/irc-logs / freenode / #html5 / 2011-01-08 / end

Options:

  1. # Session Start: Sat Jan 08 00:00:00 2011
  2. # Session Ident: #html5
  3. # [00:00] * Quits: Killman (~Killman@unaffiliated/killman) (Write error: Connection reset by peer)
  4. # [00:05] * Joins: Killman (~Killman@unaffiliated/killman)
  5. # [00:06] * Joins: Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-80.cust.tele2.at)
  6. # [00:07] * Quits: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.181.240.75) (Quit: nn)
  7. # [00:08] * Quits: cocoadaemon (~cocoadaem@2a01:e35:8a99:e90:20d:93ff:fe3b:868c) (Quit: cocoadaemon)
  8. # [00:09] * Quits: Evet (~Evet@78.185.18.153) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  9. # [00:10] * Joins: dgathright (~dgathrigh@nat/yahoo/x-gzlhxojnqqzcilyv)
  10. # [00:13] * Quits: figital (~figital@64.119.153.2) (Quit: Leaving)
  11. # [00:20] * Quits: matjas (~matjas@91.182.174.185) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  12. # [00:21] * Joins: Evet (~Evet@78.191.184.89)
  13. # [00:23] * Quits: JKarsrud (~JKarsrud@178.74.13.40) (Quit: Leaving.)
  14. # [00:29] * Quits: ben225 (~ben225@75-169-124-53.slkc.qwest.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  15. # [00:29] * Joins: ben225 (~ben225@75-169-124-53.slkc.qwest.net)
  16. # [00:30] <tw2113> beer thirty?!?!!?!?!?!
  17. # [00:32] * Quits: hubble (~hubble@173-165-61-105-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) (Quit: hubble)
  18. # [00:34] <ben225> pot twenty !?!?!?! beer thirty?!?!?!?!?! what should i do at fourt?
  19. # [00:34] * Joins: sean` (~Sean@D97A9F8D.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  20. # [00:34] * Quits: sean` (~Sean@D97A9F8D.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) (Changing host)
  21. # [00:34] * Joins: sean` (~Sean@unaffiliated/sean/x-7291292)
  22. # [00:43] * Quits: cgcardona (~cgcardona@cpe-98-150-150-230.hawaii.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  23. # [00:50] * Quits: tw2113 (~tw2113asw@fedora/tw2113) (Quit: Leaving)
  24. # [00:52] * Quits: Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-80.cust.tele2.at) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  25. # [00:53] <paul_irish> btw
  26. # [00:53] <paul_irish> we're taking down w3schools over here
  27. # [00:53] <paul_irish> https://docs2.google.com/document/d/1Jghbd57hqZAzkXxLu39UeplH9PezQrstY2NmTn2hoLA/edit?authkey=CPfzwO8M#
  28. # [00:57] * Joins: jamesarosen (~jamesaros@204.28.122.178)
  29. # [01:01] * Quits: sean` (~Sean@unaffiliated/sean/x-7291292) (Quit: Leaving)
  30. # [01:04] * Quits: jamund (~jamund@24-104-129.146.hfc.mediarain.com) (Quit: jamund)
  31. # [01:08] * Quits: MattDiPasquale (~MattDiPas@rrcs-184-74-229-10.nyc.biz.rr.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  32. # [01:08] * Quits: alrra (592f527d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.47.82.125) (Quit: Page closed)
  33. # [01:09] * Joins: MattDiPasquale (~MattDiPas@rrcs-184-74-229-10.nyc.biz.rr.com)
  34. # [01:09] * Quits: MattDiPasquale (~MattDiPas@rrcs-184-74-229-10.nyc.biz.rr.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  35. # [01:11] * Quits: Brodingo (~Brodingo@cpe-70-116-9-4.austin.res.rr.com) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  36. # [01:14] * Quits: bentruyman (~bentruyma@li159-104.members.linode.com) (Quit: Aways)
  37. # [01:17] <dgathright> yeah, w3schools fucking blows nuts.
  38. # [01:17] <paul_irish> :)
  39. # [01:17] <dgathright> paul, hop over into those search algos where you work and just blacklist the site. :)
  40. # [01:19] <paul_irish> yeah forreal. i wish
  41. # [01:19] <thatryan> lol that link to w3fools.com rerouted me to http://www.3fools.com/ which is awesome
  42. # [01:23] <dgathright> wtfschools.com is available. time for brian leroux to get to work.
  43. # [01:24] * Quits: jeffszusz (~jeffszusz@dyn216-8-170-154.ADSL.mnsi.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  44. # [01:26] * Joins: tw2113 (~tw2113@fedora/tw2113)
  45. # [01:28] * Parts: NiftyLettuce (~niftylett@c-76-125-157-178.hsd1.pa.comcast.net)
  46. # [01:35] * snover is now known as snover|away
  47. # [01:43] * Joins: alrra (592f527d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.47.82.125)
  48. # [01:45] * Quits: alrra (592f527d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.47.82.125) (Client Quit)
  49. # [01:46] * Quits: henrikkok (~henrikkok@3306ds3-amb.0.fullrate.dk) (Quit: Leaving.)
  50. # [01:52] * Parts: nimbupani (~Adium@c-24-22-131-46.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
  51. # [01:52] * Quits: Ramosa (Ramosa@unaffiliated/harald/x-000000001)
  52. # [01:57] * snover|away is now known as snover
  53. # [01:58] * Quits: mikew3c (~MikeSmith@EM114-48-172-243.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  54. # [02:02] * Joins: ron_frown (~ron_frown@71-84-18-23.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com)
  55. # [02:03] * Joins: dguttman_ (~dguttman@gige.bur.digisynd.com)
  56. # [02:04] * Quits: jamesarosen (~jamesaros@204.28.122.178) (Remote host closed the connection)
  57. # [02:05] * Joins: Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-80.cust.tele2.at)
  58. # [02:06] * Quits: twitterhapy (~twitter@h55eb1e56.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  59. # [02:06] * Joins: twitterhapy (~twitter@h55eb1e56.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net)
  60. # [02:06] * Quits: Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-80.cust.tele2.at) (Client Quit)
  61. # [02:07] * Quits: dguttman (~dguttman@gige.bur.digisynd.com) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
  62. # [02:08] * Quits: thatryan (~thatryan@adsl-99-24-217-119.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: Leaving...)
  63. # [02:08] * Quits: dguttman_ (~dguttman@gige.bur.digisynd.com) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  64. # [02:12] * Quits: twitterhapy (~twitter@h55eb1e56.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  65. # [02:13] * Joins: twitterhapy (~twitter@h55eb1e56.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net)
  66. # [02:16] * Quits: croby (~croby@c-24-19-51-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
  67. # [02:16] * Joins: alrra (592f527d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.47.82.125)
  68. # [02:18] <alrra> paul_irish: maybe you should tweet this again "@kangax & all: I'm collecting examples of bad information published on w3schools. Please help! :) http://goo.gl/a8Bke" without the @ at the beginning so more people get it :P
  69. # [02:18] <paul_irish> it was intentional
  70. # [02:19] <paul_irish> honestly i'd rather keep it only going to the people who's opinion i trust
  71. # [02:19] <alrra> ahh ok :)
  72. # [02:19] <paul_irish> and.. people who follow both me and kangax... well that's a pretty good filter.
  73. # [02:20] * Quits: twitterhapy (~twitter@h55eb1e56.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  74. # [02:20] * Joins: twitterhapy (~twitter@h55eb1e56.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net)
  75. # [02:22] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/h5JME7 @peolanha -- Should sleep, can sleep, but I don't wanna. Lots of fun stuff going on. :)
  76. # [02:22] * Joins: hubble (~hubble@216-80-69-33.c3-0.nwb-bsr1.chi-nwb.il.cable.rcn.com)
  77. # [02:24] * tw2113 doesn't follow kangax
  78. # [02:24] <tw2113> :O i'm only half trusted by paul
  79. # [02:25] * paul_irish concurs.
  80. # [02:26] <tw2113> going to have to remedy that
  81. # [02:26] * Quits: twitterhapy (~twitter@h55eb1e56.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  82. # [02:28] * Joins: ben_c (~Adium@cpc3-brig17-2-0-cust939.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com)
  83. # [02:28] * Quits: dgathright (~dgathrigh@nat/yahoo/x-gzlhxojnqqzcilyv) (Quit: dgathright)
  84. # [02:30] * Quits: alrra (592f527d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.47.82.125) (Quit: Page closed)
  85. # [02:34] * Joins: thatryan (~thatryan@c-71-202-1-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  86. # [02:35] * Joins: twitterhapy (~twitter@h55eb1e56.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net)
  87. # [02:39] * Quits: Evet (~Evet@78.191.184.89) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  88. # [02:53] * Joins: Evet (~Evet@78.191.152.106)
  89. # [02:57] * Quits: hubble (~hubble@216-80-69-33.c3-0.nwb-bsr1.chi-nwb.il.cable.rcn.com) (Quit: hubble)
  90. # [03:01] * Joins: mahemoff_ (~mahemoff@74.125.121.33)
  91. # [03:01] * Joins: Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-80.cust.tele2.at)
  92. # [03:02] * Joins: hubble (~hubble@216-80-69-33.c3-0.nwb-bsr1.chi-nwb.il.cable.rcn.com)
  93. # [03:02] * Quits: hubble (~hubble@216-80-69-33.c3-0.nwb-bsr1.chi-nwb.il.cable.rcn.com) (Client Quit)
  94. # [03:02] * Joins: hubble (~hubble@216-80-69-33.c3-0.nwb-bsr1.chi-nwb.il.cable.rcn.com)
  95. # [03:06] * Quits: mahemoff (~mahemoff@87-194-3-205.bethere.co.uk) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  96. # [03:14] <antonkovalyov> how does with() {} work?
