/status/22138494788829184 >>> http://twitter.com/maddoghall/status/22252209051799552 >>> http://twitter.com/izzynobre/status/22352290602024960
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# [19:12] <danielfilho> sorry for this... I really think this funny
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# [19:13] <paul_irish> thx peol
# [19:13] <serio> japanese ppl + chrome = win
# [19:13] <paul_irish> RT serio
# [19:13] <peol> paul_irish: np, lets see how well he performs under pressure ;)
# [19:13] <cgcardona> danielfilho: haha
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# [19:14] <serio> I'm loving these paul_irish
# [19:14] <peol> http://twitter.com/#!/tw2113/status/22347602720722944
# [19:14] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/f0aXAD @tw2113 -- ahh the joys of IRC...come hang out in #html5 on freenode.net. I am interacting with @codepo8 @rem @paul_irish @cgcardona @nimbuin + others.
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# [19:15] <felcom> When is google going to buy typekit?
# [19:15] <tw2113> i didn't even realize paul RT'd that till just now
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# [19:15] <rolson> paul_irish: ack, sorry dude
# [19:15] <mahen23> omg its paul_irish
# [19:15] <paul_irish> i doubt google will, felcom.
# [19:15] <paul_irish> s'not really organizing the worlds information... just making it look shit hot
# [19:15] <paul_irish> ?omgpaul @ mahen23
# [19:15] <bot-t> mahen23, http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs456.snc3/26108_532014511782_29100413_31383464_6948266_n.jpg
# [19:16] <nimbupani> oh good you cleaned it up paul_irish :)
# [19:16] <mahen23> who is the other guy
# [19:16] <rolson> lol where is that pic ffrom
# [19:16] <danielfilho> damn, paul_irish is the REAL PAUL IRISH?
# [19:16] <mahen23> with the finger
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# [19:16] <peol> mahen23: slexaxton
# [19:16] <danielfilho> oh my. OH MY. :P
# [19:16] <rolson> paul you a celebrity :p
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# [19:17] <Thasmo> like lady gaga but better :>
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# [19:17] <rolson> lol
# [19:17] <mahen23> Thasmo: haha
# [19:17] <Thasmo> lady gaga of the web
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# [19:17] <paul_irish> mahen23: that's @slexaxton from yayquery and yepnope.js and goto.js and TXJS
# [19:18] <serio> and the famous dancing ajpiano
# [19:18] <paul_irish> fannnntastic.
# [19:18] <also_paul_irish> woo! I'm awesome
# [19:18] <felcom> <- needs more yayquery
# [19:18] * paul_irish _o/\o_ paul_irish_fan _o/\o_ also_paul_irish
# [19:18] <Thasmo> :>
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# [19:18] <Thasmo> \o/
# [19:18] <another_paul_iri> damn limit
# [19:18] <paul_irish_h8ter> -___-
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# [19:19] <Michael> mick.
# [19:19] <other_irish_pub> not it fits.
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# [19:19] <hail_sirup> I just go with his alter ago anagram
# [19:19] <hail_sirup> ego*
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# [19:19] <not_paul_irish> Well that's fun.
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# [19:20] <paul_irish_h8ter> hail_sirup, genius
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# [19:20] <danielfilho> hahaha!
# [19:20] <cheilmanns_red_h> damn
# [19:20] <paul_irish_wanna> oh yeah
# [19:20] <paul_irish_wanna> i wanna be paul irish!
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# [19:20] <serio> /end hate
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# [19:20] <cheilmannsredhai> close enough for the length of the gag
# [19:20] <bryanrieger> is this #html5 or #guesstherealpaulirish?
# [19:20] <paul_irish_fan> ?_??
# [19:20] <bot-t> paul_irish_fan, #5052 ("_" is redundant in many selectors of Sizzle) � jQuery Core ... - Opened 17 months ago http://bugs.jquery.com/ticket/5052
# [19:21] <paul_irish_fan> what?
# [19:21] <cheilmannsredhai> i was waiting for someone to change their name to pauls_left_nut
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# [19:21] <paul_irish_fan> but where is codepo8 ?
# [19:22] <danielfilho> paul_irish is the new paul_mccartney
# [19:22] <rolson> is Remy in here?
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# [19:22] <Thasmo> remysharp :> indd
# [19:22] <tw2113> codepo8 = cheilmann
# [19:22] <paul_irish> bryanrieger: sup man. :)
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# [19:22] <tw2113> but he's probably busy rocking Mozilla at the moment
# [19:22] <paul_irish> rolson: rem is around yeah. probably waiting until we return to being on topic. :)
# [19:23] <paul_irish_fan> all that i know: codepo8 = javascript
# [19:23] <peol> ?mlu @ paul_irish
# [19:23] <bot-t> paul_irish, much like urself
# [19:23] <tw2113> wha? topic?
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# [19:23] <bryanrieger> paul_irish saw your tweet - just hanging out for a bit :)
# [19:23] <rolson> paul_irish: lol gotcha
# [19:23] <remysharp> Thasmo: indd back at you ... :-\
# [19:23] <felcom> Apple 2nd largest company (market cap) in the world...whaaa
# [19:23] <Thasmo> huh
# [19:23] <remysharp> rolson: yep - I'm here
# [19:23] <monteslu> man, that tweets really worked
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# [19:23] <rolson> remysharp: Just got your book :) stoked to read it
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# [19:23] <pretopia> Hi everybody
# [19:23] <Michael> Is it not possible to call ExternalInterface on a swf that is loaded from a CDN?
# [19:23] <tw2113> we don't need no stinkin' topic
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# [19:23] <remysharp> rolson: cool - hopefully it'll learn ya something :)
# [19:23] <pretopia> I saw a retweet by paul_irish, so I thought let's check this out :)
# [19:23] <serio> ?serio sean`
# [19:23] <bot-t> I <3 you sean`
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# [19:24] <remysharp> if not - try to spot how many times a rusty trombone is mentioned.
