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# [00:15] <burg> hello. how can i create an websocket server? i`m using apache2 on ubuntu 10.10
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# [00:22] <antonkovalyov> you can use http://code.google.com/p/pywebsocket/
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# [01:06] <murz> is the Capture API implemented in any mobile browsers right now?
# [01:07] <murz> partially anyway
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# [01:17] <paul_irish> i dont think so
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# [01:18] <paul_irish> .hwaccel { -webkit-transform: translateZ(0); } /* really is magic */
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# [01:22] <antonkovalyov> hey people
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# [01:22] <antonkovalyov> we were talking about geoloc api today
# [01:22] <antonkovalyov> are there any docs about using it from inside the iframe?
# [01:23] <antonkovalyov> actually, let me try it real quick
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# [01:29] <antonkovalyov> oh
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# [01:30] <antonkovalyov> it is by domain only
# [01:30] <antonkovalyov> so does it mean that if i gave my location to google.com (on google.com), they can use the permission everywhere even within the adsense blocks?
# [01:32] <antonkovalyov> nvm, chrome is smart about that http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/qzpudlfx_q0y.png
# [01:35] <paul_irish> hey antonkovalyov
# [01:35] <paul_irish> aint adsense blocks just script and not iframe?
# [01:35] <paul_irish> interesting though that it checks for embedded status
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# [01:36] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish: yeah, i just realized (hence the screenshot above) that it checks for embedded status
# [01:36] <paul_irish> handy.
# [01:37] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish: it would be cool if we could ask for permission on disqus.com whether it is standalone or embeded
# [01:37] <antonkovalyov> i mean, it would be cool for us :)
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# [01:40] <Martijnc> are there any know reasons that would cause a web worker to still make the ui unresponsive?
# [01:44] <bckenny> how unresponsive is unresponsive?
# [01:44] <Martijnc> as unresponsive as it could be
# [01:45] <bckenny> like, totally frozen?
# [01:45] <Martijnc> yes
# [01:46] <bckenny> well if its just the web worker and nothing running in the main event loop (like execution on returned messages), definitely sounds like a bug
# [01:46] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, interestingly enough, chrome apps don't ask for any permissions (at least tweetdeck didn't)
# [01:48] <bckenny> Martijnc: if you run it in chrome you can also look at the task manager and see which process is eating up CPU time...the worker process will have "web worker:" in its name
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# [01:55] <Martijnc> hmm
# [01:55] <Martijnc> got it now
# [01:55] <Martijnc> it only spaws a real web worker when I open it in new tab
# [01:55] <Martijnc> and not when I refresh the page
# [01:57] <bckenny> wait, how would it run the code the rest of the time?
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# [01:57] <bckenny> unless you have some worker emulator thing
# [01:57] <Martijnc> in the tab: thread
# [01:58] <Martijnc> the code was the same
# [01:58] <bckenny> that seems weird
# [01:58] <Martijnc> very strange, seems to work fine now
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# [01:59] <bckenny> the more eyes on workers the merrier
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# [02:00] <bckenny> the latest firefox nightlies just got a huge bump in worker performance
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# [04:32] <obert-> hm
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# [04:44] <paul_irish> hm
# [04:45] <nimbupani> o?
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# [05:08] <antonkovalyo> this is a nice channel
# [05:09] <tw2113> and always here
# [05:11] <paul_irish> :p
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# [05:15] <tw2113> this is sadly very true http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/html-css-techniques/getting-started-with-html-emails/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+nettuts+(Nettuts%2B)
# [05:15] <paul_irish> whoaaaaa this is weird.
# [05:16] <paul_irish> hey tw2113 i have a userscript for you to install
# [05:16] <tw2113> should it work in linux?
# [05:16] <paul_irish> tw2113: https://gist.github.com/626834 yup
# [05:17] <paul_irish> so.. weirdness:
# [05:17] <paul_irish> use FF minefield.. hit play on this video : http://quality.mozilla.org/ navigate somewhere
# [05:17] <paul_irish> hit back
# [05:17] <paul_irish> video keeps resuming
# [05:17] <paul_irish> crazyyyyy
# [05:17] <paul_irish> nimbupani: ^
# [05:18] <nimbupani> k downloading
# [05:18] <tw2113> drag that created .js file onto the window in general? onto a bookmark?
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# [05:21] <thatryan> whoa, are you guys always here? or just come back? ;)
# [05:21] <tw2113> i autojoin this room
# [05:21] <zachleat> No kidding, workaholics!
# [05:21] <tw2113> work?
# [05:21] <zachleat> funaholics?
# [05:21] <thatryan> glad someone tweeted it earlier, nice hangout :D
# [05:22] <tw2113> that was me
# [05:22] <thatryan> wait who are you lol
# [05:22] <tw2113> the person that tweeted about being in here with a bunch of people, and had it retweeted
# [05:22] <paul_irish> thatryan: always here
# [05:23] <paul_irish> yeah it was tw's tweet orig
# [05:23] <thatryan> well thanks!
# [05:23] <nimbupani> paul_irish: no its not resuming for me
# [05:23] <paul_irish> minefield?
# [05:23] <nimbupani> it goes to the prev page
# [05:23] <nimbupani> yeah
# [05:23] <paul_irish> and whats the state of the video
# [05:23] <paul_irish> maybe it was a bug? i ahvent updated in a few days
# [05:24] <zachleat> Anyone submit a talk to jsconf portland?
# [05:24] <nimbupani> i have the fresh install from tonite
# [05:24] <paul_irish> i kinda like it though
# [05:24] <paul_irish> zachleat: not yet
# [05:24] <paul_irish> probably will.
# [05:24] <nimbupani> CAN I CAN I
# [05:24] <paul_irish> zachleat: you should. about automated iterative testing
# [05:24] <paul_irish> nimbupani: yes
# [05:24] <tw2113> http://cdn.imgfave.com/image_cache/1294101701283742.jpeg
# [05:24] <tw2113> fuck yeah
# [05:24] <nimbupani> only no clue ON WAT
# [05:24] <zachleat> I was thinking about it
# [05:25] <tw2113> i submit the talk of "html5........fuck yeah" and then walk away
# [05:26] <zachleat> that would be a short one, maybe a lightning talk
# [05:27] <paul_irish> ?gl @ tw2113
# [05:27] <bot-t> tw2113, http://goodluckwiththatdude.com/
# [05:27] <tw2113> i'd giggle like a schoolgirl if i got a standing ovation
# [05:28] <zachleat> it'd make a good ending, maybe not the best content though
# [05:28] <tw2113> true, the opening is weak
# [05:29] <zachleat> it's like a bread sandwich
# [05:29] <tw2113> “Sometimes I get the feeling the whole world is against me, but deep down I know that’s not true. Some smaller countries are neutral.”
