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# Session Start: Mon Jan 10 00:00:00 2011
# Session Ident: #html5
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# [00:24] <danielfilho> I'd like to know to talk to bot-t
# [00:24] <danielfilho> so I won't feel myself alone anymore.
# [00:24] <alrra> http://bot-t.com/docs/ :P
# [00:24] <danielfilho> ?8ball do you love me, bot-t?
# [00:24] <bot-t> Signs point to yes.
# [00:24] <danielfilho> <3
# [00:25] <danielfilho> g brazilian frontend developer
# [00:25] <danielfilho> ?g brazilian frontend developer
# [00:25] <bot-t> danielfilho, Daniel Filho · Brazilian front-end developer, problem solver and ... - http://danielfilho.info/
# [00:25] <danielfilho> oh, I love you bot-t
# [00:29] <miketaylr> wow, that's awesome seo :D
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# [00:29] <danielfilho> miketaylr: what if I tell you I never meant to do that?
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# [00:29] <miketaylr> hehe
# [00:29] <danielfilho> my analytics pointed those searches. I got surprised and just worked :D
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# [00:35] <danielfilho> my id on skype is my ancient nickname, when ppl didn't used to use real names on internet.
# [00:35] <danielfilho> it is logan_x
# [00:36] <danielfilho> i know i'm not miketaylr but i'm just trying to be part of the talk. hahaha
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# [00:37] <tw2113> i scared him away
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# [00:44] <diggum> can anyone recommend some javascript/webapp architecture/MVC resources? I'm finally trying my hand at a full webapp rather than just inline or function-based javascript and I'm tired of starting over every few days because I feel the app code is not as structured and architected as I think it should be
# [00:49] <danielfilho> tw2113: you stalker.
# [00:49] <danielfilho> :D
# [00:50] <addyosmani> diggum: http://addyosmani.com/blog/large-scale-jquery/
# [00:50] <addyosmani> not all jquery specific
# [00:51] <diggum> thanks. jquery specific is fine right now as I'm using it and jquery mobile
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# [00:52] <diggum> this looks good. I think I may have stumbled across this before, but wasn't ready for it at that time
# [00:53] <danielfilho> faq getJSON
# [00:54] <danielfilho> ?faq getJSON
# [00:54] <bot-t> FAQ: http://docs.jquery.com/FAQ
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# [01:21] <danielfilho> on jquery mobile
# [01:21] <danielfilho> when I turn to landscape the iOS browser
# [01:21] <danielfilho> does it add any class, so I can style it?
# [01:22] <danielfilho> (will look on doc too ;D)
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# [01:24] <diggum> I know it fires an event.
# [01:25] <diggum> dunno about classes
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# [01:34] <ben_c> no need for classes, you've got media queries for orientation ;-)
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# [01:59] <danielfilho> hey remysharp :D
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# [02:01] <remysharp> hi :)
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# [02:05] <thatryan> OMG REMY SHARP!
# [02:05] <thatryan> :p
# [02:08] <tw2113> here i was expecting to see just "rem"
# [02:08] <thatryan> lol
# [02:08] <thatryan> as long as no more pictures... :D
# [02:08] <tw2113> that was Bruce Lawson
# [02:09] <thatryan> both of them
# [02:09] <tw2113> i didn't see any of remy covered by just the book
# [02:10] <thatryan> remy, help me out here lol
# [02:10] <tw2113> anyone need a small code snippet that does doctype sniffing?
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# [02:15] <paul_irish> tw2113: yes
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# [02:16] <tw2113> right now it just does html5 vs everything else vs nothing
# [02:17] <paul_irish> GIMME ALREADY
# [02:17] <tw2113> http://michaelbox.net/nonwordpress/doctypedetection.txt
# [02:18] <tw2113> command+a, command+c. textmate command+o, command+v
# [02:18] <tw2113> wget if you fancy
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# [02:19] <tw2113> change shit around if you need it in javascript
# [02:21] <tw2113> don't like it? fork it!
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# [02:22] <paul_irish> god i knew this would be fucking php
# [02:23] <paul_irish> /kick tw2113
# [02:23] <tw2113> :D
# [02:24] <cgcardona> haha
# [02:24] <tw2113> if anything, take the logic stream
# [02:26] <paul_irish> i might as when $.ajax( window.location.href, function(data){ doctype = data.match(/(!\w.*?\n)/)[1]
# [02:26] <paul_irish> boom boom
# [02:26] <tw2113> there ya go
# [02:29] <tw2113> the preg_matching feels very hacked together for mine, but it works
# [02:29] <danielfilho> found a bug on jquery mobile
# [02:29] <danielfilho> will report it later. try to solve before :D
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# [02:59] <cgcardona> sweet sauce - XSS (Cross Site Scripting) Prevention Cheat Sheet http://www.owasp.org/index.php/XSS_(Cross_Site_Scripting)_Prevention_Cheat_Sheet
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# [04:24] <danielfilho> cant believe i'm going home
# [04:24] <danielfilho> see you guys in 6 hours! :D
# [04:24] <tw2113> smell ya later :D
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# [04:52] <grantg> pual_irish: back
# [04:52] <grantg> I put the entire HTML5 + JS GameBoy Color emulator on GitHub finally - https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/
# [04:53] <tw2113> all you need is the roms for that?
# [04:53] <grantg> yes
# [04:53] <grantg> File API FTW
# [04:54] <tw2113> my first allowance for offline storage
# [04:54] <grantg> I'm almost at 8000 lines of js now in the one file
# [04:54] <tw2113> i'm guessing you're using that for save states?
# [04:54] <grantg> https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/blob/master/js/GameBoyCore.js
# [04:54] <grantg> tw2113: It'll blow through your 5 MB limit easily
# [04:54] <tw2113> most likely
# [04:54] <grantg> You need to jack up the limit to like 50 MB for now
# [04:55] <tw2113> and i still have an original gbc anyway
# [04:55] <grantg> Since these are CPU emulation state freezes
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# [04:55] <grantg> tw2113: This has 99% compatibility.