  97. # [03:15] <antonkovalyov> does it create local variables or is it some magic?
  98. # [03:15] <antonkovalyov> ben just changed our evals to with and compiled code got 15 times faster
  99. # [03:18] <tw2113> alright, which one of you started this? http://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/ey876/problems_with_w3schools/
  100. # [03:19] <paul_irish> magic.
  101. # [03:19] <paul_irish> tw2113: shit. if this climbs any higher i'm gonna have to kill the document.
  102. # [03:19] <paul_irish> i do not need this on reddit.
  103. # [03:19] <bckenny> we can find out!
  104. # [03:20] <bckenny> redditor for 4 years
  105. # [03:20] <paul_irish> Fucker.
  106. # [03:20] <tw2113> someone named Arve
  107. # [03:21] <bckenny> he works with demosceners
  108. # [03:21] <bckenny> old ones
  109. # [03:21] <paul_irish> tw2113: can you downvote it plz
  110. # [03:21] <paul_irish> and brendan
  111. # [03:21] <tw2113> done
  112. # [03:21] <paul_irish> appreciated.
  113. # [03:21] <tw2113> i agree in general, but it doesn't need to spread yet
  114. # [03:21] <bckenny> yeah but I went through all the trouble of submitting it in the first place
  115. # [03:21] * Quits: addyosmani (~apple@host86-162-37-225.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: addyosmani)
  116. # [03:22] <tw2113> @mollydotcom just went swoooosh at me
  117. # [03:22] <tw2113> we're both drinking beer tonight
  118. # [03:22] <paul_irish> o rly
  119. # [03:22] * Joins: Trisox (Trisox@g31044.upc-g.chello.nl)
  120. # [03:22] * Joins: teknoid (~chatzilla@c-67-191-36-38.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
  121. # [03:23] <tw2113> i was about to say "what the heck is my email doing at that link"
  122. # [03:23] <tw2113> but then i realized it's just how i was logged in
  123. # [03:27] <tw2113> http://answers.oreilly.com/topic/2353-5-things-you-might-not-know-about-jquery/
  124. # [03:27] * Joins: codetonowhere (~Adium@78-105-3-181.zone3.bethere.co.uk)
  125. # [03:51] * Joins: lupomontero (~lupomonte@101.Red-80-24-52.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
  126. # [03:53] * Joins: jeffszusz (~jeffszusz@dyn216-8-170-154.ADSL.mnsi.net)
  127. # [04:01] * Joins: jrfeenst (~jrfeenst@c-98-217-178-86.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
  128. # [04:05] * Quits: Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-80.cust.tele2.at)
  129. # [04:08] * Quits: obert- (~obert@host22-201-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  130. # [04:09] * Joins: obert- (~obert@host22-201-dynamic.47-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it)
  131. # [04:09] * Quits: Bass2 (Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving)
  132. # [04:11] * Quits: bckenny (~bckenny@nat/google/x-ekcsjaqwyjcdrxxu) (Remote host closed the connection)
  133. # [04:12] <ben_c> Man, hadn't checked out the w3schools site in ages, they've certainly upped the amount of ads on it
  134. # [04:12] <ben_c> maybe no ones buying the certificates!
  135. # [04:12] <tw2113> how else would they pay for their misinformation
  136. # [04:14] <ben_c> I'd like w3fools.com to offer free pdf certificates
  137. # [04:17] <paul_irish> hahha
  138. # [04:18] <paul_irish> ben_c: if you can make a certificate.. we'll definitely do that.
  139. # [04:18] <ben_c> I'm on it
  140. # [04:19] <ben_c> it's going to be way cooler than - http://w3schools.com/cert/cert_pic.asp?imgsrc=HTML
  141. # [04:19] <paul_irish> :D :D
  142. # [04:20] <ben_c> however, that is a task for the morning! Night all (from UK..)
  143. # [04:20] <tw2113> wouldn't be that hard to top
  144. # [04:25] <antonkovalyov> oh man, i want to be a certifiied html developer
  145. # [04:25] <Trisox> hey paul
  146. # [04:25] <paul_irish> SOX
  147. # [04:25] <paul_irish> go to sleep!
  148. # [04:26] <Trisox> i will
  149. # [04:26] <Trisox> just was going to saw you on:)
  150. # [04:26] <Trisox> hows life?
  151. # [04:26] <paul_irish> fabulous.
  152. # [04:26] <Trisox> good
  153. # [04:26] * Joins: KDN (~KDN@202.171.164.212)
  154. # [04:26] <Trisox> not been on irc a lot been bizzy
  155. # [04:26] <paul_irish> busy making the internet a better place.
  156. # [04:26] <Trisox> i hope so :)
  157. # [04:26] <tw2113> paul_irish works for the internet
  158. # [04:27] <Trisox> also done some indesign projects
  159. # [04:27] <antonkovalyov> people from sf, do you know if anything happening here tonight?
  160. # [04:27] <paul_irish> i know @hakimel is in town.
  161. # [04:27] <Trisox> some local bussness newspaper they just louged
  162. # [04:27] <paul_irish> and i know sh1mmer is drinking with node.js guys at Rickhouse right now
  163. # [04:27] <Trisox> launched
  164. # [04:28] <tw2113> to me, sf = my current city, but i know in this case it's San Fransisco
  165. # [04:28] <tw2113> too bad SD tends to mean San Diego, while it's South Dakota here :D
  166. # [04:28] <paul_irish> thats what you get for living in bumfuck
  167. # [04:28] <tw2113> california cities keep trumping me
  168. # [04:29] <Trisox> i'm @ z :D
  169. # [04:29] <Trisox> my current city hehe
  170. # [04:29] <Trisox> bumfuck is always better than myanus
  171. # [04:30] <Trisox> or is it..
  172. # [04:30] <Trisox> nn all :D
  173. # [04:30] <tw2113> shames: cute girls you run into end up not single
  174. # [04:30] <Trisox> paul talk to you soon have a nice one
  175. # [04:30] <Trisox> cu every one
  176. # [04:30] * Quits: Trisox (Trisox@g31044.upc-g.chello.nl)
  177. # [04:31] * Parts: snover (~Adium@unaffiliated/snover)
  178. # [04:39] * Parts: Colonel-Rosa (~Colonel-R@unaffiliated/colonel-rosa) ("Leaving")
  179. # [04:41] * Quits: Killman (~Killman@unaffiliated/killman) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  180. # [04:44] * Joins: Killman (~Killman@unaffiliated/killman)
  181. # [04:48] <antonkovalyov> god damn you bay area
  182. # [04:48] <antonkovalyov> my dinner god canceled, asked a few friends if they want to grab a bite and everybody is fucking working
  183. # [04:53] <paul_irish> shitty.
  184. # [04:54] <kurrent> i'll have to remember that one :)
  185. # [04:59] * Quits: jrfeenst (~jrfeenst@c-98-217-178-86.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
  186. # [05:03] <antonkovalyov> the web is going to be a bit more awesome (re slightlylate's latest tweet)
  187. # [05:05] <tw2113> antonkovalyov you should check this out
  188. # [05:05] <tw2113> http://www.slideshare.net/cheilmann/reasons-to-be-cheerful-fronteers-2010
  189. # [05:05] <tw2113> it always puts me in a good mood
  190. # [05:06] <antonkovalyov> "When life gives you lemons, squeeze them in peoples eyes"
  191. # [05:08] <tw2113> and kudos for the Ghostbusters shirt early on
  192. # [05:12] * Joins: nimbupani (~Adium@c-24-22-131-46.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
  193. # [05:13] * Quits: paul_irish (~paul_iris@nat/google/x-pnocarfibchgdqza) (Remote host closed the connection)
  194. # [05:16] <antonkovalyov> tw2113, that was awesome
  195. # [05:18] * Joins: paul_irish (~paul_iris@67.218.103.170)
  196. # [05:18] * Quits: antonkovalyov (~antonkova@75-101-56-240.dsl.static.sonic.net) (Quit: Leaving...)
  197. # [05:29] * Quits: hubble (~hubble@216-80-69-33.c3-0.nwb-bsr1.chi-nwb.il.cable.rcn.com) (Quit: hubble)
  198. # [05:31] * Joins: chromate (~chromate@cpe-76-166-202-35.socal.res.rr.com)
  199. # [05:38] * Quits: lupomontero (~lupomonte@101.Red-80-24-52.staticIP.rima-tde.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  200. # [05:40] * Joins: Noxxy (~Noxxy@adsl-93-90-217.owb.bellsouth.net)
  201. # [05:52] <thatryan> tw2113: just saw that link, lol great shit
  202. # [05:53] * Quits: paul_irish (~paul_iris@67.218.103.170) (Remote host closed the connection)
  203. # [05:57] <tw2113> :D
  204. # [05:57] <tw2113> good ole chris heilmann
  205. # [05:57] <tw2113> just remember, you make stuff for the internet
  206. # [05:58] <thatryan> I am so proud! ;)
  207. # [05:58] * Joins: paul_irish (~paul_iris@c-76-21-40-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  208. # [06:01] <tw2113> feel optimistic thatryan ?