# [19:24] <sean`> SUP
# [19:24] <Michael> omg @ flash.
# [19:24] <serio> SUP SUP SUP?
# [19:24] <mokush> it's not fair. you guys are friends with the bot.
# [19:24] <monteslu> where's the rest of your 11000 followers?
# [19:24] <cgcardona> ff overtakes IE in europe! wooo hooo http://gs.statcounter.com/press/firefox-overtakes-internet-explorer-in-europe-in-browser-wars
# [19:24] <paul_irish_fan> monteslu: sleeping
# [19:24] <peol> http://stopwilson.com/ ms-dos, takes you back.
# [19:24] <monteslu> hah
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# [19:25] <tw2113> btw all, you're welcome
# [19:25] <Thasmo> remysharp, dont understand your "back at you ..." indd = indeed ?
# [19:25] <tw2113> cgcardona, what should I do for lunch?
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# [19:26] <cgcardona> no meat
# [19:26] <cgcardona> go veggie
# [19:26] <peol> paul_irish: link broken in tweet
# [19:26] <rolson> remysharp: ha, I have no doubt sir :D
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# [19:26] <cgcardona> your body will thank you ;)
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# [19:26] <tw2113> *gag*
# [19:26] <paul_irish> peol: you serious?
# [19:26] <remysharp> Thasmo: ah, I see. I rarely wander in to the IRC channels, so when I don't understand what's written, I assume it's l33t speak - which I'm a newbie at -
# [19:26] <tw2113> i was debating subway
# [19:26] <paul_irish_fan> so what are we all gathered here for? will there be games or quizes?
# [19:26] <monteslu> both
# [19:26] <tw2113> paul_irish_fan, because we can
# [19:26] <cgcardona> tw2113: the veggie delight or veggie patty - you can't go wrong :)
# [19:26] <felcom> wheres my raffle ticket
# [19:26] <remysharp> Thasmo: I was just confused :-)
# [19:26] <tw2113> to talk about emerging standards and the future of the internet
# [19:26] <peol> paul_irish: http://i.imgur.com/fd9n1.png
# [19:26] <paul_irish> peol: http://twitter.com/#!/paul_irish/status/22356192923754496 doesnt look busted to me
# [19:27] <Thasmo> remysharp; ic np. = I see, no problem. :>
# [19:27] <paul_irish> peol: http://www.google.co.jp/landing/motto/ breaks for you?
# [19:27] <peol> paul_irish: yep
# [19:27] <Thasmo> paul_irish: The requested URL /landing/motto/ was not found on this server.
# [19:27] <cgcardona> not me
# [19:27] <paul_irish> google hates sweden apparently
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# [19:27] <paul_irish> Thasmo: where are you
# [19:27] <Thasmo> austria
# [19:27] <monteslu> #ajax never got this kinda traction
# [19:27] * paul_irish throws the finger to europe
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# [19:27] <Thasmo> google jp blocks europe, I knew it.
# [19:27] <paul_irish> :/ that sucks.
# [19:27] <sean`> paul_irish, FUUUUUUUUU
# [19:28] <rolson> good thing ajax is part of html5 right LOL
# [19:28] * codepo8 throws two fingers back.
# [19:28] <sean`> workn't
# [19:28] <paul_irish_fan> hey looks its that javascript dude @ codepo8
# [19:28] <sean`> lol
# [19:28] <danielfilho> hahaha
# [19:28] <paul_irish> paul_irish_fan: /nick yoself bro
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# [19:28] <peol> paul_irish: through w0t.us (online web proxy), it works :p
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# [19:28] <paul_irish> peol: ill tell my .jp peeps
# [19:29] <peol> can't stream the pages tho
# [19:29] <peol> movies*
# [19:29] <peol> paul_irish: cool, thx
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# [19:30] <tw2113> cgcardona, apparently i'm a top follower for the bakery below our current office
# [19:30] <tw2113> but they're on their day off today, so i have to heckle them about that
# [19:30] <tw2113> "you're not even open today!"
# [19:30] <felcom> wish i had jpeeps
# [19:30] <cgcardona> your a popular guy these dayz
# [19:30] <mahen23> who me?
# [19:30] <Thasmo> thought me
# [19:30] <Thasmo> nvm
# [19:31] <tw2113> even worse...the local twitter fanatics have come up with the Sioux Falls Socie Awards
# [19:31] <sean`> paul_irish, you should write disclaimers for your tweets
# [19:31] <sean`> mr american
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# [19:32] <mahen23> 104 users
# [19:32] <felcom> so i'm a web dev making an online portfolio site, except i've only ever worked with okay/bad designers..should i just downplay the graphical showcase of my work?
# [19:32] <freedgy> tw2113: found you on twitter :) via amberwineberg
# [19:32] <paul_irish> sean`: i should also test all my links in international proxies before sharing
# [19:33] <sean`> finally you get it :p
# [19:33] <tw2113> freedgy, you could have asked too :P
# [19:33] <peol> paul_irish: your followers ARE your proxies
# [19:33] <tw2113> speaking of which, i can rejoin #wordpress
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# [19:33] <paul_irish> felcom: any employers that are hiring you as a dev will be view-source'ing your shit so that's what matters.
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# [19:33] <tw2113> damn xchat aqua
# [19:33] <danielfilho> totally agreed with paul_irish
# [19:33] <freedgy> tw2113: heh... no fun in that :) Yep, using xchat also - gross.
# [19:34] <danielfilho> the "ghost" projects are a good way to show your skills
# [19:34] <tw2113> what's your ID there?
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# [19:34] <felcom> "ghost" as in just some shit i make up?
# [19:34] <codepo8> I actually just wrote a long article why Valley companies fail to hire talent - one of the things that amaze me is that you look at people's stuff, look at their source and then they get lost in HR hell
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# [19:35] <danielfilho> felcom: things you do not for money, but to show your skills.
# [19:35] <mahen23> i just did a for loop in PHP and a company hired me
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# [19:35] <danielfilho> like your bio page, some blog, small projects like a twitter client for example. things like that.
# [19:35] <felcom> i guess i'll just make sure the typography on my site is great and not worry about the rest
# [19:35] <danielfilho> mahen23: hahaha!
# [19:36] <mahen23> true story
# [19:36] <Thasmo> paul_irish, just found that one, mentioning your mentioned URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-mqmGO_ldw
# [19:36] <paul_irish> yeah they seem to be ehre http://www.youtube.com/user/googlejapan
# [19:36] <danielfilho> it work for designers... here in Brazil there's a famous website for ghost-works of designers that just graduated and have nothing "solid" to show.
# [19:36] <paul_irish> that's tight
# [19:37] <mahen23> well we do have 99designs for these things
# [19:38] <mahen23> just submit a project, put up a bid and thousands of designers will flow in
# [19:38] <danielfilho> so, the point is that it should work for developers too.
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# [19:39] <danielfilho> you make your domain, put it on your resume and show your skills... as Paul said, they'll "view-source"ing your project.