# [05:29] <tw2113> not related, i just like the quote
# [05:30] <tw2113> i like this one from failbook too "i almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met"
# [05:30] <zachleat> What books are you guys reading right now? I just got a copy of Progressive Enhancement
# [05:30] <paul_irish> why dont these browsers work the same.
# [05:30] <paul_irish> zachleat: stoyan's js patterns book.
# [05:31] <tw2113> i need to finish Hardboiled Web Design
# [05:31] <tw2113> i want to read up more on yql
# [05:31] <tw2113> i really need to refine my git use
# [05:32] <zachleat> I wonder if YQL is eventually headed to the Yahoo graveyard
# [05:32] <thatryan> tw2113: I just started reading on YQL myself.
# [05:32] <thatryan> git as well, I created my first repo yay :p
# [05:32] <tw2113> bbs, gotta take care of something
# [05:34] <paul_irish> zachleat: http://oksoclap.com/browsersniffs
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# [05:39] <thatryan> I should have watched more closely when paul_irish was update jQuery RIGHT NEXT TO ME lol
# [05:39] <thatryan> http://www.flickr.com/photos/thatryan/5102551381/
# [05:40] <thatryan> :D
# [05:41] <antonkovalyo> was that a conference?
# [05:41] <thatryan> yeah jQuery Boston
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# [05:41] <antonkovalyo> oh i think my colleague went there
# [05:41] <thatryan> AKA long ass flight
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# [05:42] <antonkovalyo> :-)
# [05:43] <paul_irish> yeah ben spoke at it
# [05:43] <antonkovalyo> too bad i could not make it that time :(
# [05:44] <antonkovalyo> paul_irish, are you going to be at the next js pub night?
# [05:44] <thatryan> That pic FYI is the birthplace of fadeToggle() lol
# [05:45] <paul_irish> antonkovalyo: when is it
# [05:46] <antonkovalyo> january 13th
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# [05:50] <tw2113> isn't firefox 4 supposed to officially drop within a month or two?
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# [05:53] <paul_irish> aww http://www.gtalbot.org/GRAPHICS/JPG/ie7bug.jpg
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# [05:55] <tw2113> i'm thinking it's time to shake some things up
# [05:55] <tw2113> move back to firefox for all my home browsing
# [05:58] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, from?
# [05:58] <tw2113> chrome
# [05:58] <miketaylr> lies, he uses ie7
# [05:58] <tw2113> the other option would be Opera
# [05:59] <tw2113> nah, that browser don't run on Fedora
# [05:59] <miketaylr> haha
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# [06:00] <tw2113> speaking of....*removes Wine emulator*
# [06:02] <thatryan> I am trying to use chrome primarily now, still getting used to the dev tools though...
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# [06:02] <tw2113> i think that's maybe part of it...i kind of miss a full working firebu
# [06:02] <tw2113> g
# [06:03] <tw2113> i could keep chrome around for the tweetdeck app :D
# [06:03] <thatryan> yeah, I love browsing with chrome, but firebug is just too useful :(
# [06:03] <thatryan> lol
# [06:03] <paul_irish> firebug finally works in minefield.
# [06:03] <paul_irish> after like... 3 months of incompat
# [06:04] <tw2113> yum isn't pulling in beta8...need to fix this fact
# [06:04] <tw2113> unless it's not available in the repo i use, hmm
# [06:10] <tw2113> it's strangely intriguing watching WordPress core developers playfully bicker on twitter
# [06:11] <thatryan> lol why is that
# [06:11] <tw2113> just some of the things they say
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# [06:12] <tw2113> they're throwing cheesy bad music videos at each other, with the tag of #earworm
# [06:12] <tw2113> are you @thatryan on twitter? just guessing on the ID
# [06:13] <thatryan> kinda lol @ryanolson I have that account also, but did not use it enough
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# [06:14] <thatryan> so if you look up that id it is a little less as pathetic :D
# [06:15] <tw2113> werd
# [06:15] <tw2113> you'll never tell which of your new followers is me
# [06:15] <tw2113> NEVA i tell you
# [06:16] <thatryan> wait I think I can crack this code!
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# [06:16] <thatryan> bam cracked :)
# [06:16] <tw2113> doh
# [06:17] <thatryan> ha you interviewed cheryl ?
# [06:19] <thatryan> she used to hang out in tinychat with a group of us all the time
# [06:19] <thatryan> wow you have all kinds of rad interviews
# [06:19] <tw2113> oh that cheryl harrison
# [06:20] <tw2113> it's like i know twitter people
# [06:20] <thatryan> indeed
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# [06:21] <tw2113> i was disappointed with the Jon Phillips interview simply for the fact that for how popular his account and site are, there was very little traffic
# [06:22] <thatryan> ah really? that kinda sucks yeah
# [06:23] <tw2113> i have another one in the works
# [06:23] <tw2113> after what? 5 months off?
# [06:24] <tw2113> oops, nope
# [06:24] <tw2113> Sneh was in november
# [06:24] <thatryan> lol yeah I just looked, im about to read through these ;)
# [06:24] <tw2113> there's some good questions in them
# [06:25] <tw2113> more the summer ones when i had a different job and way too much free time to brainstorm them
# [06:26] <thatryan> lol time yes, the eternal killer
# [06:26] <tw2113> well, i did security officer front desk work, which means a building babysitter
# [06:26] <tw2113> i would sit at the front desk up to 12 hours
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# [06:28] <tw2113> i used the windows 2000 computer they provided to the fullest extent i could, including for a long while, a usb stick with portable software
# [06:28] <tw2113> i eventually got found out and told not to bring it anymore
# [06:28] <thatryan> thats determination!
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# [06:29] <tw2113> i think i was running IE6 natively, but wanted firefox and openoffice and inkscape and the gimp
# [06:29] <tw2113> notepad++
# [06:29] <tw2113> pdf reader
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# [06:29] <tw2113> oh yeah....xampp
# [06:30] <tw2113> :D
# [06:30] <tw2113> i turned that desktop pc into a server
# [06:30] <thatryan> nice, I had switched from pc to mac before i started learning any of this stuff :)
# [06:30] <tw2113> i was making myself basic php loops that did various things
# [06:31] <tw2113> started having a lot of fun with html hex color codes
# [06:32] <tw2113> i have myself still, a 1.5mb html file with a bunch that pingpong back and forth a lot but are all individual colors
# [06:33] <thatryan> still play with it?
# [06:33] <tw2113> not really
# [06:33] <tw2113> but in a text editor, i have 2 colors defined per line, in paragraph tags, with inline background-color set to each color
# [06:34] <tw2113> line 11 has 000000 and 000001
# [06:34] <tw2113> line 16524 has 007f01 and 007f00
# [06:34] <tw2113> :D
# [06:34] <thatryan> that is a lot of lines ;)
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# [06:35] <tw2113> i individually typed out/copy-pasted/ctrl+f'd 33048 individual colors
# [06:36] <tw2113> all in a gradient
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# [06:37] <tw2113> want me to copy it into my public dropbox for you?