  209. # [06:01] <thatryan> lol yeah, like maybe i can figure out this damn sencha touch app im building ;)
  210. # [06:02] <tw2113> remember, you don't need to build it all from scratch
  211. # [06:02] <tw2113> use tools, when possible, already created by others
  212. # [06:03] <tw2113> sometimes there are downsides to that, at least when they're not hosted by yourself
  213. # [06:03] <tw2113> you do rely on others to maintain availability
  214. # [06:03] <thatryan> Just trying to figure out how it all works is all
  215. # [06:04] * Joins: mikew3c (~MikeSmith@EM114-48-181-88.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  216. # [06:04] <tw2113> i need to consider sleep within the next couple hours
  217. # [06:05] <thatryan> overrated
  218. # [06:05] <tw2113> :P
  219. # [06:06] <tw2113> i'm just not awake tonight
  220. # [06:06] <thatryan> :)
  221. # [06:13] * Quits: dmachi (~dmachi@pool-71-254-65-178.ronkva.east.verizon.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  222. # [06:17] * Quits: tw2113 (~tw2113@fedora/tw2113) (Quit: Going!)
  223. # [06:17] * Joins: dmachi (~dmachi@pool-71-254-65-178.ronkva.east.verizon.net)
  224. # [06:20] * Quits: chromate (~chromate@cpe-76-166-202-35.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  225. # [06:25] * Joins: Zebra10 (~Zebra10@p26056-ipngn2601marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp)
  226. # [06:26] * Quits: mikew3c (~MikeSmith@EM114-48-181-88.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Quit: mikew3c)
  227. # [06:27] * Joins: chromate (~chromate@cpe-76-166-202-35.socal.res.rr.com)
  228. # [06:27] <jeffszusz> i'm curious - why is it that javascript is the only scripting language included in browsers? with all the choice available everywhere else, it's strange that there is none when it comes to client-side scripting.
  229. # [06:28] <Zebra10> if a DELETE method passes arguments, should they be apart of a querystring or part of the request body?
  230. # [06:28] <nimbupani> quite similar to why HTML is the only markup language and CSS the only stylesheet syntax.
  231. # [06:32] <jeffszusz> it's arguable that html and css don't have very useful alternatives - nobody would want to write a website in LaTeX and things like markdown aren't "good enough"
  232. # [06:32] <jeffszusz> on hte other hand there are plenty of scripting languages that'd be just fine alternatives, if they made it into the browser
  233. # [06:35] * Joins: antonkovalyov (~antonkova@adsl-75-18-218-45.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
  234. # [06:41] * Joins: mikew3c (~MikeSmith@EM111-188-55-19.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  235. # [06:46] * Quits: Zebra10 (~Zebra10@p26056-ipngn2601marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) (Quit: Zebra10)
  236. # [06:47] * Quits: patcito (~123@190.42.70.97) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  237. # [06:49] * Joins: Killman_ (~Killman@186.3.10.3)
  238. # [06:49] * Killman is now known as Guest32489
  239. # [06:49] * Quits: Killman_ (~Killman@186.3.10.3) (Client Quit)
  240. # [06:50] * Joins: Killman (~Killman@186.3.10.3)
  241. # [06:50] * Quits: Killman (~Killman@186.3.10.3) (Changing host)
  242. # [06:50] * Joins: Killman (~Killman@unaffiliated/killman)
  243. # [06:52] * Joins: mikew3c_ (~MikeSmith@EM114-48-239-70.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  244. # [06:53] * Quits: mikew3c (~MikeSmith@EM111-188-55-19.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  245. # [06:53] * mikew3c_ is now known as mikew3c
  246. # [06:53] * Quits: Guest32489 (~Killman@unaffiliated/killman) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  247. # [06:53] <HAITI> n/window ne whide
  248. # [06:53] <HAITI> haha woah
  249. # [06:56] * Quits: jeffszusz (~jeffszusz@dyn216-8-170-154.ADSL.mnsi.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  250. # [06:57] <thatryan> quiet night, everyone have lives and stuff? ;)
  251. # [06:57] <antonkovalyov> nope
  252. # [06:57] <antonkovalyov> :)
  253. # [06:58] <thatryan> lol
  254. # [06:58] <thatryan> phew, thought it was just me :)
  255. # [06:59] <uokesita> hahaha
  256. # [06:59] <antonkovalyov> we are legion
  257. # [07:08] * jacine|afk is now known as jacine
  258. # [07:12] * Joins: Brodingo (~Brodingo@cpe-70-116-9-4.austin.res.rr.com)
  259. # [07:23] * Quits: chipotle (~chipotle@209-6-67-222.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com) (Quit: eat a burrito)
  260. # [07:24] * Quits: Noxxy (~Noxxy@adsl-93-90-217.owb.bellsouth.net) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  261. # [07:25] * Quits: mikew3c (~MikeSmith@EM114-48-239-70.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  262. # [07:31] <thatryan> anyone found anything cool in the mac app store?
  263. # [07:43] * Joins: craigbarnes (~craigbarn@unaffiliated/craigbarnes)
  264. # [07:50] * Quits: techrush (~techrush@rrcs-173-198-32-131.west.biz.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  265. # [07:52] <antonkovalyov> i installed twitter client and closed app store for good
  266. # [07:53] <antonkovalyov> good think though that you don't have to buy whole ilife package to get iphoto, etc.
  267. # [07:58] * Quits: teknoid (~chatzilla@c-67-191-36-38.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014])
  268. # [08:00] * Quits: Brodingo (~Brodingo@cpe-70-116-9-4.austin.res.rr.com) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  269. # [08:01] * Quits: ron_frown (~ron_frown@71-84-18-23.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com) (Quit: ron_frown)
  270. # [08:08] * Joins: white_magic (~white_mag@mceachern-wired-gw.resnet.wsu.edu)
  271. # [08:08] <white_magic> hi
  272. # [08:08] <white_magic> is there any convention for how to save items to localstorage?
  273. # [08:08] <white_magic> i dont want to overwrite anything
  274. # [08:08] <white_magic> this is for a google chrome extension im playing around with
  275. # [08:13] <paul_irish> if (!localStorage.getItem('foo')) localStorage.setItem('foo', sstufffff);
  276. # [08:17] * Quits: nimbupani (~Adium@c-24-22-131-46.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving.)
  277. # [08:26] * Joins: chipotle (~chipotle@209-6-67-222.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com)
  278. # [08:26] <white_magic> i can do that too, thanks
  279. # [08:28] <white_magic> is local storage cleaned out periodically by google chrome & ff4?
  280. # [08:29] <white_magic> like if something is unused?
  281. # [08:29] <paul_irish> no
  282. # [08:29] <paul_irish> it stays... foreverrrr
  283. # [08:29] <white_magic> oh noez
  284. # [08:30] <white_magic> i detect some sarcasm
  285. # [08:30] <paul_irish> none.
  286. # [08:30] <paul_irish> but here's a wrapper with expiration https://github.com/benschwarz/cache.js
  287. # [08:30] <white_magic> really? well if i clear the browser's tmp files, it should probably clear out
  288. # [08:31] <white_magic> yea, that's what it says on google groups
  289. # [08:31] <paul_irish> right.
  290. # [08:31] <paul_irish> you can clear it yourself.
  291. # [08:31] <paul_irish> also localStorage.clear()
  292. # [08:31] <paul_irish> along with the browser settings
  293. # [08:32] <white_magic> is there some easy way to view all the data stored in local storage in chromium?
  294. # [08:32] <paul_irish> for all domains?
  295. # [08:32] <white_magic> or would i have to iterate through it with code?
  296. # [08:32] <white_magic> i suppose
  297. # [08:32] <paul_irish> i dont think so.
  298. # [08:32] * Joins: gilmoreorless (~gilmoreor@124-169-130-102.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  299. # [08:32] <white_magic> yea i dont have any great reason to do so, but would be interesting to see if anything's stored there by default
  300. # [08:35] <white_magic> so do you guys prefer chrome or firefox?
  301. # [08:35] <white_magic> i got really tired of firefox becoming very slow on startup
  302. # [08:35] <white_magic> this has been happening since ff3, and even happens with ff4 betas
  303. # [08:38] <paul_irish> i work on the chrome team. :)
  304. # [08:38] <paul_irish> but.. i <3'd chome way before i joined.