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# [19:39] <felcom> yeah this is good advice, thanks
# [19:40] <tw2113> don't forget to put an ascii portrait of paul_irish in your header as a comment
# [19:40] <mahen23> haha
# [19:40] <danielfilho> that will TOTALLY make difference!
# [19:40] <felcom> i'm starting to think i should come up with a way to just display the code in a meaningful manner instead of any thumbnails or graphics
# [19:41] <mahen23> this is an awesome site http://w3csites.com/
# [19:41] <felcom> because having to view sources is kind of a bad experience
# [19:41] <danielfilho> well... out for some coffee... be back later.
# [19:41] <mahen23> felcom: well as long as you are doing web development, everyone can view source your code
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# [19:42] <felcom> yeah, i'm just wondering if theres an elegant way to be up front with the code in the first place
# [19:42] <paul_irish> mahen23: 100% validation is like following all the traffic signals but not driving anywhere worthwhile
# [19:42] <felcom> they's probably just view source anyway lol
# [19:42] <felcom> they'd*
# [19:43] <peol> validating is good for hints on major failures in your markup, more or less everything else is... meh
# [19:43] <mahen23> paul_irish: i was talking about the designs of the site featured
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# [19:43] <rolson> paul_irish: I need to make a webapp/site for my work, strictly for iPad use at trade shows. Think it best to make a straight up "site" or use a framework?
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# [19:44] <peol> rolson: html5 boilerplate + plain imo, depends on the size of the app tho
# [19:44] <AdeelEjaz_> Yay... Finally got in.. first time user of IRC here.. expect fireworks
# [19:44] <nimbupani> hai AdeelEjaz_!
# [19:45] <paul_irish> rolson: use sproutcore or jqmobile. you'll save time
# [19:45] <paul_irish> hey AdeelEjaz_ :)
# [19:45] <rolson> peol: will basically be an "informtion display" type app, with signup forms etc
# [19:45] <tw2113> bbl
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# [19:45] <AdeelEjaz_> hey too Divya/Paul
# [19:45] <codepo8> on a conf call
# [19:45] <rolson> paul_irish: sproutcore, have not heard of. will check it out thanks
# [19:45] <Thasmo> paul_irish, you seen this: http://www.dhtmlx.com/touch/
# [19:46] <codepo8> hence solent here :)
# [19:46] <paul_irish> and craig_barnes here too! man we got a bunch of boilerplate community here. \o/
# [19:46] <codepo8> Thasmo: saw that some days ago - worst product name ever
# [19:46] <paul_irish> Thasmo: yeah was looking at it earlier.. pretty hot
# [19:46] <Thasmo> haha
# [19:46] <paul_irish> hahaha ^^
# [19:46] <rolson> lol quite a name
# [19:46] <peol> rolson: i'd probably go boilerplate + html if i have the time, jqmobile is a bit too phone-y for an ipad imo
# [19:47] <paul_irish> sproutcore has the best ipad demos ever.
# [19:47] <paul_irish> OF ALL TIME
# [19:47] <rolson> peol: paul_irish thanks guys. Needs to have lots of "touch-slide-display" stuff happening
# [19:47] <rolson> OF ALL TIME you say? rad indeed :D
# [19:48] <peol> yeah, if you need a bunch of touch-y interaction, sproutcore could be your best bet
# [19:48] <mahen23> sencha touch also has some cool demos
# [19:48] <peol> i do fancy those demos :)
# [19:49] <rolson> sweet ill check that out as soon as i finish my current lame project at work
# [19:49] <rolson> lol though getting to build the new/fun ones makes up for it ;)
# [19:49] <peol> rolson: http://demo.sproutcore.com/signup/
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# [19:54] <rolson> nice
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# [19:55] <pretopia> I've got a question regarding Canvas applications on mobile devices - I've created some (fairly popular) html5 games that make extensive use of the Canvas API
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# [19:56] <pretopia> However, I'm facing problems on the iPhone 4 because that device has a resolution of 960x640, and the browser has 'problems' keeping up with redrawing each pixel with my desired framerate
# [19:57] <codepo8> could you try to use CSS zoom on a smaller canvas?
# [19:57] <alrra> hey, i have a question - is there a better way to detect native support for speech than: var e = document.createElement('input'); 'speech' in e || 'onwebkitspeechchange' in e ? it seems to work on the browsers i`ve tested it on... but i`m just curious if there is a better way or something... tnx :)
# [19:57] <paul_irish> alrra: var elem = document.createElement('input'); return 'speech' in elem || 'webkitSpeech' in elem;
# [19:57] <pretopia> So in one application I 'cheated' by lowering the framerate on iPhone 4 devices drastically (I detect them using window.devicePixelRatio check)
# [19:58] <alcuadrado> pretopia, do you really need to redraw the entire screen every frame?
# [19:58] <pretopia> alcuadrado: for 1 game I did not, and I was able to save a lot with that
# [19:58] <pretopia> alcuadrado: but in another I really need to
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# [19:59] <pretopia> so what I'm considering, is half-sizing the game window for iPhone 4 (and thus having a small window...)
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# [19:59] <paul_irish> alrra: so.. slight changes. :) test the attribute not the event
# [20:00] <alrra> but it does`t work that way :P
# [20:00] <alcuadrado> pretopia, I was working in a gameon2010 entry, and we where planning to use several canvas for the different layers. For example a terrain one, a "characters" one, and more; the idea behind this is that the terrain one only needs to be repainted a few times
# [20:00] <pretopia> It is inconvenient because older devices with less pixels run the stuff perfectly. Of course it makes sense, but there is no way to tell the browser not to upscale a 480x320 (Canvas) element to 960x640, at least not as far as I know
# [20:00] <paul_irish> alrra: does too
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# [20:00] <alrra> well not on chrome for ubuntu :P
# [20:00] <alrra> at least
# [20:00] <zcorpan> pretopia: can't you use adaptive frame rate / quality, so the game automatically reduces the target frame rate and canvas size when it detects that the device doesn't keep up?
