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  3. # [00:00] <antonkovalyov> hey, is there a way to get normal innerHTML for html5 tag (like <details>) in IE? right now it seems like innerHTML returns "" because IE transforms <details>sometext</details> into <details/>
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  47. # [01:15] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: are you using the html5shiv?
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  52. # [01:23] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, nope
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  54. # [01:25] <antonkovalyov> i need to read its code first
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  56. # [01:25] <antonkovalyov> can't put anything to the embed :(
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  60. # [01:34] <felcom> so say i have a sidebar full of various blog modules, in html5 i can't use aside for a sidebar so would I just use a traditional <div> and just worry about the semantics of the individual modules?
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  63. # [01:38] <felcom> "The <section> tag defines sections in a document. Such as chapters, headers, footers, or any other sections of the document." what the heck kind of definition is that?
  64. # [01:38] <felcom> pretty sure they used sections to define sections
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  66. # [01:46] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: basically you need to do document.createElement('details') before a details tag is ever seen by the IE engine
  67. # [01:46] <paul_irish> if you want said details tag to have a legit innerHTML
  68. # [01:48] <antonkovalyov> oh i see. thanks, paul_irish
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  82. # [02:01] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, (if you're curious) github meetup is next thursday so i am going to move js pub night one week
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  91. # [02:08] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: ah aiight
  92. # [02:08] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: is there a page for the github meetup or just on twitter
  93. # [02:08] <paul_irish> i gotta talk to themmmmmm,
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  95. # [02:08] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, they don't have any page and they announce like a day before. :) but since their office is upstairs i just went there
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  97. # [02:09] <paul_irish> smooth
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  99. # [02:11] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, do you receive my emails from meetup? the site is so confusing
  100. # [02:11] <antonkovalyov> meetup.com*
  101. # [02:14] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: i filter them all to RSS so.... maybe?
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  103. # [02:15] <antonkovalyov> i see :)
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  108. # [02:23] <paul_irish> btw'z http://developers.whatwg.org/
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  110. # [02:24] <kurrent> paul_irish: I love the 'your browser doesnt support canvas' link on mothereffinghsl
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  112. # [02:25] <paul_irish> kurrent: hahah
  113. # [02:25] <paul_irish> good old eabod
  114. # [02:25] <kurrent> the mspaint image is gone though from the link :)
  115. # [02:25] <kurrent> :) rather
  116. # [02:25] <kurrent> :(
  117. # [02:25] <uokesita> what irc client can i ue on mac?
  118. # [02:26] <paul_irish> OMG its gone
  119. # [02:26] <antonkovalyov> haha
  120. # [02:26] <antonkovalyov> i had to load my vm
  121. # [02:26] <paul_irish> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
  122. # [02:26] <uokesita> :(
  123. # [02:26] <antonkovalyov> to check that link with ie
  124. # [02:27] * paul_irish updates it to http://noyoueatabagofdicks.com/
  125. # [02:27] <kurrent> lol
  126. # [02:27] <antonkovalyov> oh god
  127. # [02:27] <antonkovalyov> :)
  128. # [02:27] <kurrent> one eabod domain isn't enough
  129. # [02:27] <kurrent> thank god we have more
  130. # [02:28] <paul_irish> i think ill register another
  131. # [02:28] <paul_irish> just to be safe
  132. # [02:28] <zachleat> I want to know how many domains paul_irish owns
  133. # [02:29] <paul_irish> not a lot! maybe <15
  134. # [02:29] <kurrent> goeatabagofdicks.com
  135. # [02:29] <kurrent> ...taken! :(
  136. # [02:29] <kurrent> but of course
  137. # [02:30] <paul_irish> eatabagofdicks-platinumedition.com
  138. # [02:30] <paul_irish> fucking 3D transforms the fuck out of that bag of dicks.
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  140. # [02:32] <paul_irish> davidwalsh wouldnt appreciate my potty mouth.
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  142. # [02:32] <davidwalsh> what the eff did you say paul_irish ?
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  149. # [02:35] <paul_irish> permutations of "eff" but with more oomph!
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  154. # [02:38] <zachleat> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/361291/3ddix.png
  155. # [02:38] <zachleat> asciiiiiiii
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  157. # [02:40] <NiftyLettuce> how do I escape the ::selection tag in SASS? ie: : { &:-moz-selection gives me an error since its thinking its a mixin
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  162. # [02:46] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: you have any idea on how to escape a mixin in sass? like -moz-selection has a :: before, I tried using backslash to no avail
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  165. # [02:53] <paul_irish> i dont use sass really
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  167. # [02:53] <paul_irish> i just like it.
  168. # [02:53] <paul_irish> zachleat: hahahah omg dude
  169. # [02:54] <paul_irish> so awesomeeee
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  171. # [02:54] <paul_irish> is that actual cappucino?
  172. # [02:54] <zachleat> Put that on a unicode snowman and you have a site that MAKES CASH MONEY
  173. # [02:54] <zachleat> naw, aristo jquery ui
  174. # [02:54] <paul_irish> hot shit
  175. # [02:54] <zachleat> yeah that theme is badass
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  177. # [02:56] <paul_irish> alrra: thx for all the input speech detail.. i'm using it right now
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  183. # [03:02] <Noxxy> not really html5, but is there any way to make the rendering on @font-face look any... nicer?
  184. # [03:02] <zachleat> what os/browser?
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  186. # [03:02] <Noxxy> windows, chrome
  187. # [03:03] <zachleat> Yeah, I've noticed that too. Have you tried playing around with your cleartype settings?
  188. # [03:03] <Noxxy> eh, i'm avoiding it. i wouldn't be able to tell every person visiting the website to adjust their settings too lol
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  190. # [03:04] <zachleat> Yeah, other than that I don't know, sorry.
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  192. # [03:05] <Noxxy> thanks anyway =p. I'll probably just fall back to an image anyway, more controled and nicer looking.
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  196. # [03:24] <paul_irish> Noxxy: where are the fonts from
  197. # [03:24] <paul_irish> google/typekit/fontsquirrel/etc
  198. # [03:24] <Noxxy> font squirrel
  199. # [03:25] <paul_irish> you can try a text-shadow: 0 0 1px hsla(0,0%,30%,0.4);
  200. # [03:25] <paul_irish> or os
  201. # [03:25] <Noxxy> Hm, very good idea.
  202. # [03:27] <Noxxy> works too :)
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  205. # [03:33] <paul_irish> boooom
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  241. # [04:46] <paul_irish> nimbupani: we had that plan to release a 1.0 'n all huh
  242. # [04:47] <paul_irish> i'm AFK all this weekend
  243. # [04:47] <paul_irish> lady's birthday weekend in sonoma
  244. # [04:47] <nimbupani> :/ :/
  245. # [04:47] <paul_irish> you can rls without me!
  246. # [04:47] <paul_irish> :D :D
  247. # [04:47] <nimbupani> if only.
  248. # [04:47] <paul_irish> there's that massive build script patch i need to land
  249. # [04:47] <nimbupani> exactly
  250. # [04:47] <paul_irish> after i figure out wtf it does
  251. # [04:48] <nimbupani> i am gonna work on the website tonite
  252. # [04:48] <paul_irish> nimbupani: can you see if theres anything else in css land we should drop
  253. # [04:48] <nimbupani> yeah i will
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  255. # [04:51] <grantg> paul_irish: Having issues with the canvas 2d api again, ugh...
  256. # [04:52] <grantg> I'm trying to do framebuffer drawing in the js GBA emulator, but seems all the browsers are slow on things like compositing the sub-framebuffers to the master framebuffer.
  257. # [04:52] <grantg> Especially when some things are rotated and scaled in the sub-layering.
  258. # [04:52] <paul_irish> hey grantg
  259. # [04:53] <grantg> hey. :P
  260. # [04:53] <paul_irish> hmm
  261. # [04:53] <paul_irish> you're certainly more expert than I when it comes to canvas perf.. sad to inform you..
  262. # [04:54] <grantg> paul_irish: I'm at phase 2 of the GBA emulator, meaning the ARM7TDMI CPU emulation is workable, but graphics is WIP.
  263. # [04:54] <grantg> :(
  264. # [04:55] <grantg> paul_irish: Anyhow, I didn't have these issues for the GBC emulator because there was no hardware scaling and rotating and hardware framebuffers
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  266. # [04:55] <grantg> just BG and OBJ tiles.