# [04:55] <grantg> And just fyi, all the gameboy + gameboy color pokemon games work with it. :D
# [04:55] <tw2113> i'll stick to games, if any all, that don't have much reason to save :D
# [04:55] <tw2113> like tetris!
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# [04:55] <tw2113> not so much Metroid 2
# [04:56] <grantg> Runs only fullspeed in firefox 4 so far, because it makes use of audio
# [04:56] <grantg> ad chrome has issues with perf on scaling the canvas
# [04:56] <grantg> *and
# [04:56] <tw2113> if anything, i gave it a watch on github
# [04:57] <grantg> tw2113: nice
# [04:57] <grantg> tw2113: You know it's hosted @ http://www.grantgalitz.org/gameboy/ ?
# [04:57] <grantg> :)
# [04:57] <tw2113> yup
# [04:57] <grantg> Oh, Ill shut up
# [04:57] <grantg> sorry
# [04:57] <grantg> I need to stop being hyper on IRC all the time
# [04:58] <grantg> :/
# [04:58] <tw2113> where else would you be?
# [04:58] <tw2113> in society? overrated
# [04:58] <grantg> heh
# [04:58] <grantg> tw2113: js GBA is WIP right now
# [04:58] <grantg> wait for that to land on GIT
# [04:58] <grantg> hell will break loose
# [05:00] <grantg> tw2113: There IS audio for opera, chrome, safari, and firefox 3.6 that works, and doesn't use any plugins, but is just generally buggy
# [05:00] <grantg> I use a data uri fallback
# [05:01] <tw2113> i won't argue with that
# [05:01] <grantg> I convert my audio buffers to wav pcm binary data, then that into data uris for browsers that don't support webkit audio or mozAudio
# [05:01] <tw2113> and recently went back to FF4b8 at home
# [05:01] <grantg> tw2113: I also found a stack overflow bug in google chrome this way
# [05:01] <grantg> Still hasn't ben patched after 4 months
# [05:01] <grantg> *been
# [05:02] <tw2113> but do they at least know about it?
# [05:02] <grantg> The wav pcm data leaks over memory boundaries
# [05:02] <grantg> tw2113: I reported it long ago
# [05:02] <grantg> 8-bit wav pcm audio crashes chrome the fastest
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# [05:03] <grantg> 16-bit is nefarious in that it doesn't crash it
# [05:03] <grantg> mono and stereo wav pcm
# [05:03] <grantg> codec type 1
# [05:04] <grantg> all major browsers (Except IE9) allow WAV PCM data uris to be used on the Audio js object
# [05:04] <grantg> :/
# [05:05] <tw2113> bastard browser
# [05:06] <grantg> And didn't IE5 support WAV PCM in bgsound?
# [05:06] <grantg> IE, I am disappoint
# [05:06] <grantg> yeah, I clearly remember those shitty geocities sites using bgsound for retarded site music.
# [05:08] <grantg> tw2113: I noticed chrome's V8 is very slow at relative array math
# [05:08] <grantg> Which I use for js-side gfx processing
# [05:09] <grantg> So things like redrawing a sprite that's been invalidated by a palette change seems to take much longer in V8 than in JM for some reason
# [05:09] <grantg> While the CPU core is actually faster in V8
# [05:09] <grantg> go figure
# [05:10] <grantg> tw2113: Did you test it yet?
# [05:10] <tw2113> nope
# [05:10] <grantg> You'll notice it boots up like a real GBC.
# [05:10] <tw2113> not sur i'm going to tonight either, no offense
# [05:10] <grantg> alright
# [05:10] <tw2113> i have some other stuff i need to work on
# [05:10] <grantg> work first. :D
# [05:11] <grantg> tw2113: I'm porting this stuff to java and c++
# [05:11] <grantg> including my gba emu
# [05:11] <grantg> Think I should charge for the iphone version?
# [05:12] <grantg> It's way more accurate the current crap on iOS
# [05:12] <grantg> for one thing it's cycle-accurate
# [05:12] <tw2113> hmm
# [05:12] <tw2113> if you want to, is going to be my answer
# [05:12] <grantg> true
# [05:13] <grantg> The java and c++ ports don't have any of the ported code originally used
# [05:13] <grantg> And the GBA didn't start out with any previously ported code anyhow.
# [05:14] <grantg> But I'll make it free and open source for the js versions
# [05:14] <tw2113> looks like traveling to work tomorrow may be fun...i think we're getting 7inches in a couple days
# [05:14] <grantg> heh
# [05:14] <grantg> still nice and warm in florida
# [05:17] <grantg> tw2113: I'm still not done reading the technical docs on the ARM7TDMI
# [05:17] <grantg> The cpu used in the GBA
# [05:17] <grantg> It's one of those "forever" pdfs
# [05:17] <tw2113> i imagine so
# [05:17] <grantg> It's the pdf on how the entire cpu works, registers, i/o, etc.
# [05:18] <grantg> I also have hundred page docs on GBA I/O
# [05:18] <grantg> And a 298 page technical doc on the GBC's CPU and entire I/O system
# [05:18] <grantg> blueprints FTW
# [05:19] <grantg> tw2113: I should probably make a wiki to help others
# [05:19] <grantg> with doing GBC and GBA
# [05:19] <tw2113> i don't have the knowledge for those tasks :D
# [05:19] <grantg> nah
# [05:19] <grantg> You need the patience
# [05:20] <grantg> Here's a pic of it: http://twitpic.com/3cnl1y
# [05:21] <grantg> And another: http://twitpic.com/3bomcn
# [05:21] <grantg> And of course, pokemon - http://twitpic.com/35zukp
# [05:22] <grantg> Shit just got real. :D
# [05:23] <grantg> It will probably be in may at least when js GBA comes out
# [05:23] <grantg> at least
# [05:23] <grantg> There's a shitload of gfx I need to work on still
# [05:23] <grantg> not to mention the DMA audio shit
# [05:24] <grantg> and optimizing the crap out of it
# [05:24] <grantg> before exposing the web to it
# [05:24] <grantg> And I've been tooling the ARM7TDMI core since last September
# [05:24] <grantg> :/
# [05:25] <tw2113> :P
# [05:26] <grantg> tw2113: Made the GBC emu a facebook app a LONG time ago
# [05:26] <grantg> http://twitpic.com/34wh5n
# [05:27] <tw2113> ;)
# [05:27] <grantg> http://apps.facebook.com/jsgameboy/
# [05:27] <grantg> :D
# [05:27] <grantg> It did just get very real in here. :|
# [05:27] <tw2113> how do you mean?
# [05:28] <grantg> Things that haven't been done before
# [05:28] <tw2113> ah
# [05:28] <tw2113> how is that bad?
# [05:28] <tw2113> isn't that called "innovation" or "progress"
# [05:28] <grantg> first GameBoy Color Emulator in JavaScript, and it has great sound support. :D
# [05:29] <grantg> There are other gameboy emulators in js that I know of, but they suck a lot in that they're very incomplete and get a shitload wrong (and don't have audio).