# [06:38] <tw2113> obviously, it was a boring job, and i found ways to entertain myself, in ways that my old bosses there will never find all about
# [06:39] <thatryan> holy crap dude! yeah id like to see that :)
# [06:40] <tw2113> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3534225/colorcodesbyhand.html
# [06:40] <tw2113> time to warm up that processor
# [06:42] <thatryan> lol no kidding
# [06:43] <thatryan> ok, and what was the point of this? :p
# [06:43] <tw2113> absolute boredom and killing time
# [06:44] <tw2113> keeping track of who forgot their access badge however many times wasn't a big enough filler
# [06:44] <tw2113> that was my other "big project" keeping track of that, and calculating stats based on it
# [06:44] <tw2113> i had a lot of time with excel
# [06:44] <thatryan> lol
# [06:45] <tw2113> average by month, average by person, who forgot it the most, how many times by day of week
# [06:45] <thatryan> holy crap you were bored ;)
# [06:45] <tw2113> i forget all the areas
# [06:45] <tw2113> monday was always the big day to forget
# [06:46] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: you use sass?
# [06:47] <paul_irish> nah but i would if i could.
# [06:47] <thatryan> lol I read that as "you an ass?"
# [06:47] <NiftyLettuce> lol
# [06:47] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: you don't use less or anything? just straight css?
# [06:47] <paul_irish> straight up
# [06:47] <tw2113> paul_irish is full of sass
# [06:47] <paul_irish> ?g css3please
# [06:47] <bot-t> paul_irish, CSS3 Please! The Cross-Browser CSS3 Rule Generator - http://css3please.com/
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# [06:48] * tw2113 subscribed to the idea of putting IE classes on your html tag earlie
# [06:48] <tw2113> earlier*
# [06:48] <thatryan> word
# [06:48] <tw2113> removes the need for those pesky css conditional files
# [06:49] <paul_irish> pesky.
# [06:49] <thatryan> yeah that paul dude has some good ideas ;)
# [06:49] <paul_irish> huge douche
# [06:49] <tw2113> granted, i still have one for DD_belated_png
# [06:49] <thatryan> lol
# [06:49] <paul_irish> only relevant in his youth.
# [06:49] <tw2113> only IE6 needs it
# [06:49] <thatryan> youth ha! what he must be pushing 20 now right? :D
# [06:50] <tw2113> what?
# [06:50] <tw2113> i thought paul_irish came out of the womb last week
# [06:50] <tw2113> he was protesting about weak wireless signal through the womb wall
# [06:50] <paul_irish> guys i just saw the most amazing internal demo
# [06:50] <thatryan> lol
# [06:50] <paul_irish> too bad you cant see it
# [06:50] <thatryan> AAAHHHHH
# [06:50] <paul_irish> you'll go nuts
# [06:50] <tw2113> we already are nuts if we hang out with you
# [06:50] <tw2113> :D
# [06:51] <thatryan> nuts by association
# [06:51] <tw2113> nuts^2?
# [06:51] <paul_irish> ?wa black unicode heart
# [06:51] <bot-t> paul_irish, No results found for 'black unicode heart'.
# [06:51] <paul_irish> weak, bot-t.
# [06:51] <thatryan> LOL
# [06:52] <thatryan> you talked to the bot
# [06:52] <thatryan> rad++
# [06:52] <paul_irish> bot-t: you like it when i talk to you?
# [06:52] <bot-t> paul_irish, As I see it, yes.
# [06:52] <tw2113> bots are fun to abuse
# [06:52] <tw2113> !slap tw2113
# [06:52] <paul_irish> bot-t: do you think about me sometimes when i'm not around?
# [06:52] <bot-t> paul_irish, It is certain.
# [06:52] <tw2113> damn, no slap feature
# [06:52] <paul_irish> LOVE UUUUU
# [06:52] <nimbupani> bot-t: are you lying?
# [06:52] <bot-t> nimbupani, Reply hazy, try again.
# [06:52] <thatryan> lol
# [06:52] <paul_irish> hahah botty loves me
# [06:52] <nimbupani> bot-t: you lie, is that true?
# [06:52] <bot-t> nimbupani, Better not tell you now.
# [06:53] <nimbupani> :D :D
# [06:53] <tw2113> bot-t: will paul_irish rule the world?
# [06:53] <bot-t> tw2113, Cannot predict now.
# [06:53] <thatryan> bot is an 8 ball!
# [06:53] <tw2113> that's it...get to work on the html6 boilerplate
# [06:53] <thatryan> bot-t: is IE the best?
# [06:53] <bot-t> thatryan, Concentrate and ask again.
# [06:53] <thatryan> lol
# [06:53] <thatryan> called me stupid
# [06:54] <paul_irish> thatryan: lemme know if you think of any new names for bplate :)
# [06:54] <thatryan> paul_irish: ahh really, ok indeed man
# [06:55] <paul_irish> nimbupani: i'm gonna lock down this thread.....
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# [06:55] <paul_irish> not that i can.... but IF I COULD!!!
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# [06:56] <thatryan> which thread
# [06:56] <paul_irish> thatryan: you gotta see my new siteeeeee
# [06:56] <tw2113> i'd get the ipad 2 if the upper right panel were true http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1486.html
# [06:58] <thatryan> paul_irish: how many sites do you have??? lol and whats the newest? Aurgasm?
# [06:58] <nimbupani> well its okay paul_irish
# [06:58] <nimbupani> i just want those spaniards to communicate
# [06:58] <nimbupani> so they can get it done.
# [06:58] <paul_irish> thatryan: http://mothereffinghsl.com (dont share for now)
# [06:58] <paul_irish> maybe ill finish it now.
# [06:58] <thatryan> oh shitttttttt
# [06:58] <thatryan> thats bad
# [06:58] <thatryan> + ass
# [06:59] <nimbupani> geez all my luv
# [06:59] <paul_irish> yeah i'm gonna wreck your love
# [06:59] <nimbupani> :'(
# [06:59] <thatryan> thats hot
# [06:59] <nimbupani> </3
# [06:59] <thatryan> wait...
# [06:59] <tw2113> my mind works better with rgb, but you know
# [06:59] <tw2113> i'd figure it out eventually
# [07:00] <paul_irish> tw2113: 0 is red. and it goes back to red at 360. in the middle is ROY G BIV
# [07:00] <paul_irish> needs more mnenomics
# [07:05] <paul_irish> nimbupani: howd you do these diamonds?!
# [07:05] <paul_irish> -webkit-gradient(linear, 0 50%, 0 100%, from(transparent), to(hsla(300, 0%, 0%, 0.8))), -webkit-gradient(linear, 0 100%, 100% 0, color-stop(.25, hsla(300, 0%, 100%, 0.08)), color-stop(.25, transparent), color-stop(0.5, transparent), color-stop(0.5, hsla(300, 0%, 100%, 0.08)), color-stop(.75, hsla(300, 0%, 100%, 0.08)), color-stop(.75, transparent), to(transparent)), -webkit-gradient(linear, 0 0, 100% 100%, color-stop(.
# [07:05] <paul_irish> 25, hsla(300, 0%, 100%, 0.08)), color-stop(.25, transparent), color-stop(0.5, transparent), color-stop(0.5, hsla(300, 0%, 100%, 0.08)), color-stop(.75, hsla(300, 0%, 100%, 0.08)), color-stop(.75, transparent), to(transparent))
# [07:05] <paul_irish> VOODOO
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# [07:08] <nimbupani> VOODOO paul_irish
# [07:08] <nimbupani> background-size mainly
# [07:08] <nimbupani> THESE GRADIENTS ARE NOW DIAMONDS
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# [07:09] <paul_irish> can they be applied to html element?