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  268. # [04:56] <grantg> paul_irish: Anyways, the current path for gfx in the GBA is a little complicated unfortunately.
  269. # [04:56] <grantg> Involves software pre-rendering matched with canvas 2d api rendering.
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  271. # [04:56] <grantg> D:
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  273. # [04:57] <grantg> Any word on the audio api in webkit?
  274. # [04:57] <paul_irish> yowch
  275. # [04:58] <grantg> And meanwhile attaining 15 MIPS approx.
  276. # [04:58] <grantg> in the GBA emulator
  277. # [05:00] <grantg> paul_irish: Unfortunately webkit (Especially chrome) has a problem with the .data property being accessed for raw pixel output.
  278. # [05:00] <grantg> webkit / chrome tend to be super-slow on this.
  279. # [05:01] <paul_irish> grantg: dunno where it is. come back earlier in the day and ask Peter`
  280. # [05:01] <grantg> So it trashes my canvas-2d compositing system that takes the pre-rendered data and layers/rotates/scales the images appropriately
  281. # [05:01] <grantg> ok
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  283. # [05:01] <paul_irish> grantg: you cache the .data imagedata variable so you dont access it through foo.data everytime right?
  284. # [05:01] <grantg> yes
  285. # [05:01] <grantg> still slow there
  286. # [05:02] <paul_irish> for speeed
  287. # [05:02] <grantg> I even have frame skipping
  288. # [05:03] <grantg> I wish I could have a DMA function in javascript to do this for me.
  289. # [05:03] <grantg> instead of looping myself
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  292. # [05:04] <grantg> Unfortunately it has to be chewed from a signed 32-bit imaging to 8-bit unsigned manually
  293. # [05:05] <grantg> ARGB=>R,G,B,0xFF
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  295. # [05:06] <grantg> (alpha data loss is on purpose here)
  296. # [05:06] <grantg> at least for the GBC emu, but not the GBA emu.
  297. # [05:06] <paul_irish> are the new Typed arrays of any use to you?
  298. # [05:07] <paul_irish> i guess i heard they're slower. :(
  299. # [05:07] <paul_irish> though if they were why would webgl use em
  300. # [05:07] <grantg> paul_irish: I extensively use them
  301. # [05:07] <paul_irish> anyway.. brb in 10. walking home
  302. # [05:07] <paul_irish> HOT
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  304. # [05:07] <grantg> And webkit sucks at it
  305. # [05:07] <grantg> :(
  306. # [05:07] <grantg> Firefox 4 is the opposite, it's on fire with perf.
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  308. # [05:12] * grantg can't wait to emulate a Pentium 1 system in javascript.
  309. # [05:13] <grantg> Couldn't do it without HTML5 you guys.
  310. # [05:14] <grantg> (Though audio sample writing from js also needs to improve badly)
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  314. # [05:19] <grantg> paul_irish: I have a setting to disable typed arrays in my projects, because webkit doesn't JIT it or JIT it well.
  315. # [05:19] * jeffszusz is filled with RAEGE
  316. # [05:19] <paul_irish> o rly
  317. # [05:19] <paul_irish> grantg: you should file a ticket on v8's tracker for that
  318. # [05:20] <grantg> jeffszusz: RAEAEAEAEGGGE?
  319. # [05:20] <jeffszusz> so much
  320. # [05:20] <grantg> paul_irish: I think there is a report on it already
  321. # [05:20] <jeffszusz> print designers make me feel so dirty
  322. # [05:20] <paul_irish> o
  323. # [05:20] <paul_irish> jeffszusz: why are u so angri
  324. # [05:21] <jeffszusz> ugh
  325. # [05:21] * grantg thinks about the birds that fell from the sky in the midwest and thinks of Angry Birds the game. :/
  326. # [05:21] <jeffszusz> i have this client
  327. # [05:22] <jeffszusz> does all his own artwork, which is fine because i can't draw a circle that doesn't look sickly
  328. # [05:22] <jeffszusz> but he does website layouts as if they were posters
  329. # [05:22] <jeffszusz> everything has to be pixel perfect, with 10pt fonts and absolute positioning
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  331. # [05:23] <jeffszusz> but then he gets miffed when it doesn't look right on a smaller monitor or an iphone
  332. # [05:23] <jeffszusz> lol
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  334. # [05:23] <jeffszusz> and i have two horrifying words for you: Custom Scrollbars.
  335. # [05:25] <nimbupani> use webkits
  336. # [05:26] * grantg is disappointed the background to the W3C working draft is just a plain image and not some cool HTML5 rotated text background. :/
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  344. # [05:41] <grantg> The inset bug was fixed?
  345. # [05:41] <grantg> yay
  346. # [05:43] <grantg> paul_irish: now if only opera can fix its broken box-shadow effect.
  347. # [05:44] <grantg> (moving elements with the effect or altering box-shadow's visibility can cause serious rendering artifacts in Opera 10.50 alpha all the way up to the recent builds)
  348. # [05:44] <nimbupani> wats broak?
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  350. # [05:44] <nimbupani> oh
  351. # [05:44] <grantg> :/
  352. # [05:44] <nimbupani> :/
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  355. # [05:56] <grantg> paul_irish: Oh, I need to upload my drag and drop code to the GBC emu.
  356. # [05:56] <grantg> almost forgot. :/
  357. # [05:56] <grantg> So you can just drop your roms in to load a new game in.
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  359. # [05:57] <grantg> Though the File API method is pretty easy to
  360. # [05:57] <grantg> *too
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  365. # [06:13] <antonkovalyov> haha so true http://xkcd.com/844/
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  375. # [06:40] <craigbarnes> Anyone seen this yet?
  376. # [06:40] <craigbarnes> http://markdotto.com/playground/3d-text/
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  389. # [06:55] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: yt?
  390. # [06:56] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: how can I use ::-moz-selection and ::selection in SASS? B/c by default : is a declaration for a mixin
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  392. # [07:00] <NiftyLettuce> it would help if I read the line "These selection declarations have to be kept separate"
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  410. # [08:05] <tw2113> ffs it's cgcardona
  411. # [08:05] <cgcardona> you can't get rid of me
  412. # [08:06] <tw2113> who'd want to?
  413. # [08:06] <cgcardona> I don't die I multiply
  414. # [08:06] <tw2113> if we got rid of you, i'd be the only willing punching bag
  415. # [08:06] <cgcardona> :)
  416. # [08:06] <cgcardona> true
  417. # [08:06] <cgcardona> i just had the most surreal experience
  418. # [08:07] <tw2113> you were john wayne but pregnant?
  419. # [08:07] <cgcardona> my friend just gave a talk on iOS forensics and after the talk an FBI agent came up and tried to recruit him
  420. # [08:07] <tw2113> jim, he's an apple occultist
  421. # [08:08] <cgcardona> my friend has a criminal conviction from when he was a kid and he told the FBI agent "i don't think I can get the clearance. I was a really bad kid" and the fbi agent said "we can forgive just about anything"
  422. # [08:08] <cgcardona> classic
  423. # [08:08] <tw2113> they must have wanted him bad
  424. # [08:08] <cgcardona> technical skill > dumbass child mistakes
  425. # [08:09] <tw2113> it's why hackers seem to get a lot of government jobs
  426. # [08:09] <cgcardona> he wrote a piece of software that shows that even if you delete your iOS sms messages they are still on the phone
  427. # [08:09] <tw2113> and any large company would be wise to hire a small handful if they build software
  428. # [08:09] <cgcardona> the govt. gave him an iphone that had 41 text messages - he used his software and carved out over 800 messages that were still on the phone
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  430. # [08:09] <cgcardona> enough extra evidence to convict a guy
  431. # [08:10] <tw2113> makes you wonder what exactly apple has in mind for the stuff
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  433. # [08:10] <cgcardona> my thoughts exactly
  434. # [08:10] <cgcardona> cause it's not like they don't know the stuff is still there
  435. # [08:10] <cgcardona> :-/
  436. # [08:11] <antonkovalyov> wtf
  437. # [08:11] <antonkovalyov> is there a way to securely delete them?