# [05:29] <grantg> And they only have like 1% compat
# [05:30] <grantg> sorry, I'll shut up
# [05:30] <tw2113> i'm just admittedly distracted by a blogpost i need to type up :P
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# [05:32] <grantg> lol
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# [05:49] <grantg> brb
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# [05:59] <tw2113> now to wait for a couple more parts before i can schedule that blogpost to be live
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# [06:22] <thatryan> is flash part of html5
# [06:22] <thatryan> ;D
# [06:22] * tw2113 slap with rotten bacon
# [06:23] <thatryan> lol
# [06:23] <thatryan> mmmm
# [06:23] <tw2113> flash is part of htmlYourMother
# [06:23] <thatryan> lol i hate that spec
# [06:24] <tw2113> a real bitch?
# [06:24] <tw2113> jk thatryan's mom
# [06:24] <thatryan> ha
# [06:24] <thatryan> ass
# [06:24] <thatryan> ;)
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# [07:19] <tw2113> cgcardona this was my best attempt at a completely self-started fedora theme that i had http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon
# [07:19] <cgcardona> sweetness
# [07:19] <cgcardona> nice work
# [07:20] <tw2113> it only got 5 votes though :(
# [07:22] <cgcardona> bummer
# [07:22] <cgcardona> i just signed up for a free year of EC2
# [07:22] <tw2113> are you part of the MDN?
# [07:23] <cgcardona> no
# [07:23] <cgcardona> why?
# [07:23] <tw2113> i joined this weekend, was just curious
# [07:23] <tw2113> just to make sure, you know what it is right?
# [07:23] <cgcardona> i could be misreading the accronym - microsoft developer network?
# [07:23] <tw2113> no
# [07:23] <tw2113> mozilla
# [07:23] <cgcardona> facepalm
# [07:24] <tw2113> microsoft would use MS
# [07:24] <cgcardona> good point
# [07:24] <cgcardona> moz dev network
# [07:24] <cgcardona> that sounds cool
# [07:24] <thatryan> LOL
# [07:24] <cgcardona> :p
# [07:24] <thatryan> microsoft > mozilla?
# [07:24] <thatryan> bwahaha
# [07:24] <cgcardona> FF is the new IE after all
# [07:24] <thatryan> indeed
# [07:24] <thatryan> wait...
# [07:24] <thatryan> ;)
# [07:25] * tw2113 takes away cgcardona's developer card for 10 minutes
# [07:25] <cgcardona> dang
# [07:26] <cgcardona> back to being a script kiddie
# [07:26] <tw2113> bahaha
# [07:27] <tw2113> dunno about you two, but Target's store brand makes awesome bread imho
# [07:28] <tw2113> thatryan did you see Chris' presentation for that slideshow of why being a developer right now is awesome?
# [07:28] <thatryan> the video of it? yeah, gonna DL it even to watch again
# [07:29] <thatryan> great talk he is rad
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# [07:29] <tw2113> just checkin
# [07:29] <thatryan> lol
# [07:29] <tw2113> he has awesome humor
# [07:29] <thatryan> although, paul_irish danced a jig at his talk....
# [07:29] <thatryan> HA
# [07:29] <tw2113> i put that video in my dropbox for work tomorrow
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# [07:33] <tw2113> don't tell me when he starts dancing either
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# [07:35] <thatryan> lol
# [07:41] * tw2113 is getting excited for Firefox4
# [07:41] <tw2113> i'm kind of "meh" with chrome, and i think it may be the webkit association which is also tied with macs
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# [07:44] <tw2113> or i may just be a firefox/open source fanboy in general
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# [07:54] <tw2113> eww, i think paul_irish-m is him mobile
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# [07:54] <paul_irish-m> Bingo.
# [07:55] <tw2113> i's smart
# [07:55] <tw2113> or can at least fake it
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# [07:56] <thatryan> mobile IRC? you addict :)
# [07:56] <tw2113> he loves us too much
# [07:56] <thatryan> you out and about in SF Paul?
# [07:57] <paul_irish-m> Bored. Long BART ride
# [07:57] <Evet> how to use html5 canvas in ie 6?
# [07:57] <Evet> without extensions
# [07:57] <paul_irish-m> Flashcanvas
# [07:57] <thatryan> paul_irish-m: what irc client?
# [07:57] <tw2113> stab IE6 in the heart by not allowing it to have canvas
# [07:57] <paul_irish-m> ?g flashcanvas
# [07:57] <bot-t> paul_irish-m, FlashCanvas.net - http://flashcanvas.net/
# [07:58] <paul_irish-m> Colliquy. Costs money. Whatever
# [07:58] <thatryan> money is just money dawg ;) I thought colliquy was free though?
# [07:58] <thatryan> tried it on mac, but moved to Linkinus, hawt
# [07:59] <paul_irish-m> That's nice too
# [07:59] <Evet> what about ample sdk? http://www.amplesdk.com/about/compatibility/
# [07:59] <paul_irish-m> Best feature is the simultaneous chan view
# [07:59] <tw2113> i need to get Sleepytime Gorilla Museum on my work computer
# [07:59] <thatryan> in colliquy?
# [08:00] <paul_irish-m> Evet. Unknown. The creator is fucking smart
# [08:00] <paul_irish-m> But no one uses it
# [08:00] <paul_irish-m> thatryan: In kinkinus
# [08:00] <Evet> paul_irish-m: why no one uses it?
# [08:00] <thatryan> lol guess I should play with some preferences, didnt even know that was there
# [08:00] <paul_irish-m> Dunno
# [08:01] <paul_irish-m> Cmd and click other chans, ryan
# [08:01] <thatryan> OOOOHHHHHH
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# [08:01] <paul_irish-m> Crazy right!!
# [08:01] <thatryan> badass!
# [08:01] <paul_irish-m> S'nice
# [08:01] <thatryan> must be HTML5!
# [08:01] <thatryan> lol
# [08:02] <tw2113> night all
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# [08:03] <thatryan> paul_irish-m: you in SF tonight? freezing out there or what?
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# [08:13] <paul_irish> ITS COLD N SHIT
# [08:14] <thatryan> I bet, its freezing ass here across the bridge
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# [08:15] <paul_irish> where you live?
# [08:16] <thatryan> Concord
# [08:16] <thatryan> ~20 minutes from SF
# [08:22] <antonkovalyov> it is not that freezing in berkeley
# [08:22] <antonkovalyov> sissies ;)
# [08:26] <thatryan> ssshhh ;)
# [08:28] <antonkovalyov> i was actually walking in a tshirt today :)
# [08:28] <antonkovalyov> well walking is overstatement
# [08:28] <antonkovalyov> i went down to a coffee shop
# [08:29] <cgcardona> walkin in shorts tshirt and flip flops today - boom
# [08:30] <antonkovalyov> haha
# [08:30] <antonkovalyov> when i came to this country, i had LA-like image of california in my mind: short, tshirt, flip flops
# [08:30] <antonkovalyov> but then i got to san francisco
# [08:31] <antonkovalyov> and was surprised
# [08:31] <cgcardona> lolz
# [08:31] <antonkovalyov> shorts*
# [08:31] <cgcardona> yea san fran is cold as shit
# [08:31] <antonkovalyov> and fucking fog
# [08:31] <cgcardona> oh yeah
# [08:31] <antonkovalyov> i am so glad there is no fucking fog and wind here in berkeley
# [08:34] <thatryan> antonkovalyov: you are in berkeley?
# [08:34] <antonkovalyov> yeah
# [08:34] <thatryan> local peeps
# [08:34] <thatryan> sweet
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# [09:27] <paul_irish> grant went offline but his shit is trending http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2087417
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# [12:32] <matjas> canâ€™t believe this answer has 12 upvotes: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/69440/what-safari-specific-pure-css-hacks-are-out-there/71750#71750