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# [20:01] <pretopia> alcuadrado: that is a solution I am considering for a new project as well. Did that work out well? I was afraid that the browser would still have difficulties underneath 'the hood' then
# [20:01] <peol> paul_irish, alrra: Chromium 10.0.6 on Ubuntu: http://i.imgur.com/WRr7u.png
# [20:02] <alcuadrado> I think the problem might be in mobile safaris resizing cost of the canvas, not in drawing the entire screen. Try to use a real 960x640 screen, in order to avoid resizing
# [20:02] <paul_irish> alrra: what he said ^
# [20:02] <pretopia> zcorpan: that's an okay solution indeed I think, but I believe it 'should not be needed'. Even on older devices it runs well, except for the iPhone 4 because of that enormous amount of pixels
# [20:02] <pretopia> I'm hoping that Apple puts heavy hardware acceleration in the next iOS release
# [20:03] <pretopia> alcuadrado: is that possible? I thought You are not able/allowed (by design) to access the full 960x640 pixels in mobile safari?
# [20:03] <alcuadrado> pretopia: due to a security problem websockets was removed of firefox4, so my entry can't be done :( bu I've seen that technique working greatly in the mobile.me login screen
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# [20:04] <alcuadrado> pretopia: I don't own an iphone, so I don't know, but I experienced similar problems with firefox 3.6
# [20:04] <pretopia> alcuadrado: sorry about your app :( But that's great news. To be honest, I forgot to experiment with it after I thought about it and then got sick ;)
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# [20:05] <pretopia> alcuadrado: you mean with upscaling? (in ff 3.6)
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# [20:05] <alrra> http://i.imgur.com/uDaEu.png (Google Chrome 8.0.552.224 Ubuntu 10.10)
# [20:05] <alrra> :P
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# [20:07] <zcorpan> pretopia: something like http://simon.html5.org/sandbox/canvas-resolution-fps.html
# [20:07] <alcuadrado> pretopia, yeah, about upscaling
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# [20:08] <alcuadrado> I think websockets would be fixed soon, as google seems very interested in it :P
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# [20:08] <rolson> when is Chrome getting the dev tools update?
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# [20:08] <fyrd> Any word on websockets being disabled in Chrome until that security thing's figured out?
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# [20:09] <fyrd> Or Safari for that matter?
# [20:09] <pretopia> zcorpan: wow that seems to be a really useful link, thanks!
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# [20:09] <alcuadrado> I haven't heared anything, just in firefox4 and opera
# [20:09] <codepo8> wow,datatables.org is down for the whole day now
# [20:10] <pretopia> alcuadrado: yeah, websockets is getting quite some attention, very useful stuff if you ask me
# [20:10] <fyrd> Yeah, me neither.
# [20:10] <zcorpan> pretopia: i hacked it together while on the train sometime last month :)
# [20:10] <alcuadrado> yeah, I want it back! haha but many people say it technically sucks
# [20:10] <remysharp> paul_irish: are sockets going to get chopped from Chrome given recent security concerns?
# [20:11] <remysharp> codepo8: I saw Paul Rouget say sockets should be in FF 4.0.1 - any ideas if that's going to fly?
# [20:11] <pretopia> zcorpan: cool :) I like the scaling visualization
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# [20:11] <codepo8> as soon as the protocol is fixed it will be in there again
# [20:12] <codepo8> not waiting for a full number release
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# [20:12] <remysharp> codepo8: I thought the message talked about a simple fix
# [20:12] <codepo8> and it is a switch in the preferences, so you can still enable it in 4.0 now for developing
# [20:12] <alcuadrado> yeah, but there was a incresing debate wether if the protocol or the proxys are the broken thing
# [20:12] <remysharp> codepo8: you know I'm not going to ask my user to do that ;-)
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# [20:12] <remysharp> I want sexy native.
# [20:13] <codepo8> I know
# [20:13] <rolson> you want a sexy native? :p
# [20:13] <sean`> background-image: url('logos.png#xywh=10,30,60,20') hawt
# [20:13] <remysharp> rolson: that will work for the mean time.
# [20:13] <codepo8> But I also think we shouldn't keep insecure systems open as most users don't even know what their browser can do
# [20:14] <remysharp> codepo8: hmmm - although I agree, I'll play devil's advocate -
# [20:14] <pretopia> heh cool, just saw that my html5 game in the Chrome Web Store has already 1947 users, quite cool ;)
# [20:14] <peol> I hear ya, but the risk of being exposed is really, really, REALLY slim from what I can see
# [20:14] <remysharp> codepo8: what about the blacksheep plugin
# [20:14] <remysharp> that suggests we should stop using open networks...
# [20:15] <zcorpan> facebook should use TLS
# [20:15] <codepo8> DISCLAIMER: I do not work on Firefox
# [20:16] <codepo8> but I think that IF we introduce new technologies to the web security should be the first concern. We have enough bad security tech already out there
# [20:16] <codepo8> I like for example strict mode for JS
# [20:16] <zcorpan> strict mode for JS doesn't help much with web security problems
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# [20:17] <codepo8> zcorpan O RLY
# [20:17] <remysharp> doesn't it throw away things like eval (though I've not really done anything with it yet)
# [20:17] <zcorpan> yah RLY :)
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# [20:17] <alcuadrado> eval and with, yeah
# [20:18] <codepo8> I also found that not letting my water run all day doesn't fix my window staying unlocked
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# [20:18] <remysharp> codepo8: you should probably get a new lock for that.
# [20:18] <codepo8> I tried :)
# [20:18] <remysharp> then you can keep the tap running without concern.
# [20:18] <paul_irish> remysharp: sockets will not get dropped from chrome unless there is a live exploit. there is a patch ready and waiting but it's not shipping to the channels unless there is an immediate reason to.
# [20:19] <paul_irish> fyrd: ^
# [20:19] <codepo8> oh, pub time!
# [20:19] <remysharp> paul_irish: cool. I figured, but wanted to get some horse/mouth on that.
# [20:19] <fyrd> Ah, thanks paul_irish.
# [20:19] <paul_irish> rolson: dev tools get updates all the time.. sit on the dev channel
# [20:19] <paul_irish> np
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# [20:20] <rolson> paul_irish: Oh really, dang. I read something on the blog about changing to the functionality of how the inspector and edits will work. Parts more like firebug
# [20:21] <fyrd> btw, remysharp, enjoying your book. :)
# [20:21] <remysharp> fyrd: cheers, nice to hear :)
# [20:21] <Thasmo> i like the cover too! :>
# [20:22] <rolson> lol yeah that cover is smooooth :)
# [20:22] <paul_irish> rolson: dev channel gets all the new stuff within a week or two. beta every 3-4 weeks and stable less frequent
# [20:22] <remysharp> Bruce and I are hoping the 2nd edition will have *our special* photos on the cover
# [20:22] <alrra> paul_irish: http://i.imgur.com/LN7Gg.png & http://i.imgur.com/EhIcg.png :P
# [20:22] <paul_irish> hahaha
# [20:22] <remysharp> so you know who the book is by :)
# [20:23] <rolson> remysharp: does "special" include carrots of any kind? :D
# [20:23] * remysharp hmm, thinking rolson doesn't know the pictures I'm thinking of. Considering posting them here, but I might break a few people...