  438. # [08:12] <tw2113> i wonder if android does the same
  439. # [08:12] <cgcardona> i don't know the technical details enough to know exactly how and where they are stored so I don't know for sure antonkovalyov
  440. # [08:12] <cgcardona> i will ask him tomorrow
  441. # [08:13] <antonkovalyov> it could be some optimisation technique
  442. # [08:13] <cgcardona> another crazy thing he showed is that each time your phone connects to a new tower or wifi spot it stores the long lat and timestamp in a db - so he was able to show thousands of connections going back on his phone the whole time he has owned it. He is writing a perl script that will scrape that db and lay it out on a map over time
  443. # [08:14] <cgcardona> so you can see every single tower the phone has connected to over the course of it's life
  444. # [08:14] <cgcardona> tw2113: good question
  445. # [08:15] <antonkovalyov> cgcardona, wow, so you can actually determine person's route post-factum
  446. # [08:15] <cgcardona> yep
  447. # [08:15] <antonkovalyov> that's creepy
  448. # [08:15] <cgcardona> no doubt
  449. # [08:16] <tw2113> ya know what i haven't bothered with much since probably about christmas week?
  450. # [08:16] <tw2113> beer
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  452. # [08:16] <cgcardona> really? why is that?
  453. # [08:17] <antonkovalyov> somebody should make something like ParanoidAndroid
  454. # [08:17] <tw2113> i think the holidays and just end of the month finances
  455. # [08:17] <tw2113> but new year = new raise too, so i have a bit more wiggle room. On top of that, i'm tracking expenses for a month to see what goes where
  456. # [08:18] <tw2113> so very frugal minded
  457. # [08:19] <tw2113> but i'm kind of anxious for some, and tomorrow is friday :)
  458. # [08:21] <tw2113> oh hey, antonkovalyov has me on twitter now
  459. # [08:21] <antonkovalyov> it was fairly easy to find your twitter account
  460. # [08:21] <antonkovalyov> :)
  461. # [08:21] <tw2113> i get that a lot
  462. # [08:21] <tw2113> i've had this name for a decade too, so if you see it as a user ID, chances are it's me
  463. # [08:22] <antonkovalyov> what do the numbers stand for?
  464. # [08:23] <tw2113> oh hey, disqus...i've used their comment system a few times
  465. # [08:23] <tw2113> tw = timberwolves, from the NBA
  466. # [08:23] <tw2113> 21 = Garnett's # when he was with them
  467. # [08:23] <tw2113> 13 = just the number
  468. # [08:23] <cgcardona> wow
  469. # [08:23] <cgcardona> the mystery has vanished
  470. # [08:24] <antonkovalyov> nice :)
  471. # [08:24] <tw2113> sorry about that cgcardona
  472. # [08:24] <tw2113> i should have told him in PM so you would still be curious
  473. # [08:25] <tw2113> i wonder if we could get bruce lawson in here sometime
  474. # [08:25] <tw2113> we already get paul, chris, and remy sometimes
  475. # [08:25] <cgcardona> bruce wayne would be cool too
  476. # [08:26] <tw2113> nah, @god_damn_batman maybe
  477. # [08:27] <tw2113> for instance "Resolution. This year I'm finally going to lose that last .3% body fat."
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  479. # [08:28] <antonkovalyov> "Jeff Bridges in True Grit is just like me. If I had an eyepatch, carried a six-shooter, grew a beard. And was a pussy."
  480. # [08:28] <cgcardona> nice
  481. # [08:29] <tw2113> and i still love @html5douche + @css3hoochie although she has only 1 tweet
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  483. # [08:30] <tw2113> "TODAY I'M GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE YOACHES WHO THINK HTML5 ISN'T READY. GO AHEAD AND OBSOLETE YOURSELVES, IT WILL OPEN UP JOBS"
  484. # [08:32] <tw2113> anyways, i'm going to go to bed before 2am tonight, guaranteed
  485. # [08:32] <tw2113> night you two
  486. # [08:32] <cgcardona> night tw2113
  487. # [08:32] <antonkovalyov> night
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  489. # [08:38] <alcuadrado> how I missed this? http://www.nevermindthebullets.com/ :s
  490. # [08:38] <alcuadrado> although the ie9 advice sucks
  491. # [08:39] <craigbarnes> I'm might get shot for asking this
  492. # [08:39] <craigbarnes> but does anyone know of a decent static site generator written in PHP?
  493. # [08:40] <antonkovalyov> uh
  494. # [08:40] <alcuadrado> what do you mean by static site generator in php?
  495. # [08:40] <antonkovalyov> alcuadrado, i assume something like jekyll
  496. # [08:40] <craigbarnes> Something like Jekyll, Hyde, Middleman etc.
  497. # [08:41] <alcuadrado> yeah, I see
  498. # [08:41] <alcuadrado> but, why php? 0.o
  499. # [08:41] <paul_irish> O.o
  500. # [08:41] <alcuadrado> I mean, you have no server restriction, they are just static files
  501. # [08:41] <craigbarnes> Just doing a little research
  502. # [08:42] <craigbarnes> I don't like PHP much myself but it does seem like a pretty well suited language for that purpose
  503. # [08:42] <alcuadrado> get twig and markdown and that's it =)
  504. # [08:42] <alcuadrado> it'll take you less than an hour
  505. # [08:43] <craigbarnes> I've already used Hyde but it's a bit convoluted
  506. # [08:43] <alcuadrado> maybe there's smth done, i dunno
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  508. # [08:44] <alcuadrado> give yourself a chance ;) with a template engine like twig and any markdown implematation it'll be a piece of cake
  509. # [08:46] <craigbarnes> Yeah I'll have a go at it if no one else has already
  510. # [08:46] <craigbarnes> Am I the only one who think PHP is a perfect language for that use case?
  511. # [08:46] <craigbarnes> am I just crazy?
  512. # [08:46] <alcuadrado> I like php
  513. # [08:47] <alcuadrado> it's a nice piece of shit, which tends to work great
  514. # [08:47] <craigbarnes> haha awesome summary
  515. # [08:48] <alcuadrado> but coding in js is far more enjoyable
  516. # [08:49] <craigbarnes> True but I'm not sure it's very well suited for this :)
  517. # [08:49] <alcuadrado> sure it is
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  519. # [08:53] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, i really don't like how people are starting to think that html5 was created by apple
  520. # [08:54] <antonkovalyov> google should have something like google.com/html5
  521. # [08:54] <paul_irish> reallllly
  522. # [08:54] <paul_irish> people think that???
  523. # [08:54] <craigbarnes> antonkovalyov: who thinks that?
  524. # [08:54] <paul_irish> assholes!
  525. # [08:55] <antonkovalyov> not developers, just curious "pro-users" or how are they called nowadays
  526. # [08:55] <paul_irish> APPLE FANBOYS you mean
  527. # [08:55] <paul_irish> i'm jk. :(
  528. # [08:55] <paul_irish> that sucks
  529. # [08:55] <antonkovalyov> that's good apple pr :)
  530. # [08:55] <paul_irish> well whatever.
  531. # [08:55] <craigbarnes> I've seen Apple fanboys claiming all kinds of things
  532. # [08:55] <paul_irish> apple can like... promote html5 all they want. i honestly have no problem with that
  533. # [08:56] <paul_irish> google owns it more than they do but i dont think thats terribly important for people to know
  534. # [08:56] <craigbarnes> what a few ignorant people believe can't have much of an impact on html5 anyway
  535. # [08:56] <craigbarnes> it only really matters to developers anyway
  536. # [08:56] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: how do you feel about an HTML5 Boilerplate Lite
  537. # [08:56] <paul_irish> HTML5 Liteplate!
  538. # [08:56] <craigbarnes> buzzword!
  539. # [08:57] <craigbarnes> lol I'm not sure - what would it be?
  540. # [08:57] <paul_irish> i have no idea what it would be.
  541. # [08:57] <paul_irish> but it'd basically satify an audience of scaredy cats
  542. # [08:57] <craigbarnes> pretty soon there's going to be 100 other boilerplates I think
  543. # [08:57] <craigbarnes> trying to dilute your fame
  544. # [08:57] <paul_irish> people who go OMG hitting Backspace is TERRIBLLY too much work and i'm scared by htaccess and shit
  545. # [08:58] <paul_irish> sooooo
  546. # [08:58] <paul_irish> iunno. i think its an education problem more than a product problem
  547. # [08:58] <craigbarnes> I always liked the idea of packaging it up on the site as different editions
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  549. # [08:58] <alcuadrado> haha, what a good channel, I must enter more frequently
  550. # [08:58] <paul_irish> people think its too much because they dont understand it all.