# [12:41] <Ms2ger> It targets Opera 9?
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# [13:14] <danielfilho> dudes
# [13:14] <danielfilho> I've got a JSONP file
# [13:15] <sean`> hawt
# [13:15] <danielfilho> if I get it locally, all goes right
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# [13:15] <danielfilho> but if I do the get on another http server, it messes all my markup
# [13:15] <danielfilho> i'm using $.ajax()
# [13:16] <danielfilho> I was going to as on #jquery, typed on the wrong chan, but... if someone can help me, I'd appreciate :D
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# [13:36] <danielfilho> sean`:
# [13:36] <danielfilho> now I know what is happening
# [13:36] <danielfilho> the script isn't waiting to the jsonp get completely loaded
# [13:36] <danielfilho> so it starts to render all the DOM things from script.
# [13:36] <danielfilho> I'll have to download the jsonp, instance it and then use on the script.
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# [13:50] <pretopia> I just found out about OpenAppMkt, seems to be a very nice app store targeted at mobile html5 apps: http://www.openappmkt.com/
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# [15:03] <danielfilho> desandro is a godamn motherfucker: http://screenr.com/vIt
# [15:03] <danielfilho> everything he mades is absolutely amazing.
# [15:04] <danielfilho> ops. everything he MAKES
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# [15:53] <tw2113> lawls @ miketaylr's tweet
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# [15:55] <mikesusz> idea: caniuse mashup with google analytics.
# [15:55] <mikesusz> can *I* use.
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# [16:14] <boaz> mikesusz: !!!
# [16:14] <mikesusz> boaz! hi
# [16:15] <boaz> html5!
# [16:15] <mikesusz> it hasn't been that long since i've seen you
# [16:15] <boaz> 8D
# [16:15] <boaz> ^ those are wide eyes, for seeing you
# [16:15] <tw2113> you high?
# [16:15] <tw2113> :P jk
# [16:15] <tw2113> don't hurt me, i'm fragile
# [16:16] <mikesusz> ah, yes. :) everything i do going forward is html5. yay!
# [16:16] <boaz> I'm high on HTML%!
# [16:16] <boaz> 5
# [16:16] <boaz> hahahah
# [16:16] <mikesusz> and me & joel are working on that html5 boilerplate wordpress scss new jack city stuff
# [16:16] <boaz> oooohhhhhhhh
# [16:16] <boaz> SNAP
# [16:16] <boaz> HTML%
# [16:16] <boaz> 5
# [16:17] <boaz> sorry, I' just get really excited about html5
# [16:17] <mikesusz> me too. us old schoolers like this a lot.
# [16:17] <boaz> bot-t: you're in here?
# [16:17] <bot-t> boaz, It is decidedly so.
# [16:17] <mikesusz> it's kinda what the web is supposed to me
# [16:17] <boaz> ?boaz
# [16:17] <bot-t> Another word for badass.
# [16:17] <boaz> :D
# [16:17] <mikesusz> s/me/be
# [16:17] <boaz> bot-t: Awesome!
# [16:17] <bot-t> boaz, The Most Awesome Image Slider with jQuery and CSS3 | jQuery Plugins - * 9 unique transition effects * Simple clean & valid markup * Loads of settings to tweak * Built in directional and control navigation * Packed version only weighs 7kb * Supports linking images * K... http://plugins.jquery.com/project/Awesome-Image-Slider
# [16:17] <boaz> :p
# [16:18] <boaz> ?html5
# [16:18] <bot-t> did you mean css3?
# [16:18] <boaz> jhzahahah
# [16:18] <boaz> hahahaha
# [16:18] <boaz> bot-t: You're hilarious
# [16:18] <bot-t> boaz, Is that a question?
# [16:18] <tw2113> http://css-tricks.com/moving-highlight/
# [16:18] <mikesusz> heh i would say to nearly everyone who says it (Apple included) "html5" means "web3.0"
# [16:19] * boaz nods
# [16:20] <mikesusz> biggest frustration right now = targeting page header and footer uniquely using backward-compatible css
# [16:20] <mikesusz> attribute or adjacent selector not backward
# [16:20] <tw2113> i just add classes to them
# [16:21] <mikesusz> tw2113 - i'm very rapidly approaching that point
# [16:21] <tw2113> like my site headers tend to be <header class="mast">
# [16:21] <mikesusz> was hoping not to 'punt'
# [16:21] <tw2113> and <footer class="site">
# [16:22] <tw2113> keeps the semantics and adds a hook to use
# [16:22] <mikesusz> tw2113 - yeah. i'm a purist but not a purist who wants to torture himself duplicating code
# [16:23] <tw2113> well you could do yourself worse "fuck those tags, give me a table!"
# [16:23] <mikesusz> i was the table master in the 90's. :)
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# [16:24] <mikesusz> when the working group has to carve everything into stone tablets, you learn to hack what you've got
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# [16:24] <tw2113> are you the keymaster?
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# [16:38] <tw2113> this is a very scary image http://www.instantshift.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/bhonb-03.jpg
# [16:38] <grantg> :/
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# [16:54] <grantg> tw2113: Somebody already made a fork of my emu
# [16:54] <grantg> Really just they removed the server-side php
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# [16:54] <tw2113> cool
# [16:55] <grantg> But this person already put out a youtube video of them using my emu straight in google chrome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDYxB4LZgng
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# [16:56] <grantg> html5 rocks. :D
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# [16:58] <grantg> paul_irish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDYxB4LZgng
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# [17:04] <tw2113> paul dances like he's white
# [17:04] <tw2113> .......oh wait
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# [17:06] <grantg> ...
# [17:07] <paul_irish> grantg: you saw your shit blew up on hacker news?
# [17:07] <grantg> where?
# [17:08] <tw2113> i'm watching a presentation of his on html5 and how we can use it now
# [17:08] <skyler_brungardt> link?
# [17:08] <paul_irish> grantg: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2087417
# [17:08] <paul_irish> tw2113: from where
# [17:09] <skyler_brungardt> Thanks
# [17:09] <tw2113> http://fronteers.nl/congres/2010/sessions/the-state-of-html5-inaugural-address-paul-irish
# [17:09] <tw2113> i think i've seen it before, but oh well
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# [17:11] <paul_irish> ah
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# [17:13] <grantg> you can hear how buggy google chrome is with the data uri audio stream in the youtube video.