  305. # [08:38] <paul_irish> so it's not really a bias.. just a coincidence :)
  306. # [08:42] <antonkovalyov> yeah yeah
  307. # [08:42] <antonkovalyov> we know that you use firefox with chrome theme at work
  308. # [08:43] <antonkovalyov> white_magic, i prefer chrome for both browsing and development
  309. # [08:43] <antonkovalyov> devtools are much better than firebug i think
  310. # [08:44] <white_magic> that's nice to hear
  311. # [08:44] <white_magic> i think chrome has really set the bar high and no browser has quite caught up yet
  312. # [08:44] * Joins: dguttman (~dguttman@rrcs-24-43-25-203.west.biz.rr.com)
  313. # [08:44] <white_magic> especially in the speed department
  314. # [08:44] <white_magic> but ad block still works better in firefox
  315. # [08:45] <antonkovalyov> i don't use adblock
  316. # [08:45] <white_magic> i wonder if chrome was designed to make ads more difficult to block
  317. # [08:45] <white_magic> adblock really makes browsing better on some sites
  318. # [08:45] <antonkovalyov> i don't mind ads. and i don't visit sites that have too many of them :)
  319. # [08:45] * Quits: chromate (~chromate@cpe-76-166-202-35.socal.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  320. # [08:45] <white_magic> well, imdb is a very popular site that has a nauseating amount of ads
  321. # [08:45] <white_magic> ad block makes it so much cleaner
  322. # [08:46] <antonkovalyov> hm
  323. # [08:46] * antonkovalyov is going to imdb
  324. # [08:46] <antonkovalyov> i guess they are all flash and i have flashblock :)
  325. # [08:46] * Quits: jacine (~jacine@drupal.org/user/88931/view) (Quit: buh bye :))
  326. # [08:46] <antonkovalyov> so i don't see 'em
  327. # [08:46] <white_magic> yea, all those ads you see at the top
  328. # [08:46] <white_magic> i would have none in firefox with all the plugins i had
  329. # [08:47] <antonkovalyov> white_magic, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/447925/Screenshots/byzp4v_rldmi.png
  330. # [08:47] <white_magic> do you block all flash content?
  331. # [08:47] <white_magic> or on a per-site basis or some other?
  332. # [08:48] <white_magic> i think in ff, noscript was the best for this kind of purpose
  333. # [08:48] <antonkovalyov> all by default but i have a few sites on whitelist
  334. # [08:48] <white_magic> for example, a site like imdb doesn't even need flash
  335. # [08:48] <white_magic> so i would just disable flash for the entire site
  336. # [08:48] <antonkovalyov> in safari, etc. i don't have flash installed at all
  337. # [08:48] <white_magic> that must make youtube extra special, then
  338. # [08:49] <antonkovalyov> it is just that chrome is bundled i figured out it is always nice to have a browser with flash just in case
  339. # [08:49] <white_magic> hey, someone told me that safari works faster than chrome on osx, is that true?
  340. # [08:49] <antonkovalyov> like if you'll go to google's very own analytics product *cough*
  341. # [08:49] <white_magic> eh?
  342. # [08:50] <white_magic> it's just a mac fanboy that told me that. i don't really care either way since i dont use macs so much
  343. # [08:50] <white_magic> but i suppose it would make sense that apple's own browser would fastest on their OS
  344. # [08:50] <antonkovalyov> google analytics dashboard does not work without flash
  345. # [08:50] <antonkovalyov> safari is slooooow
  346. # [08:50] <white_magic> aha
  347. # [08:50] <antonkovalyov> not in terms of rendering
  348. # [08:50] <antonkovalyov> in terms of general usage
  349. # [08:51] <antonkovalyov> rendering and js is fast there
  350. # [08:51] <white_magic> yea i guess its html5 rendering is better than chrome's on osx?
  351. # [08:52] <antonkovalyov> html5 rendering?
  352. # [08:53] <white_magic> you know, the drawing objects in html5?
  353. # [08:53] <white_magic> i don't know the terminology, sorry
  354. # [08:54] <antonkovalyov> oh graphics
  355. # [08:55] <antonkovalyov> i haven't really benchmarked that so i can't say
  356. # [08:55] <antonkovalyov> btw, paul_irish how much was prev years jsconf?
  357. # [08:55] <antonkovalyov> so many conferences this spring
  358. # [08:55] <antonkovalyov> need to figure out where to go :)
  359. # [08:55] <paul_irish> <150 maybe
  360. # [08:56] <antonkovalyov> sweet
  361. # [08:59] * Joins: Wooboy (~simon@85.201.235.2)
  362. # [09:03] * Joins: chromate (~chromate@cpe-76-166-202-35.socal.res.rr.com)
  363. # [09:20] * Joins: mikew3c (~MikeSmith@EM114-48-153-168.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  364. # [09:22] * Joins: Brodingo (~Brodingo@cpe-70-116-9-4.austin.res.rr.com)
  365. # [09:22] * Joins: alrra (592f527d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.47.82.125)
  366. # [09:32] * Quits: mikew3c (~MikeSmith@EM114-48-153-168.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Quit: mikew3c)
  367. # [09:32] * Quits: chromate (~chromate@cpe-76-166-202-35.socal.res.rr.com) (Quit: chromate)
  368. # [09:34] * Joins: gasbakid__ (~gasbakid@41.96.43.77)
  369. # [09:34] * Quits: Wooboy (~simon@85.201.235.2) (Quit: Quitte)
  370. # [09:34] * Quits: uokesita (~uokesita@190.73.33.103) (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)
  371. # [09:37] * Quits: gasbakid__ (~gasbakid@41.96.43.77) (Max SendQ exceeded)
  372. # [09:43] * Joins: gasbakid__ (~gasbakid@41.96.43.77)
  373. # [09:47] * Quits: antonkovalyov (~antonkova@adsl-75-18-218-45.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: Leaving...)
  374. # [09:48] * Joins: mikew3c (~MikeSmith@p3242-ipbf6108marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp)
  375. # [09:59] * Quits: peol (~andree@unaffiliated/peol) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  376. # [09:59] * Quits: white_magic (~white_mag@mceachern-wired-gw.resnet.wsu.edu)
  377. # [10:14] * Joins: peol (~andree@h55eb1e56.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net)
  378. # [10:14] * Quits: peol (~andree@h55eb1e56.selukra.dyn.perspektivbredband.net) (Changing host)
  379. # [10:14] * Joins: peol (~andree@unaffiliated/peol)
  380. # [10:25] * Joins: jetienne (~jerome@ivr94-6-82-230-255-246.fbx.proxad.net)
  381. # [10:27] * Parts: gilmoreorless (~gilmoreor@124-169-130-102.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  382. # [10:29] * Joins: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.181.240.75)
  383. # [10:32] * Quits: Brodingo (~Brodingo@cpe-70-116-9-4.austin.res.rr.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  384. # [10:42] * Quits: gasbakid__ (~gasbakid@41.96.43.77) (Quit: Quitte)
  385. # [10:43] * Joins: antonkovalyov (~antonkova@adsl-75-18-218-45.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
  386. # [10:43] * Joins: gasbakid (~gasbakid@41.96.43.77)
  387. # [10:49] * Quits: thatryan (~thatryan@c-71-202-1-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Leaving...)
  388. # [10:55] * Joins: DesignerGuy2 (~anonymous@69.199.147.49)
  389. # [10:55] <DesignerGuy2> howdy
  390. # [11:08] * Quits: Killman (~Killman@unaffiliated/killman) (Quit: Zzzzzzzz)
  391. # [11:21] * Joins: mokush (~quassel@188.24.42.76)
  392. # [11:21] * Joins: matjas (~matjas@91.182.216.126)
  393. # [11:32] <antonkovalyov> yo
  394. # [11:34] * Parts: DesignerGuy2 (~anonymous@69.199.147.49)
  395. # [11:43] * Joins: alrra_ (~alrra@89.47.82.125)
  396. # [11:43] * Quits: alrra (592f527d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.47.82.125) (Quit: Page closed)
  397. # [11:44] * alrra_ is now known as alrra
  398. # [11:49] * Quits: alrra (~alrra@89.47.82.125) (Quit: Leaving)
  399. # [11:49] <antonkovalyov> everytime somebody tweets about their cr-48 i am so fucking jealous
  400. # [11:53] <mikesusz> i saw one the other day
  401. # [11:53] <mikesusz> do they make that distro available anywhere?
  402. # [11:53] <mikew3c> antonkovalyov: so ask somebody at google to have them send you one
  403. # [11:53] * Quits: antonkovalyov (~antonkova@adsl-75-18-218-45.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)
  404. # [11:54] * Joins: antonkovalyov (~antonkova@adsl-75-18-218-45.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
  405. # [11:54] <mikesusz> was it something we said?
  406. # [11:54] <antonkovalyov> :)
  407. # [11:54] <antonkovalyov> mikew3c, i don't think that works that way
  408. # [11:55] <antonkovalyov> also i feel bad asking google
  409. # [11:55] <antonkovalyov> they sent too much free stuff to me already
  410. # [11:59] <mikew3c> well
  411. # [11:59] <mikew3c> they have a good reason for sending machines out to people
  412. # [11:59] <mikew3c> they get really useful info/data back
  413. # [12:00] <mikew3c> it's not like they're not throwing money away
  414. # [12:01] <mikesusz> yeah it seems more like crowdsourcing development & testing :)
  415. # [12:01] * Joins: alrra (592f527d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.47.82.125)
  416. # [12:01] * Quits: codetonowhere (~Adium@78-105-3-181.zone3.bethere.co.uk) (Quit: Leaving.)