  551. # [08:58] <craigbarnes> and keeping the repo developer friendly
  552. # [08:59] <craigbarnes> you could have an "utter moron" edition with just the basics
  553. # [08:59] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: yeah for instance we definitely should(n't) of shipped /demo in the user release
  554. # [08:59] <alrra> paul_irish: htaccess helped me the most for some school projects hehe :P
  555. # [08:59] <paul_irish> perhaps
  556. # [08:59] <paul_irish> alrra: s'what i like to hera
  557. # [08:59] <paul_irish> the htaccess is beautiful.
  558. # [08:59] <alrra> yeap :) much great stuff there
  559. # [08:59] <alrra> :D
  560. # [08:59] <paul_irish> the build script too.. but that's even more of a magic black box than htaccess
  561. # [09:00] <paul_irish> gotta dismystify it so people are like OMG I GET IT NOW. god this is what i wanted!!!
  562. # [09:00] <paul_irish> bcuz it is.
  563. # [09:00] <paul_irish> fuckers.
  564. # [09:00] <paul_irish> :D
  565. # [09:00] <alcuadrado> I think the htacess is one of the best parts of the boilerplate, as not so many people talk about that bits as for example the css reset
  566. # [09:00] <craigbarnes> I think it'd be awesome to just use the build script to package up the releases on the website
  567. # [09:00] <paul_irish> css resets are boring but you can fuck it up
  568. # [09:01] <paul_irish> i enjoyed calling out eric meyer the other day who fucked up his latest revision
  569. # [09:01] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: how so
  570. # [09:01] <craigbarnes> it could take all the work out of building different version (stripped, mobile, full, noob etc.)
  571. # [09:01] <alcuadrado> about the build script, the last time I checked it, it used version numbers like 1, 2, 3... why not just use the MTIME?
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  573. # [09:01] <craigbarnes> just have a build target for each "edition"
  574. # [09:01] <paul_irish> oic
  575. # [09:01] <craigbarnes> stripped would be minified
  576. # [09:02] <craigbarnes> full would be the full repo
  577. # [09:02] <craigbarnes> noob could be a watered down version
  578. # [09:02] <paul_irish> alcuadrado: because integers take up less bytes than MTIME ?
  579. # [09:02] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: it's possible.
  580. # [09:02] <paul_irish> i like calling it "noob" .. that's a good idea
  581. # [09:02] <craigbarnes> you could then make the repo developer friendly
  582. # [09:03] <craigbarnes> you could even bring the configs back and have an nginx build
  583. # [09:03] <paul_irish> heh
  584. # [09:03] <craigbarnes> just ideas
  585. # [09:03] <paul_irish> aye
  586. # [09:03] <alcuadrado> paul_irish, just after writing that I get into the answer by myself :(
  587. # [09:03] <paul_irish> <3
  588. # [09:03] <craigbarnes> I think people who clone the github repo and then make a mess of there server fully deserve it :)
  589. # [09:03] <alrra> paul_irish: for me for me personally - i realy like projects that have a lot of information for which i can learn and then i can select what i want
  590. # [09:03] <craigbarnes> their*
  591. # [09:04] <paul_irish> I KNOW RITE
  592. # [09:04] <paul_irish> haters dont appreciate education
  593. # [09:04] <alrra> yea :))
  594. # [09:04] <paul_irish> i'm still very convinced that this project has done a better job of education of best practices than any number of nettuts/smashingmag/ajaxian/ALA blog posts would ever do
  595. # [09:04] <paul_irish> sluts.
  596. # [09:05] <craigbarnes> but remember, HTML5 isn't ready yet
  597. # [09:05] <paul_irish> ?wa time singapore
  598. # [09:05] <bot-t> paul_irish, 4:02:13 pm SGT : Friday, January 7, 2011
  599. # [09:05] <craigbarnes> there's no need to educated people just yet
  600. # [09:05] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: good call.
  601. # [09:06] <craigbarnes> we've got until 2022
  602. # [09:06] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: i'm really excited about yepnope integration with modernizr and like.. polyfill pandemonium
  603. # [09:06] <alcuadrado> I think your video explanation about the boilerplate teaches more than just reading the boilerplate by myself
  604. # [09:07] <paul_irish> im gonna do two more videos
  605. # [09:07] <craigbarnes> paul_irish: Has that happened already?
  606. # [09:07] <paul_irish> might end up redo'ing that first one
  607. # [09:07] <paul_irish> craigbarnes: noooooo but its close to happening
  608. # [09:07] <craigbarnes> are you recruiting Slex to the Modernizr team?
  609. # [09:11] <paul_irish> he's actually on it, officially now
  610. # [09:11] <craigbarnes> paul_irish: what do you think of head.js?
  611. # [09:11] <paul_irish> SUCKS
  612. # [09:11] <craigbarnes> yeah I thought so too
  613. # [09:11] <paul_irish> i think head.js is up to like.. 70 issues reported on github so far?
  614. # [09:11] <craigbarnes> people are on Google Ajax API tracker begging them to add it
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  616. # [09:11] <paul_irish> it TOTALLY flubs all its feature detection in opera.
  617. # [09:12] <paul_irish> the concept itself is actually totally fine
  618. # [09:12] <paul_irish> but he decided to redevelop a bunch of shit that other people had done
  619. # [09:12] <paul_irish> and as a result.. it's a bigass pile of bugs.
  620. # [09:13] <craigbarnes> Yeah it's kind of a hash-up of stolen code
  621. # [09:13] <paul_irish> it's a bummer. i like the guy. jQuery Tools is pretty sweet. but he shoulda used some existing projects and codified them into head.js
  622. # [09:13] <craigbarnes> I havent seen any credits anywhere
  623. # [09:13] <paul_irish> but anwyay. it's a good kick in the ass to us.. who are more or less competing with it
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  625. # [09:13] <paul_irish> (true!)
  626. # [09:13] <craigbarnes> Modernizr is MIT isn't it?
  627. # [09:14] <paul_irish> MIT/BSD dual..... for .. some odd reaso
  628. # [09:14] <paul_irish> n
  629. # [09:14] <craigbarnes> Just copying jQuery :)
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  631. # [09:14] <paul_irish> jquery is mit/gpl
  632. # [09:14] <paul_irish> i could convince faruk to go public domain with it pretty easily i bet.
  633. # [09:14] <paul_irish> <3 public domain/cc0
  634. # [09:15] <craigbarnes> I don't dig cc0
  635. # [09:15] <craigbarnes> what's wrong with attribution?
  636. # [09:16] <craigbarnes> something to do with copyright assignment I guess
  637. # [09:16] <craigbarnes> @ paul_irish
  638. # [09:16] <paul_irish> ummmmm well.
  639. # [09:16] <paul_irish> nothing's wrong with attribution
  640. # [09:17] <paul_irish> until you decide that it'd make extra work for your downstream citizens to do the attribution
  641. # [09:17] <paul_irish> and decide you dont give a shit about attribution
  642. # [09:17] <paul_irish> which is about where i'm at now
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  644. # [09:18] <craigbarnes> MIT attribution is pretty lenient though isn't it?
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  646. # [09:19] <craigbarnes> you just have to include it in the source code
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  649. # [09:20] <craigbarnes> if it's open source of course
  650. # [09:20] <paul_irish> mmhmm
  651. # [09:21] <craigbarnes> why javascript inherently is anyway
  652. # [09:21] <craigbarnes> which*
  653. # [09:21] <paul_irish> indeed.
  654. # [09:21] <paul_irish> <3 javascript
  655. # [09:21] <paul_irish> closed source javascript is hilarious.
  656. # [09:21] <craigbarnes> lol
  657. # [09:21] <alrra> lol
  658. # [09:22] <craigbarnes> I'm sure someone in the world right now is working on an awesome JS obfuscator
  659. # [09:22] <craigbarnes> called JavaCrypt
  660. # [09:22] <paul_irish> WHOA
  661. # [09:22] <paul_irish> ?g javacrypt OR javascrypt
  662. # [09:22] <bot-t> paul_irish, JavaScrypt: Browser-Based Cryptography Tools - http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/
  663. # [09:22] <craigbarnes> I just coined that term right here
  664. # [09:23] <henrikkok> lol
  665. # [09:23] <paul_irish> craigbarnes++
  666. # [09:23] <paul_irish> See! public domain this page too
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  668. # [09:24] <craigbarnes> Actually I prefer Javascrypt®
  669. # [09:25] <craigbarnes> My product, hands off
  670. # [09:25] <craigbarnes> I have the chat logs to prove it
  671. # [09:26] <paul_irish> all you, bro.