# [20:23] <paul_irish> alrra: looks like a bug! very interesting
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# [20:24] <rolson> remysharp: Yeah, you are gonna have to post them lol
# [20:24] <remysharp> rolson: http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2010/introducing-html5-lands/ this should help
# [20:24] <paul_irish> lol.. nsfw ^ ya'll
# [20:24] <rolson> LMAO I am scared now!
# [20:25] <pa7> :D
# [20:25] <remysharp> paul_irish: aw, it's safe for work - well, assuming there's not a lot of ladies around, 'cos they'll come a-flocking!
# [20:25] <rolson> love that it popped up at work, brilliant
# [20:25] <rolson> remysharp: lol indeed
# [20:25] <mokush> remysharp: just wanted to let you know I've found a way around it. It was because of Firefox 3.6 Preflighted requests. Gecko<2.0 sent the options request before the post, found a 404 page, a didn't continue with the post.
# [20:25] <mokush> remysharp: thanks for the help!
# [20:25] <fyrd> Yeah, saw them pics, good stuff. :D
# [20:26] <daleharvey> lol what the hell
# [20:26] <rolson> lol "good stuff" is relative
# [20:26] <pretopia> hahaha
# [20:26] <fyrd> Indeed!
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# [20:30] <tw2113> good, most of you stayed
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# [20:30] <tw2113> and any mass exodus away now that i'm back, will be attributed to "getting back to work"
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# [20:32] <zachleat> Has anyone published anything on the precision of CSS units in different browsers?
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# [20:33] <nimbupani> in what manner precision zachleat?
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# [20:33] <fyrd> I remember reading some older article on how browsers deal with CSS % pixel rounding, if that's what you mean.
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# [20:33] <nimbupani> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2010/01/css_absolute_le.html is what I always go back to.
# [20:34] <Colonel-Rosa> good morning
# [20:34] <tw2113> yo
# [20:34] <zachleat> Ran into an issue last night where webkit truncated my font-size to the nearest tenth
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# [20:35] <zachleat> 2.33em was treated as 2.3em
# [20:35] <fyrd> Ah, I've ran into some serious headaches when dealing with absolute CSS units in SVG...ugly stuff.
# [20:35] <zachleat> I've always thought an "em" was a relative unit?
# [20:36] <fyrd> It should be, yeah.
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# [20:36] <fyrd> But no, dunno how browsers deal with the rounding.
# [20:36] <zachleat> Just curious if there was anything out there before I started a blog post on it
# [20:37] <zachleat> Or, since RSS is dead, 400 individual tweets
# [20:37] * paul_irish knows of nothing
# [20:37] <paul_irish> hahaha
# [20:37] <globe> has anyone thought of a solution to use CSS3 animations with jQuery.animate() where possible?
# [20:37] <paul_irish> the fact that good info is getting lost in tweet landfills is kinda depressing
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# [20:38] <paul_irish> globe: transitions actually. and yes :)
# [20:38] <bckenny> there was some talk about specifying CSS precision a while back, but I dont think its gone anywhere
# [20:38] <zcorpan> android 2.3 supports webm? awesome
# [20:38] <paul_irish> globe: https://github.com/paulirish/lazyweb-requests/issues#issue/16
# [20:38] <zachleat> yeah, I have a few twitter accounts in Google reader instead of following on twitter
# [20:38] <bckenny> it's going to be really important for CSSOM
# [20:38] <bckenny> or it might be, if it's not handwaved
# [20:38] <paul_irish> zcorpan: yeah. only update to the android 2.3 browser i know of was webm video, aac audio
# [20:38] <fyrd> zcorpan: Yeah, even works in the emulator! Sometimes.
# [20:39] <zcorpan> wonder if there are any mobiles where webm playback is hardware-accelerated yet
# [20:39] <danielfilho> it's with an enormous pleasure that I'm here to say to you: MY APACHE IS BACK TO LIFE!
# [20:39] <mokush> can anybody help out with some js module patterns: http://jsbin.com/ekora3/2/edit/ How can do this and load the same js module multiple times?
# [20:39] <danielfilho> ok. thanks.
# [20:40] <globe> paul_irish: any thoughts on when that would be released with jQuery?
# [20:40] <remysharp> globe: I did something a while back for XUI - which is /fairly/-ish similar to jQuery: https://gist.github.com/349069
# [20:40] <paul_irish> globe: we're looking to use it in jquery mobile for sure.. inside jquery core is another story.
# [20:40] <globe> I'm currently doing CSS3 transitions manually and "disabling" .animate() where possible. but this is quite.. sucky
# [20:40] <paul_irish> remysharp: nice!
# [20:41] <globe> why is jQuery core a different story?
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# [20:41] <globe> I see too many slow atom cpus running chrome/safari that could benefit from this just as much as a mobile device…
# [20:42] <paul_irish> i agree.
# [20:42] <paul_irish> anyway.. look at http://playground.benbarnett.net/jquery-animate-enhanced/
# [20:43] <globe> thanks
# [20:43] <globe> keep it up, great work :)
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# [20:44] <HAITI> Cheers #html5
# [20:44] <paul_irish> sup.
# [20:45] <Colonel-Rosa> Not sure if this is the place to ask, but can someone recommend some web des/dev blogs? I'm sick of the top 10 jQuery type dribble I see from a few popular ones. I've got A List Apart, Smashing Magazine and now I'm lost
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# [20:46] <tw2113> Colonel-Rosa, http://hacks.mozilla.org/
# [20:46] <felcom> http://badassjs.com/
# [20:46] <paul_irish> ?g paul irish frontend feeds to follow
# [20:46] <bot-t> paul_irish, Front-end development feeds to follow � Paul Irish - http://paulirish.com/2010/front-end-development-feeds-to-follow/
# [20:46] <globe> blogs are dead, DEAD! (havent you heard?)
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# [20:47] <globe> *scnr*
# [20:47] <Colonel-Rosa> globe, heh, it's certainly harder finding the good ones!
# [20:47] <paul_irish> see also http://planet.evileval.com/
# [20:47] <Colonel-Rosa> thanks tw2113, felcom and paul_irish
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# [20:49] <tw2113> css-tricks.com does a lot of creative work
# [20:49] <globe> following some of the people here is often simpler to get the sweet bits…
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# [20:54] <paul_irish> nimbupani: did we get a big inbound link somewhere?