  417. # [12:06] * Joins: henrikkok (~henrikkok@3306ds3-amb.0.fullrate.dk)
  418. # [12:13] * Joins: sean` (~Sean@D97A9F8D.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  419. # [12:13] * Quits: sean` (~Sean@D97A9F8D.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) (Changing host)
  420. # [12:13] * Joins: sean` (~Sean@unaffiliated/sean/x-7291292)
  421. # [12:16] * Joins: codetonowhere (~Adium@78-105-3-181.zone3.bethere.co.uk)
  422. # [12:20] * Quits: mr_daniel (~irssi@g224127037.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  423. # [12:25] * Joins: mr_daniel (~irssi@f054055233.adsl.alicedsl.de)
  424. # [12:25] * Joins: ron_frown (~ron_frown@71-84-18-23.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com)
  425. # [12:33] <peol> http://twitter.com/#!/befreax/status/23147779211657217 --- oh, snap :)
  426. # [12:34] <antonkovalyov> i don't get the joke about text
  427. # [12:35] * Quits: alrra (592f527d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.47.82.125) (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
  428. # [12:35] <peol> Android is having serious issues with texts not being sent, or being sent to the wrong contacts, etc.
  429. # [12:35] <sean`> haha
  430. # [12:36] * Joins: Noxxy (Noxxy@adsl-93-90-217.owb.bellsouth.net)
  431. # [12:37] <antonkovalyov> oh wow
  432. # [12:47] * Quits: Noxxy (Noxxy@adsl-93-90-217.owb.bellsouth.net) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  433. # [12:52] * Quits: chipotle (~chipotle@209-6-67-222.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com) (Quit: eat a burrito)
  434. # [12:53] <craigbarnes> "also i feel bad asking google - they sent too much free stuff to me already"
  435. # [12:53] <craigbarnes> Google must be doing an awesome job of marketing
  436. # [12:54] <craigbarnes> people even feel indebted to them lol
  437. # [12:56] <mikew3c> I wish that SMS and texting would die off already
  438. # [12:56] <mikew3c> that would be the real solution to the problem
  439. # [12:56] <mikew3c> SMS is broken by design
  440. # [12:57] <antonkovalyov> craigbarnes, :)
  441. # [12:57] <antonkovalyov> mikew3c, and what would be an alternative to sms?
  442. # [12:59] <mikew3c> smtp
  443. # [13:00] <craigbarnes> but then networks lose a lot of control
  444. # [13:00] <craigbarnes> and can't charge you per SMS
  445. # [13:00] <craigbarnes> or special rates
  446. # [13:00] <mikew3c> indeed
  447. # [13:02] <craigbarnes> you can already use smtp now - just some less-than-tech-savvy people chose not to
  448. # [13:02] <craigbarnes> because SMS is idiot proof
  449. # [13:02] <craigbarnes> or atleast it was before the Android bug :P
  450. # [13:03] <sean`> sms is losing control anyway
  451. # [13:04] <craigbarnes> no doubt networks will try to replace it with something else that they can tightly control
  452. # [13:05] <Moo--> peol: it is not a huge issue
  453. # [13:05] <Moo--> peol: it is mostly un-careful users
  454. # [13:06] <craigbarnes> Moo--, which is to say, 99% of users ;)
  455. # [13:06] <antonkovalyov> Moo--, how can you be un-careful with a text message?
  456. # [13:06] <Moo--> antonkovalyov: you don't check which thread you are typing your message
  457. # [13:06] <Moo--> like reading the responder's name
  458. # [13:07] <antonkovalyov> i don't think that classifies as a software bug :)
  459. # [13:07] <Moo--> yeah. I think fatty fingers are the main reason
  460. # [13:08] <Moo--> google should chop off people's fingers and the problem would be solved
  461. # [13:08] <mikew3c> heh
  462. # [13:09] <craigbarnes> Moo--, then they'd have to use stumps
  463. # [13:13] * Joins: mikew3c_ (~MikeSmith@EM111-188-111-247.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp)
  464. # [13:13] * Quits: mikew3c (~MikeSmith@p3242-ipbf6108marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  465. # [13:13] * mikew3c_ is now known as mikew3c
  466. # [13:13] * Quits: antonkovalyov (~antonkova@adsl-75-18-218-45.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: Leaving...)
  467. # [13:18] * Joins: sideshow (~MikeSmith@sideshowbarker.net)
  468. # [13:43] * Quits: mikew3c (~MikeSmith@EM111-188-111-247.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  469. # [13:47] * Joins: lupomontero (~lupomonte@101.Red-80-24-52.staticIP.rima-tde.net)
  470. # [14:01] * Joins: OmNomSequitur (~admin@cpc11-lutn10-2-0-cust102.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com)
  471. # [14:02] * Parts: OmNomSequitur (~admin@cpc11-lutn10-2-0-cust102.9-3.cable.virginmedia.com)
  472. # [14:02] * Joins: Radi (~Radi@ppp079166028191.dsl.hol.gr)
  473. # [14:02] * Joins: johnart^ (~no@80.251.57.9)
  474. # [14:02] * Parts: johnart^ (~no@80.251.57.9)
  475. # [14:04] <Radi> guys, which html version is the standart now ? should i stick to html 4.0 or go for html5
  476. # [14:04] <Radi> ?
  477. # [14:06] <Moo--> Radi: it depends if you know what you are doing
  478. # [14:07] <Moo--> Radi: based on the question, I guess you don't :)
  479. # [14:07] <Moo--> in any case, HTML is not a standard, it is a recommendation AFAIK :)
  480. # [14:08] <Radi> well, im revising html and css atm to see what i miss, but since html5 will replace html4 maybe is a good idea to stick to 5
  481. # [14:08] <Moo--> Radi: IE7 and IE8 won't run html5 or css3
  482. # [14:09] <Radi> yea, thats the problem
  483. # [14:09] <Moo--> Radi: I hope that answered your question
  484. # [14:10] <Radi> it did indeed
  485. # [14:10] <Radi> thanks
  486. # [14:10] <Radi> but are you sure ie8 doesnt ? Oo
  487. # [14:10] <Moo--> Radi: I am 110% sure
  488. # [14:10] <Moo--> Radi: but just in case, I suggest you ask from your Microsoft support desk
  489. # [14:11] <Radi> i have ie8 on one of my virtual machines and will go and try now
  490. # [14:11] <Moo--> Radi: good luck
  491. # [14:14] * Joins: Tolnem (~dlade@87.63.81.70)
  492. # [14:15] <Radi> Moo--, it does have some support,but for me thats a No :P
  493. # [14:15] <Radi> thanks for the tips
  494. # [14:16] <craigbarnes> "html5 will replace html4"?
  495. # [14:16] <craigbarnes> why the future tense?
  496. # [14:16] <craigbarnes> it already has
  497. # [14:17] <craigbarnes> @ Radi
  498. # [14:17] <Radi> craigbarnes, many users dont use the newest versions of browsers
  499. # [14:17] <craigbarnes> Radi: I suggest you do some research - it has absolutely nothing to do with browsers
  500. # [14:18] <craigbarnes> you don't just "use html5"
  501. # [14:18] <craigbarnes> HTML is now "versionless"
  502. # [14:18] <Moo--> craigbarnes: he seeks answers, not understanding
  503. # [14:19] <Moo--> craigbarnes: don't confuse poor web developer :)
  504. # [14:19] <Radi> Moo--, hey :P everybody starts from somewhere
  505. # [14:29] * Joins: svnlto (~svnlto@ppp-93-104-5-215.dynamic.mnet-online.de)
  506. # [14:46] * Joins: Thasmo (~thasmo@d86-32-70-80.cust.tele2.at)
  507. # [14:53] * Quits: craigbarnes (~craigbarn@unaffiliated/craigbarnes) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  508. # [14:56] * Joins: fabiodan (~fabiodan@186.220.133.160)
  509. # [14:57] * MadRat is now known as MadRat-
  510. # [14:59] * Joins: nohk (~nohk@e180101113.adsl.alicedsl.de)
  511. # [15:00] * Quits: fabiodan (~fabiodan@186.220.133.160) (Client Quit)
  512. # [15:00] * Quits: nohk (~nohk@e180101113.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Client Quit)
  513. # [15:06] * Joins: craigbarnes (~craigbarn@unaffiliated/craigbarnes)
  514. # [15:20] * Quits: jetienne (~jerome@ivr94-6-82-230-255-246.fbx.proxad.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  515. # [15:29] * Joins: hubble (~hubble@216-80-69-33.c3-0.nwb-bsr1.chi-nwb.il.cable.rcn.com)
  516. # [15:37] * Quits: codetonowhere (~Adium@78-105-3-181.zone3.bethere.co.uk) (Quit: Leaving.)