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# [07:09] <thatryan> lol
# [07:10] <nimbupani> yeah they can i bet
# [07:10] <paul_irish> yup.
# [07:10] <paul_irish> cool.. this is what i'm thinking
# [07:12] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://paulirish.com/i/1f80.png
# [07:12] <nimbupani> whats the black stuff
# [07:13] <paul_irish> what black stuff
# [07:13] <nimbupani> that grey bar on top
# [07:13] <paul_irish> its the diamonds
# [07:13] <paul_irish> http://paulirish.com/i/1fc0.png
# [07:14] <nimbupani> oh why does it look like so :/
# [07:14] <paul_irish> without any alpha you dont see the diamonds in the middle
# [07:14] <thatryan> MOTHER EFFIN DIAMONDS
# [07:14] <paul_irish> ;) ;)
# [07:14] <paul_irish> lemme toy with padding so the rectangle isnt so odd.
# [07:14] <nimbupani> really :/
# [07:15] <nimbupani> i dont see in my chrome :/
# [07:15] <paul_irish> im just playin in inspector
# [07:15] <nimbupani> k
# [07:16] <thatryan> how many "mothereffing" sites do you have now ? :)
# [07:17] <nimbupani> 2
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# [07:20] <paul_irish> nimbupani: http://paulirish.com/i/c3e0.png
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# [07:20] <paul_irish> fanciful.
# [07:20] <nimbupani> its too boxy
# [07:20] <tw2113> back
# [07:21] <paul_irish> too BOXY
# [07:21] <nimbupani> do you want more bling?
# [07:21] <paul_irish> its got TWO boxes
# [07:21] <nimbupani> yeah thats what
# [07:21] <paul_irish> one too many
# [07:21] <nimbupani> and the box of the browser itself
# [07:21] <nimbupani> it appears like a box in a box in a box
# [07:22] <nimbupani> and nothing to break the boxiness
# [07:22] <paul_irish> pushed to repo in case you want to ruin my beautifications
# [07:22] <nimbupani> WHICH I WILL
# [07:23] <paul_irish> nimbupani: label:active span { font-weight: bold; } <3333
# [07:23] <nimbupani> :)
# [07:24] <tw2113> who wants to pay me $.50?
# [07:28] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: what is a common reason for "<IfModule mod_rewrite.c>" causing .htaccess files not to work?
# [07:28] <NiftyLettuce> nevermind
# [07:29] <NiftyLettuce> my friend was using godaddy
# [07:29] <NiftyLettuce> lawl
# [07:29] <thatryan> ha
# [07:29] <NiftyLettuce> tw2113: what for
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# [07:30] <tw2113> absolutely nothing
# [07:30] <tw2113> but if you want, i won't deny that it was money to get me to shut up about whatever you choose
# [07:31] <thatryan> lol
# [07:31] <tw2113> http://www.beetlebaileydrx.com/ apparently Beetle Baily meets Jquery
# [07:32] <tw2113> ahhh another feature i miss in chrome...right click > view background image
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# [07:33] <tw2113> shit, hide the kittens, cgcardona is here
# [07:33] <paul_irish> NiftyLettuce: godaddy blowsss
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# [07:33] <cgcardona> meow
# [07:33] <paul_irish> it blows up on that line?
# [07:33] <paul_irish> fuckkkkkkk left
# [07:33] <paul_irish> sup cat
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# [07:33] <paul_irish> hey nifty
# [07:33] <tw2113> godaddy is apparently the IE6 of hosting
# [07:33] <paul_irish> godaddy blows up on that line?
# [07:33] <cgcardona> lolz
# [07:33] <paul_irish> speaking of cats. http://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/ewcb1/so_a_player_in_my_server_decided_to_start_making/
# [07:34] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: im guessing, either that or my friend is not certain of what he is doing...
# [07:36] <paul_irish> nimbupani: i need to work a paragraph of text into here
# [07:36] <paul_irish> to explain the mnemonic!
# [07:36] <thatryan> dont you have to invent the mnemonic first? ;)
# [07:37] <tw2113> name it Johnny
# [07:37] <nimbupani> why dont you add it in paul_irish
# [07:37] <thatryan> touche
# [07:37] <nimbupani> and do what you can.
# [07:37] <nimbupani> then I will adjust.
# [07:38] <paul_irish> OK chica
# [07:41] <paul_irish> nimbupani: check repo now
# [07:41] <paul_irish> added some stuff
# [07:41] <nimbupani> k lookingz
# [07:43] <nimbupani> ha ha ha ha S a t u r a t i o n
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# [07:44] <nimbupani> oh i see why you want the boxie
# [07:44] <nimbupani> so you can see the full color
# [07:44] <paul_irish> :)
# [07:44] <nimbupani> but it can just be a band.
# [07:46] <nimbupani> i wonder if I can make the color bleed smoothly.
# [07:47] <NiftyLettuce> im out
# [07:47] <NiftyLettuce> \o later all, best of luck, happiness, health in 2011
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# [07:50] <paul_irish> hmmm
# [07:50] <paul_irish> HSL(a) is the jam. Hue is like this: ROY G BIV is 0 to 300, and then back to red again. Saturation is grey to intense %; lightness % and alpha 0-1 are easy 'nuff.
# [07:50] <paul_irish> nimbupani: you can.. box shadow
# [07:50] <paul_irish> to feather it out.
# [07:50] <paul_irish> iunno if its worth it
# [07:51] <nimbupani> yeah but i dont wanna crash the stable webkits :P
# [07:51] <tw2113> night everyone
# [07:51] <nimbupani> bai tw2113
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# [07:53] <paul_irish> you would?
# [07:53] <nimbupani> yeah the inset box shadow stuff
# [07:53] <nimbupani> it was fixed recently
# [07:53] <nimbupani> or smthing I think.
# [07:53] <nimbupani> I remember being elated.
# [07:54] <nimbupani> omg how rude eabod for not supporting canvas!
# [07:55] <paul_irish> oh i wasnt thinking inset
# [07:55] <paul_irish> nimbupani: haha
# [07:57] <thatryan> lol i popped into the jquery channel https://skitch.com/thatryan1/r83ac/freenode-jquery
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# [07:59] <paul_irish> heh
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# [08:10] <juha__> yo dawgs
# [08:19] <thatryan> dawg yos
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# [08:56] <thatryan> paul_irish: you still here dude?
# [08:57] <paul_irish> ya
# [08:57] <thatryan> paul_irish: H5 Nexus
# [08:58] <paul_irish> wha
# [08:58] <thatryan> dunno, thinking of names :)
# [08:59] <paul_irish> O
# [08:59] <paul_irish> gotcha
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# [09:04] <juha__> H6000 is better
# [09:04] <kurrent> those gigantic statues in minefield - how the hell long does it take somebody to make one of those?
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# [09:12] <paul_irish> aiight http://mothereffinghsl.com/ is about done... will launch tomorrow.