# [20:55] <nimbupani> i unno paul_irish i didnt notice
# [20:55] <nimbupani> what happs?
# [20:55] <nimbupani> we did get it from PSFK
# [20:55] <nimbupani> if thats anything
# [20:56] <paul_irish> guess it was.
# [20:57] <felcom> paul_irish, i noticed on an episode of yayquery you were drankin' some scotch. What's a reasonably priced scotch to drink?
# [20:57] <nimbupani> :D :D :D :D
# [20:57] <mduncan> paul_irish, saw many time retweeted : ahh the joys of IRC...come hang out in #html5 on freenode.net. I am interacting with @codepo8 @rem @paul_irish @cgcardona @nimbuin + others.
# [20:57] <fyrd> Hey paul_irish and nimbupani, since you guys don't have anything else to update you should really add 2011 to html5readiness.com :)
# [20:57] <nimbupani> HA HA HA
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# [20:57] <nimbupani> i guess we should fyrd :/
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# [20:58] <nimbupani> opera 11 is the only new thing in 2011 no?
# [20:58] <nimbupani> or was that also 2010 :/
# [20:58] <nimbupani> i will add opera 11 today.
# [20:58] <nimbupani> shame on me.
# [20:58] <fyrd> There's also this funny new browser called chrome, I think it may have passed v5. :)
# [20:59] <paul_irish> Chrome v32
# [20:59] <fyrd> Sorry, now I'm just being mean now.
# [20:59] <fyrd> Heh.
# [20:59] <nimbupani> O GEEZ
# [20:59] <nimbupani> it says chrome 5
# [20:59] <paul_irish> hypothet we could just update html5 readiness to use the caniuse API and stop updating it manually
# [21:00] <nimbupani> yeahhhh
# [21:00] <nimbupani> but we are separating by year too
# [21:00] <paul_irish> anyone want $5 ?
# [21:00] <nimbupani> so i dunno how to do that.
# [21:00] <paul_irish> :p
# [21:00] <rolson> OMG HYES
# [21:00] <snover> wow $5!
# [21:00] <rolson> lol
# [21:00] <nimbupani> :D
# [21:00] <fyrd> Ha!
# [21:00] <rolson> its totally lunchtime too! :p
# [21:00] <paul_irish> https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/Home/chromecompatfaq
# [21:00] <rolson> paul_irish: when is the next jqcon here in ca? :)
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# [21:01] <paul_irish> tbd
# [21:01] <zcorpan> paul_irish: sure, lemme set up a donation account first
# [21:01] <tw2113> ick, i have some IE debugging to do this afternoon
# [21:01] <rolson> cool ill totally mark that date
# [21:01] <rolson> :D
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# [21:02] <snover> “Illegal for <a> to embed <div>” not in html5 bitches~~
# [21:02] <paul_irish> yeahhh.
# [21:02] <paul_irish> should i add "in HTML4" ?
# [21:03] <paul_irish> or just delete the whole thing as i think both chrome and saf let you do that with A's and span's
# [21:03] * paul_irish fiddles
# [21:05] <paul_irish> nooope. still doesnt work.
# [21:05] <paul_irish> where's that html5 test suite!
# [21:06] <zcorpan> paul_irish: <embed src="different_file.swf" ...></embed> - embed is a void element
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# [21:06] <paul_irish> oh jk. just needs display:block;
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# [21:06] <paul_irish> zcorpan: so no closer neccessary?
# [21:07] <mikesusz> dhtml
# [21:07] <zcorpan> paul_irish: not only not necessary, but "forbidden" :)
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# [21:07] <paul_irish> omg :o
# [21:07] <paul_irish> k. fixes that too
# [21:08] <snover> it bugs me so much that <embed> got codified in html5
# [21:09] <snover> Allow arbitrary attributes? Sure! That has never ever caused any trouble before or anything
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# [21:09] <zcorpan> snover: what's the trouble?
# [21:09] <snover> We definitely did not introduce a special prefix for user attributes just to avoid this exact scenario or anything.
# [21:09] <Michael> paul_irish, re http://code.google.com/p/doctype/wiki/ArticleGoogleChromeCompatFAQ#UserAgent_Detection
# [21:09] <snover> zcorpan: I think I just explained the trouble :)
# [21:09] <paul_irish> yeah the end of that one sucks bad
# [21:09] <Michael> It would be awesome if chrome recognized conditional comments
# [21:10] <paul_irish> terrible idea
# [21:10] <Michael> That way you could have the same id="blah" in the twice-cooked method of embedding swfs
# [21:10] <tw2113> paul_irish, with modernizr, i need to have the .cssgradients in front of the declaration, to make sure that the .nocssgradients call sticks, right?
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# [21:10] <zcorpan> snover: the trouble being that embed attributes might clash with future html global attributes?
# [21:10] <paul_irish> tw2113: ummmmm yes?
# [21:10] <gasbakid> .
# [21:10] <snover> zcorpan: yep.
# [21:10] <Michael> paul_irish, Give me an idea so I can shoot you down now.
# [21:11] <snover> also it doesn’t allow for fallback
# [21:11] <snover> like <object>
# [21:11] <snover> it’s so just not cloud.
# [21:11] <Michael> The problem I'm facing is needing to call ExternalInterface on a swf, and I have to get the object's id attribute
# [21:11] <Michael> BUt since I have to embed 2 objects I can't have the same id for each
# [21:11] <zcorpan> snover: doesn't seem like a huge problem to me
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# [21:14] <paul_irish> Michael: pretty sure you just want to set them to the same
# [21:14] <Michael> That's what I thought but it breaks in FF
# [21:14] <Michael> FF, despite 'ignoring' the object with the classif attribute - still remember it's id
# [21:14] <Michael> Kind of dumb
# [21:14] <Michael> classid rather
# [21:15] <Michael> So when I do $('#object').play(null) it won't work
# [21:15] <Michael> BUt if I remove the id from the first (IE) object and try again it works
# [21:15] <Michael> It's not a big deal. Just trying to avoid browser detection in JS
# [21:16] <paul_irish> s'easy
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# [21:17] <tw2113> there's a good question for you modernizr users in general...do you put your .noWhatever calls in the conditional stylesheets? or just leave them in the main one?