  517. # [15:43] * Quits: gasbakid (~gasbakid@41.96.43.77) (Remote host closed the connection)
  518. # [15:47] * Joins: mokush_ (~quassel@188.24.43.189)
  519. # [15:50] * Quits: mokush (~quassel@188.24.42.76) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  520. # [15:52] * Joins: alrra (592f527d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.47.82.125)
  521. # [16:14] * Joins: addyosmani (~apple@host109-154-37-154.range109-154.btcentralplus.com)
  522. # [16:29] * Quits: craigbarnes (~craigbarn@unaffiliated/craigbarnes) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  523. # [16:31] * Joins: dilvie (~chatzilla@c-76-18-50-62.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
  524. # [16:33] * Quits: addyosmani (~apple@host109-154-37-154.range109-154.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: addyosmani)
  525. # [16:38] * Joins: addyosmani (~apple@host109-154-37-154.range109-154.btcentralplus.com)
  526. # [16:42] * Joins: craigbarnes (~craigbarn@unaffiliated/craigbarnes)
  527. # [16:52] * Parts: hubble (~hubble@216-80-69-33.c3-0.nwb-bsr1.chi-nwb.il.cable.rcn.com)
  528. # [17:11] * Joins: jetienne (~jerome@ivr94-6-82-230-255-246.fbx.proxad.net)
  529. # [17:15] * Quits: sean` (~Sean@unaffiliated/sean/x-7291292) (Quit: Leaving)
  530. # [17:22] * Joins: SnApO (~SnApO@84-73-225-241.dclient.hispeed.ch)
  531. # [17:23] * Joins: dennisfile (47ae3b25@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.174.59.37)
  532. # [17:23] <SnApO> Hi all, i want to develope a html5 multiplayer game that is able to run on firefox 3.6 and google chrome...
  533. # [17:23] <SnApO> the game already run with canvas
  534. # [17:23] * Joins: masondesu (~masondesu@c-76-107-156-58.hsd1.ms.comcast.net)
  535. # [17:23] * Quits: mokush_ (~quassel@188.24.43.189) (Remote host closed the connection)
  536. # [17:24] <SnApO> but now i need to get the X and Y axis from the players
  537. # [17:24] <SnApO> what can i use without websocket
  538. # [17:28] * Quits: craigbarnes (~craigbarn@unaffiliated/craigbarnes) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  539. # [17:33] * Joins: sean` (~Sean@D97A9F8D.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  540. # [17:33] * Quits: sean` (~Sean@D97A9F8D.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) (Changing host)
  541. # [17:33] * Joins: sean` (~Sean@unaffiliated/sean/x-7291292)
  542. # [17:35] <danielfilho> here I am, on a sunny saturday, alone in the whole building.
  543. # [17:35] <danielfilho> not alone. there are two guys making a hell of a noise beside me, 2 meters. changing the AC.
  544. # [17:38] * Joins: Trisox (Trisox@g31044.upc-g.chello.nl)
  545. # [17:38] * Joins: mokush (~mokush@188.24.43.189)
  546. # [17:40] * Joins: chipotle (~chipotle@209-6-67-222.c3-0.abr-ubr1.sbo-abr.ma.cable.rcn.com)
  547. # [17:50] * Joins: craigbarnes (~craigbarn@unaffiliated/craigbarnes)
  548. # [17:53] <Moo--> SnApO: comet
  549. # [17:53] <Moo--> SnApO: it emulates socket over http
  550. # [17:54] * Quits: jetienne (~jerome@ivr94-6-82-230-255-246.fbx.proxad.net) (Remote host closed the connection)
  551. # [17:55] <SnApO> Moo--, thanks will take a look on it
  552. # [17:55] <SnApO> one gameround is about 1-30 Minutes
  553. # [17:55] * Quits: frederich (~unitone@unaffiliated/unitone) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  554. # [17:55] <Moo--> SnApO: only the latency matters
  555. # [17:56] <Moo--> it will be high and unsuitable for real-time games
  556. # [17:56] <SnApO> its a real time game ;(
  557. # [17:56] <Moo--> SnApO: then use flash sockets
  558. # [17:56] <SnApO> are there other solutions? then comet
  559. # [17:56] <SnApO> not every one has flash installed ... thats the problem
  560. # [17:56] <SnApO> ;(
  561. # [17:57] <SnApO> it should run in a FF 3.6 browser without extensions
  562. # [17:57] <Moo--> http://matthaynes.net/blog/2008/07/17/socketbridge-flash-javascript-socket-bridge/
  563. # [17:57] <Moo--> SnApO: then you don't do it
  564. # [17:57] <Moo--> that simple is it
  565. # [17:57] <Moo--> you cannot have requirements which cannot be achieved
  566. # [17:58] <SnApO> ;( I/O xhr?
  567. # [17:58] <Moo--> SnApO: comet is long polling xhr
  568. # [17:59] <SnApO> hmm ok
  569. # [18:03] * Quits: retlehs (~ben@hypetreatment.com) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  570. # [18:04] * Joins: retlehs (~ben@hypetreatment.com)
  571. # [18:07] * Quits: dguttman (~dguttman@rrcs-24-43-25-203.west.biz.rr.com) (Read error: Connection timed out)
  572. # [18:08] * Joins: dguttman (~dguttman@rrcs-24-43-25-203.west.biz.rr.com)
  573. # [18:10] * Joins: patcito (~123@190.42.254.172)
  574. # [18:11] <mokush> what's the html5 web developer ringtone?
  575. # [18:11] * Quits: henrikkok (~henrikkok@3306ds3-amb.0.fullrate.dk) (Quit: Leaving.)
  576. # [18:12] * Quits: masondesu (~masondesu@c-76-107-156-58.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) (Quit: masondesu)
  577. # [18:13] * Joins: Brodingo (~Brodingo@cpe-70-116-9-4.austin.res.rr.com)
  578. # [18:15] * Joins: dmachi1 (~dmachi@pool-71-254-65-178.ronkva.east.verizon.net)
  579. # [18:15] * Quits: dmachi (~dmachi@pool-71-254-65-178.ronkva.east.verizon.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  580. # [18:18] * Joins: matjas_ (~matjas@91.182.216.126)
  581. # [18:21] * Quits: matjas (~matjas@91.182.216.126) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  582. # [18:21] * matjas_ is now known as matjas
  583. # [18:21] * Joins: Jayflux (~jay_knows@cpc3-dudl6-0-0-cust14.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com)
  584. # [18:24] * Quits: dennisfile (47ae3b25@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.174.59.37) (Quit: Page closed)
  585. # [18:26] * Joins: exp (~zAyghip8@cpc2-ely02-0-0-cust338.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com)
  586. # [18:27] * Joins: MattDiPasquale (~MattDiPas@rrcs-184-74-229-10.nyc.biz.rr.com)
  587. # [18:33] * Joins: expilicious (~zAyghip8@host86-132-134-186.range86-132.btcentralplus.com)
  588. # [18:38] * Quits: exp (~zAyghip8@cpc2-ely02-0-0-cust338.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
  589. # [18:45] * Quits: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.181.240.75) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  590. # [18:48] * Joins: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.181.240.75)
  591. # [18:53] * Joins: exp (~zAyghip8@cpc2-ely02-0-0-cust338.5-1.cable.virginmedia.com)
  592. # [18:57] * Quits: expilicious (~zAyghip8@host86-132-134-186.range86-132.btcentralplus.com) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  593. # [19:05] * Joins: Killman (~Killman@186.3.10.7)
  594. # [19:05] * Killman is now known as Guest83049
  595. # [19:05] * Quits: Guest83049 (~Killman@186.3.10.7) (Remote host closed the connection)
  596. # [19:06] * Joins: Killman (~Killman@unaffiliated/killman)
  597. # [19:06] * Quits: mokush (~mokush@188.24.43.189) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  598. # [19:08] * Joins: masondesu (~masondesu@c-76-107-156-58.hsd1.ms.comcast.net)
  599. # [19:13] * Joins: jochen___ (~jochen@nat/google/x-hjlfwqkvgbcmjigt)
  600. # [19:14] * Joins: jgv (~jgv@184.152.75.83)
  601. # [19:18] * jgv is now known as jgv_
  602. # [19:19] * jgv_ is now known as jgv
  603. # [19:21] * Joins: snover (~Adium@unaffiliated/snover)
  604. # [19:23] * Quits: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.181.240.75) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  605. # [19:26] * Joins: _1 (~unitone@unitone.name)
  606. # [19:26] * Quits: _1 (~unitone@unitone.name) (Changing host)
  607. # [19:26] * Joins: _1 (~unitone@unaffiliated/unitone)
  608. # [19:26] * Joins: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.181.240.75)
  609. # [19:28] * Joins: Bass10 (~Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
  610. # [19:29] * Quits: Brodingo (~Brodingo@cpe-70-116-9-4.austin.res.rr.com) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  611. # [19:30] * Quits: Bass10 (~Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) (Max SendQ exceeded)
  612. # [19:30] * Joins: Bass10 (Bass10@c-76-113-194-7.hsd1.mn.comcast.net)