  672. # [09:26] <paul_irish> 1-800-OBFUSCATE-YR-SHIT
  673. # [09:26] <paul_irish> 1-800-OBFUSCATE-YR-SHIT-WIT-JAVASCRYPT
  674. # [09:26] <craigbarnes> ®
  675. # [09:28] <ron_frown> I dont know where better to ask... so anyone done much with websockets or comet? I am trying to gauge realistically how well I'll be able to integrate with it in my app
  676. # [09:29] <ron_frown> so it'd almost have to be a .net app
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  678. # [09:30] <craigbarnes> ron_frown: here is probably a good place to ask but I have no idea myself
  679. # [09:30] <paul_irish> i'm aware of no .net comet/websockets solutions myself
  680. # [09:30] <paul_irish> ?g socket.io ".net"
  681. # [09:30] <bot-t> paul_irish, Socket Class (System.Net.Sockets) - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.net.sockets.socket.aspx
  682. # [09:30] <paul_irish> nope.
  683. # [09:32] <ron_frown> there are a few options
  684. # [09:32] <ron_frown> hell I'll write one from scratch for .net for everyone, just dont have the time to do it right this sec
  685. # [09:32] <ron_frown> which sucks becaus ethat means node.js for nwo
  686. # [09:33] <alcuadrado> do you need bidirectional comunication ron_frown ?
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  688. # [09:44] <ron_frown> uhh no not really
  689. # [09:45] <ACTRAiSER> morning guys
  690. # [09:45] <ron_frown> just to be able to have someone post something to a url, the backend says let person id blah know about it
  691. # [09:45] <ron_frown> if they are subscribed
  692. # [09:45] <ron_frown> but would prefer to be more "live" than polling
  693. # [09:45] <ron_frown> I am going to just install node.js as little as I like the idea
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  696. # [09:47] <alcuadrado> so yes, socket.io is a good option
  697. # [09:47] <alcuadrado> there is also a java implementation if you dislike node.js
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  699. # [09:59] <paul_irish> ^
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  706. # [10:42] <ACTRAiSER> Flying ou t to San Francisco 22nd to 29th January... if any of your guys are in the bay area we are happy to grab a beer or two
  707. # [10:42] <ACTRAiSER> we = Zynga Germany Team
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  737. # [13:12] <craigbarnes> Has anyone used jade much?
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  739. # [13:13] <craigbarnes> paul_irish: Do you know much about http://jade-lang.com/ ?
  740. # [13:17] <danielfilho> hi guys :D
  741. # [13:18] <danielfilho> let me ask you a question.
  742. # [13:18] <danielfilho> how could a jsonp hosted in the cloud mess up my layout but, if I save it locally, all goes ok
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  752. # [13:32] <danielfilho> ok, I'll make it when you guys wake up.
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  756. # [14:28] <paxcoder> yo peeps. is it legal to put a div inside an "a" tag?
  757. # [14:29] <paxcoder> (so as to make the whole div a link, and not use JavaScript for it)
  758. # [14:29] <ben_c> it is in html5, <a> can contain block level elements
  759. # [14:29] <ben_c> http://html5doctor.com/block-level-links-in-html-5/
  760. # [14:29] <paxcoder> kewl thx
  761. # [14:29] <paxcoder> i like that
  762. # [14:31] <paxcoder> ben_c, just occured to me. that'd make all text elements turn into hyperlinks (and get styled accordingly), can this be prevented without explicitly giving a styles for a particular block?
  763. # [14:34] <ben_c> you'd have to style it, but you could use a selector that styles certain children of the a tag
  764. # [14:35] <paxcoder> yeah. still clunky.
  765. # [14:35] <paxcoder> nvm, thx
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  789. # [15:38] <rakeshpai> anyone faced this weird problem where in certain iphones there's no request for the appcache manifest? Details: iPhone iOS 4.2, latest safari, etc. doesn't make a request for the manifest and loads all resources irrespective, older iPhone 3G with iOS 4 loads from appcache even when the server is down.
  790. # [15:39] <rakeshpai> Also, are appcache size limits global to the browser or are they on a per-manifest basis?
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  801. # [15:58] <craigbarnes> Just stumbled on a gem of a question while browsing around
  802. # [15:58] <craigbarnes> behold:
  803. # [15:59] <craigbarnes> "I am going to build a e-comerice website and I was hopping for input onf the best web language to build the website in? "
  804. # [15:59] <craigbarnes> "I am going to build a e-comerice website and I was hopping for input onf the best web language to build the website in? "
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  806. # [15:59] <craigbarnes> "Right now I don't know if we are going to use a database. If I use a database would php be faster than html? "
  807. # [15:59] <craigbarnes> good lord
  808. # [15:59] <rakeshpai> lol
  809. # [16:00] <craigbarnes> That is going to be one hell of an "e-comerice" website
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  812. # [16:01] <Thasmo> I'm curious why he is "hopping" for input. :>
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  814. # [16:02] <craigbarnes> perhaps he has ADHD
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  826. # [16:25] <mokush_> you guys, I'm using requirejs to load some scripts. the problem is that once a certain script was loaded, if I try and load it again, it doesn't load it, it doesn't even run it.
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  831. # [16:39] <tw2113> http://laughingsquid.com/the-other-100-greatest-movie-insults-of-all-time/
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  835. # [16:53] <tw2113> hey paul_irish would jquery mobile be a good thing to invest in if i wanted some sort of slider plugin on mobile devices?
  836. # [16:54] <tw2113> instead of coming up for a different solution for the slider that may be on the desktop version
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  841. # [17:22] <craigbarnes> http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lelp8u1Ha31qz4cuyo1_500.jpg
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  853. # [17:39] <burg> hello. i have two canvases on a page, one above other. and when i try to change style to one of them or to erase one of them, it erases and changes style to both. is this normal?
  854. # [17:40] <tw2113> do they have different classes applied to them?
  855. # [17:41] <tw2113> or are you just referencing them in the css with "canvas {...}"
  856. # [17:41] <burg> tw2113, different id, in fact
  857. # [17:41] <tw2113> hmmm
  858. # [17:41] <tw2113> i don't know enough about canvas to tell if this is how it's supposed to be or not
  859. # [17:41] <tw2113> given the ability with the tag
  860. # [17:41] <tw2113> my best suggestion from my knowledge...try classes
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  863. # [17:46] <mokush_> anybody worked with requirejs/commonjs modules?
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  871. # [18:10] <danielfilho> guys. this is the news today: a JSONP hosted online breaks my markup. If I download it and host locally, all goes right.
  872. # [18:10] <danielfilho> I'm trying to acquire some paranormal power. I'll tell you if I got it, ok? :D
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  882. # [18:18] <bEEEviz> hey
  883. # [18:18] <bEEEviz> can anyone tell me why websql is discontinued and indexedDB used instead? indexeddb stinks
  884. # [18:18] <nimbupani> :D
  885. # [18:19] <bEEEviz> really
  886. # [18:20] <bEEEviz> websql rocks
  887. # [18:20] <bEEEviz> indexeddb does not
  888. # [18:20] <miketaylr> it's because you didn't bring up that argument on public-webapps
  889. # [18:21] <nimbupani> :D :D
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  891. # [18:21] <tw2113> so that's who's fault it is! bEEEviz'z
  892. # [18:21] <tw2113> 's* even
  893. # [18:21] <miketaylr> but also because mozilla and microsoft said they'd never implement it
  894. # [18:21] * tw2113 isn't sure what those do exactly, but i know who to blame
  895. # [18:21] <bEEEviz> i think they dont care a lot about my opinion
  896. # [18:22] <bEEEviz> yes. but why don't they?
  897. # [18:22] <miketaylr> for the answer to that, dig into the mail archives
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  899. # [18:25] <nimbupani> ?g public-webapps list
  900. # [18:25] <bot-t> nimbupani, Old Nabble - w3.org - public-webapps forum & mailing list archive - http://old.nabble.com/w3.org---public-webapps-f35617.html
  901. # [18:27] <paul_irish> btw ya'll big convo about the html5 boilerplate and it's size and scaryness and how to deal with that https://groups.google.com/d/topic/html5boilerplate/Nwy303DS2k8/discussion
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  905. # [18:32] <NiftyLettuce> ty for link paul
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  907. # [18:33] <NiftyLettuce> paul_irish: having trouble with $.include inside of the //remap jQuery to $ on plugins.js, it gives me an "...object is actually just the init constructor 'enhanced'" error
  908. # [18:34] <ben_c> oh I like the suggestion of adding a builder to the H5BP, I personally don't mind using the 'delete key', but can see where this could come in handy
  909. # [18:35] <nimbupani> agreed ben_c
  910. # [18:35] <NiftyLettuce> we should write a GUI for Boilerplate
  911. # [18:35] <NiftyLettuce> integrate CSS3 pie in
  912. # [18:35] <ben_c> Would also give you the chance to educate about each feature without them having to read through the code (although they should) so people understand what they're including instead of just dumping the whole lot in
  913. # [18:35] <nimbupani> GUI :/
  914. # [18:35] <paul_irish> yeahhhhh FEATURE CREEP OMG.