# [21:17] <mikesusz> i put everything special in the conditional stylesheet
# [21:17] <mikesusz> so someday when my stats say 0% ie6 or whatever, i delete the include and the file
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# [21:18] <paul_irish> i dont believe it in
# [21:18] <paul_irish> plus i dont use conditional stylesheets.
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# [21:19] <mikesusz> paul_irish - you must be lucky enough that your clients don't insist on (more) equivalent user experiences in downlevel browsers :)
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# [21:19] <tw2113> he has clients? :D
# [21:19] <mikesusz> tw2113 - exactly :)
# [21:19] <paul_irish> heh. not anymore :)
# [21:19] <paul_irish> mikesusz: i use conditional classes on the html/body tag
# [21:19] <tw2113> i imagine all his traffic are from smart people
# [21:19] <tw2113> so he doesn't need to
# [21:20] <tw2113> as much at least
# [21:20] <Michael> paul_irish, How is chrome frame's user base growing?
# [21:20] <tw2113> how does that work out without browser sniffing? unless it's all just from modernizr
# [21:20] <paul_irish> very well.
# [21:20] <Michael> good
# [21:20] <paul_irish> are you interested in beta-testing a new version of it?
# [21:21] <paul_irish> the one with the non-admin installs
# [21:21] <Michael> Sure
# [21:21] <paul_irish> i need beta testers
# [21:21] <paul_irish> pm me your email
# [21:21] <paul_irish> tw2113: see the top of the boilerplate markup
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# [21:22] <tw2113> k
# [21:23] <fyrd> paul_irish: Hey, will WebGL be coming to CF?
# [21:23] <fyrd> I'm assuming yes.
# [21:23] <tw2113> ?g html5 boilerplate
# [21:23] <bot-t> tw2113, HTML5 Boilerplate - A rock-solid default for HTML5 awesome. - http://html5boilerplate.com/
# [21:24] <Michael> fyrd, it would have to in order to compete
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# [21:26] <paul_irish> fyrd: of course. everything comes to CF
# [21:27] <Michael> paul_irish, Do you work with Ken Russell?
# [21:27] <fyrd> EVERYTHING, eh? mmm...pie.
# [21:27] <cgcardona> tw2113: how was that veggie sub?
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# [21:27] <fyrd> mmm...veggie sub
# [21:27] <paul_irish> Michael: yeah he's on my floor. walk past him and the GPU guys all the time
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# [21:27] <Michael> right on
# [21:27] <cgcardona> mmmm veggie sub indead
# [21:28] <Michael> I see a lot of posts from him on the WebGL list
# [21:28] <cgcardona> *indeed
# [21:28] <paul_irish> busy dude
# [21:28] <Michael> yeah
# [21:28] <fyrd> paul_irish: Somehow that made me picture someone lying down on the floor of your hallway as people just walk past him.
# [21:29] <Michael> lol
# [21:29] <Michael> He's ideating
# [21:29] <tw2113> hee... paul_irish was the yahoo guideline reference a jab to google or just because you preferred it more at the time?
# [21:29] <fyrd> Dammit Ken, stop lying around.
# [21:29] <Michael> Or imaginating or whatever
# [21:29] <tw2113> for the conditional sheets vs hacks post
# [21:30] <paul_irish> tw2113: was it a jab?
# [21:30] <tw2113> yeah, like you had something against them
# [21:30] <paul_irish> ?g paul irish neither
# [21:30] <bot-t> paul_irish, Conditional stylesheets vs CSS hacks? Answer: Neither! � Paul Irish - http://paulirish.com/2008/conditional-stylesheets-vs-css-hacks-answer-neither/
# [21:30] <tw2113> "Also ? Yahoo's internal coding best practices do not recommend conditional stylesheets"
# [21:31] <paul_irish> this is true.
# [21:31] <paul_irish> and yahoo has some of the best frontend devs ever
# [21:31] <paul_irish> OF ALL TIME
# [21:31] <tw2113> they've had the time to develop them
# [21:31] <Michael> that background spikes my cpu
# [21:31] <cgcardona> ya who?
# [21:31] <tw2113> when did they form? 1995?
# [21:31] <Michael> 25%
# [21:32] <Michael> paul_irish, I'd rather see conditional comments in the bottom of the CSS files
# [21:32] <Michael> rather than bloating the markup
# [21:33] <Michael> /* [if !IE] */
# [21:33] <paul_irish> i wouldnt
# [21:33] <paul_irish> then you'd have like a portion of your styles declared in a totally different area
# [21:33] <Michael> Seems like you're punishing the markup for the benefit of CSS
# [21:33] <Michael> Well maybe not the bottom necessarily - but in the stylesheet
# [21:34] <paul_irish> you're trying to figure out why something had a left margin of 5px and not 20px and you dont see it near any of the .widget styles
# [21:34] <paul_irish> because its off in some totally different area
# [21:34] <Michael> right
# [21:34] <paul_irish> Michael: we all have different concepts of beautiful markup.
# [21:35] <paul_irish> i can write some really fucking gorgeous markup that totally blows when it gets rendered in the browser.
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# [21:35] <paul_irish> sooooooooooooooo whatev
# [21:35] <Michael> What about .myClass { margin: 8px; @browser "ie8" { margin: 5px; } } ?
# [21:36] <paul_irish> you want to argue about hypotheticals that are nowhere close to reality? :)
# [21:36] <serio> @browser?
# [21:36] <rolson> lol
# [21:36] * serio dreams
# [21:36] <Michael> Yes I'm recommending something hypothetical :P
# [21:36] <paul_irish> Michael: SASS might have some pseudo syntax for that.
# [21:37] <paul_irish> if not, they should/could.
# [21:37] <Michael> Just like I'd love to see @scope #myOneOffLayout { .article { padding-left: -7em; } }
# [21:37] <fyrd> I've seen that discussed on www-style many times.
# [21:37] <serio> I wish SASS was available in the non-rails world
# [21:37] <fyrd> Not likely to go anywhere though.
# [21:37] <paul_irish> nope never
# [21:37] <Ms2ger> Fortunately not
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# [21:38] <serio> there are ways of targeting ie8 specifically though, no?