  613. # [19:35] * Quits: matjas (~matjas@91.182.216.126) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  614. # [19:41] * Quits: MattDiPasquale (~MattDiPas@rrcs-184-74-229-10.nyc.biz.rr.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  615. # [19:42] * Joins: mokush (~mokush@188.24.43.189)
  616. # [19:48] * Joins: mike (~miketaylr@user-160vrg5.cable.mindspring.com)
  617. # [19:49] * mike is now known as Guest76215
  618. # [19:49] * Guest76215 is now known as miketaylr
  619. # [19:54] * Joins: thatryan (~thatryan@c-71-202-1-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  620. # [20:00] * Joins: leandro (~Leandro@186.213.232.58)
  621. # [20:01] * Joins: tw2113 (~tw2113@fedora/tw2113)
  622. # [20:03] * Quits: rickard2 (~rickard@netra.esec.du.se) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  623. # [20:04] * Joins: hubble (~hubble@adsl-69-209-200-62.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net)
  624. # [20:04] * Quits: hubble (~hubble@adsl-69-209-200-62.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) (Quit: hubble)
  625. # [20:04] * Joins: rickard2 (~rickard@netra.esec.du.se)
  626. # [20:07] * Joins: jeffszusz (~jeffszusz@dyn216-8-170-154.ADSL.mnsi.net)
  627. # [20:10] * Quits: mahemoff_ (~mahemoff@74.125.121.33) (Quit: mahemoff_)
  628. # [20:11] * Joins: mahemoff (~mahemoff@87-194-3-205.bethere.co.uk)
  629. # [20:13] * Joins: mahemoff_ (~mahemoff@74.125.121.33)
  630. # [20:13] * Quits: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.181.240.75) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  631. # [20:14] * Joins: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.181.240.75)
  632. # [20:15] * Quits: mahemoff (~mahemoff@87-194-3-205.bethere.co.uk) (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
  633. # [20:17] * Quits: leandro (~Leandro@186.213.232.58) (Quit: Saindo)
  634. # [20:20] * Joins: mokush_ (~mokush@188.24.25.58)
  635. # [20:21] * Quits: mokush_ (~mokush@188.24.25.58) (Read error: Operation timed out)
  636. # [20:22] * Quits: mokush (~mokush@188.24.43.189) (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)
  637. # [20:25] * Joins: mokush_ (~mokush@188.24.25.58)
  638. # [20:28] * Quits: jeffszusz (~jeffszusz@dyn216-8-170-154.ADSL.mnsi.net) (*.net *.split)
  639. # [20:28] * Quits: rickard2 (~rickard@netra.esec.du.se) (*.net *.split)
  640. # [20:28] * Quits: tty234 (telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-soilcxccbhgmpanl) (*.net *.split)
  641. # [20:28] * Quits: kurrent (~spam@unaffiliated/kurrent) (*.net *.split)
  642. # [20:28] * Quits: sideshow (~MikeSmith@sideshowbarker.net) (*.net *.split)
  643. # [20:28] * Quits: PrgmrBill (~cobracmdr@unaffiliated/prgmrbill) (*.net *.split)
  644. # [20:29] * Joins: tty234 (telex@gateway/shell/anapnea.net/x-lshdgyuoazvqupqk)
  645. # [20:29] * Joins: jeffszusz (~jeffszusz@dyn216-8-170-154.ADSL.mnsi.net)
  646. # [20:29] * Joins: rickard2 (~rickard@netra.esec.du.se)
  647. # [20:29] * Joins: sideshow (~MikeSmith@sideshowbarker.net)
  648. # [20:29] * Joins: kurrent (~spam@unaffiliated/kurrent)
  649. # [20:29] * Joins: PrgmrBill (~cobracmdr@unaffiliated/prgmrbill)
  650. # [20:31] * Quits: Ms2ger (~Ms2ger@91.181.240.75) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  651. # [20:32] * Quits: miketaylr (~miketaylr@user-160vrg5.cable.mindspring.com) (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0)
  652. # [20:34] * Quits: ron_frown (~ron_frown@71-84-18-23.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com) (Quit: ron_frown)
  653. # [20:38] * Quits: peol (~andree@unaffiliated/peol) (Quit: peol)
  654. # [20:40] * Quits: craigbarnes (~craigbarn@unaffiliated/craigbarnes) (Quit: sleep)
  655. # [20:48] <danielfilho> ok, I'm unsubscribing ajaxian. Dude, that just became a PURE and genuine crap.
  656. # [20:51] * Joins: LongBeach (~mike@AFontenayssB-152-1-50-215.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr)
  657. # [20:51] <paul_irish> howso
  658. # [20:51] <paul_irish> ?g ajaxian
  659. # [20:51] <bot-t> paul_irish, Ajaxian - http://ajaxian.com/
  660. # [20:52] <paul_irish> jvaughn really does suck at making a good post.
  661. # [20:59] * Joins: techrush (~techrush@75.4.203.46)
  662. # [20:59] <masondesu> what do you guys think of stuff like PHP mobile detect? http://code.google.com/p/php-mobile-detect/
  663. # [20:59] <masondesu> I was looked for a respectable way to send mobile safari to a jQTouch page
  664. # [20:59] <masondesu> *looking
  665. # [21:02] <Moo--> masondesu: if you are looking a way to send mobile safari then that's ok
  666. # [21:02] <Moo--> masondesu: if you want to consider all handsets then it might not be
  667. # [21:02] <Moo--> that snippet does not cover nokia devices so it must be very US centric
  668. # [21:02] * Joins: ron_frown (~ron_frown@71-84-18-23.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com)
  669. # [21:03] * Quits: ron_frown (~ron_frown@71-84-18-23.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com) (Client Quit)
  670. # [21:03] <masondesu> cool, thanks man.
  671. # [21:03] * Joins: ron_frown (~ron_frown@71-84-18-23.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com)
  672. # [21:03] <Moo--> this will also give you a decet snippet
  673. # [21:03] <Moo--> masondesu: http://detectmobilebrowser.com/
  674. # [21:04] * Quits: ron_frown (~ron_frown@71-84-18-23.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com) (Client Quit)
  675. # [21:04] <Moo--> and regex works on non-PHP solutions also
  676. # [21:04] <paul_irish> masondesu: you should probably use WUFRL
  677. # [21:04] * Quits: ben_c (~Adium@cpc3-brig17-2-0-cust939.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: Leaving.)
  678. # [21:04] <paul_irish> it is THE library for mobile device detection
  679. # [21:04] <Moo--> paul_irish: Wurfl is not that good of mobile detection, though it is good at extracting mobie phone properties
  680. # [21:04] <paul_irish> reallly
  681. # [21:04] <paul_irish> ?
  682. # [21:04] <Moo--> paul_irish: with wurfl you might get false positives
  683. # [21:04] <Moo--> been there, done that
  684. # [21:04] * paul_irish hasnt used it but it seems respected.
  685. # [21:04] <Moo--> :<
  686. # [21:04] <paul_irish> wow.
  687. # [21:04] <paul_irish> okay well then!
  688. # [21:05] <Moo--> for simple mobile redirects, (no img resize), that reg exp is enough
  689. # [21:05] <Moo--> and you can drop it all the way down to apache or varnish confs
  690. # [21:05] <Moo--> also, doing fuzzy match over database of string is not that fun
  691. # [21:06] <Moo--> actually people at mobilejoomla.com forums are complaining because wurfl does not work on their free crappy hosting (tm) (godaddy)
  692. # [21:06] <Moo--> because wurfl db simple takes too much of their precius sql space
  693. # [21:08] <masondesu> I have my header.php setup to import jqtouch if PHP mobile detect sees iOS, in which case the index file will also load an html structure suited to jQTouch
  694. # [21:09] <masondesu> that seemed better than taking the user to a totally new page, I guess?
  695. # [21:09] <Moo--> masondesu: it depends how your web site is build
  696. # [21:09] <Moo--> masondesu: if you are doing barebone PHP and not using any framework I am not the best person to comment as I wouldn't do that in the first place :)
  697. # [21:10] <Moo--> masondesu: but for the future, if you can easily roll out web and mobile versions from the same codebase it makes your code maintaining job easier
  698. # [21:11] <masondesu> forgot to mention its a mega-hacked-up wordpress
  699. # [21:11] * Joins: mahemoff (~mahemoff@87-194-3-205.bethere.co.uk)
  700. # [21:12] <danielfilho> oops
  701. # [21:12] <danielfilho> We use wurfl here
  702. # [21:13] <danielfilho> it tottally works.
  703. # [21:13] <danielfilho> we've made a layer on the Varnish (a C plugin) that checks the user-agent.
  704. # [21:13] <danielfilho> it's fast.
  705. # [21:13] <danielfilho> but we still improving it.
  706. # [21:14] * Quits: tw2113 (~tw2113@fedora/tw2113) (Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.)