  915. # [18:36] <NiftyLettuce> LOL
  916. # [18:36] <miketaylr> i know some visual basic, guize
  917. # [18:36] <paul_irish> css3 pie is so effing inevitable with a builder.
  918. # [18:36] <nimbupani> :D :D :D
  919. # [18:36] <NiftyLettuce> sparkles and ponies wtf
  920. # [18:36] <nimbupani> VB++
  921. # [18:36] <paul_irish> and sex, NiftyLettuce.
  922. # [18:36] <NiftyLettuce> ^.^ Q(''Q)
  923. # [18:36] <NiftyLettuce> and kirby
  924. # [18:36] <paul_irish> ben_c: this is true
  925. # [18:36] <NiftyLettuce> ms pacman called, she left her nom noms
  926. # [18:37] <NiftyLettuce> paul you removing the plugins.js?
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  928. # [18:37] <paul_irish> i cleaned it out. only left the logging stuff
  929. # [18:37] <nimbupani> why should we remove NiftyLettuce?
  930. # [18:37] <paul_irish> no he's reading my msg in the thread
  931. # [18:37] <ben_c> adding CSS3 pie and other scripts could just be in a list of 'unsupported' thirdparty crap hidden away in the builder?
  932. # [18:37] <NiftyLettuce> oh, i read that wrong in his comment
  933. # [18:37] <NiftyLettuce> msg*
  934. # [18:38] <NiftyLettuce> I read about yepnope, looks a higher learning curve than what I'm comfortable with, but I want to make use of your plugins.js -- and I tried using a $.include inside the (function($) { but it only returns errors
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  936. # [18:39] <paul_irish> hmmmm
  937. # [18:40] <paul_irish> well.. you should just kill the jQuery $ wrapper
  938. # [18:40] <paul_irish> it's not a big deal
  939. # [18:40] <NiftyLettuce> you had it there to clean up plugins from your screencast?
  940. # [18:40] <NiftyLettuce> what does it even do?
  941. # [18:41] <NiftyLettuce> just gets run with the build script? and minifys?
  942. # [18:42] <paul_irish> it....
  943. # [18:42] <paul_irish> ummm.
  944. # [18:42] <paul_irish> if for some reason you need to call jQuery.noConflict()
  945. # [18:42] <paul_irish> but you like referencing jquery with the $
  946. # [18:42] <paul_irish> then you're in a bubble of safety inside that thing
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  948. # [18:43] <NiftyLettuce> nice Paul
  949. # [18:43] <NiftyLettuce> ty
  950. # [18:43] * tw2113 personally thinks that wordpress plugin authors need to check if jquery is aliased already before including their own version into wp_head()
  951. # [18:43] <paul_irish> NiftyLettuce: yepnope will be your bestfriend. it'll just be a few months.
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  953. # [18:44] <alrra> paul_irish: "Hell it even takes over 40 minutes to explain! " lol =)) go watch porn instead :))... c`on sometimes you stay 3 days till you get some things and you don`t have 40 min to just listen and understand quickly without and effort
  954. # [18:44] <paul_irish> :)
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  958. # [18:47] <alrra> paul_irish: i found html5boilerplate searching for something for apache and after watching the 40 min video i has like: yeye i get it now :D
  959. # [18:48] <Thasmo> paul_irish, I notice all your websites/domains are configured to not use the www subdomain. Any reasons for this or is it just a matter of taste?
  960. # [18:48] <tw2113> extra typing mang!
  961. # [18:48] <paul_irish> matter of taste.
  962. # [18:48] <paul_irish> i think its.. http://no-www.org
  963. # [18:49] <nimbupani> who wants a WWW
  964. # [18:49] <tw2113> for instance with mine....http://michaelbox.net vs http://www.michaelbox.net
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  966. # [18:49] <nimbupani> such a mouthful
  967. # [18:49] <paul_irish> Succinctly, use of the www subdomain is redundant and time consuming to communicate. The internet, media, and society are all better off without it.
  968. # [18:49] * tw2113 resists "thats what she said" joke
  969. # [18:49] <paul_irish> do you want to hear people on the news say "just go to aitch t t p colon slash slash dubbleyou dubble you dubble you .....
  970. # [18:50] <tw2113> or just the actual domain + dot com/dot net/etc
  971. # [18:50] <Thasmo> tea tea pee? :>
  972. # [18:50] <paul_irish> tea tea pee!
  973. # [18:51] <tw2113> it's what you do when you drink too much tea....pee
  974. # [18:51] <Thasmo> well I think it would be cool to call it 'age tea tea pee call on slash slash double you ...' xD
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  977. # [18:51] <Thasmo> maybe some1 could make a rap of it
  978. # [18:52] <Thasmo> nvm got the point, but, paul_irish, the http:// isn't the point, is it? I mean I can leave it either I use www or not.
  979. # [18:52] <tw2113> you mean like these, Thasmo ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjDSY8LczFw
  980. # [18:52] <paul_irish> of course.
  981. # [18:52] <paul_irish> if you like typing it thats fine. shit will work.
  982. # [18:53] <alrra> in my language they say v instance of w :/
  983. # [18:53] <Thasmo> rofl paul_irish
  984. # [18:53] <Thasmo> in german it's kinda 'v' - the 'w' is pronounced like 'v'.
  985. # [18:53] <danielfilho> is anyone using jQuery Touch with custom templates?
  986. # [18:54] <alrra> instead~
  987. # [18:54] <danielfilho> anyone knows it?
  988. # [18:54] <NiftyLettuce> acheteeteepee.com
  989. # [18:54] <NiftyLettuce> we should start it
  990. # [18:54] <Thasmo> :>
  991. # [18:54] <NiftyLettuce> danielfilho: I've played with it
  992. # [18:55] <danielfilho> NiftyLettuce: you have something online?
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  994. # [18:55] <NiftyLettuce> Thasmo: you can only leavei to ut if you have htaccess config'd properly
  995. # [18:55] <NiftyLettuce> danielfilho: i will in a sec, hacking bluetooth right now
  996. # [18:55] <Thasmo> NiftyLettuce, nah but the subdomain must be configured.
  997. # [18:55] <danielfilho> NiftyLettuce: cool :)
  998. # [18:55] <NiftyLettuce> OBEX data exchange is whack
  999. # [18:55] <danielfilho> tell me when ok!
  1000. # [18:55] <NiftyLettuce> Thasmo: aye oh yea ^^
  1001. # [18:55] <Thasmo> htaccess is only for the redirection imo, no?
  1002. # [18:55] <masondesu> danielfilho, I'm using a custom jQTouch theme.
  1003. # [18:56] <NiftyLettuce> masondesu: linky?
  1004. # [18:56] <NiftyLettuce> eyepad galore
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  1006. # [18:56] <danielfilho> masondesu: url? I want to see how ppl is using.
  1007. # [18:56] <masondesu> It's buggy as shit, working on it right now: http://masondesu.com/mobile-ass-whipping
  1008. # [18:56] <danielfilho> I'm planning to contribute with the script. But I want to study it deeply :)
  1009. # [18:56] <Thasmo> HyperTextTransferProtokol://WorldWideWeb.google.Commercial/
  1010. # [18:57] <Thasmo> Protocol
  1011. # [18:57] <Thasmo> eh nvm
  1012. # [18:57] <tw2113> aye, it's already noon?
  1013. # [18:57] <masondesu> jQTouch isn't buggy. I mean my site
  1014. # [18:57] <danielfilho> masondesu: thanks :D
  1015. # [18:57] <danielfilho> I get it
  1016. # [19:00] <NiftyLettuce> masondesu: wizards and warriors <3 and hotpink <3 paul_irish
  1017. # [19:00] <NiftyLettuce> references need more towards unicorns I do believe
  1018. # [19:00] <masondesu> haha
  1019. # [19:01] <masondesu> Paul Irish brought out the pink highlighter in all of us
  1020. # [19:01] <paul_irish> HOORAY!