# [17:13] <grantg> :/
# [17:14] <grantg> like as if chrome is trying to double buffer.
# [17:14] <tw2113> i find that with roms, i'm not a fan of playing them with keyboard
# [17:14] <tw2113> i have an old gamepad type thing that i would always hook up. not sure if that would allow for such use
# [17:15] <skyler_brungardt> Probably take some kind of custom driver config
# [17:15] <grantg> heh
# [17:15] <skyler_brungardt> Writing some funky js code to map to cross-platform inputs
# [17:15] <skyler_brungardt> *headdesk*
# [17:15] <grantg> make sure you map your joypad to the keyboard correctly
# [17:16] <skyler_brungardt> Yeah, leave it in the OS' camp
# [17:16] <grantg> The keycode map is in settings[3] in here - https://github.com/grantgalitz/GameBoy-Online/blob/master/js/GameBoyIO.js
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# [17:24] <cheilmann> god I hate browser differences
# [17:24] <tw2113> any example for us today chris?
# [17:24] <grantg> Then you'll hate how only firefox 4 can do the audio perfectly.
# [17:24] <cheilmann> http://isithackday.com/mit/transforming-video.html
# [17:25] <cheilmann> just working on an audio/video lecture for MIT on Thursday
# [17:25] <cheilmann> totally forgot about that trip :)
# [17:26] <grantg> lol
# [17:26] <grantg> " 2 points by mcs 4 hours ago | link I just relived the first good bit of Pokemon Red in my browser. At nearly 100% of a core, but still. Mad props."
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# [17:27] <tw2113> noice one!
# [17:27] <tw2113> helvetica use too
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# [17:28] <cheilmann> yeah wanted to pretend I know stuff about design :)
# [17:28] <tw2113> what? no video controls?
# [17:28] <tw2113> helvetica is awesome for faking design knowledge
# [17:28] <cheilmann> play/pause is enough for everyboy
# [17:28] <tw2113> it doesn't contrast enough
# [17:28] <grantg> Why do you try to do 3d in CSS?
# [17:28] <grantg> Why not in webgl?
# [17:28] <tw2113> i may be near blind!
# [17:29] <cheilmann> real men go to firebug and set the currentTime by hand
# [17:29] <cheilmann> 3d?
# [17:29] <cheilmann> there is no 3D
# [17:29] * tw2113 knows why cheilmann doesn't bother with good looking setups...he provides possible work for the designer type, or anyone that gives a damn
# [17:29] <grantg> transforms'
# [17:30] <grantg> the rotating, etc.
# [17:30] <grantg> can be done in webgl
# [17:30] <tw2113> just out of shear boredom, i should save that whole page and style it
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# [17:31] <tw2113> see how much of it i don't break :D
# [17:31] <cheilmann> yeah or you could use CSS and don't need to be a WOAH developer to do it
# [17:31] <cheilmann> you can also do it in open GL or COCOA
# [17:32] <tw2113> that's felix the cat, right?
# [17:32] <grantg> WebGL can be done in chrome and firefox 4 at least.
# [17:32] <cheilmann> short answer - I haven't played with WebGL yet - but a lot with CSS/JS
# [17:32] <cheilmann> grant, yes, and paul did some kick-ass stuff with it.
# [17:32] <grantg> webgl is serious opengl in js
# [17:32] <grantg> yup
# [17:33] <cheilmann> Personally I never got into even 3D gaming
# [17:33] <tw2113> too busy being awesome?
# [17:33] <cheilmann> give me 2D platformers and I am happy
# [17:34] <cheilmann> now to link the rotation to tilting the laptop
# [17:34] <grantg> Why the hell are people using GIT to store books now?
# [17:34] <grantg> https://github.com/ptwobrussell/Mining-the-Social-Web
# [17:34] <grantg> ...
# [17:35] <Pewpewarrows> is there a best practices of sorts for your json response of an ajax call with regards to error codes and messages? I know facebook always sends an error, errorMessage, and payload key/value pairs for each of theirs.
# [17:35] <Pewpewarrows> grantg: why wouldn't you put a book in a vcs?
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# [17:36] <cheilmann> I put my last book on git
# [17:37] <cheilmann> people translate it there
# [17:37] <cheilmann> easier than tracking DOCs
# [17:37] <miketaylr> ^^ +1
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# [17:39] <Ms2ger> Pff, real men use hg for their books, like mpilgrim
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# [17:40] <tw2113> cheilmann, do you do a lot of casual interviews at all?
# [17:41] <cheilmann> casual?
# [17:41] <cheilmann> you mean without clothes?
# [17:41] <tw2113> like, not completely specific to a certain topic
# [17:41] <tw2113> a mixture of specific and general questions
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# [17:44] <tw2113> the reason i ask is because i've done a long series of interviews with various people I know on twitter and in my fields, and was kind of interested in getting more of a developer type
# [17:44] <tw2113> most of them have been designers
# [17:44] <cheilmann> well, for the html5 thing I am very focused
# [17:44] <tw2113> it'd be 15 questions max
# [17:45] <cheilmann> I used to be a radio journalist
# [17:45] <cheilmann> so around 1995 I did about 10 a day :)
# [17:45] <cheilmann> not in English though
# [17:46] <tw2113> mostly i think i'm just gauging interest in participating. I would get in contact with you once I got the questions thought up. I wouldn't go very deep in scope
# [17:46] <tw2113> they'd be something you could answer during a flight
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# [17:48] <tw2113> if needed, i can provide examples of previous ones :)
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# [17:55] <cheilmann> sure
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# [17:55] <tw2113> sure you'll participate? cool
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# [17:56] <danielfilho> sean`: just fixed that bug :D
# [17:56] <sean`> nice
# [17:57] <danielfilho> it was a stupid function call outside the scope.
# [17:57] <tw2113> i have one going live soon and another one lined up after that, so it'll probably be a few weeks or so chris
# [17:57] <tw2113> if not a bit more
# [17:57] <danielfilho> outside the success from $.ajax()
# [17:57] <tw2113> but i like to line them up ahead of time
# [18:01] <paul_irish> ?eval document.doctype
# [18:01] <bot-t> paul_irish: ReferenceError: document is not defined
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# [18:01] <paul_irish> tw2113: the above works ... in some/all browsers.
# [18:02] <tw2113> with JS?
# [18:04] <rolson> anyone use head.js?
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# [18:07] <Pewpewarrows> thatryan: I've played around with it, why?
# [18:07] <thatryan> Pewpewarrows: No specific reason, was just curious I just was reading about it
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# [18:08] <paul_irish> thatryan: it was incompatible with opera until today
# [18:08] <paul_irish> right now he's serving the full html5shiv to IE without a feature detect.. so ie9 gets it too
# [18:09] <thatryan> that seems odd...
# [18:09] <Pewpewarrows> as paul_irish said in the past, it's pretty untested compared to all the existing alternatives, and doesn't really do anything extra
# [18:09] <cheilmann> in some/all browsers is awesome
# [18:09] <thatryan> gotcha
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# [18:10] <paul_irish> thatryan: modernizr is baking in yepnope pretty soon so you get the benefit of stability along with head's main value prop
# [18:11] <felcom> ooo nice
# [18:11] <felcom> when is that going down?
# [18:12] <paul_irish> codepo8: you on a phone call right now? i'll be joinin you in.. 2 minutes :)
# [18:12] <paul_irish> slow shuttle! :(
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# [18:12] <codepo8> err what?