  707. # [21:15] * Quits: mahemoff_ (~mahemoff@74.125.121.33) (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
  708. # [21:15] * Quits: mahemoff (~mahemoff@87-194-3-205.bethere.co.uk) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  709. # [21:22] * Quits: addyosmani (~apple@host109-154-37-154.range109-154.btcentralplus.com) (Quit: addyosmani)
  710. # [21:25] * Joins: addyosmani (~apple@host109-154-37-154.range109-154.btcentralplus.com)
  711. # [21:25] * Quits: burg (~burg@unaffiliated/burg) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  712. # [21:25] * Quits: addyosmani (~apple@host109-154-37-154.range109-154.btcentralplus.com) (Client Quit)
  713. # [21:28] * Joins: jacine (~jacine@drupal.org/user/88931/view)
  714. # [21:28] * Quits: Jayflux (~jay_knows@cpc3-dudl6-0-0-cust14.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com ))
  715. # [21:33] * Joins: ben_c (~Adium@cpc3-brig17-2-0-cust939.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com)
  716. # [21:55] * Joins: Brodingo (~Brodingo@cpe-70-116-9-4.austin.res.rr.com)
  717. # [22:03] * paul_irish is now known as paul_irish_
  718. # [22:03] * Joins: Mussious (~kamil@dgi201.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl)
  719. # [22:04] * Joins: JKarsrud (~JKarsrud@178.74.13.40)
  720. # [22:05] * Joins: hubble (~hubble@adsl-69-209-200-62.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net)
  721. # [22:22] * Quits: mr_daniel (~irssi@f054055233.adsl.alicedsl.de) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
  722. # [22:23] * Joins: Noxxy (Noxxy@adsl-93-90-217.owb.bellsouth.net)
  723. # [22:23] <Noxxy> Is it odd to anyone else that we aren't supposed to use section as a container?
  724. # [22:24] * Joins: mr_daniel (~irssi@d223208.adsl.hansenet.de)
  725. # [22:27] * Quits: Brodingo (~Brodingo@cpe-70-116-9-4.austin.res.rr.com) (Remote host closed the connection)
  726. # [22:33] <JKarsrud> well, it is just a section of content
  727. # [22:36] <JKarsrud> so it's a container for content
  728. # [22:39] <Noxxy> yeah.
  729. # [22:39] <Noxxy> I just find it odd the spec tells us not to use it as someone would first think to use it.
  730. # [22:39] * Quits: masondesu (~masondesu@c-76-107-156-58.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) (Quit: masondesu)
  731. # [22:40] <Noxxy> Either way would still be valid obviously, it just comes down to 'best practices'... which aren't really there for html5 yet.
  732. # [22:43] * Parts: lupomontero (~lupomonte@101.Red-80-24-52.staticIP.rima-tde.net) ("Leaving...")
  733. # [22:47] * Joins: Ramosa (Ramosa@unaffiliated/harald/x-000000001)
  734. # [22:48] <danielfilho> I don't think we shouldn
  735. # [22:48] <danielfilho> I don't think we shouldn't use as container.
  736. # [22:48] <danielfilho> wait
  737. # [22:48] <danielfilho> I think we shouln't use as container.
  738. # [22:48] <danielfilho> better now.
  739. # [22:49] <danielfilho> it's best in a semantic way to use section for content, not for "layouting".
  740. # [22:49] <Noxxy> its strange, after years of being taught that as the common practice lol.
  741. # [22:49] <danielfilho> i see
  742. # [22:50] <Noxxy> in some cases its warrented though, for instance having a container holding a main box and then a footer underneath that.
  743. # [22:50] <Noxxy> i guess its a situation where you do as you see fit. If you can justify using it, go for it.
  744. # [22:50] <sean`> Noxxy, you mean like <section> in terms of <div id="container"> followed by entier website?
  745. # [22:50] <Noxxy> Mhm.
  746. # [22:51] <sean`> note that sections aren't a substitute for div
  747. # [22:51] <sean`> er.. I mean like, they're not there to make div dissapear
  748. # [22:51] <Noxxy> I assumed we would be replacing our 'container/main' divs with sections, but then I actually broke down and read the spec lol.
  749. # [22:51] <sean`> and regarding semantics, it'd make no sense
  750. # [22:51] <sean`> 'cause you'd have a website section
  751. # [22:52] <sean`> and that makes no sense
  752. # [22:52] <Noxxy> truthfully i'm just rambling and thinking outloud. i just thought of this ten minutes ago or so ha.
  753. # [22:52] <sean`> yeah
  754. # [22:52] <sean`> I think we all thought about it
  755. # [22:54] <Noxxy> it's a little troublesome to see that I constantly need to look back at the spec and see what I'm allowed to do with the new stuff. Things that are replacing older things, don't work in the same fashion sometimes because of a newly added one.
  756. # [22:54] <Noxxy> and that was a very vague paragraph, sorry ha.
  757. # [22:55] <sean`> well
  758. # [22:55] <sean`> new stuff can be confusing
  759. # [22:55] <sean`> eventually you'll get used to it :p
  760. # [22:55] <sean`> first time I read the specs, I wasn't sure wether an article was supposed to be a sections parent or reverse
  761. # [22:56] <sean`> 'cause a lot of people were advocating that also
  762. # [22:56] * Quits: hubble (~hubble@adsl-69-209-200-62.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: hubble)
  763. # [22:56] <sean`> same as what people do with aside, it's not just to be used for a sidebar, but it can be used anywhere
  764. # [22:57] <Noxxy> yeah, i'm using it for blog post meta data
  765. # [22:57] <sean`> that's not really something that should be aside imo
  766. # [22:57] <sean`> aside means, not relevant to the page
  767. # [22:58] <sean`> so you're actually saying: basically you can ignore me
  768. # [22:58] <JKarsrud> exactly
  769. # [22:58] <Noxxy> Mhmm, thats what I thought too. I didn't put the important meta data in it.
  770. # [22:59] <JKarsrud> but it's related to the content?
  771. # [22:59] * Joins: sean`` (~Sean@D97A9F8D.cm-3-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl)
  772. # [22:59] <Noxxy> slightly, its more of an additional feature. the layout or article itself wouldn't be screwed without it.
  773. # [22:59] * Joins: antonkovalyov (~antonkova@adsl-75-18-218-45.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
  774. # [23:00] <JKarsrud> imo post data shouldn't be in an aside, as it is in a way directly related to the post itself
  775. # [23:02] <Noxxy> what would you use?
  776. # [23:03] * Quits: sean` (~Sean@unaffiliated/sean/x-7291292) (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
  777. # [23:06] * Quits: dguttman (~dguttman@rrcs-24-43-25-203.west.biz.rr.com) (Quit: dguttman)
  778. # [23:07] <sean``> section bro
  779. # [23:07] <sean``> or header
  780. # [23:07] <sean``> or footer
  781. # [23:09] * Quits: Mussious (~kamil@dgi201.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) (Quit: Ex-Chat)
  782. # [23:12] <danielfilho> well... be back tomorrow.
  783. # [23:12] <danielfilho> see you.
  784. # [23:13] * Quits: alrra (592f527d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.47.82.125) (Quit: Page closed)
  785. # [23:14] * Joins: matjas (~matjas@91.182.224.118)
  786. # [23:17] * Joins: ron_frown (~ron_frown@71-84-18-23.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com)
  787. # [23:21] * Joins: tw2113 (~tw2113@fedora/tw2113)
  788. # [23:26] * Joins: croby (~croby@c-24-19-51-159.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)
  789. # [23:26] <croby> are there any known chrome bugs as it relates to local vs. remote audio?
  790. # [23:27] <croby> specifically to do with currentTime
  791. # [23:27] * Joins: y5h (~y5h@116.36.42.122)
  792. # [23:28] <tw2113> ahhh web developer toolbar is in FF4b8
  793. # [23:29] <jgv> croby, http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list?can=2&q=currentTime+audio&colspec=ID+Stars+Pri+Area+Feature+Type+Status+Summary+Modified+Owner+Mstone+OS&x=mstone&y=area&cells=tiles
  794. # [23:30] <croby> jgv thank you - looks like the issue might be known (http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=68135&q=currentTime%20audio&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Pri%20Area%20Feature%20Type%20Status%20Summary%20Modified%20Owner%20Mstone%20OS)
  795. # [23:30] <croby> i'll verify that its the same one
  796. # [23:30] <jgv> is this your bug?
  797. # [23:30] <croby> i think so, i'm checking my headers now
  798. # [23:32] <croby> hmm, headers for .wav files don't show up in the resource browser
  799. # [23:34] * Joins: Killman_ (~Killman@186.3.10.7)
  800. # [23:34] * Killman is now known as Guest60962
  801. # [23:34] * Quits: Killman_ (~Killman@186.3.10.7) (Client Quit)
  802. # [23:35] * Quits: Guest60962 (~Killman@unaffiliated/killman) (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
  803. # [23:35] <croby> okay, FF can give me the headers, looks like I'm getting a 200 from my local file and a 206 from the remote file, the remote file's currentTime setting/playing again is working
  804. # [23:35] * Joins: Killman (~Killman@unaffiliated/killman)
  805. # [23:35] <croby> the local file's isn't
  806. # [23:38] * Quits: ron_frown (~ron_frown@71-84-18-23.dhcp.trlk.ca.charter.com) (Quit: ron_frown)
  807. # [23:43] <Thasmo> Could anybody help me out with an answer/solution to the question if it's better to place the content _above_ all navigation elements? Or is it better to use a similar order of elements in the source as they're displayed?
  808. # [23:44] <Thasmo> For now I'm used to place content above everything and below the main and sub navigation is placed in the source. WIth CSS I position the logo/navigation absolute above the content then.
  809. # [23:46] * Quits: mokush_ (~mokush@188.24.25.58) (Remote host closed the connection)
  810. # [23:48] * Joins: mokush (~quassel@188.24.25.58)
  811. # [23:59] * Quits: matjas (~matjas@91.182.224.118) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  812. # Session Close: Sun Jan 09 00:00:00 2011

The end :)