# [09:13] <kurrent> that looks really good
# [09:18] <paulrouget> 'morning
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# [11:27] <sean`> hyou guys aware of any upcoming new doctypes of html5 :/
# [11:27] <sean`> cuz afaik, it's a lie
# [11:27] <zcorpan> what?
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# [11:31] <sean`> zcorpan, like I said
# [11:31] <sean`> but nvr mind :p
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# [14:16] <codepo8> Friggin ACE! Just create a WEBM version of your video with miroconverter and upload it to archive.org - they do the MP4 and OGG!
# [14:17] <JKarsrud> whoa, awesome!
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# [16:27] <felcom> anyone have an opinion one way or the other about yepnope.js? considering it for an upcoming project
# [16:28] <Boozeniges> I think it's a pretty sweet idea
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# [16:29] <J_A_X> alright, creating an enterprise level html5 application
# [16:30] <J_A_X> any good resources for starting html5 for an html4/css/javascript expert?
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# [16:31] <Boozeniges> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTML/HTML5 is a good start
# [16:31] <J_A_X> danke
# [16:32] <felcom> you'll probably need this as well http://www.modernizr.com/
# [16:32] <ben_c> I learnt lots from the webkit blog - http://webkit.org/blog/ (well css3 stuff moreso)
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# [16:35] <J_A_X> Boozeniges, so, I have this application which would work really well with flex, but we're building it in javascript. What will html5 give me that html4 can't in terms of creating content and such?
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# [16:37] <Boozeniges> J_A_X: what kind of things are you looking to achieve?
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# [16:39] <J_A_X> ticking prices, chartings, datagrids, some complex graphics, etc
# [16:39] <J_A_X> i know about html5 video and canvas
# [16:39] <J_A_X> that's about it :p
# [16:40] <Boozeniges> from what you've said canvas looks a good place to start
# [16:40] <J_A_X> like, put all the charting and stuff rendered in a canvas?
# [16:41] <J_A_X> can you have interactivity with something you create within canvas?
# [16:41] <zachleat> You should look at existing canvas or SVG charting implementations first
# [16:41] <Boozeniges> it's not really part of HTML5 but for charts you might want to look into SVG - there is a library called Rapeal that provides you cross browser functionality for that too which is pretty cool
# [16:41] <J_A_X> ie. you create a circle and you can then have mouse events added to it
# [16:41] <nimbupani> yeah svg will do really well with charts.
# [16:41] <ben_c> here's a graph engine: http://www.rgraph.net/
# [16:41] <J_A_X> nice thanks guys
# [16:41] <Boozeniges> you can do that easily with Raphael and SVG (which then uses VML for IE)
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# [16:45] <J_A_X> raphael looks nice, awesome
# [16:45] <J_A_X> only last thing, unit testing and code coverage
# [16:45] <J_A_X> any libraries for that?:
# [16:46] <zachleat> JsTestDriver
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# [16:46] <Boozeniges> well you don't need HTML5 for that and HTML5 will provide you with nothing
# [16:46] <J_A_X> Boozeniges, i know that, I'm just asking for the sake of the project :)
# [16:46] <Boozeniges> but yes - JsTestDriver is cool, qUnit is cool
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# [16:47] <J_A_X> awesome. Thanks so much gents
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# [17:05] <remysharp-away> FileReader API - should I be able to read arbitrary local urls? i.e. to replace loading files in using XHR?
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# [17:13] <zachleat> Haven't played with that yet remy, sorry
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# [17:16] <danielfilho> good morning kids
# [17:17] <felcom> looking at http://code.google.com/p/webforms2/ for a form polyfill, anyone know of a better one?
# [17:17] <zachleat> remysharp: docs look like filereader only works as result of input[file] or drag and drop operation, not just any arbitrary file
# [17:18] <jetienne> remysharp: seems like you cant. seems like dragdrop or data: url
# [17:18] <jetienne> arbitrary files could be a serious security issue
# [17:18] <remysharp> seems daft, that if we're building apps using this tech, to /read a file/ requires running an xhr request.
# [17:19] <jetienne> remysharp: well this is more "webby" this way
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# [17:19] <remysharp> fail
# [17:19] <zachleat> You can load local files using XHR?
# [17:19] <remysharp> yep
# [17:19] <remysharp> I mean local to the url - not off the drive
# [17:20] <remysharp> basically, I'm writing a dual phonegap/web app
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# [17:20] <remysharp> I want to read a JSON file that's got some settings, seems to stand to reason I should use the FileReader API
# [17:20] <remysharp> but it's giving me grief, and XHR works a treat, but it's the wrong hammer for the job.
# [17:20] <remysharp> it's like using a putter to tee off with.
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# [17:21] * remysharp not that I'm a golfer...
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# [17:22] <zachleat> I'm surprised phonegap doesn't provide a mechanism to read local files, maybe they want people to use XHR
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# [17:22] <remysharp> It does - it replicates the FileReader API - correctly
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# [17:23] <jetienne> remysharp: if i may, i would use local storage for a small config file
# [17:23] <remysharp> it's not
# [17:23] <remysharp> I would use localStorage for that
# [17:23] <remysharp> but it's a book app, and these files are the pages of the book
# [17:23] <remysharp> and their particular settings
# [17:23] <remysharp> so they don't belong in localStorage
# [17:23] <jetienne> yep, and localStorage space is quite limited
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# [17:24] <remysharp> jetienne: also, it doesn't fit the model where more books could be loaded later on in the app's existance
# [17:24] <remysharp> the user could own 200 books with an arse load of pages.
# [17:24] * remysharp strange image...
# [17:25] <jetienne> remysharp: all locally stored ?
# [17:25] <Boozeniges> I don't want to read those sort of books
# [17:25] <remysharp> jetienne: yep - to the device
# [17:25] <jetienne> remysharp: if you find a way to do a webapp with that, im interested
# [17:26] <remysharp> anyway, it's a file solution, and sadly xhr seems to be the hammer of choice. Lame.
# [17:26] <jetienne> in my case this is pictures
# [17:26] <remysharp> jetienne: I'm building it :-)
# [17:26] <remysharp> not sure what would happen at 200 books though :-\ !
# [17:26] <jetienne> remysharp: can you read a page from the disk without user manually picking the file to read ?
# [17:27] <jetienne> aka the usual upload UI... "browse" button or dragdrop
# [17:27] <jetienne> i have to experiment with this
# [17:28] <remysharp> well - in phonegap, yes, but not in a browser in the normal security model
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# [17:35] <codepo8> ls
# [17:35] <codepo8> OK, I should not IRC from command line
# [17:35] <codepo8> *facepalm*
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# [17:36] <serio> codepo8, :)
# [17:36] <zachleat> At least you didn't type "dir"
# [17:37] <serio> is dir not an alias to ls in most distros nowadays anyway?
# [17:37] <codepo8> or something like cat piratedstuff.rar.0* > monthlynumbers.rar
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# [17:38] <zachleat> serio: Probably, but who uses it except by accident?