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# [18:16] <paul_irish> codepo8: ah there you are. :)
# [18:16] <bot-t> (3 mins 40 secs ago) <nimbupani> tell paul_irish I WONT LET YOU DESTROY MY VERTICAL RHYTHM
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# [18:22] <thatryan> paul_irish: you are working on that now? sweet
# [18:22] <thatryan> yepnope was mr sexton right?
# [18:22] <paul_irish> yes
# [18:23] <thatryan> sweet
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# [19:03] <Michael> paul_irish, Is CF totally transparent?
# [19:04] <Michael> I installed it but don't see any references to it in IE8
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# [19:07] <paul_irish> Michael: go to html5boilerplate.com and then rightclick
# [19:07] <paul_irish> context menu should change
# [19:08] <Michael> aha yes it does
# [19:08] <Michael> So are not all sites using CF?
# [19:08] <Michael> Or do I need to trigger some compatibility mode
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# [19:10] <paul_irish> you trigger CF with the meta tag or the header
# [19:13] <Michael> I sees
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# [19:23] <tw2113> ah crap, i got nominated for a "socie" which is an awards thing set up by the local marketers and social media fans
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# [19:28] <paul_irish> ouch. burn..
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# [19:30] <mduncan> thinking of going to An Event Apart in boston this year but already went last year. Anyone have a sense if that conference shakes things up enough each year to make it worth back to back visits?
# [19:30] <nimbupani> mduncan: i would think it would be a waste.
# [19:31] <paul_irish> mduncan: if you look at the agenda for this year you will see a very good similarity to what was done in 2010
# [19:31] <mduncan> thats what I was thinking, was great html5 / css3 last year, but a good 70% of presenenters seem the same
# [19:33] <mduncan> any recommends for other similar styled conferences (frond end development)? I have to put in now through my company for this year. SXSW worth it or a lot of pie in the sky startup stuff?
# [19:36] <Michael> paul_irish, It doesn't seem like CF loads if the rendering engine is set to IE8
# [19:37] <paul_irish> that makes sense.
# [19:37] <paul_irish> mduncan: good question
# [19:38] <paul_irish> sxsw kinda sucks for web designers/developers imho
# [19:38] <paul_irish> lots of javascript confs lately
# [19:38] <Michael> howso?
# [19:38] <Michael> We know that the site renders well in IE8, and Chrome
# [19:38] <paul_irish> not much in the middle range of design/dev/html5/css3
# [19:38] <Michael> BUt not IE9 and CF
# [19:38] <paul_irish> Michael: if you set the rendering engine to ie8, you want it to be ie8 and not CF
# [19:38] <Michael> Like if it uses CF, great. Otherwise we know that IE8 works
# [19:38] <Michael> I was just assuming it was possible because you can do IE=Edge;chrome=1
# [19:39] <Michael> so I figured IE8;chrome=1 would work
# [19:39] <paul_irish> ah hm
# [19:39] <paul_irish> so you want to use CF if installed.. IE8 if not... and fuck ie9?
# [19:39] <paul_irish> and that wont work?
# [19:39] <Michael> Yes
# [19:40] <paul_irish> seems like a problem
# [19:40] <Michael> No, but maybe it's a beta issue
# [19:40] <Michael> cool I'll let joshia know
# [19:40] <Michael> joshi
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# [20:06] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, can i somehow sniff that chrome frame is installed without using your hosted library?
# [20:06] <paul_irish> yes the UA is augmented
# [20:06] <antonkovalyov> oh cool
# [20:06] <paul_irish> ?g chrome frame developers guide
# [20:06] <bot-t> paul_irish, Chrome Frame: Developer Guide - The Chromium Projects - http://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/chrome-frame-getting-started
# [20:07] <Michael> Why NOT use Modernizr.
# [20:07] <antonkovalyov> oh, so CFInstall is just to prompt users to install CF, right?
# [20:07] <paul_irish> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; InfoPath.2; .NET CLR 3.0.30729) chromeframe/5.0.342.0
# [20:07] <antonkovalyov> Michael, for CF or was it a some kind of topic? :)
# [20:08] <paul_irish> yes that's correct, anton
# [20:08] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, cool thanks
# [20:09] <Michael> navigator.userAgent.test(/chromeframe/)
# [20:09] <Michael> er
# [20:09] <Michael> backwards.
# [20:09] <Michael> /chromeframe/.test(navigator.userAgent)
# [20:10] <paul_irish> mmhmm!
# [20:10] <paul_irish> dunno how neccessary sniffing that is, but.. it's there.
# [20:10] <Michael> See my JS skills are beast yo.
# [20:16] <Michael> Uh oh. The one flash movie is running painstakingly slow in CF
# [20:16] <Michael> I expected the opposite
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# [20:23] <mikesusz> wow there's a lot of interesting (terrible) disparity in linear gradients, angles, stops, etc. between vendor implementations
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# [20:28] <paul_irish> http://twitter.com/#!/opera/status/24545134645346304
# [20:28] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/hf3Ax6 @opera -- So... How are we supposed to interpret this? Anyone? http://i.imgur.com/Mx2xA.jpg
# [20:29] <paul_irish> mikesusz: safari nightly has the new spec implemented
# [20:30] <mikesusz> paul_irish - interesting. like without the prefix? or more like the moz implementation?
# [20:30] <mikesusz> or both i guess
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# [20:31] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, what do those ad say?
# [20:31] <antonkovalyov> ads*
# [20:31] <paul_irish> dunno.
# [20:31] <paul_irish> mikesusz: prefixed, but like the moz/w3c version
# [20:32] <Michael> mikesusz, agreed
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# [20:34] <mikesusz> paul_irish - so when released i should update the -webkit spec one with the syntax from the -moz and unprefixed one?
# [20:35] <paul_irish> afaik it uses a diff property name so the back compat story is fine
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# [20:35] <mikesusz> cool cool. now to figure out the syntax for filter: heh
# [20:36] <mikesusz> (i'm doing stops at percentages so it's not just 100% gradient)
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# [20:42] <karbassi> where do i get this 'Brazilian' paul_irish speaks of.
# [20:42] <paul_irish> lol
# [20:42] <paul_irish> danielfilho dug one of your pictures..
# [20:42] * paul_irish finds
# [20:42] <paul_irish> http://www.flickr.com/photos/karbassi/3062337437/in/faves-paul_irish/lightbox/
# [20:43] <paul_irish> i trumped all his freckle images with that one.
# [20:43] <Moo--> hahaha
# [20:43] <Moo--> that opera link
# [20:43] <Moo--> it is paris, right?
# [20:43] <karbassi> lol
# [20:44] <danielfilho> what?
# [20:44] <danielfilho> oh yeah. me.
# [20:44] <danielfilho> :D
# [20:44] <paul_irish> Moo--: yah
# [20:46] <antonkovalyov> i translated with google translate
# [20:46] <danielfilho> karbassi: actually paul_irish was trying to sell himself as a "guy with freckles". But I had to tear his heart apart when I told him I don't like boys. </troll>
# [20:46] <antonkovalyov> it says something about getting tickets without waiting for tabs to load
# [20:47] <paul_irish> aaaah
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# [20:47] <karbassi> who can't like paul_irish. he's a sexy man.