  1021. # [19:01] <Thasmo> :>
  1022. # [19:03] <danielfilho> pink highlander?
  1023. # [19:03] <tw2113> paul flaunts pink?
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  1025. # [19:06] <davatron5000> masondesu: your mobile ass whipping is radical
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  1027. # [19:06] <masondesu> haha, I was really hoping to whip mobile ass in a radical way, thx
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  1030. # [19:09] <danielfilho> this fixation on unicorns, rainbows and sparkling thinkgs.
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  1033. # [19:09] <danielfilho> I think I'll never understand.
  1034. # [19:09] <nimbupani> i am a dinosaur connoisseur myself.
  1035. # [19:09] <danielfilho> *things
  1036. # [19:10] <paul_irish> she is. in a big way.
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  1039. # [19:11] <danielfilho> wait. nimbupani is a girl?
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  1041. # [19:11] <danielfilho> that's why her site is absolutely gorgeous! :D
  1042. # [19:11] <danielfilho> and have no unicorns. or rainbows.
  1043. # [19:11] <danielfilho> hahaha
  1044. # [19:12] <nimbupani> HA HA HA
  1045. # [19:13] <danielfilho> ok, let me get back on work. will have to come saturday AND sunday. damn.
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  1047. # [19:14] * tw2113 wants to re-see this nimbupani site
  1048. # [19:14] <danielfilho> '
  1049. # [19:14] <tw2113> i know i've been there before, but can't recall the url
  1050. # [19:14] <danielfilho> nimbupani.com
  1051. # [19:15] <tw2113> i should have known
  1052. # [19:15] <tw2113> yes yes, very well used color scheme
  1053. # [19:15] <danielfilho> i'd send a lmgtfy.com link, but I'm planning to be a good boy today.
  1054. # [19:15] <danielfilho> tw2113: and as I said, no unicorns.
  1055. # [19:16] <tw2113> being good is overrated
  1056. # [19:16] <peol> ?lmgtfy nimbupani website
  1057. # [19:16] <bot-t> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nimbupani+website
  1058. # [19:16] <danielfilho> GOSH! bot-t has a lmgtfy macro!
  1059. # [19:16] <tw2113> i need to remember that site
  1060. # [19:16] <danielfilho> I wanna marry this bot.
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  1062. # [19:16] <tw2113> !help
  1063. # [19:17] <tw2113> .help
  1064. # [19:17] <twitterhapy> tw2113: use .follow/.unfollow <id>. Get twitter ID's from here: http://www.idfromuser.com/ -- Please note that these are temporary, ask peol to add permanent ID's.
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  1066. # [19:17] <tw2113> ?help
  1067. # [19:17] <bot-t> Get FREE A++ HELP - http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
  1068. # [19:17] <tw2113> dang
  1069. # [19:17] <tw2113> where's the help for bot-t's commands?
  1070. # [19:17] <danielfilho> maybe /msg bot-t help
  1071. # [19:17] <tw2113> ?8ball tsting
  1072. # [19:17] <bot-t> Is that a question?
  1073. # [19:17] <tw2113> ?8ball can danielfilho marry you?
  1074. # [19:17] <bot-t> Better not tell you now.
  1075. # [19:18] <tw2113> i tried danielfilho
  1076. # [19:18] <danielfilho> ok tw2113, you've been a nice guy. so you're overrated.
  1077. # [19:18] <tw2113> very much so
  1078. # [19:19] <tw2113> underused and overrated
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  1082. # [19:20] <danielfilho> tw2113: there's still hope.
  1083. # [19:20] <tw2113> Nice Guys Anonymous?
  1084. # [19:20] <danielfilho> whüt?
  1085. # [19:20] <tw2113> i dunno
  1086. # [19:21] <stack> hi, does figure and firefox 3.5 have some problem? I don't understand if I have some syntax problem or firefox is "self closing" (like < /> ) the tag.
  1087. # [19:22] <tw2113> is figure supported that far back?
  1088. # [19:24] <peol> stack, tw2113: From MDC: The <figure> and <figcaption> elements Requires Gecko 2.0 (FF4)
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  1090. # [19:24] <peol> MDN*
  1091. # [19:24] <peol> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/html/html5
  1092. # [19:24] <tw2113> even the 3.6 line won't support it
  1093. # [19:24] <tw2113> not natively at least, maybe with the shiv
  1094. # [19:25] <stack> peol: so I have no chance to get it working? I'm already using shiv for ie but I don't know if that works also for ff3.5
  1095. # [19:25] <tw2113> do you have figure set to display block?
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  1097. # [19:26] <paul_irish> ?commands
  1098. # [19:26] <bot-t> jQuery bot commands: http://docs.jquery.com/JQuery_bot_commands
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  1103. # [19:29] <stack> tw2113: yes
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  1105. # [19:31] <tw2113> hmm, might be a FF bug then, i dunno otherwise
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  1107. # [19:32] <miketaylr> stack: what kind of problem?
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  1118. # [19:36] <stack> mikesusz: I'm going to think of a syntax error somewhere, I'm debugging that thing, I have a <figure> <div>something</div></figure> that in ff3.5 is displayed as <figure></figure> <div>something</div>
  1119. # [19:36] <stack> but if I "translate" the figure tag in a div all is dispayed correctly.
  1120. # [19:38] <Michael> ?translate My ostrich wears a silly hat when it pole dances to Spanish
  1121. # [19:38] <bot-t> Michael, Translation (English -> Spanish) - Mi avestruz lleva un sombrero tonto cuando polo danzas
  1122. # [19:39] <Ms2ger> stack, that would probably be a long-fixed Fx bug
  1123. # [19:40] <stack> Ms2ger: what does a "long-fixed" means ?
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  1125. # [19:40] <Ms2ger> In latest stable
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  1127. # [19:43] * NiftyLettuce In the words of Super Mario "let's a go!"
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  1131. # [19:44] <mikesusz> ie gradient filter is poking square corners thru border radius. oh well.
  1132. # [19:44] <tw2113> ?translate I've got a lovely bunch of cocoanuts to Italian
  1133. # [19:44] <bot-t> tw2113, Translation (English -> Italian) - Ho un bel mucchio di noci di cocco
  1134. # [19:45] <tw2113> hells yeah
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  1139. # [19:56] <tw2113> what is this country coming to?
  1140. # [19:56] <tw2113> they're not even allowing a business to have the employees be partially naked
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  1142. # [19:57] <tw2113> http://www.nerve.com/love-sex/this-week-in-sex/this-week-in-sex-edition
  1143. # [19:57] <Ms2ger> You're making Hooters illegal?
  1144. # [19:58] <thatryan> any you folks use sencha touch
  1145. # [19:58] <tw2113> they can serve my coffee any way they want to be dressed
  1146. # [19:59] <masondesu> thatryan, messed around with it some last weekend, didn't do too much with it
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  1149. # [20:06] <NiftyLettuce> ?translate your mom to Italian
  1150. # [20:06] <bot-t> NiftyLettuce, Translation (English -> Italian) - la tua mamma
  1151. # [20:06] <NiftyLettuce> ?translate paul loves hotpink to Portuguese
  1152. # [20:06] <bot-t> NiftyLettuce, Translation (English -> Portuguese) - paul ama hotpink
  1153. # [20:06] <NiftyLettuce> lmao
  1154. # [20:07] <masondesu> ?translate i am mason to Japanese
  1155. # [20:07] <bot-t> masondesu, Translation (English -> Japanese) - 私は石工午前
  1156. # [20:07] <masondesu> haha fail
  1157. # [20:08] <masondesu> ?translate haha fail to Japanese
  1158. # [20:08] <bot-t> masondesu, Translation (English -> Japanese) - 母が失敗する
  1159. # [20:08] <masondesu> hahahaha mega-fail
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  1168. # [20:31] <NiftyLettuce> how to I access a private method in a plugin from outside the plugin? (ie: if I want to bind an event with the method?
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  1170. # [20:34] <paul_irish> cant
  1171. # [20:34] <paul_irish> hack the code of the plugin to expose it
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  1200. # [21:48] <danielfilho> I think I can't survive this weekend.
  1201. # [21:48] <danielfilho> for real.