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# [18:03] <tw2113> serio, dir is a windows "command line" think
# [18:03] <tw2113> thing*
# [18:04] * paul_irish wants "ls" to work in windows command line SO MUCH
# [18:04] <tw2113> get yourself a real terminal irish :P
# [18:04] <serio> tw2113, I know what it is, do you know what an alias is?
# [18:04] <tw2113> i wonder if they can use aliases there
# [18:05] <tw2113> heh
# [18:05] <tw2113> yeah, i have "update" aliased for "sudo yum update"
# [18:05] <tw2113> among some others
# [18:06] <serio> im just saying dir works in lots of *nix distros out of the box
# [18:06] <tw2113> hmmm
# [18:06] <serio> alias'd as ls
# [18:06] <tw2113> no idea, ls is easier :D
# [18:06] <serio> true
# [18:06] <tw2113> i wonder if your distro has sl
# [18:07] <serio> ^__^
# [18:07] <tw2113> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/232/unix-linux-pranks
# [18:07] <tw2113> read a few posts down, to the one with a train
# [18:08] <serio> paul_irish: http://www.askstudent.com/tips/how-to-use-unixlinux-commands-at-the-windows-command-prompt/
# [18:09] <paul_irish> fannnnntastic <3
# [18:09] <paul_irish> thx baby
# [18:09] <serio> btw, wtf do you use the command line for?
# [18:10] <paul_irish> porn.
# [18:10] <serio> ascii pron++
# [18:10] <tw2113> isn't that what the internet was invented for?
# [18:11] <serio> that, and youtube trolling
# [18:11] <tw2113> who could forget that?
# [18:12] <tw2113> my favorite meme lately is http://www.trollquotes.com/
# [18:13] <paul_irish> paulrouget: you working on the uploader demo? :p
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# [18:14] <paul_irish> i'm gonna add a comment to "me too" that request :)
# [18:15] <felcom> Do i have to do a Modernizr.inputtypes[type] test for each type or can i just do Modernizr.inputtypes?
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# [18:18] <paulrouget> paul_irish: well, I'm working the imgur.com guy, and I was sending him a lot of ideas. I thought it would be nice to have these stuff in one blog post
# [18:18] <paulrouget> and yes, I'm working on a demo :)
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# [18:19] <paulrouget> paul_irish: curl -I http://api.imgur.com/2/upload.json 2>&1 | grep Access :)
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# [18:23] <danielfilho> anyone here is going to attend jsConf '11? or speak?
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# [18:25] <paul_irish> paulrouget: hahah sweet.
# [18:25] <paul_irish> danielfilho: ill be there fosho. might speak
# [18:25] <thatryan> morning peoples
# [18:26] <danielfilho> paul_irish: I'm thinking about being there... not sure. I'd like to attend some FOWA or w2e
# [18:26] <tw2113> new favorite site: canvasrider.com
# [18:26] <thatryan> tw2113: yeah I got addicted to that site last month
# [18:26] <tw2113> who could blame you
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# [18:28] <tw2113> did you have to delete the bookmark so you'd stop sacrificing work time
# [18:29] <thatryan> lol i moved it out of my bookmark bar thats for sure ;)
# [18:29] <paul_irish> i jsut launched http://mothereffinghsl.com/
# [18:29] <thatryan> I just RT'd you on it :D
# [18:30] <paul_irish> hotshit
# [18:30] <tw2113> i was about to fail in the irish cult, but i RT'd it for you
# [18:30] <Pewpewarrows> paul_irish: as always, your novelty sites are full of win ^^
# [18:31] <thatryan> tw2113: close call man :)
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# [18:32] <paul_irish> thx Pewpewarrows
# [18:32] <itpastorn> It crashes Minefield on Linux...
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# [18:32] <paulrouget> itpastorn: it happens
# [18:32] <paulrouget> itpastorn: you can reproduce the crash?
# [18:32] <itpastorn> As in (sh)it happens...
# [18:32] <itpastorn> Just opening the URL. Crash report submitted.
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# [18:36] <zachleat> serio: awesome link, thanks for that
# [18:37] <tw2113> time to crack down...i have a list of site tweaks to do
# [18:37] <tw2113> bbl
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# [18:41] <zachleat> paul_irish: I thought I saw some slide show saying to keep you away from mothers, now you launch this
# [18:42] <paul_irish> hahaha
# [18:42] <bot-t> (6 mins 50 secs ago) <nimbupani> tell paul_irish WHY DID YOU CHANGE THE FONTTTTTTTT GROSS
# [18:42] <paul_irish> lol nimbu
# [18:42] <paul_irish> zachleat: is this my plan to seduce mothers everywhere with HSL?
# [18:42] <zachleat> devious, but undoubtedly effective
# [18:42] <paul_irish> forsure!
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# [18:48] <alrra> paul_irish: maybe add an *some problems, to "some inline plugin tests" (https://github.com/Modernizr/Modernizr/wiki ) for webkitSpeech ?
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# [18:51] <felcom> since browsers internally translate hsla to rgba, is the main benefit of hsla that it's just easier to work with?
# [18:52] <nimbupani> yes.
# [18:52] <felcom> ok =)
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# [18:55] <paul_irish> alrra: can you? its' a wiki!
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# [18:55] <paul_irish> i'd appreciate it. also it seems like there's a bug we shoudl report to crbug.com
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# [19:55] <danielfilho> I'd like to make something with JSON and JSONP (like an interpreter, validator or whatever) and name it Voorhees.
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# [19:55] <danielfilho> I'm SO creative. Not.
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# [20:09] <paul_irish> -webkit-transform: translateZ(0,0,0); fo life
# [20:09] <remysharp> paul_irish: I wish it weren't. You know, maybe browsers could actually fix that shit.
# [20:10] <paul_irish> yeahhhh
# [20:10] <paul_irish> well.. i imagine they well.
# [20:10] <paul_irish> i wonder if there's a ticket on it.
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# [20:10] <remysharp> I imagined, once, that in 2011 that ... something something something IE6.
# [20:10] <nimbupani> paul_irish: can I remove web sql from html5readiness?
# [20:11] <remysharp> <insert witty quip above>
# [20:11] <paul_irish> ya good idea nimbu
# [20:11] <nimbupani> we can add web sockets
# [20:11] <nimbupani> or multi col layout
# [20:11] <paul_irish> heh. keep the disabled folks on it
# [20:11] <paul_irish> fuck columns
# [20:11] <nimbupani> what you mean for sockets?
# [20:11] <nimbupani> yeah
# [20:11] <paul_irish> chrome/saf/ff/op
# [20:11] <Brodingo> so this is where the cool kids hang out
# [20:14] <paul_irish> nimbupani: <3
# [20:15] <paul_irish> desandro's got good taste.
# [20:15] <paul_irish> and you do, too. my dear
# [20:15] <paul_irish> just a different flavor of good taste.
# [20:15] <nimbupani> i guesssssssssssssss
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# [20:16] <nimbupani> as long as you keep that font away from html5readiness
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# [20:22] <nimbupani> paul_irish: should I update chrome 5 to chrome 9 or keep it to stable chrome 8?