# [20:48] <danielfilho> stop boosting his ego. as if ALL these ppl who come here and say: OMG! IS THIS THE REAL PAUL IRISH? :-O
# [20:48] <danielfilho> hahaha :D
# [20:49] <danielfilho> but ok. he deserves it.
# [20:49] <paul_irish> my ego is SO HUGE guys.. you're not even cool enough for me to tell you how huge it is.
# [20:51] <danielfilho> hahahaha, I was kidding, paul_irish. =*
# [20:51] <paul_irish> ;)
# [20:51] <danielfilho> will buy you some unicorn meat, ok?
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# [20:52] <danielfilho> what really matters now is that I'm, once again, friend of JSONP.
# [20:52] <danielfilho> :D
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# [21:10] <antonkovalyov> who is paul irish?
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# [21:11] <danielfilho> antonkovalyov: he's a stripper.
# [21:11] <karbassi> paul_irish: is paul irish.
# [21:11] <danielfilho> but he also codes.
# [21:11] <danielfilho> he's a asp developer. the best one.
# [21:11] <paul_irish> https://twitter.com/#!/ChromiumDev/status/24557992473006080
# [21:11] <twitterhapy> http://bit.ly/frppm2 @ChromiumDev -- Curious why we're at Chrome 10? Details on Chrome's super-quick release cycle: http://goo.gl/5xRxr ^pi
# [21:12] <antonkovalyov> danielfilho: i am on the wrong channel then :)
# [21:12] <danielfilho> antonkovalyov: I'm kidding. he's a fuckin' javascript genius.
# [21:13] <antonkovalyov> i am kidding as well, i know who paul is :)
# [21:13] <danielfilho> damn.
# [21:13] <paul_irish> we drank beers.
# [21:13] <thatryan> who is paul
# [21:13] <thatryan> some dude
# [21:13] <paul_irish> some dude you took pictures of.
# [21:13] <danielfilho> oh Paul. you think you do. wait 'til you meet me. :D
# [21:14] <paul_irish> danielfilho: beers and femme freckle spotting!
# [21:14] <paul_irish> i'm ready.
# [21:14] <antonkovalyov> haha
# [21:14] <danielfilho> oh my. OH MY.
# [21:14] <thatryan> wow i need to be in SF more ha
# [21:14] <danielfilho> now we're talking.
# [21:17] <skyler_brungardt> SF = all kinds of awesome
# [21:17] <skyler_brungardt> best. city. evar.
# [21:18] <danielfilho> last year, september, I almost move to Palo Alto.
# [21:18] <danielfilho> work at imo.im
# [21:19] <danielfilho> but I'll never understand the US companies recruitment.
# [21:19] <danielfilho> was all set, and then an email telling that will keep for other day.
# [21:21] <antonkovalyov> danielfilho, if the company is big they probably just canceled some project. my friend interviewed, then got email saying that they are all set, then got email saying "sorry we canceled that team/project" and month later got another email saying "sorry, we changed our mind, project is on again"
# [21:21] <antonkovalyov> that was vmware :)
# [21:21] <skyler_brungardt> Yeah, that's always a PITA.
# [21:22] <danielfilho> anyway, it's expensive to bring someone outside US to work there. there's the sponsored visa papers and credit things.
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# [21:22] <antonkovalyov> danielfilho, i know, i am on h1b :)
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# [21:24] <danielfilho> :D
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# [21:24] <danielfilho> someday, who knows.
# [21:25] <danielfilho> I've never been on US before.
# [21:25] <antonkovalyov> its okay :)
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# [21:25] <danielfilho> will try to attend some conf this year and, next year, I want to take my vacations at NYC and San Fran
# [21:26] <danielfilho> wanna make the course in a Corvette '71.
# [21:26] <danielfilho> :D
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# [21:48] <davidmurdoch_> someone show me something awesome.
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# [21:50] <davidmurdoch_> omeone show me something awesome, please.
# [21:51] <skyler_brungardt> sudo someone show me something awesome
# [21:51] <davidmurdoch_> hahaaha
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# [21:53] <davidmurdoch_> Windows Vista: "cmd", Right Click, Run as Administrator, Confirm UAC prompt, "someone show me something awesome"
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# [22:04] <Pewpewarrows> from a client:
# [22:05] <Pewpewarrows> "We have recently become aware that our template uses CSS coding, which is newer and provides clean and shorter coding compared to HTML. This makes me wonder why we are using HTML and if that is the reason why we have encountered issues of inconsistency throughout the website."
# [22:06] <davidmurdoch_> lol. awesome.
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# [22:09] <antonkovalyov> go damn
# [22:09] <antonkovalyov> god*
# [22:09] <antonkovalyov> i got bruce lawson's html5 book
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# [22:10] <antonkovalyov> and i can't forget that damn photo now
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# [22:12] <mokush> any of you guys know any cms good for a real-estate website?
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# [22:15] <davidmurdoch_> contao isn't too bad of a CMS.
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# [22:18] <paul_irish> mikew3c: how do you do this nick over here and a separate one in whatwg ?
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# [22:19] <paul_irish> alrra: do you need the text of the github message you sent me?
# [22:19] <paul_irish> for the w3fools patches?
# [22:21] <alrra> paul_irish: if you didn`t add those already, yea :)
# [22:22] <mokush> paul_irish: w3fools? wtf? :))
# [22:22] <alrra> mokush: https://github.com/paulirish/w3fools
# [22:26] <mokush> alrra: killer. somebody should just catch those guys and kick their arse
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# [22:27] <92AAB4LZ6> wahey - found this channel eventually.
# [22:27] <92AAB4LZ6> wtf..
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# [22:27] <sean`> lol
# [22:27] <dr4g> i seen somewhere showing you can have a <a> hyperlink around any HTML element now
# [22:28] <sean`> yup
# [22:28] <dr4g> well i wrapped it around a <li> but and i get the cursor:pointer effect, but it doesn't go anywhere? :/
# [22:28] <sean`> ?g w3.org html5 difff html4
# [22:28] <bot-t> sean`, HTML5 differences from HTML4 - http://www.w3.org/TR/html5-diff/
# [22:28] <dr4g> i'm trying to get it so when you click the arrow it will download it too - http://docs.php.net/
# [22:28] <dr4g> at the moment it's a background image on the <li> so i want to make the whole <li> clickable
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# [22:31] <dr4g> help? :)