# [21:38] <Michael> CSS needs namespacing
# [21:38] <Michael> So you don't have to prefix everything with a highly intricate selector
# [21:38] <paul_irish> Michael: there are some interesting threads about this for level 4 selectors
# [21:38] <Michael> serio, of course
# [21:38] <Michael> paul_irish, sweet. I've had this idea for years
# [21:38] <Michael> Just never put it out there
# [21:39] <paul_irish> you arent alone. :) you should hop on the lists and refine the ideas
# [21:39] <Michael> what list?
# [21:40] <paul_irish> i think it's all in www-style
# [21:40] <paul_irish> http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/selectors4
# [21:40] <Michael> sweet, thanks
# [21:41] <Michael> Do you know off the top of your head if that list is logged publically, revealing peoples emails?
# [21:42] <zcorpan> yes
# [21:44] <Michael> crap.
# [21:44] <Michael> thanks, good to know
# [21:46] <tw2113> took some explaining, but my boss now comprehends what modernizr actually does as well as the IE testing for no conditional sheets
# [21:46] <paul_irish> \o/
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# [21:46] <tw2113> the only issue i could see with the IE part...there's not much for "IE8 and lower"
# [21:46] <tw2113> where it cascades to them all
# [21:47] <tw2113> crap, didn't read the post far enough, missed the steroids area
# [21:47] <paul_irish> steroidsssss
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# [21:51] <tw2113> i'm doing more reading, and failing to see how this is a hack
# [21:52] <tw2113> especially if you code validly from the getgo, the only things you should need to fix in those abominations are the ones that are non-standard issues from that browser
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# [21:53] <rickard2> hai guys
# [21:53] <Michael> Sounds like you're summarizing browser wars
# [21:53] <Michael> rickard2, hello there and once again it is good to see you. You're looking marvelous as always.
# [21:55] <paul_irish> tw2113: say what
# [21:55] <rickard2> Michael, well thank you
# [21:55] <tw2113> the linked article by Louis Lazaris
# [21:55] <tw2113> he calls it a workaround/hack and whatnot
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# [22:02] <paul_irish> o.
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# [22:13] <tw2113> time to pimp this technique in #wordpress for a minute
# [22:15] <Michael> gl
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# [22:17] <NiftyLettuce> does a mixin exist for multiple background images in sass?
# [22:18] <Michael> #rubyonrails ?
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# [22:19] <globe> is there a difference between polyfill, fallback, mixin, …? if not, why the different names?
# [22:19] <Michael> Mixin is what a rails plugin is called
# [22:20] <Michael> due to the way ruby modules 'mix' together
# [22:20] <Michael> I guess ruby modules in general can be called mixins
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# [22:20] <globe> actually I've seen some "make this html5 thing sort of work in IE" be called a "mixin" somewhere some time ago…
# [22:20] <Thasmo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixin
# [22:21] <NiftyLettuce> oye
# [22:21] <Michael> Here's a related article http://groups.google.com/group/compass-users/browse_thread/thread/305b30dfeb9c894b
# [22:21] <Michael> globe, probably misuse of terms
# [22:21] <Michael> They probably saw 'mixin' like we just did and accepted it
# [22:22] <Thasmo> Is there or a new version or does anybody know an alternative for the web developer toolbar for firefox 4?
# [22:23] <Michael> hmm no
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# [22:24] <Thasmo> Ah alright, found this: http://chrispederick.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2705
# [22:24] <Michael> Thasmo, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/15003/
# [22:24] <Michael> Add-on Compatibility Reporter
# [22:25] <Thasmo> thanks
# [22:25] <Michael> np
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# [22:49] <zcorpan> y'all should play around with -o-object-fit
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# [22:57] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: alo mate
# [22:57] <paul_irish> hey nifty
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# [22:58] <Michael> paul_irish, stop breaking google groups
# [22:59] <paul_irish> whatd i do
# [22:59] <Michael> I don't know lol
# [22:59] <Michael> Getting server errors about half the time I refresh
# [22:59] <Michael> http://groups.google.com/group/swfobject/
# [23:00] <mikesusz> then refresh faster
# [23:00] <Michael> that will skew the results man. You're crazy
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# [23:04] <Michael> night guys
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# [23:08] <tw2113> nice! input[type=foo] is working in IE6
# [23:09] <paul_irish> how
# [23:09] <tw2113> no idea
# [23:10] <tw2113> it's in IETester
# [23:10] <tw2113> i'm wondering if it's perhaps selectivzr
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# [23:18] <cgcardona> whois tw2113
# [23:18] <cgcardona> oops i meant /whois
# [23:18] <cgcardona> doh!
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# [23:20] <serio> attribute selectors don't work in IE6, that's crazy talk
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# [23:21] <tw2113> i'm not sure whether that's sarcasm or not
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# [23:23] <mikesusz> did we even know what attributes were in 2001? besides style=""
# [23:23] <tw2113> like i said, i blame selectivr until proven wrong
# [23:24] <mikesusz> i noticed selctivizr not doing what i expected it to
# [23:24] <mikesusz> so i deleted it and haven't tried it again
# [23:24] <tw2113> it does take some dedication to fix IE stuff
# [23:25] <tw2113> i might as well test my theory...delete the selectivzr reference
# [23:26] <mikesusz> i spent most of 2010 making equivalent UI/UX for IE6 (for banks) and i've got PTSD
# [23:26] <tw2113> bingo, that's what's allowing it
# [23:31] <danielfilho> tw2113: need ANYONE of those Wisconsin burgers. RIGHT NOW.
# [23:32] <dmachi> paul_irish: thats some funny ascii art in yayquery's src
# [23:32] <paul_irish> :)
# [23:32] <paul_irish> you gotta ctrl (minus) to get the FULL view
# [23:32] <paul_irish> heh
# [23:33] <dmachi> funny
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# [23:34] <danielfilho> that ascii art is a... hmm...
# [23:34] <danielfilho> a male genital bending down?
# [23:35] <mikesusz> needs more raptorize
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# [23:37] <tw2113> here you go paul_irish http://twitter.com/#!/aaronmentele/statuses/22420369113616384
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# [23:38] <paul_irish> <3 aaron
# [23:38] <paul_irish> hahahaha
# [23:43] <tw2113> i love that i finally got to use selectivizr and didn't even realize it
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