# [20:23] <nimbupani> or chrome 10 even
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# [20:25] <paul_irish> nimbupani: probably just remove the chrome version number for the current year
# [20:25] <paul_irish> as for 2010.. ummmm
# [20:25] <paul_irish> i have no idea
# [20:25] <nimbupani> well i am not adding 2011 yet paul_irish
# [20:25] <paul_irish> o
# [20:25] <nimbupani> its too early yet.
# [20:25] <paul_irish> stable 8 then
# [20:25] <nimbupani> okay.
# [20:25] <paul_irish> for 2010
# [20:26] <nimbupani> k cool
# [20:27] <remysharp> nimbupani & paul_irish - while I remember, fryd got caniuse.com - so feel free to throw away my shortened "whencaniuse.com"
# [20:29] <nimbupani> k will do remysharp
# [20:30] <nimbupani> ok paul_irish i updatezz
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# [20:35] <tw2113> "A charset attribute on a meta element found after the first 512 bytes."
# [20:39] <thatryan> paul_irish: why dont we have jquery meetups out here seems like there is one a month in boston
# [20:39] <paul_irish> thatryan: some folks were organizing that before.... iunno.. if you wanna take the lead i can probably attend
# [20:40] <paul_irish> tw2113: on hsl site? i thought i kept it at the top!
# [20:40] <thatryan> paul_irish: oh cool, I will give that some thought thanks dude
# [20:40] <tw2113> no, that's my own client site
# [20:40] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, you should contact with javascript meetups organizers
# [20:40] <tw2113> i just found it interesting
# [20:41] <antonkovalyov> it was a nice meetup but it is stalled because they could not find speakers
# [20:41] <paul_irish> tw2113: yeah..... kinda sucks. we have that documented.
# [20:41] <antonkovalyov> and jquery is a nice topic for js meetup, imho
# [20:41] <paul_irish> ^^
# [20:41] <tw2113> mine is probably because i do the steroids class declaration
# [20:41] <tw2113> on the <html> instead of body
# [20:41] <paul_irish> likely.
# [20:41] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: such as who? :)
# [20:42] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, gimme a sec
# [20:42] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, http://www.meetup.com/jsmeetup/
# [20:43] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: coooool thank you
# [20:43] <antonkovalyov> i am pretty sure you can even take over that group, if you are willing to keep it going
# [20:43] <antonkovalyov> i was thinking about doing that after we get a new bigger office
# [20:44] <antonkovalyov> then i decided to start with js pub nights and now i kinda like that format more :)
# [20:44] <thatryan> lol
# [20:44] <thatryan> take it over? is it kinda dead?
# [20:44] <antonkovalyov> thatryan, the last meetup was in april
# [20:45] <paul_irish> saddd
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# [20:46] <zachleat> with(beer)
# [20:47] <zachleat> strict mode be damned.
# [20:47] <antonkovalyov> zachleat, judging by the last one it was more like for (;;) { drinkBeer(); }
# [20:48] <zachleat> don't forget to modify your registry, if you want that to run in IE :P
# [20:48] <thatryan> cool just tweeted Ralph for advice :)
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# [20:49] <zachleat> actually, would for(;;) run at all?
# [20:50] <antonkovalyov> it should
# [20:50] <antonkovalyov> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/f3abps32p3d8.png
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# [20:50] <zachleat> erm, yeah Firefox didn't like that.
# [20:50] <antonkovalyov> chrome has no problems with that
# [20:51] <zachleat> time to do some reading :)
# [20:53] <zachleat> Flanagan says the test expression must evaluate to true for the loop to execute
# [20:54] <zachleat> why is ; true
# [20:54] <felcom> maybe its true until proven false?
# [20:55] <antonkovalyov> hm, good question
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# [21:02] <zachleat> I believe the ECMA spec states that it must evaluate to false to prevent execution
# [21:02] <zachleat> http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/files/ECMA-ST/ECMA-262.pdf
# [21:02] <zachleat> 12.6.3
# [21:02] <zachleat> on Page 90
# [21:04] <felcom> innocent until proven guilty
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# [21:06] <antonkovalyov> trying to find relevant code in v8 source
# [21:06] <antonkovalyov> but i fail at this
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# [21:06] <paul_irish> link with more win: http://sideshowbarker.github.com/es5-spec/#x12.6.3
# [21:06] <paul_irish> zachleat: ^
# [21:08] <zachleat> I was just going to whip up a quick chrome extension to allow deep linking in PDF, but I guess that works too paul
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# [21:11] <paul_irish> heh
# [21:11] <paul_irish> ecma really needs to publish that thing in fucking html
# [21:11] <paul_irish> pdf is such a #dickmove
# [21:12] <Brodingo> ur mom makes my #dickmove
# [21:12] <paul_irish> bot-t: tell nimbupani http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2071106
# [21:12] <bot-t> paul_irish, Okay.
# [21:13] <zachleat> pdf is less of a dickmove in Chrome, love that native pdf support
# [21:16] <rektide> i dont, but at least i'm not subject to adobe loading anything, so thats a small win
# [21:17] <rektide> what do ya'll think of Rafe's "save feeds" hew & cry?
# [21:17] <rektide> http://rc3.org/2011/01/03/are-browsers-killing-content-syndication/
# [21:17] <rektide> similar to the pdf question-- we've gotta do something with this content type-- what?
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# [21:19] <danielfilho> msg bot-t help
# [21:20] <danielfilho> hahaha
# [21:20] <danielfilho> luls
# [21:20] <danielfilho> where can I see the bot-t commands?
# [21:20] <danielfilho> ok. just put a slash befor msg. Got it.
# [21:20] <zachleat> rektide: I don't think RSS is going to go away, it drives traffic. Things that drive traffic will stay
# [21:21] <alrra> http://bot-t.com/
# [21:21] <alrra> :P
# [21:21] <antonkovalyov> rektide, i had to deal with different rss/atom feeds a couple of days ago and it is such a mess
# [21:21] <rektide> the question i found interesting from rafe's discussion was
# [21:21] <rektide> what should a browser do with an RSS link?
# [21:21] <paul_irish> http://nodeconf.com/ is a few days after jsconf .. both in portland.. FYI
# [21:21] <rektide> by default
# [21:22] <rektide> which mirrors the question of what should a browser do with PDF
# [21:22] <paul_irish> hey rektide
# [21:22] <rektide> hiya paul_irish
# [21:22] <antonkovalyov> rektide, i like safari's approach
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# [21:22] <rektide> antonkovalyov: i havent clicked safarai's "feed" or "reader" button, what does it do?