# [22:31] <paul_irish> alrra: can you add them? plzzzz
# [22:31] <dr4g> hey paul
# [22:31] <paul_irish> sup paul
# [22:31] <dr4g> trying to use <a> as a container for an element in html5
# [22:31] <sean`> dr4g, coadz?
# [22:31] <dr4g> <a href="" title="">... <li> .. </li> .. </a>
# [22:31] <sean`> shud work
# [22:31] <dr4g> but it doesn't go anywhere when i click on it
# [22:32] <dr4g> view-source:http://docs.php.net/
# [22:32] <dr4g> line #80
# [22:32] <dr4g> i put the <a> around that
# [22:32] <alrra> paul_irish: send thouse back to me + i`m looking for more :)
# [22:32] <paul_irish> alrra: https://gist.github.com/2fb32afd6cf37790218b
# [22:32] <sean`> dr4g, it's not around that
# [22:32] <dr4g> sean`, not in that version, it's a local mod i've made.
# [22:32] <alrra> tnx
# [22:32] <sean`> can you pb?
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# [22:33] <dr4g> heres the mod: http://pastebin.com/BbES2Yfj
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# [22:34] <sean`> dr4g, the link inside it counter act
# [22:34] <sean`> it's kinda weird.. having a ilnk and inner links
# [22:34] <sean`> that's not correct
# [22:35] <Michael> http://z.hubpages.com/u/34615_f520.jpg
# [22:35] <Michael> "I just wanted to say good luck. We're all counting on you"
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# [22:43] <dr4g> sean`, eek
# [22:43] <sean`> dr4g, ?
# [22:43] <dr4g> sean`, i might have to use javascript then.
# [22:43] <dr4g> need the whole area to be clickable
# [22:44] <dr4g> but then you can click the inner links to go to different areas, like the bz2 or the windows download#
# [22:44] <dr4g> eek == you said the inner links are counteracting
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# [22:47] <dr4g> sean`, actually the strangest thing is going on: the current live version is at: http://docs.php.net/
# [22:47] <dr4g> if you hover over the arrow it shows cursor:pointer, but it's not been told to go anywhere
# [22:47] <dr4g> theres no html5 magic on that area, its just a normal <li>
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# [22:52] <Michael> Are you supposed to have inner links inside an a tag?
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# [22:52] <Michael> Seems like that would break event bubbling
# [22:52] <Michael> Or whatever the browser's implementation is called
# [22:54] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, what was the guy from opera devrel on the js pub night?
# [22:54] <antonkovalyov> who*
# [22:54] <paul_irish> miketaylr
# [22:54] <paul_irish> he's here typically.
# [22:54] <antonkovalyov> kthx
# [22:54] <dr4g> Michael, were you talking to me there? i kinda disconnected
# [22:55] <dr4g> i didn't see any replies to me after my last message
# [22:55] <Michael> dr4g, It just seems that nesting links would be bad for event bubbling
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# [22:55] <dr4g> aye, it isn't kicking in
# [22:56] <dr4g> i even tried <li href=""> not sure if that works in HTML5 but it didn't work either
# [22:56] <dr4g> i'm using jQuery for now.
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# [22:56] <dr4g> to hack around :)
# [22:56] <dr4g> <li rel="#somelink">
# [23:00] <Michael> hmm
# [23:01] <paul_irish> jquery SF Conference looks like it'll be 4/16-17
# [23:01] <dr4g> paul_irish, exciting
# [23:01] <Michael> paul_irish, Let me know when tickets go on sale
# [23:02] <paul_irish> Michael: watch the jquery blog or twitter
# [23:02] <Michael> ok
# [23:02] <paul_irish> i am not your personal notification service :)
# [23:02] <Michael> Well then I got confused about our relationship somewhere
# [23:02] <Michael> Are you gonna be presenting?
# [23:03] <Michael> blah I check twitter about as much as I read my emails.
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# [23:07] <paul_irish> Michael: probly
# [23:10] <Michael> Did you see that jQuery isotype thing? Kind of neat: http://screenr.com/vIt
# [23:10] <Michael> isotope
# [23:11] <Michael> 'night all
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# [23:31] <thatryan> paul_irish: are jquery sf tickets on sale yet?
# [23:31] <thatryan> ;)
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# [23:32] <antonkovalyov> poor paul_irish
# [23:32] <paul_irish> what
# [23:32] <antonkovalyov> everybody uses him :)
# [23:32] <paul_irish> thatryan: NO
# [23:32] <paul_irish> NO NO NO NONONO
# [23:32] <thatryan> lol
# [23:32] <paul_irish> date isnt even announced.
# [23:32] <thatryan> GIMME
# [23:32] <paul_irish> i'm just leaking you the information because i'm THAT NICE
# [23:32] <thatryan> yeah you are
# [23:33] <thatryan> appreciate it though, for real
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# [23:33] <thatryan> think mt. view again?
# [23:33] <paul_irish> yes
# [23:34] <thatryan> cool gimme a ride :D
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# [23:45] <antonkovalyov> oh mt view
# [23:45] <antonkovalyov> min two hours from berkeley :)
# [23:45] <antonkovalyov> bart+caltrain
# [23:46] <thatryan> about an hour 30 for me from concord
# [23:46] <antonkovalyov> to mt view?
# [23:46] <antonkovalyov> by bart/caltrain?
# [23:46] <antonkovalyov> no way
# [23:46] <thatryan> by my car
# [23:46] <thatryan> lol
# [23:46] <antonkovalyov> oh
# [23:47] <antonkovalyov> fuck cars :)
# [23:47] <thatryan> HA
# [23:47] <thatryan> i never liked bart
# [23:47] <antonkovalyov> i overslept my dmv appointment
# [23:47] <thatryan> license apt?
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# [23:47] <antonkovalyov> yeah, i have my uzbekistan license and california id
# [23:48] <antonkovalyov> wanted to get ca drivers license
# [23:48] <antonkovalyov> but oh well :)
# [23:48] <thatryan> oh well
# [23:48] <tw2113> woo! FF4b8 doesn't need border radius prefixes
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# [23:54] <paul_irish> antonkovalyov: study the manual first.
# [23:54] <paul_irish> i just barrrrely passed
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# [23:57] <thatryan> paul_irish: really?
# [23:57] <paul_irish> YUP
# [23:57] <thatryan> wait how old are you?
# [23:57] <paul_irish> 28.5
# [23:58] <tw2113> californians can drive?
# [23:58] <thatryan> .5 lol
# [23:58] * tw2113 dodges the /kick
# [23:58] <thatryan> hey shutup ;)
# [23:58] <bckenny> I thought californians have to drive
# [23:58] <tw2113> here i thought they got in the car, pushed the pedal, and if they stayed on the road it was a good day
# [23:59] <paul_irish> tw2113: believe me, the first order of business when i properly get op here is to boot you.
# [23:59] <paul_irish> :)
# [23:59] <tw2113> and if they don't kill anyone, it's a great day
# [23:59] <thatryan> paul_irish: lol BOOT
# [23:59] <antonkovalyov> hahah
# [23:59] <tw2113> /boot?
# [23:59] <antonkovalyov> paul_irish, yeah i got the manual
# [23:59] <antonkovalyov> does not seem too hard :)
# [23:59] <tw2113> sudo boot!
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