  1202. # [21:48] <nimbupani> :/
  1203. # [21:48] <nimbupani> why?
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  1205. # [21:49] <norbert_> serious network lag
  1206. # [21:49] <norbert_> anyways, would it be easy for someone here to check the source code and see why it's not working in Firefox?
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  1208. # [21:50] <norbert_> or would that be lots of work, looking through the code?
  1209. # [21:50] <Ms2ger> One could look, but only if such code was linked to
  1210. # [21:50] <norbert> hi all, there's a little HTML5 game someone (not me) wrote that works in Chrome and Safari, but the AI fails in Firefox
  1211. # [21:50] <norbert> the URL of the game is http://ngupta03.mysite.syr.edu/
  1212. # [21:50] <norbert_> there it is
  1213. # [21:51] <norbert_> serious network lag, like crazy
  1214. # [21:51] <norbert_> lots of code, maybe I should ask the developers in #firefox?
  1215. # [21:51] <alcuadrado> let me check
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  1217. # [21:52] <norbert_> alcuadrado: thanks
  1218. # [21:52] <norbert_> the issue is that the AI on setting "9" (after pressing 9 on the keyboard) is still weak
  1219. # [21:52] <norbert_> but only weak in Firefox, not in Chrome or Safari
  1220. # [21:52] <alcuadrado> woooooooooooow guy
  1221. # [21:52] <alcuadrado> who wrote it?
  1222. # [21:52] <alcuadrado> a mathematician? haha
  1223. # [21:53] <norbert_> yep
  1224. # [21:53] <alcuadrado> they are so obvious haha
  1225. # [21:53] <norbert_> :)
  1226. # [21:53] <alcuadrado> keep them away from code =)
  1227. # [21:54] <alcuadrado> nearly 750 LOC non intented, non organized, and sometimes without line breaks! :s
  1228. # [21:54] <danielfilho> nimbupani: I have two deadlines for monday
  1229. # [21:54] <danielfilho> next monday.
  1230. # [21:54] <nimbupani> o like dat :/
  1231. # [21:54] <norbert_> but still, he's coding HTML5, that's good thing; more people working on non-flash things
  1232. # [21:54] <danielfilho> we've submitted an application to apple store, but they're late on the approval. so I'm doing the same app, but webapp.
  1233. # [21:54] <miketaylr> works fine in opera
  1234. # [21:55] <danielfilho> and I have a new "shopping layer" to code, with some backend developers that are in another state. and they can't write a jsonp without messing everything.
  1235. # [21:55] <danielfilho> so, I'll work sat and sun.
  1236. # [21:56] <norbert_> alcuadrado: error console shows two errors, it seems
  1237. # [21:56] <danielfilho> the good part is that #html5 will have my rich and philosophic presence
  1238. # [21:56] <norbert_> hum... no, warnings, not errors
  1239. # [21:56] <danielfilho> the bad is the same.
  1240. # [21:56] <norbert_> probably not the cause of the AI issue
  1241. # [21:56] <alcuadrado> norbert_, I'll check those errors, but won't read all that code :s
  1242. # [21:57] <alcuadrado> and, indeed, don't let mathematicians code :P
  1243. # [21:57] <norbert_> those warnings aren't the problem
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  1245. # [21:57] <norbert_> yeah, I'll have to notify the folks in #firefox
  1246. # [21:58] <alrra> norbert: it's easier with the mouse clicked on the food hehe :P
  1247. # [21:58] <norbert_> it's a Firefox issue
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  1249. # [21:58] <norbert> oh
  1250. # [21:58] <norbert> well, still got the other
  1251. # [22:00] <alcuadrado> I see no error
  1252. # [22:01] <alcuadrado> BTW, what is that "game"?
  1253. # [22:01] <alcuadrado> I think the AI is learning
  1254. # [22:01] <Ms2ger> Weird
  1255. # [22:01] <alcuadrado> as it's getting faster
  1256. # [22:01] <alcuadrado> what kind of artifitial lerning is it using?
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  1258. # [22:03] <norbert> I have no idea
  1259. # [22:03] <norbert> the "game" is that you move around with the cursor keys and try to get the 'food' before the AI does
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  1261. # [22:03] <norbert> if you press 9 it's on the best setting
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  1263. # [22:03] <norbert> but still sucks in Firefox
  1264. # [22:03] <tw2113> which version?
  1265. # [22:04] <norbert> beta8
  1266. # [22:04] <tw2113> just checking
  1267. # [22:04] <alcuadrado> ohh, FF4
  1268. # [22:04] <alcuadrado> I thought you mean the current release
  1269. # [22:04] <peol> btw, it's never too late to retweet this: http://twitter.com/#!/paul_irish/status/27169215669
  1270. # [22:04] <norbert> I'm on Linux, so can't check if it works in IE, but probably not
  1271. # [22:04] <norbert> so only 1% of all people will have a working game
  1272. # [22:04] <tw2113> fuck IE
  1273. # [22:04] <norbert> because Firefox and IE are out
  1274. # [22:04] <alcuadrado> I don't have that beta currently, and I've a terribly slow connection right now, so I can't help you
  1275. # [22:05] <tw2113> do keep in mind though, that even all the modern browsers aren't all at the same place with feature development
  1276. # [22:05] <tw2113> all depends on which ones they're focusing on for the next release
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  1278. # [22:05] <norbert> yeah
  1279. # [22:05] <norbert> from what I can tell though, as an HTML5 noob, it's mostly javascript
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  1281. # [22:08] <antonkovalyov> i actually thought that w3schools were affiliated to w3c
  1282. # [22:08] <tw2113> i am kind of stopping from checking in on foursquare, at work here
  1283. # [22:08] <tw2113> i am up to like 20 checkins and am the only one to
  1284. # [22:08] <tw2113> they probably wish
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  1287. # [22:12] <danielfilho> masodensu cheated me. he told he was using jQuery mobile. But it is jQtouch.
  1288. # [22:12] <danielfilho> I'm a foooooool. tchururuuuu
  1289. # [22:12] * tw2113 points and laughs
  1290. # [22:16] <tw2113> form alignment....y u no work!?!?!
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  1295. # [22:29] <antonkovalyov> hey guys. are there any standard policies on how much time browsers give an unload event listeners when user closes the page (or navigates from it)?
  1296. # [22:29] <Ms2ger> Not as far as I know
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  1298. # [22:31] <tw2113> 42 hours
  1299. # [22:33] <antonkovalyov> haha
  1300. # [22:33] <antonkovalyov> no seriously. i want to send some data onbeforeunload but i don't know if i will have enough time to do it
  1301. # [22:39] <tw2113> any of you know how to successfully target form selects for changing the outline color?
  1302. # [22:41] <nimbupani> when a select is focussed?
  1303. # [22:42] <tw2113> yeah
  1304. # [22:42] <tw2113> drop down list
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  1306. # [22:50] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: use a synchronous ajax...
  1307. # [22:50] <paul_irish> o wait you can't do proper XHR. :/
  1308. # [22:50] <paul_irish> or can you with CORS?
  1309. # [22:50] <paul_irish> IE8+
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  1311. # [22:51] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, we use postMessage and a number of hacks for IE/old browsers (easyXDM) to do cross-domain messaging
  1312. # [22:52] <antonkovalyov> so basically it means we're communicating with an iframe
  1313. # [22:52] <antonkovalyov> i need to check if browsers waits on that kind of stuff
  1314. # [22:52] <paul_irish> doubt it
  1315. # [22:52] <paul_irish> sync ajax is how i already recommend to shoot back data in an onbeforeunload
  1316. # [22:52] <paul_irish> nothing else is really sync
  1317. # [22:53] <paul_irish> so its race conditions !!! yAY
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  1321. # [22:58] <paul_irish> hey everyone go here and open it in another incognito window http://oksoclap.com//whyw3schoolssucks load test time!!!
  1322. # [22:59] <tw2113> why with incogneto?
  1323. # [22:59] <tw2113> just curious
  1324. # [23:00] <nimbupani> so it can be two connections
  1325. # [23:00] <paul_irish> just because you get a 2nd out of it. the server outsmarts you if you use two of the same tabs
  1326. # [23:00] <tw2113> just curious
  1327. # [23:00] <tw2113> i don't do incogneto much
  1328. # [23:00] <JKarsrud> Sorry, only 16 people are allowed to edit a single pad at the same time in the free version of EtherPad. :(
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  1338. # [23:18] <antonkovalyov> haha
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