# [21:22] <antonkovalyov> bot-t: mdc Array
# [21:22] <bot-t> antonkovalyov, Array - Lets you work with arrays. https://developer.mozilla.org/en/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array
# [21:22] <antonkovalyov> oh that's pretty neat
# [21:23] <zachleat> bot-t mdn Array
# [21:23] <zachleat> :P
# [21:23] <antonkovalyov> rektide, when you open a feed in safari, it just presents it in a nice way http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/ztbvqlafmofq.png
# [21:24] <zachleat> I think Firefox has it right, treat a feed like any other page you can bookmark
# [21:24] <antonkovalyov> although i don't like the fact that there is not easy way to get a feed source
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# [21:25] <rektide> building a feed reader into the browser is very much a "native pdf viewer" idea
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# [21:26] <zachleat> eh, not really, there isn't much after-market work to be done with pdfs
# [21:26] <zachleat> use cases for a feed vary
# [21:26] <rektide> agreed that the rss reader is an application, whereas a pdf viewer has more straightforward use cases
# [21:27] <rektide> what alternatives can you see being built in to the browser?
# [21:27] <rektide> if there isnt a builtin reader, do you just open a save as dialog box? what _could_ the browser do?
# [21:27] <rektide> what kind of extension points would you imagine to let the browser do more, do better?
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# [21:34] <zachleat> hmm, that will take some thinking
# [21:36] <rektide> i interpret as an open problem implicit in rafe's post, and a great issue to mull over. letting the net/web bubble over beyonds & past just the browser is an interesting teaser.
# [21:36] <rektide> i'll be an idling if you have any ideas. will raise any thoughts that come to me. :)
# [21:38] <zachleat> just so i understand, the frame of the question is for laypersons, not for those people already using a feed reader
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# [22:17] <realityking> hey, I have a question about the HTML5 history API
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# [22:17] <realityking> Is it possible to somehow changing the behavior that happens when a user leaves the page?
# [22:18] <paul_irish> like how
# [22:18] <realityking> The problem I'm facing is that a thing can't be edited by multiple persons at the same time, so they're checked out when opened
# [22:18] <realityking> now I'd either need to modify the history so they can't return
# [22:19] <realityking> or get an event that they're leaving the page so I can check it back in
# [22:19] <realityking> I tried modifying the history on an unload event but that acutally modifies the url of the new page
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# [22:20] <realityking> and onpopstate only works when navigating back, which is helpful but not all that great
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# [22:22] <zachleat> why not check to see if someone is editing onload, you can make an sync ajax request when someone leaves the page to toggle off
# [22:28] <realityking> well checking onload isn't required, that is done severside
# [22:28] <realityking> but you mean onunload sending an request to check things back in? that could work
# [22:30] <realityking> only bad thing is that unload also fires when the page is refreshed, which is at least unneccesary
# [22:30] <realityking> oh actually that doesn't help in another case
# [22:30] <realityking> 1. user edits
# [22:31] <realityking> 2. user saves or cancels (so server checks back in)
# [22:31] <realityking> 3. user navigates back to the form
# [22:31] <realityking> most times then just the cached resource is loaded, so the server never knows
# [22:33] <rektide> cached resources still execute their scripts
# [22:33] <rektide> client side scripts
# [22:33] <realityking> that's why you suggested to fire an ajax request onload?
# [22:34] <rektide> i havent suggested anything mr
# [22:34] <realityking> ah sorry
# [22:34] <zachleat> or just don't cache the page
# [22:35] <zachleat> you can still serve the page's resources cached, just make sure the client doesn't cache the initial server request
# [22:36] <realityking> that may be the easiest solution, I'll play with that
# [22:36] <realityking> thanks
# [22:36] <zachleat> yeah, I'd try to avoid the ajax request onload
# [22:37] <zachleat> It won't be a great experience for your user to have to wait until the ajax request comes back to use the form
# [22:37] <realityking> true
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# [22:38] <paul_irish> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Hsl-and-hsv.svg/1000px-Hsl-and-hsv.svg.png is hott
# [22:39] <thatryan> anyone know if sencha touch has an irc channel?
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# [22:44] <ben_c> ooo html5 video on starbucks - http://www.starbucks.com/preview
# [22:44] <antonkovalyov> looks like flash to me
# [22:44] <antonkovalyov> at least flashblock blocked it
# [22:45] <ben_c> well ..it's falling back to html5 if you don't have flash
# [22:45] <ben_c> I wish people would fallback to flash instead..
# [22:45] <antonkovalyov> oh, let me try in safari
# [22:45] <realityking> they use RDFa?
# [22:45] <antonkovalyov> i don't have flash there
# [22:46] <Michael> paul_irish, Where's my CF beta?
# [22:46] <paul_irish> on its way bro
# [22:46] <Michael> And hello!
# [22:46] <Michael> sweet
# [22:46] <paul_irish> sup slut
# [22:46] * Michael is a pimp
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# [22:47] <tw2113> michael's do tend to be, yes
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# [22:47] <Michael> That's pimptacular!
# [22:47] <nimbupani> you havent commented yet here paul_irish http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2071106
# [22:48] <paul_irish> nimbupani: no i havent
# [22:48] <paul_irish> nickseargant likes to be a thorn in my side
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# [22:49] <nimbupani> he loves you so much.
# [22:50] <paul_irish> nimbupani: commetned
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# [23:04] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, are there any numbers for chrome frame installs? just curious how many people have it installed.
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# [23:08] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: pretty sure i dont have anything public to say on that
# [23:09] <paul_irish> unfortch :(
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# [23:12] <antonkovalyov> :-( okay
# [23:16] <zachleat> I want to know when non-admin Chrome Frame is going to be available to the general populace
# [23:16] <paul_irish> zachleat, anton: the CF team is looking for people to betatest that one
# [23:17] <paul_irish> if you're interesting
# [23:17] <paul_irish> s/ing/ed
# [23:17] <paul_irish> reallly really small private beta
# [23:17] <antonkovalyov> i am interested
# [23:17] <zachleat> 2 users? :)
# [23:17] <paul_irish> as many as i can deliver. Four if i got you guys :D
# [23:18] <paul_irish> are you guys both yr nick @gmail ?
# [23:18] <zachleat> zachleatherman@
# [23:19] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: ?
# [23:19] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, do you necessarily need @gmail? antonkovalyov@gmail works but i prefer anton@kovalyov.net. it is gmail as well, if that matters :)
# [23:19] <paul_irish> okokok
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# [23:23] <felcom> anyone here use a mechanical keyboard?
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# [23:26] <zachleat> Ah, another Jeff Atwood fan I see :P
# [23:26] <felcom> lol! yes, also a starcraft fan
# [23:27] <nimbupani> omg paul_irish someone downvoted your comment :/
# [23:27] <nimbupani> coz I upvoted it
# [23:27] <felcom> I figure Atwood AND Korea are probably on to something
# [23:28] <paul_irish> DOWNVOTES OMG
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# [23:28] <paul_irish> nimbupani: meanwhile this comment of mine keeps going up http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2071618
# [23:28] <paul_irish> (err... way at the bottom)
# [23:29] <nimbupani> okay upvoted!
# [23:29] <paul_irish> lol
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# [23:50] <alrra> paul_irish, nimbupani: just curious , why isn`t "ServerTokens Prod" (or didn`t make it) in the html5boilerplate's Apache configuration file?
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# [23:54] <paul_irish> The second line “ServerTokens Prod” configures Apache to return only Apache as product in the server response header on very page request, suppressing OS, major and minor version info.
# [23:54] <paul_irish> sounds good to me
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# [23:56] <paul_irish> alrra: https://github.com/paulirish/html5-boilerplate/commit/4ab1c3d
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# [23:59] <alrra> paul_irish: it`s not only the apache version: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/current/mod/core.html
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